Hey Everyone,
Jude 13
Wild waves of the sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars (fig, planets out of their orbits), for whom the thick gloom of the darkness (fig, the gloomy hell) has been reserved into the age ( fig, forever).
Why will some be lost for eternity even though God has the ability to burn away their wickedness? There are people who simply want nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. In spite of the goodness of God, they are determined to pursue their own path apart from God. These are the individuals who will be assigned to eternal darkness.
Look forward to your responses. God bless.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Hey Everyone,
Jude 13
Wild waves of the sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars (fig, planets out of their orbits), for whom the thick gloom of the darkness (fig, the gloomy hell) has been reserved into the age ( fig, forever).
Why will some be lost for eternity even though God has the ability to burn away their wickedness? There are people who simply want nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. In spite of the goodness of God, they are determined to pursue their own path apart from God. These are the individuals who will be assigned to eternal darkness.
Look forward to your responses. God bless.
You commented in another one of your posts that you have to be chosen by God to believe, did you not? It's contradiction then to say that there are some people who just want nothing to do with God, if God not has ordained them to believe. :sigh:
So what I take out of your gospel is that God chooses believers; so then that would mean God also chooses those who don't believe. And those he knows will never believe he punishes for eternity. That is a miserable gospel if that's what your implying is the truth.
People are never truly against God. They are against their personal experiances of religions, or someting traumatic that was done in the name of God, but they cannot be an enemy of something they do not fully understand.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Wild waves of the sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars (fig, planets out of their orbits), for whom the thick gloom of the darkness (fig, the gloomy hell) has been reserved into the age ( fig, forever).
Why will some be lost for eternity even though God has the ability to burn away their wickedness?
Your thread title talks about an age which is not for eternity. You do express the figurative of forever so then that is the key.
It is temporary literally, but it will seem like forever because we will have no way to know how long that period of time is.
No one can be lost for ever literally.
Hey Paul,
No, not at all a contradiction. Read Romans 9: 14-25. Give close attention to versus 19-21.
you said:
People are never truly against God. They are against their personal experiances of religions, or someting traumatic that was done in the name of God, but they cannot be an enemy of something they do not fully understand.
Read Romans 3:9-18. Man has no fear of God. They rebel against Him from the womb. They don't seek Him nor can they without God's sovereign grace.(Jn 6:44)
Ta-da! Here's your answer, sir. :bigGrin:
Jude 1:13 (Young's Literal Translation)Quote13wild waves of a sea, foaming out their own shames; stars going astray, to whom the gloom of the darkness to the age hath been kept.
It obviously only lasts an age. This might not even have to do with "Hell," or rather, Gehenna. (Although, even if it does, it still only lasts for an age.)
How long is an Age?
Actually COG37, that was me, not Paul. Those verses in Romans are very true. But as we stated before, His MERCY ENDURES FOR THE AGES. ALL AGES. This is beginning to get repetitive.
Quote from: Tim B on August 16, 2009, 07:56:29 PM
Ta-da! Here's your answer, sir. :bigGrin:
Jude 1:13 (Young's Literal Translation)
Quote13wild waves of a sea, foaming out their own shames; stars going astray, to whom the gloom of the darkness to the age hath been kept.
It obviously only lasts an age. This might not even have to do with "Hell," or rather, Gehenna. (Although, even if it does, it still only lasts for an age.)
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
How long is an Age?
However long God sees fit. Fire and brimstone are both purifying agents.
Grace and peace to you,
Brandon
Grace and peace to you.
Brandon
IMO it is an determined amount of time by God but unknown to any person but definitely a time with a beginning and an end.
cp
Hi CoG,
What Bible is that you are quoting? I'm really enjoying it.
Also, could you give me your opinion of the Inquisition, where one group of Christians was torturing and killing another group of Christians [and others] for believing what they considered heresy? Do you think that was wrong? And, how might Jesus view that?
God is just, not harsh.
Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Hey Brandon,
However long God sees fit? Just as long as it is not forever, right? lol.
I know you are just one person Chosen and you have taken on many (us on this forum) but your picking and choosing who to respond to says much but I will be patient and see if it is only your limitations that are keeping you from responding.
Again you are furthering the truth of God IMO by your great questions and not so good answers.............well, not so good from my point of view but maybe they are good to someone so keep it up as you may be saving souls my friend.
cp
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
Hey Brandon,
However long God sees fit? Just as long as it is not forever, right? lol.
Eternity is not a period of time. Eternity just is. And you have not responded to my fire and brimstone comment, or how you believe your gospel to be good news. Or how despite what Romans 9 says God's mercy still endures forever. You choose what to respond to. Cp is right, you have taken on many of us outnumbered, and iron does sharpen iron, and in that I thank you for that. But me thinks we will be going in circles, as you are blinded in your doctrine. I once believed as you. And I have the witness of the spirit of being enlightened from that. This is my confession of God as he has been shown to me and others on this board, and it is oh so beautiful. :bigGrin:
Thanks,
Brandon
Good words AS, and may I add Jesus Himself gave a good definition of the word 'eternal' and He even used it in a sentence................
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. jn17.3
No mention of time at all. Hmmmmmmmm. Of course this is just Jesus' interpretation and may not be Chosens as he has his own beliefs of what is sound Scripture and what is not but what can one do?
Pray and be patient. I will try.
cp
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Hey Everyone,
Jude 13
Wild waves of the sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars (fig, planets out of their orbits), for whom the thick gloom of the darkness (fig, the gloomy hell) has been reserved into the age ( fig, forever).
Why will some be lost for eternity even though God has the ability to burn away their wickedness? There are people who simply want nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. In spite of the goodness of God, they are determined to pursue their own path apart from God. These are the individuals who will be assigned to eternal darkness.
Look forward to your responses. God bless.
:cloud9: As long as you persist in having zeal without knowledge (the knowledge of the Word that is SPIRIT), you are continuing to regurgitate only lifeless letter, no different than the Pharisees who trusted in the letter but whose tables of the heart (out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks) were full of vomit.
You would do well to apply yourself to studying the pattern of Tabernacle which Hebrews 10 tells us is the pattern of HEAVENLY or spiritual things.
So going with that understanding, the wild waves of the sea speak of the outer court realm, the sea of humanity waters below the firmament, who are of the all men that have been given a measure of faith (spark) to receive Him.
The wandering stars are those of the inner court realm of the spiritual priesthood, the firmament in pattern, who have not looked to the true Shepherd of the soul, ie. the Spirit of Truth who will lead them into all truth, but have set up IDOLS OF MEN over them as 'lights' to look to for direction in the nighttime of their souls, while awaiting the Daystar to arise in their hearts.
One has a spark, one has a flame (tongues of fire given on the day of Pentecost), but because neither has pressed in to be called of Father who is a CONSUMING FIRE, both are left in the relative darkness (Hebrew thought of that word darkness is ignorance) awaiting the judgment of the things of flesh that kept them in bondage, no different than the 3 Hebrew children's bands that were consumed by the FIRE leaving them untouched, each man in his own order.
Note it is MEN and not God who cast them into the fire. But what the enemy meant for evil, God meant for good. Blessings...
Quote from: aspiring son on August 16, 2009, 08:33:08 PM
And I have the witness of the spirit of being enlightened from that. This is my confession of God as he has been shown to me and others on this board, and it is oh so beautiful. :bigGrin:
Thanks,
Brandon
:grouppray:
Yes it is, brother.
Once you have been set free from the prison, once those shackles have been removed...there is no going back. The prison guards may walk by jangling their leg irons... but it has no effect, for
If therefore the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And this is where the true gospel, the revealing of the true good news starts to come alive in your heart. This is where the riches of His love start to flow in your heart like an untamed river. There will be those who will try to build a dam in your heart against it... but it won't work. Their little twigs snap at the rush of His love and overwhelm them. It is futile. Once the veils are taken off of your eyes, once you SEE His extraordinary love for all of His creatures, and His perfect plan...you can't go back into the darkness. There is just far too much light for that to happen.
Oh, how the Love flows in your heart... for all.
Even for the dam builders.
Even for the prison guards.
Even for those trying to turn off the light.
Maybe even "especially" for those...
:HeartThrob:
peace..
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:51:30 PM
Hey Paul,
No, not at all a contradiction. Read Romans 9: 14-25. Give close attention to versus 19-21.
you said:
People are never truly against God. They are against their personal experiances of religions, or someting traumatic that was done in the name of God, but they cannot be an enemy of something they do not fully understand.
Read Romans 3:9-18. Man has no fear of God. They rebel against Him from the womb. They don't seek Him nor can they without God's sovereign grace.(Jn 6:44)
My point stands based on your own words.
Eternity can never be an age of time and you actually agree with me when it comes to forever being the figurative language of the bible and an age which is temporary.
Man is not against God in the manner in which religion has depicted which is the point of my words.
How do yo know the age is only temporary?
I wrote you a pm where I examined the phrase eis ton aiôna - it doesn't mean to infinity.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 11:00:49 PM
How do yo know the age is only temporary?
Through the context of chastisement which is the intent of correction. If we are to be corrected, then being in darkness is temporary.
Paul,
The context of chastisement you referring to is only for God's born again children.
Hebrews 12: 5-8 "And you have forgotten completely the encouragement which reasons with you as with sons and daughters: My son ( fig, child) stop thinking lightly of the discipline of the Lord, and stop becoming discouraged when being corrected by Him. 6 For whom the lord loves He disciplines, and He scourges ( fig, punishes) every son ( fig, child) whom He Receives.( Prov 3:11-12) 7 It is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you as with sons and daughters; for what son is there whom a father does not discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become sharers then you are illegitimate children and not sons and daughters.
Prove to me the age is temporary.
wrong post. moved it to correct place.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Hey Everyone,
Jude 13
Wild waves of the sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars (fig, planets out of their orbits), for whom the thick gloom of the darkness (fig, the gloomy hell) has been reserved into the age ( fig, forever).
Why will some be lost for eternity even though God has the ability to burn away their wickedness? There are people who simply want nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. In spite of the goodness of God, they are determined to pursue their own path apart from God. These are the individuals who will be assigned to eternal darkness.
Look forward to your responses. God bless.
I was certainly one who wanted to do nothing with the Lord Jesus Christ , i did not want Him to rule over me , i was determined to pursue my own path apart from God,UNTIL ,He apprehended me . O love that will not let me go !!!!!!!!!!!.
I am so glad that God is not tied in His pursut of bringing man back Himself to man breathing his last breath.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 11:30:11 PM
Paul,
The context of chastisement you referring to is only for God's born again children.
Prove to me the age is temporary.
That would be true if God only loves us when we accept him, but that is not true.
1Jn 4:19 We' are loving God, for He' first loves us.
That's the context of Gods love. The proof that the age is temporary is because of the proper context of Gods love.
Paul,
Yes, God is love. Why do you think he loves unbelievers who He calls His enemies?( James 4:4)
Did he love Amalek and all the ites in the OT he ordered the nation of Israel to destroy? I think not.
Read 1 Samuel 15:1-3. 3"Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman and INFANT, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'
Did God love Amalek so much that he order their children to be slaughtered?
I know these scriptures are hard to read and I take no pleasure pointing out how God deals with his enemies. I only do so to show how God does not love every unbeliever in the entire world, only His children.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 02:26:26 AM
I know these scriptures are hard to read and I take no pleasure pointing out how God deals with his enemies. I only do so to show how God does not love every unbeliever in the entire world, only His children.
Jacob I love, Esau I hate. rom9.13
This must be a favorite verse for you Chosen. It must confirm in your heart how much God hates certain people.
All I can say is.... But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
cp
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 02:26:26 AM
Paul,
Yes, God is love. Why do you think he loves unbelievers who He calls His enemies?( James 4:4)
You have to divide Gods character between loving the creation and hating creations corruption.
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Read 1 Samuel 15:1-3. 3"Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman and INFANT, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'
Did God love Amalek so much that he order their children to be slaughtered?
That is because you decide that the literal events is not a spiritual picture.
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I know these scriptures are hard to read and I take no pleasure pointing out how God deals with his enemies. I only do so to show how God does not love every unbeliever in the entire world, only His children.
How we feel about scripture is irrelevant and you are free to believe in that image of God. But extracting words out of scripture to say that God hates in a manner like a man does not hold up. To say God only loves his children contradicts the scripture I posted.
We love God because he loves us first and you as a believer also sin and God does not love your sin just because you can claim to be his child. But his hate for your sin does not carry over to your spirit and who God created you to be.
We all give account for our lives and I have no delusion that I will avoid Gods judgment but I know that when I fall into the hands of the living God it will be for my own good and his glory.
Paul,
Just showing from God's word that He does not love every unbeliever like His agape love for His children.
That is why I believe the age of hell is forever and not temporary. Heaven is forever, why is Hell not forever?
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 03:25:14 AM
Paul,
Just showing from God's word that He does not love every unbeliever like His agape love for His children.
That is why I believe the age of hell is forever and not temporary. Heaven is forever, why is Hell not forever?
Every believer was once an unbeliever. Since God is not a respector of persons what you say does not hold up to scripture.
Just showing from Gods word that Heaven as we might traditionally been taught is questionable.
Re 21:1 . And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Paul,
God chose his elect before there was time.( Eph 1:3-5; 2 Thess 2:13-14) Yes, we all were born unbelievers but by God's sovereign grace He soveriegnly chose me, drew me, and granted me the repentance and faith to believe on Jesus to be regenerated.( Jn 6:44 ; Acts 11:18 ; Phil 1:29) I give God all the glory for my salvation!
God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to His elect.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 03:47:48 AM
Paul,
God chose his elect before there was time.( Eph 1:3-5; 2 Thess 2:13-14) Yes, we all were born unbelievers but by God's sovereign grace He soveriegnly chose me, drew me, and granted me the repentance and faith to believe on Jesus to be regenerated.( Jn 6:44 ; Acts 11:18 ; Phil 1:29) I give God all the glory for my salvation!
God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to His elect.
CoG, if what you say is correct, and [only a few elect] were chosen in him before there was time, and the rest are not chosen, then what is the problem? Either one is chosen or not, according to you, and if you are not, there's not much anyone can do about it.
So why can't we all relax about it? What else is there to say? Haven't you just reached the end of the discussion?
And, if some who might not really be chosen, according to you, still want to profess their love for him, what of it?
Job 13:15
Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him...
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 03:47:48 AM
Paul,
God chose his elect before there was time.( Eph 1:3-5; 2 Thess 2:13-14) Yes, we all were born unbelievers but by God's sovereign grace He soveriegnly chose me, drew me, and granted me the repentance and faith to believe on Jesus to be regenerated.( Jn 6:44 ; Acts 11:18 ; Phil 1:29) I give God all the glory for my salvation!
God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to His elect.
Well it is a simple matter that you accept that interpretation but some words you use here are not in scripture.
Ro 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Ro 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Ro 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
You have added words to romans 2:11, I am under no scriptural obligation to consider what you say, just because you say it, with my studies.
That verse does not in any way say "When it comes to his elect"
Jn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
It is about the elect have a different purpose than the non elect.
Quote from: PaulIt is about the elect have a different purpose than the non elect.
Yes, I believe that, too.
The firstfruits are the beginning of the crop, not the end.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Cor 15
Quote from: Molly on August 17, 2009, 04:34:31 AM
Quote from: PaulIt is about the elect have a different purpose than the non elect.
Yes, I believe that, too.
The firstfruits are the beginning of the crop, not the end.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor 15
I believe I agree with this.
The larger problem with the "Only the Elect go to heaven" beliefs no matter how they are formed in scripture is that those who claim they are the elect cannot actually in reality be assured that they are.
They only assert the elect doctrine from a position of claiming they are the elect when in reality they could be deceived and only being used by God to bring the real elect to him.
I know I'm one of God's elect children because His Spirit testifies to mine by which I cry out "Abba Father" ( my daddy or papa)( Romans 8:15-16) Glory to God!! Praise His holy name forever. Thank you Lord for choosing me to be your son!
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 04:54:44 AM
I know I'm one of God's elect children because His Spirit testifies to mine by which I cry out "Abba Father" ( my daddy or papa)( Romans 8:15-16) Glory to God!! Praise His holy name forever. Thank you Lord for choosing me to be your son!
Yes.
Amen!
But, there are those who are asleep and dead in Christ.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 04:54:44 AM
I know I'm one of God's elect children because His Spirit testifies to mine by which I cry out "Abba Father" ( my daddy or papa)( Romans 8:15-16) Glory to God!! Praise His holy name forever. Thank you Lord for choosing me to be your son!
I thank God every day.
Praise His Holy name Forever!!! not just for a temporary age, Paul. Forever!!! LOL.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 05:01:31 AM
Praise His Holy name Forever!!! not just for a temporary age, Paul. Forever!!! LOL.
I'll praise his name in this life and the next and in the new heaven or earth where ever I will be.
No offense to anyone on this forum, but I like your Paul Hazelwood the best. lol. I have enjoyed our discussions. Even though I disagree with his interpretation of most scripture... your a straight shooter.. Unlike some people on this forum who just want to waste time with empty rhetoric..but not you Paul,God bless ya.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 03:25:14 AM
Paul,
Just showing from God's word that He does not love every unbeliever like His agape love for His children.
That is why I believe the age of hell is forever and not temporary. Heaven is forever, why is Hell not forever?
I believe both are forever, for they are both from him. By "hell" I am of course not referring to the English word, nor the understanding most have, but the biblical lake of fire that issues forth from him to consume anything not of him, and purify everything of Him.
Ron
Ron,
Are you an annihilationist?
I used to be most of my life, as a former member of the Worldwide Church of God, and Jehovah's Witness, but no, not anymore.
Ron
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 05:01:31 AM
Praise His Holy name Forever!!! not just for a temporary age, Paul. Forever!!! LOL.
If he is God of the ages, surely if we are with him in one age, we shall be with him in all ages, even into eternity.
You will keep in perfect peace
The one stayed upon You,
Because he trusts in You.
Trust in the LORD forever,
For Yah, the LORD,
Is the Rock of Ages.
Isaiah 26:3-4
Quote from: Molly on August 17, 2009, 04:05:42 AM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 03:47:48 AM
Paul,
God chose his elect before there was time.( Eph 1:3-5; 2 Thess 2:13-14) Yes, we all were born unbelievers but by God's sovereign grace He soveriegnly chose me, drew me, and granted me the repentance and faith to believe on Jesus to be regenerated.( Jn 6:44 ; Acts 11:18 ; Phil 1:29) I give God all the glory for my salvation!
God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to His elect.
Molly wrote.......
CoG, if what you say is correct, and [only a few elect] were chosen in him before there was time, and the rest are not chosen, then what is the problem? Either one is chosen or not, according to you, and if you are not, there's not much anyone can do about it.
So why can't we all relax about it? What else is there to say? Haven't you just reached the end of the discussion?
And, if some who might not really be chosen, according to you, still want to profess their love for him, what of it?
Job 13:15
Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him...
Molly, I do believe you got Chosen with your post above.
Did He respond to it at all? I didn't see anything.
I dare say he will not show that one to his or her friends.
cp
Molly,
Job was a righteous child of God. Unbelievers do not love or seek after God unless they are sovereignly drawn by grace.( Romans 3: 9-18 ; John 6:44)
Are you Beloved57 in disguise from City Data and theology on line? :mshock:
No sir. No disguise needed. :winkgrin:
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Hey Everyone,
Jude 13
Wild waves of the sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars (fig, planets out of their orbits), for whom the thick gloom of the darkness (fig, the gloomy hell) has been reserved into the age ( fig, forever).
FIRST --
HELL is not mentioned in this verse,
SECOND -- This is not speaking of individuals, it is speaking of THINGS IN individuals...
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PMWhy will some be lost for eternity even though God has the ability to burn away their wickedness?
Where does it say this in this verse CoG? There is NO MENTION of anyone or anything being "LOST"... More additions by YOU... +++++++++++++++++
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PMThere are people who simply want nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. In spite of the goodness of God, they are determined to pursue their own path apart from God. These are the individuals who will be assigned to eternal darkness.
Any ATHIEST can could have written this... are you an ATHIEST, CoG?
This verse doesn't "assign"
anything to "ETERNAL" DARKNESS... AION is a TIME oriented TERM which (time) did not exist in ETERNITY until it was created...
So this "darkness" is NOT "ETERNAL", rather has to do with the realm in which we live, TIME...
Aionios an (indefinite) derivitive of AION appears in
verse 7 -- Sodom & Gomorrah suffering the vengence of "eternal [aionios] fire" -- are these cities STILL BURNING, CoG? :dontknow:
...willieH :icon_jokercolor:
I'm starting to think, ChosenofGod37 that you genuinely, genuinely don't care what the Scriptures actually say, but only about the religion you can put forth and act all red neck about from the KJV abomination that in at least three dozen places totally blasphemes the Blood of Christ.
ChosenofGod is a good name. cog. He or she is only a cog in the great mechanism of life.
cp
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 02:26:26 AM
Read 1 Samuel 15:1-3. 3"Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman and INFANT, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'
Did God love Amalek so much that he order their children to be slaughtered?
How often did He slaughter the children? Once? Or does He keep resurrection them and killing them again?
My point is that a you extrapolate punishment that took short while to punishment that lasts forever (ET hell)
IMO it only shows Gods punishments can be harsh.
Psalm 30:5 His anger lasts only a moment. His favor lasts a lifetime. Weeping may last for the night, but there is a song of joy in the morning.
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
Hey Brandon,
However long God sees fit? Just as long as it is not forever, right? lol.
Well, technically, "forever" (in the modern sense of eternal) would have no beginning as well as no end, so those in "hell" are already in hell and have always been there. Which makes no sense. So it can't be "forever".
Quote from: Doc on August 19, 2009, 01:08:01 AM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
Hey Brandon,
However long God sees fit? Just as long as it is not forever, right? lol.
Well, technically, "forever" (in the modern sense of eternal) would have no beginning as well as no end, so those in "hell" are already in hell and have always been there. Which makes no sense. So it can't be "forever".
I'm seeing this too, Doc. That which has "EVER" existed has ...NO BEGINNING... and ...NO END... and not just ...NO END... because if it had a BEGINNING it has not "EVER" existed like we have not "EVER" existed because we had a Definite BEGINNING. EVER-LASTING is without BEGINNING and without END, FOR-EVER is without BEGINNING and without END and ETERNAL is without BEGINNING and without END but, Believers in EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT don't want to be held to that True Definition of ETERNAL, EVERLASTING AND FOREVER because it would shatter the Falsehood of EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT they've believed. EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT would have NO BEGINNING and NO END and would be EVER-EXISTANT to be True to its meaning yet sinners believed to be condemned to such have not EVER-EXISTED with NO BEGINNING and NO END and so are not even capable of enduring such a Punishment in the First place rendering the thought of it false to begin with.
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 19, 2009, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 02:26:26 AM
Read 1 Samuel 15:1-3. 3"Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman and INFANT, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'
Did God love Amalek so much that he order their children to be slaughtered?
How often did He slaughter the children? Once? Or does He keep resurrection them and killing them again?
My point is that a you extrapolate punishment that took short while to punishment that lasts forever (ET hell)
IMO it only shows Gods punishments can be harsh.
Psalm 30:5 His anger lasts only a moment. His favor lasts a lifetime. Weeping may last for the night, but there is a song of joy in the morning.
:thumbsup: good point , post! :HeartThrob: rose