Dissapointment

[HartleyDamboiseII]

This is a thread chase with a pattern,
I don't believe anyone should be kicked out or shunned, even the hostel
if you care to read all of jesushandsarelovinghands then I Believe in my opinion there is some hidden anger or aggression towards certain people or kinds of people.

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

Just because we believe in universalism for all people, doesnt give us a ticket to preach what is contrary to the Bible.

jesushandsarelovinghands

that above statement was totally uncalled for. UNBIBLICAL according to whom???
baptist, mormans, catholics or maybe YOU.

Sorry for the harshness but it is that type of statement that he was talking about.
I have been a member for years, and no one can say absolutely what is unbiblical.  

Sometimes people on the forums have said VERY unbiblical things.

Someone said earlier that all scripture wasnt God breathed.
The scriptures say all scripture was God breathed.

THAT WAS an unbiblical comment and the person is constanly talking contrary to what is biblical.  

Should it be accepted on a Christian forum?  The debate goes on...

[rosered]

This is a thread chase with a pattern,
I don't believe anyone should be kicked out or shunned, even the hostel
if you care to read all of jesushandsarelovinghands then I Believe in my opinion there is some hidden anger or aggression towards certain people or kinds of people.

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

Just because we believe in universalism for all people, doesnt give us a ticket to preach what is contrary to the Bible.

jesushandsarelovinghands

that above statement was totally uncalled for. UNBIBLICAL according to whom???
baptist, mormans, catholics or maybe YOU.

Sorry for the harshness but it is that type of statement that he was talking about.
I have been a member for years, and no one can say absolutely what is unbiblical.  

Sometimes people on the forums have said VERY unbiblical things.

Someone said earlier that all scripture wasnt God breathed.
The scriptures say all scripture was God breathed.

THAT WAS an unbiblical comment and the person is constanly talking contrary to what is biblical.  

Should it be accepted on a Christian forum?  The debate goes on...

You have a precious heart , you know that Lee !
   :HeartThrob:  thank you stating that ..

   

[HartleyDamboiseII]

I am trying to use the blue quote thing "new" and I lost 50% of the other quotes I had. Will do better next time

[jesushandsarekindhands]

This is a thread chase with a pattern,
I don't believe anyone should be kicked out or shunned, even the hostel
if you care to read all of jesushandsarelovinghands then I Believe in my opinion there is some hidden anger or aggression towards certain people or kinds of people.

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

Just because we believe in universalism for all people, doesnt give us a ticket to preach what is contrary to the Bible.

jesushandsarelovinghands

that above statement was totally uncalled for. UNBIBLICAL according to whom???
baptist, mormans, catholics or maybe YOU.

Sorry for the harshness but it is that type of statement that he was talking about.
I have been a member for years, and no one can say absolutely what is unbiblical.  

Sometimes people on the forums have said VERY unbiblical things.

Someone said earlier that all scripture wasnt God breathed.
The scriptures say all scripture was God breathed.

THAT WAS an unbiblical comment and the person is constanly talking contrary to what is biblical.  

Should it be accepted on a Christian forum?  The debate goes on...

If you are happy that people can come onto the forums and spout unsound and unbiblical spoutings on here, such as -
"The bible is not God breathed", (as one person did) then fine...
...Stand up for them and not for your faith.

To me this is a Christian message board and new agers and mysticists with their idol worship are not welcome.

An idol is making a God to suit yourself, and many on here do just that.

It took seventy years in the Golus (Exile) to teach Jewish people that God would not tolerate idols.

1 John 5
.....And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

If your happy with idol worship in the forums, then fine, but let me have my 'sound biblical opinion' and you have your OWN opinion.

[jesushandsarekindhands]

It was false doctrines, idol worship, bible misunderstandings and people making up a God to suit themselves etc that lead the world to believe that God is a maniac that burns people in a (made up) place called hell forever, and is to be avoided at all costs not just in my opinion but in Gods as well, according to Scripture.

So i hope maybe we can move on now from the new age mystic crap and concentrate on why were here and the reason the website is here in the first place...To better understand GODS word and not brainwash people with their idols.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

The Perfect- (Webster's) example of what not to do to anyone

This is a thread chase with a pattern,
I don't believe anyone should be kicked out or shunned, even the hostel
if you care to read all of jesushandsarelovinghands then I Believe in my opinion there is some hidden anger or aggression towards certain people or kinds of people.

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

Just because we believe in universalism for all people, doesnt give us a ticket to preach what is contrary to the Bible.

jesushandsarelovinghands

that above statement was totally uncalled for. UNBIBLICAL according to whom???
baptist, mormans, catholics or maybe YOU.

Sorry for the harshness but it is that type of statement that he was talking about.
I have been a member for years, and no one can say absolutely what is unbiblical.  

Sometimes people on the forums have said VERY unbiblical things.

Someone said earlier that all scripture wasnt God breathed.
The scriptures say all scripture was God breathed.

THAT WAS an unbiblical comment and the person is constanly talking contrary to what is biblical.  

Should it be accepted on a Christian forum?  The debate goes on...

If you are happy that people can come onto the forums and spout unsound and unbiblical spoutings on here, such as -
"The bible is not God breathed", (as one person did) then fine...
...Stand up for them and not for your faith.

To me this is a Christian message board and new agers and mysticists with their idol worship are not welcome.

An idol is making a God to suit yourself, and many on here do just that.

It took seventy years in the Golus (Exile) to teach Jewish people that God would not tolerate idols.

1 John 5
.....And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

If your happy with idol worship in the forums, then fine, but let me have my 'sound biblical opinion' and you have your OWN opinion.

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You should read this 10 times and you may see were you are slamming me and others that want to believe, I had a friend do this a while back called lee/cog  you really do seem to have his same attitude towards you fellow man or are nonbelievers of no relation to you? They are my brother too. Even all those people in the hell of KJV AND OTHERS . We all are family.

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Just some soft words friends
I'll proceed to show that like Chris's flesh,and indeed like every other revelation which God has made of Himself, the letter of Scripture is a VAIL quite as much as a revelation, hiding while it reveals, and yet revealing while it hides; presenting to the eye something very different from that which is within, even as the veil of the Tabernacle, with its inwoven cherubim, hid the glory within the veil, of which nevertheless it was the witness; and that therefore, as seen by sense, it is and must be apparently inconsistent and self-contradictory. Both these points are important; for if God's revelations of Himself are veils, even while they are also manifestations; and if therefore they are and must be open to the charge of inconsistency and contradiction; this fact will help us to understand, not only why Scripture is what it is, but also how to interpret its varied truths and doctrines and thus help us with todays thread.

God alone of all teacher has had two methods, law and gospel, flesh and Spirit,---one working where we are, the other to bring us in REST where He is,---one to be done away, the other to abide. Which at least looks like inconsistency. The reason is that God is Love, and that in no other way could He ever have reached us where we were, or brought us where He is.

Pg 9, 14 of Restitution of all things. Andrew Jukes



you should read the above and see that we all learn at differant times and seasons, you should not condemn before they have a chance to be revealed to by a supernatural power.

[Taffy]

You left out the first definition which is the one I like the best.  Was there a reason for that?

No reason.

Taff-

If you don't want to continue talking about this then stop. I opened this thread to voice my concearn. People can respond and i can rspond to them.

This is what this thread was for. If you want to talk about something else there are lots of threads.

Ill Talk where I wish Dallas Ty....##and right now its here...


But while the thrashing of so called Mystiscism. conitnues..and if anyone had the time to at least READ a triple posting...then this thread is nearly due to be closed..or shall we all start thrashing that which is literal TOO.....and call it crap...in faCT this THREAD is closed from NOW...I suggest Everyone take time out and if your hearts desire is to thrash whatever..do it privately...NO one here is throwing the Baby out the water..

[martincisneros]

I fully support, and so does Gary, the closing of this thread.  If I remember correctly, Gary loves Origen about as much as I do.  And as to the complaints about inappropriate useage of moderator power or preaching, the reason for moderators is to keep the peace, and all preaching is, is an empassioned declaration of what one holds to as being the truth of Christ's Gospel.  The only problems I've ever seen around here have been when people have tried to push the Sovereignty message to the exclusion of anyone being able to go to the toilet of their own free will, when the Bible indicates we're judged for our deeds rather than for God's, and each one receives of the hand of God according to what one has sown.  There's zero question about a percentage of that coming from God, the Old Testament and the New talking about God allowing strong dellusions to come, the exact wording of a KJV being that He'd send lying spirits and Biblically with reviewing Ezekiel and other portions of the Bible is that it winds up being over coveteousness or some area of double mindedness that He's seeking to purge with a graphic display of "is this what you really want, or are you contending for the faith I've given you and not losing your inheritance from Me?" 

The other problem besides an overly pushy Sovereignty perspective -- and I have no problems with God's Sovereignty and I've learned quite a bit about it this year with my own White Throne Judgment and entering into a New Earth of sorts of my own -- the other problem is with FULL preterism that says that the Bible is absolutely nothing but a history book rather than an ongoing legacy of the Last Adam until the whole world is filled with His glory.  I can accept the full preterism view that you hold to, Dallas, that's 100% a type of mysticism, but not to the exclusion of my own experience with God that involves ongoing prophetic fulfillments, particularly with what's been restored to me this year that's dearer to me than my own life, and not to the exclusion of other areas of prophecy that I personally see both from the Written Word and with my own two eyes are continually being fulfilled to the glory of His Name.

You cannot hold to FULL preterism without FULL mysticism OR believing extra biblical sources take precidence over the ongoing unfolding revelation of Jesus Christ through the Written Word and the Holy Spirit.  Full preterism is very beautiful as an artistic system of Biblical mysticism, but not as a dogma against the current work of Holy Spirit and what must yet come to pass since EVERY SINGLE PROMISE of both destruction and restoration must be fulfilled both in it's allegories (such as is taught by Messianic Christians, Origenists, partial and full preterists, etc.) and to the exact detail of the letter of Scripture -- which again, to believe the exact letter won't be fulfilled, you've got to appeal to extra biblical textual criticisms that have zero baring on the precise wording of Scripture itself with trying to say that that doesn't really mean that or there's some textual variation that has never been believed by the authority of the Church, whether Catholic, Protestant, Charismatic, or Independent.

And yes, I agree that the majority are seldom right about everything, but it's wrong to say that they are wrong about absolutely everything.

And there's a third area where I've detected ongoing perpetual friction that's not edifying besides a hyper Calvinistic UR and FULL preterism trying to insist it's the only way of understanding Scripture, and that's the dispensational fundamentalist, who like the full preterist frequently balks at the idea of any ongoing work of Holy Spirit in the Church and ongoing fulfillments of Scripture that aren't eschatological but simply those "ages to come during which He'd show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness towards us in Christ Jesus" and those ages are the ages that we're in that St. Paul spoke of, and I realize that the full preterist and the Scofield type of Dispensational Premillenialist usually cannot embrace that in the least.

But Gary Amirault is as Charismatic as many others around here and forever on this ministry's discussion boards the move of the Holy Spirit will continue to be encouraged and warmly embraced with a Berean attitude of searching the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone DAILY as to whether or not these things are true.  Gary's only complaints is that we've not seen both enough of an Evangelistic thrust on the part of UR folks and that we've NOT REALLY SEEN ENOUGH of a prayer life on the part of the vast majority of UR folks to see Holy Spirit in operation in confirmation of the victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Gary WANTS the mysticism that you're complaining about, as long as the saints are edified, the strife is avoided at all costs, Holy Spirit is moving, Scripture is honored, and babes in Christ are being birthed both into Christ and into UR ongoingly.

There was much on these boards that I likewise didn't agree with since I came to these boards nearly 10yrs ago, but I had sense enough to simply share what I personally knew, just bring it to the table, let the chips fall where they would, and not try to get into elaborate critiques of everybody else's methods of interpreting Scripture since the Messianic views of Scripture and every other view of Scripture represented on these boards is not unique to UR circles.  I simply resolved with myself and the sincerity and integrity of my heart before God that if something had validity that I didn't understand, my ongoing meditations in the Scripture would eventually uncover it to my own satisfaction completely -- otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it in the least and would keep every care rolled over on God.

What's unique is that we find such loving harmony on the Tentmaker boards and people of SUCH DIVERSITY that are really praying for one another and pulling for one another to make it and to be encouraged in Him and strengthened in their walk with Him.  If it came to it, to preserve the union and blessing of God that's been growing on these boards, then the really strict dispensational fundamentalism (an example being the eschatology of the Concordant Publishing Concern, Martin Zender, and the like), the hyper Sovereignty perspective, and FULL preterism would have been completely banned by me a year and a half ago.  But I've treaded very softly on legislating the beliefs of the boards and prayerfully cultivating a more inviting atmosphere for everyone that'll discuss the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone.

Now that does include previous fulfillments, ongoing fulfillments, futurist perspectives about various matters, the mysticism of the letter of the law such as would be presented by FULL preterists of the variety that try to keep from using extra biblical sources for their beliefs, the Messianics, etc.  I've never had a problem with any of it, unless it went into being abusive and overly chastising of others or unwelcoming of my own views [and most definitely those of others] for consideration as to whether or not the whole of the Scriptures and the witness of Holy Spirit agreed.  Some areas of beliefs can be held to with such rigidity that a 'tude can be perceived that's not really there on the part of diversity from one's own views just simply BECAUSE of the clash with one's own beliefs. 

I mean, when you've got preterists of the partial variety and full variety on the same boards with futurists, Messianics, Word of Faith folks like myself, cessationists who somehow still believe pastors, evangelists, and teachers are relevant, total [supposedly] "consistent" cessationists on the boards, who believe in none of the ministry gifts being ongoing, with folks that believe in ongoing Ephesians 4 five fold ministry of Apostles, Prophets, etc. with the accompanying authority level and signs following, etc., then it's impossible for there not to be the occasional difference of opinion where you've simply got to present your best Biblical case on the matter and move on without "trying to keep it real" in a way that promotes strife, hostility, intolerance, etc.  The Bible says to let all things be done for edification.  Obviously every perspective under the sun can't cohabit in an edifying way for everyone, but a loving, encouraging, enthusiastic, and prayerful tone is always edifying.  So, that's what I always strive for, and what I believe everyone around here whose heart is right is reaching for in themselves in their expectations of themselves, etc.

In closing, my deepest apologies again to anyone whom I've ever offended when I use all caps from time to time 'cause it's not motivated by flaming, but is a combination of the preach hitting me or a "if you don't get anything else I'm saying PLEASE get this" kind of attitude on what I'm saying.  It's emphasis and excitement on my part about what I'm saying, but NEVER EVER intended in a demeaning way.  Often my posts here find extra usage either on my own website or in emails I'll send out occasionally to various folks in full time ministry and I'll often just leave it with the caps in the way that it came out.  Perhaps for me that would best be replaced by heavy usage of exclamation marks, but then I'll probably take heat for flaming with that too on some particular aspect where I feel Holy Spirit is saying something that's not the current understanding of the person taking offense, so it's never a 100% winning situation in a context where you're dealing with a platform of communication that's 100% written if you ever feel like some of your comments are more important than others in the same post. 

I've thought through color useage and emoticon useage, but with remembering different examples of that over the years, I've never found rainbow posts to draw my attention in any special way to some comments more than others as either foundational, extra explanation of what's being said and why, or whatever.  There's only so much you can do on a discussion board unless you point folks to web links for definitions and further Biblically relevant explanations of such and such, but it's a mess to try to include a different link at the end of every post and if anyone was underwhelmed by a particular link, perhaps the last time they visit links someone posts, so there's not much winning on the part of any perspective with that one.

All any of us can do is pray and believe God according to the promises of the Scriptures for His ongoing intervention, for one's own self control rather than worrying about that of others, and for Him to give Words that wind up being pivotal expressions that are timely to individuals about such and such a perspective, and then just roll the care of the rest over on Him, whether you were as offensive as He'd of been in His saying the same things, like those who believe His Words won't die, or whatever.  Love, truth, fellowship, edification, prayer, and preservation of the unity at all costs 'cept to the love, the truth, prayer, and the edification necessary to keep it as something worthwhile and always self replicating with new babies in Christ all of the time as the nations are discipled are paramount.  With the best of intentions, some are going to retreat into the darkness regardless and all you can do is move on with your own meekness and lowliness of heart offering rest to the souls of others.