Here's a video from a guy who tries to demonstrate the existence of hell through "scientifical" and "biblical" facts. What do u think?
https://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQtwIwAGoVChMInK7K-p-ayQIV5SVyCh0BRwh5&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEjVe_n_EI58&usg=AFQjCNGtHmLmqeNx52CzVFQmpmXLLiCLag&sig2=AfrZvxnojnLJri-EBOyYQw (https://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQtwIwAGoVChMInK7K-p-ayQIV5SVyCh0BRwh5&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEjVe_n_EI58&usg=AFQjCNGtHmLmqeNx52CzVFQmpmXLLiCLag&sig2=AfrZvxnojnLJri-EBOyYQw)
I "think" he needs to read the Bible and not religious bible rhetoric......i think. :Chinscratch:
I got this far, when the fellow said, "What is the penalty for sin?" I knew the penalty was simple death, and expected him to say so, but no, he slipped in his opening wedge: "Separation from God." Half-truth, and I'm done. Did not Paul say that not even death will separate us from God?
Laz, this fellow probably read more theological books than the Bible. ..
@Lazarus, this fellow almost never mentioned any Bible verses so I think that he is just indoctrinated. Something thatmany ETers ddon't understand is that Christ's death is not useless in UR but rather even more glorious for it doesn't save just a part of humankind but everybody. Hell exists but was defeated by Jesus completely!
But isn't the point here that hell is not a fiery pit for torture? The word is Hades which is the grave or death and the place of the dead. So everyone goes there when they die but then there is a resurrection. So hell is not a place for punishment or correction at all. The lake of fire is for correction, that's how I see it.
Quote from: bushy on December 28, 2015, 07:26:33 PM
But isn't the point here that hell is not a fiery pit for torture? The word is Hades which is the grave or death and the place of the dead. So everyone goes there when they die but then there is a resurrection. So hell is not a place for punishment or correction at all. The lake of fire is for correction, that's how I see it.
I am so glad you can see this , I have found this is the place of hell / grave and death and torment , we look around and see in the natural all the judgments in the earth and can see this is HELL AND DEATH and it is temporary ,,, the days of our flesh are numbered
But we are more than that , flesh and blood,,,, we are spiritual beings and does not the spiritual being survive though those fiery laws and trials of faith ?
without faith it is impossible to please GOD , So faith is a substance of hope , without hope all are miserable ,
are we not and have been men most miserable ?
When Jesus returns will he find faith on/in our earth / bodies ?
as a thief in the night when darkness comes and no one knows GOD or His plan , we were given LIGHT
and understanding and knowledge of Him though Jesus Christ ....
and to KNOW THE LOVE OF GOD !!! wow how we have grown in truth and grace , so many are yet to experience this or may never know in the short time that satan can and does deceive the whole world ...
We do have something now that is more precious than all the truth and gold in the world and can glory in GOD about ,
I would never want to use this power against those still trapped in Babylon , but use this to free them as we are set free by the power of the blood of Jesus Christ ....
They say knowledge is power in this life and though it helps , it is miserable to know it and cannot do anything about it or become tempted and prideful
rising up like satan to oppress those whom are still trying to find their way , to that narrow path that leads to LIFE IN CHRIST ..........
OUR Boasting in the Lord should not be to our shame but to His glory and workers in the field / world now to plant the seeds and water as God gives the increase of the HOLY SPIRIT that everyone can believe in and experience , ONE SPIRIT , ONE FAITH ,ONE BAPTISM , Ephesians 4:4-6New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Has Jesus given you to the Father already and GOD IS ALL IN ALL IN YOU YET ?
IF SO YOUR HEAVENS AND EARTH ARE ONE WITH THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD and time to share in those whom are poor in SPIRIT lack the [FULLNESS OF THE SPIRIT AND GOD HEAD BODILY ] and LOVE IS THE PERFECT BOND THAT KEEPS IT ALL TOGETHER ..
labourers of love in the great harvest of souls /lives it is the Christ [resurrection & the LIFE ] in you and hope of glory to give the FATHER what is HIS rightfully on earth and it is in heaven . seated with Christ in heavenly places ..
if there be anything pure lovely think of these things ph 4 Think on These Things
8Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. 9The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me,
practice these things, and
the God of peace will be with you.
Oh how the Spirit is vexed by the flesh and the flesh vexes our Spirit to the point of getting in the way and becoming a stumbling block ...
and though we may stumble many times [7] the fulness of it , GOD is able to make us stand in the truth and the truth will set us all free ...
I did not watch the video .. and am sorry I spoke up ...
QuoteIMO, but this is only my viewpoint, hell exists (of course it is not under the earth, ahaha), but I question whether it is to be forever. The point is, where EVER in the Bible it is said that death is the end? If I believe after death, what prevents God (who willeth all to be saved, ecc.) from taking me away from hell? This is my point.
I am in agreement with you .... under earth is the unseen , that God knows the secrets of our hearts that even we may not be even aware of .... Like when you blow an opportunity to shine and the man of sin rises up in anger and destroys the good leaving a path of destruction in its wake ....
That you did not even know was hidden in your heart in the first place ,, God is cleaning us out of all corruption and waste , so His Holy presence can come and dwell and STAY with us , to me this is the war of armageddon The word "Armageddon" appears only once in the Greek New Testament, in Revelation 16:16. The word is translated to Greek from Hebrew har məgiddô (הר מגידו), har - Strong H2022 -
meaning "a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion."
This it the place where JESUS SAYS oh you of little faith , if you told this mountain'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you!!!!!!!!!!!! that mountain with all the hills are rulers over you ... your own body of death
Jesus told us BY EXAMPLE ...Because there is no condemnation to those whom are in CHRIST and are walking in the SPIRIT OF LIFE .. you have passed from death to LIFE WHEN YOU KEEP THE LAW OF LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!
13Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.
14We know that we have passed out of death into life,
because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.
15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Death is not loving perfectly ...
Matt 5 Be perfect as your FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT /COMPLETE entire without want or lack of anything ......
The WORD is A powerful LIGHT when Moved by His Spirit within you ....
Sometimes you have to Love them enough to tell the truth and if they put you to death over it , you have tasted that same baptism of death LIKE JESUS DID BECAUSE HE LOVED THEM AND FORGIVE THEM though they were enemies of the Cross of Christ /murderers in their hearts , robbing and taking life that does not belong to them
the tongue is an unruly evil that sets the same courses of hell / a fire of destruction that the good and bad are all consumed in as opposition to the WAYS OF GOD S DESIRE ...
I have come to set fire His Word is a sword and a fire
Luke 12
Not Peace, But Division
49"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!
50"But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!... and at the Cross it was finished the work given for Him to do , now it is our turn to follow Him where ever HE sends
The division is between the law of moses where satan accuses over this body of death, it is the ministration of death and many rulers /hills to bring us to Christ ,,, the letter of the law kills us right down to the jot and tittle , but it is the law of Jesus Christ by the Spirit and LOVE for all that makes alive
the killing and making alive , JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD OF THE DEAD AND THE LIVING ... as the Lord rebukes his adversaries for all our sakes ...
by turning one over to satan for the destruction of our flesh so in the DAY /LIGHT OF THE LORD our Spirit shall be saved the flesh cannot handle it , but the Spirit can as the works of satan is destroyed , by the breath of His coming ... Paul said do not judge before the time till the Lord comes and He brings to Light the things hidden in the darkness and
disclose the motives of men's hearts; and
then each man's praise will come to him from God.
God will give the praise , not man to the Glory of the Father
God is no respecter of persons and we are not to be either , but in HIS HOLY SPIRIT we will not be , this will be how we disern the Lords Body , Life is in and though Him only ... ... sorry this went so long ..
Because "hell" has been translated for sheol and gehenna, it cause confusion. People say hell, thinking "lake of fire" sometimes. Sometimes they say hell thinking "Hades", but they understand hell generally, as the lake of fire being a place of eternal torment or eternal destruction.
So sometimes it is hard to resolve for people the fallacy in both ideas, and to explain what the fire of God is for, which is to purge and purify.
technically there is no "hell", but I use the word sometimes to facilitate discussion with someone who will not(until I get done with them if the Lord wills ;o) know what Sheol or Gehenna is. I use the lake of fire along with it tho, because most everyone will understand that. And then I use that to open discussion about the difference between sheol, the lake of fire and gehenna.