Adam and Eve

[rsimpson14]

I have a question or an idea and it may be silly but I am going to ask it any way. It may have already been discussed in another thread but her it goes any way.


I was wondering or thinking when God created Adam and Eve was it actually more than one? In other words when God created man were there several?

When I read about Cain killing Abel, Cain spoke of the other people wanting to kill him. Where or when did these others come from?

[jabcat]

i think it's an interesting question...and...i don't know :)

so part of the question is, does (at least part of) the creation account have some allegory to it...or at least is a picture of a more encompassing event(s).

boy, that should start a broohaha   :footmouth:

[rsimpson14]

I hope it does!! I have had this thought about the creation of man for quite a while. It just makes sense that the creation of Adam/man was actually more than one. I hope someone can shed some light on this one.

[Seth]

I don't know either, though I have often wondered that myself. Adam does seem to be a general word for "man" or mankind, but on the other hand he does converse with God in Genesis, and Paul refers to Adam as "one man" by which sin came into the world, as compared to one other man who is Jesus Christ.

[Shev]

There definitely seems to be a certain level of metaphor possible. I suppose one of the other evidences for Adam being an actual man (beside that which Seth mentioned) is the genealogies of Genesis and Christ that go man by man from Adam and back to Adam respectively.

Another interesting point I heard made (and that I believe to be true off the top of my head) is that Adam is not mentioned after Genesis until the New Testament, which is a little odd to say the least! There is definitely some mystery to Eden!

[gregoryfl]

Think on this:

Adam and Hhawah bore Sheth when Adam was 130 years old (or 250 years if you believe the LXX). It may be assumed that they bore Qayin, then Hebel, THEN Sheth, but it is highly improbable that over 100 (or 200) years went by after Hebel was born with no further children being born. Although the text speaks of his having sons and daughters during the 800 years (or 700 according to the LXX) AFTER Sheth was born, they most likely had children after Hebel, and before Sheth as well, who would grow up and appear to be the ones Qayin was referring to.

I am not against the idea of a level of meaning as regards a metaphor, but the Pardes (the plain and simple) interpretation, whatever it may be, must not be discounted.

Ronen

[rsimpson14]

Seth I completely did not take into consideration the one man sin entered and by one man,Christ,scripture.

I was reading this last night

Genesis 5:1–:2 5\
This is the scroll of the genealogical records of Adam.
On the day Elohim created
− Adam, in the likeness of Elohim
He made him.
2 Male and female He created them, and He blessed them and called their name Human on the day they were created .(CLV)

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.(KJV)

Now this really got the wheels turning in my head and it was not a pretty site and the smoke coming out of my ears set the smoke detector off :laugh:

Now we see different ethnic people like Asian, White,Black,ect... and the wheels really started turning then and thought I would loose a few teeth out the gears :laugh:

[sheila]

in some of the lost books..it states that when Cain and Abel were born..each had

  an accompanying female born with them  male/female twins. something to consider,

 

[gregoryfl]

Another interesting point I heard made (and that I believe to be true off the top of my head) is that Adam is not mentioned after Genesis until the New Testament, which is a little odd to say the least! There is definitely some mystery to Eden!

Here is one:

Adam, Seth, Enosh,
(1Ch 1:1)

[Shev]

Thanks Gregory. Shows what I know!

[gregoryfl]

You know quite a bit, dear brother.   :friendstu:

[eaglesway]

in some of the lost books..it states that when Cain and Abel were born..each had

  an accompanying female born with them  male/female twins. something to consider,

From a literalist historical perspective:

Adam and Eve, If they bore children even every five years for 500 years, could have brought forth over 100 children, who in turn, if even only 75% of the women bore children once every 5 years, could have brought forth as many as 5000 children. Within 2-300 years of Abels birth there could easily have been  four to five generations of offspring totaling ,depending on the many varables, anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of adult people on the earth. Since Adam lived 900 years or so, I am only allowing 500 childbearing years for Eve. It could have been higher.

After Cain killed Abel and was banished, it is written he knew his wife and conceived a son, and then he built a city, named after his son. Cities are built for fairly large numbers of people. One of Cains children was the father of tribes that lived in tents. Since God had commanded Adam to be fruitful and multiply it is reasonable to conceive that these first men and women, who lived hundreds of years, did exactly that in abundance and there numbers likey grew exponentially, quite quickly.

The so- called contradiction of who the sons yand daughters of Adam and Eve married is really not at all difficult to resoven when a person considers that the narration covers hundreds of years in a few verses. There may have been many children born before they began to marry.

[Shev]

You know quite a bit, dear brother.   :friendstu:

Thanks brother. It is a good lesson not to pass on something without having researched it for myself though!  :Chinscratch:

[marie glen]

I have a question or an idea and it may be silly but I am going to ask it any way. It may have already been discussed in another thread but her it goes any way.


I was wondering or thinking when God created Adam and Eve was it actually more than one? In other words when God created man were there several?

When I read about Cain killing Abel, Cain spoke of the other people wanting to kill him. Where or when did these others come from?

P.S. - "Eve, the mother of us all.." ..the oldest artifacts are of a sort of heavy mother 'god'.. later versions were slim and sexier looking.. I've wondered these mother 'gods' didn't begin as fuzzy memories of Eve.. passed down..
Doesn't it say all came from Adam? "Through one man Adam came death, and in the same way, through Christ" (one) "came life"... (1 cor 15)

Consider the very long lives of the first people. By time Cain slew Abel, which their ages are not given, there could have been thousands of people.. [They were able to marry their sibling as the genetic code was not narrowed, as it is today, therefor there was no danger for the offspring..]
:Peace2:

P.S. "Eve the mother of us all.." ..some of the oldest artifacts are of a sort of heavy mother 'god'.. later mother 'gods' were slimmer, sexier.. I have wondered if this mother 'god' didn't begin as fuzzy memories of Eve passed down.. (and if perhaps Eve became heavy during her life, just a thought I've had)

[rsimpson14]

Yes it is true that others were born I am sure but it states cities were built and cities usually have many, many people. I always wondered about the incest thing and I am sure the DNA was there from the creation.

Still wondering on this??????

Thanks for the many replies

bob

[micah7:9]

Gen.1:26 And Elohim |said: Let Us make humanity in Our image 7and
according to Our likeness. + Let them hold sway over the fish of

27 So Elohim created `.humanity in His image; in the image of
Elohim He created `it: male and female He created `them.  (Concordant OT)

[Joe]

 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul....
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.....
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh....

Ge 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

According to this account in Genesis, one man, one woman appears to have merit.

[WhiteWings]

It's a lot of reading but very interesting I think.
I will just give a very short summary of two alternative ways of reading the ages:

1]
Ronen already mentioned the ages differ between the LXX and other translations. That could be due to translation errors (not errors in the manuscripts).
Over the ages there where several ways of writing down numbers. Not always fully understood by the translators.I will use Adam as an example.
Seth born at age of 130. Adam dies at the age of 930. --> The usual translation
Seth born at age of 23. Adam dies at the age of 81 or 93. --> The proposed translation

http://www.noahs-ark-flood.com/images/PDF/Genesis5analysis.pdf


2]
Simply put all ages are total fake. We all know that numbers like 7 and 12 have a special meaning. Ancients has numbers with special meanings too. The numbers are poured in a formula that gives us the numbers we read in Genesis.

All ages end with 0, 5, 7 or 2 which as a hidden meaning
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2003/PSCF12-03Hill.pdf
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04Johnson.pdf
http://www.asa3.org/ed/Chapter3.pdf




BTW "Father" should be taken very loosely. It can mean ancestor.

[Joe]

Let me first say that I do believe in one man, Adam, and out of that man God made woman.  Also there are many things I would like to say but I cannot.  Not that I would not but that I cannot.  Some things are best left in the sanctuary. 

Eze 44:17 ¶ And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.
18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.
19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

Does this sound familiar?

Mr 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Mr 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

David had nearly (well nigh) slipped when he beheld the prosperity of the wicked...until he entered into the sanctuary then he understood their end.  Some things can only be understood by those that go into the sanctuary.  The sanctuary, also known as the secret of His pavilion, the secret place of the Most High, the shadow of His wings, and the Holy of Holies---------is where He will explain everything to us in secret.

So be still and know that He Is God.

_____________________________________________________________________

"Earth is crammed with heaven, and every common bush afire with God; But only he who sees, takes off his shoes."   (Browning)

[Tom]

I have a question or an idea and it may be silly but I am going to ask it any way. It may have already been discussed in another thread but her it goes any way.


I was wondering or thinking when God created Adam and Eve was it actually more than one? In other words when God created man were there several?

When I read about Cain killing Abel, Cain spoke of the other people wanting to kill him. Where or when did these others come from?

"For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead." (1 Corinthians 15:21)

"The human called his wife's name Eve, for she would become the mother of all the living." (Genesis 3:20)

[Tom]

"Yahweh Elohim formed the human out of soil from the ground, and He blew in to his nostrils the breath of life; and the human became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

"Then Yahweh Elohim caused a stupor to fall on the human. While he was sleeping, He took one of his angular organs and closed up the flesh over its place. Yahweh Elohim built the angular organ that He had taken from the human into a woman and brought her to the human. The human said: This time, it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. This shall be called woman, for this was taken from her man. Therefore a man shall forsake his father and his mother; he will cling to his wife, and both of them
will be one flesh." (Genesis 2:21-24)

[Tom]

When I read about Cain killing Abel, Cain spoke of the other people wanting to kill him. Where or when did these others come from?

I think those "people" were the same "people" from whom Cain got his wife. They were the children of Adam and Eve. They could have been Cain's brothers and sisters or nieces and nephews, right? The genetic pool had not been so corrupted then as it is today, and therefore there was no prohibition against marrying a sister or brother yet.

[eaglesway]

With the lifespans back then Cain could have married his 2nd cousins daughter- whatever that would be categorized as ;o)

[Tom]

I agree. I think folks just get spooked about incest, but that law came much later.

[micah7:9]

Incest? Just curious :dontknow: