This verse caught my attention this morning Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
There are, of course, many similar verses like this. In the light of UR I have to believe there is 2 things going on. Salvation being for the masses then "being appointed for eternal life" must be something else.
My question then is, What do we call this other thing? Is it the difference between "born again" and "saved?" Are those even different? Is there some deeper second step happening here?
jerry
Just got into this and did not have much time.
Here is a ling that came up concerning the Greek word: tetagmenoi
http://bjorkbloggen.com/tag/tetagmenoi/
:dsunny:
That link... interesting but, oy vey, John Wesley, very wordy. Consummate preacher who, I would guess, loves to hear himself blather. :eek:
I see that Young's says "appointed to life age-during" instead of "appointed to eternal life."
What is this "life age-during"? If not eternal nor salvation, it must be... what? Special relationship; commission; sanctification...
And what of the Jews who are in danger of perishing around verse 40. What is this perishing? Are they just put of the new churches misery for a time, or missing out of the sanctification that Jesus has made available?
Quote from: ed on June 22, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Just got into this and did not have much time.
Here is a ling that came up concerning the Greek word: tetagmenoi
http://bjorkbloggen.com/tag/tetagmenoi/
:dsunny:
:thumbsup: good article ed !!
Good question Jerry
I can only say , faith is a gift of God and made Simon know Jesus Christ was the son of God , and called him Peter from that point on
knowing this revelation or revealing of Jesus Christ to simon , meaning hearing or listen and new name Peter meaning ''rock ''
and upon this ''rock solid revelation of Jesus Christ OF FAITH given as true example of , the gates of hades /graves of the unseen could not win a war against it
We know Peter went on to deny Jesus before men 3 times Just as Jesus knew and told him he would and yet !!! Peter was still saved and went on into true revelation of Jesus Christ and wrote some wonderful testimony for us to this day
Peter was changed with a new name and purpose , just as Simon was given the gift of faith from the Father , no flesh and blood gave him this faith , nor did he produce it of himself
the HOLY SPIRIT witness was what made Simon Peter belive and death could not hold him from that point on , though it was not certain of Peter yet , till he want though all the testing of this precious faith given him by the FATHER by HOLY SPIRIT revelation , about the SON OF GOD ,Jesus Christ .
no man calls Jesus Christ accursed Therefore I want you to
know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. PETER SAYS HERE ... 1 PETER 1 A Living Hope
...6In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while
, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7
so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
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and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, your precious faith is a treasure kept in your heart to build upon as God gives the increase by the fire and trials of faith making you stronger in the Lord in trust and obedience by the revelation unveiling of the hidden things of God and experiences the fire of what is lost is good and what is gained is even more valuable to you ..
the HOLY seed being the Word of God is Christ , this anointing of Holy Spirit to me is the oil and light of salvation given by the LOVE OF GOD for this LIGHT in every man .... Whom the Father has anointed in Jesus Christ ..
much more scriptures about the LIGHT OF THE WORLD The Witness of John
...8He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9There was the true
Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him....Luke 11:36
Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and no part of it dark, it will be just as full of light as when a lamp shines its light on you."
1 John 2:8
Yet I am writing you a new command
; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world.
John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.John 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Moses gave you ...
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man ...
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that you should be my servant to ...
Matthew 6:23 But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. ...
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in him ...
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, ...
every.
John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all ...
John 7:12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for ...
John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should ...
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this ...
1 Thessalonians 5:4-7 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake ...
THE LIGHT IS THE TRUTH and the Truth is the LIGHT :HeartThrob: JESUS CHRIST IS HIS NAME ...
There is a lot of different views on this. I think life age-during life and eternal life are one and the same. The word "zoe" is used for life everywhere. Aionian/ age-during is age-during because it is the life of God in us through Jesus Christ and it is eternal, everlasting.
IMO, born again and saved are the same thing, as with reconciled, justified, redeemed- all aspects of salvation in Christ.
My point of view on the word "saved" is here....
http://tentmaker.org/forum/discussions-on-universal-salvation/saved-13453/msg188540/?topicseen#msg188540 (http://tentmaker.org/forum/discussions-on-universal-salvation/saved-13453/msg188540/?topicseen#msg188540)
Quote from: GerWat on June 22, 2015, 07:44:36 AM
This verse caught my attention this morning Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
There are, of course, many similar verses like this. In the light of UR I have to believe there is 2 things going on. Salvation being for the masses then "being appointed for eternal life" must be something else.
My question then is, What do we call this other thing? Is it the difference between "born again" and "saved?" Are those even different? Is there some deeper second step happening here?
jerry
John (Eaglesway) posted a great thread called "Saved" that can provide some answers to that.
I believe being born again IS our salvation from sin. Salvation being healing and deliverance. It's Christ within us, the light that saves us from the darkness of the carnal mind.