An apparent suicide -- what would you tell his family and friends??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_en_ot/as_obit_carradine (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_en_ot/as_obit_carradine)
That they need not worry now. He will meet God and God will help him to heal whatever wound it was that made him want to kill himself. That it is normal to feel grief and loss and sadness and that much of that is sadness for our loss and not for the deceased.
Quote from: martincisneros on June 04, 2009, 10:39:41 PM
An apparent suicide -- what would you tell his family and friends??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_en_ot/as_obit_carradine (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_en_ot/as_obit_carradine)
I had to talk to a friend about someone he knew who committed suicide. I told him that the person had to be in great darkness to do such a thing yet God is deeper than even that kind of darkness.
Then I told him that most of us will never know that kind of darkness but God is light and light will prevail.
God does not stop working because of suicide.
cp
I was shocked when I heard the circumstances in which they found the body and the probable suicide. And I'm sure many other fans would be too. So, I guess I should have included in my opening post "fans" with "family and friends" 'cause I'm sure there's a lot of people right now that this isn't even real for. And of course, many mainstream Churches are going to say "oh-well, God's showing Him what real suffering is all about at this point, because he made his decision! He was suffering in his life and his suffering has only just begun!!" But Jesus has still momentarily left the 99 sheep to find that 1 lost sheep. And because of the Abrahamic Edenic Covenant that we've had for approximately 4,000 years, but definitely ever since Jesus was raised from the dead 2,000 years ago, God will dig him out of the pit UNQUESTIONABLY:
1Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
2Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
3For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody. (Isaiah 51:1-3)
Quote from: martincisneros on June 05, 2009, 02:47:43 AM
I was shocked when I heard the circumstances in which they found the body and the probable suicide. And I'm sure many other fans would be too. So, I guess I should have included in my opening post "fans" with "family and friends" 'cause I'm sure there's a lot of people right now that this isn't even real for. And of course, many mainstream Churches are going to say "oh-well, God's showing Him what real suffering is all about at this point, because he made his decision! He was suffering in his life and his suffering has only just begun!!" But Jesus has still momentarily left the 99 sheep to find that 1 lost sheep. And because of the Abrahamic Edenic Covenant that we've had for approximately 4,000 years, but definitely ever since Jesus was raised from the dead 2,000 years ago, God will dig him out of the pit UNQUESTIONABLY:
1Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
2Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
3For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody. (Isaiah 51:1-3)
I liked him too. I have all 3 seasons of the TV series on disc and watch them occasionally and find peace.
God knows. God knows.
cp
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"FANS"
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I despise the spirit of hollywood and all it entails, be it people, places or things.
The consumption, advertising, fashion, marketing, competition, the list goes on; but worst of all is its imitation of the Spirit.
Hollywood is deception at its finest. Most of the most successful products of "that place" have spiritual truths in them.
Reason being: That God's word has Life and Breath, no matter whom is expressing it.
Quote from: claypot on June 05, 2009, 04:13:30 AM
I liked him too. I have all 3 seasons of the TV series on disc and watch them occasionally and find peace.
God knows. God knows.
cp
Me too.
It's very sad.
:sigh:
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 04:18:58 AMI despise the spirit of hollywood and all it entails, be it people, places or things.
The consumption, advertising, fashion, marketing, competition, the list goes on; but worst of all is its imitation of the Spirit.
Hollywood is deception at its finest. Most of the most successful products of "that place" have spiritual truths in them.
Reason being: That God's word has Life and Breath, no matter whom is expressing it.
Well, if Christians withdraw as salt and light, then what else could there be but unbelievers involved? However, there's a really, really powerful outpouring of the Holy Spirit that's been going on among Hollywood actors and others for nearly two decades. It's slowly turning around, although obviously the ones with the most money and clout are still making the rules on what comes out, for the most part. But it doesn't imitate the Spirit. If it did, that would be a really good thing 'cause we're supposed to be imitators of God in Matthew 5, imitators of Christ in Matthew 7, Luke 6:40, and John 8, imitators of St. Paul in 1Corinthians 4, 1Corinthians 11, and Philemon 17, and again, imitators of God in Ephesians 5. I'm just glad that God's saving work is progressing steadily in Hollywood, just as everywhere else, and that there is nowhere without a witness to the Lordship of Jesus, the power of His Blood, and the Gift of His Holy Spirit to change lives.
Sad???
Sad???
Let the dead bury the dead.
You are here to speak forth life.
Do you not yet know who you are?
Do you not yet know who you Father is?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 04:39:09 AM
Sad???
Sad???
Let the dead bury the dead.
You are here to speak forth life.
Do you not yet know who you are?
Do you not yet know who you Father is?
wow, you're hateful!
Do you have a bible? Martin.
What do you think death is, Martin?
Do you know?
Is it eternal?
Or, perhaps, temporary?
Is it on earth or under the earth.
Is it physical or spiritual?
Or perhaps, Can it be either?
Are we alive, when dead in Christ?
Colossians 2 (King James Version)
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Beloved Servant... I am really not understanding what you are saying.
Can you just put it into plain words why you think I shouldn't feel sadness?
I can't tell if you are saying something good or awful here..
so I'm asking for clarification..before I respond.
thank you..
Did you know him personally?
If not, than your sadness is displaced.
If you cry for his humanity, then cry for all that die.
His soul has merely left his earth. The spiritual, not the temporal, is now before him and all he has to wear.
Why mourn for what you have been taught?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 05:20:37 AM
Did you know him personally?
If not, than your sadness is displaced.
If you cry for his humanity, then cry for all that die.
His soul has merely left his earth. The spiritual, not the temporal, is now before him and all he has to wear.
Why mourn for what you have been taught?
Ok, still just needing to clarify what you're saying, because it could go one of two ways.
What do you mean by the bolded?
Let the dead bury the dead.
He is not gone, just gone on.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 05:31:38 AM
Let the dead bury the dead.
He is not gone, just gone on.
Gone where?
Am I driving you crazy yet? I'm sorry. There are just so many beliefs out there. I don't know if you're saying "good riddance this heathen is finally going to eternal torture where he belongs" or something more along the lines of "He's going to where God is bringing him into the knowledge of truth..." or something similar that means that he is not lost forever and that God sees him as His beloved child and is ultimately reconciling him, etc.
sorry. I just have to have people's thoughts spelled out for me, sometimes so I can be sure I understand their point of view. that's all .... :JCThink: :HeartThrob:
thanks for understanding..
Little Sparrow,
Read this:
I chose the Amplified for your behalf:
2 Corinthians 5 (Amplified Bible)
Please pray, devote your life to Christ.
Live for Him and not yourself.
Consider yourself dead.
Beheaded.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 05:54:46 AM
Little Sparrow,
Read this:
I chose the Amplified for your behalf:
2 Corinthians 5 (Amplified Bible)
Please pray, devote your life to Christ.
Live for Him and not yourself.
Consider yourself dead.
Beheaded.
Beloved Servant.... I don't want you to quote bible verses.
The way I interpret it could be completely different.
Can't ya just answer my last question? That would make this really so much easier, friend..
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 04:18:58 AM
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"FANS"
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I despise the spirit of hollywood and all it entails, be it people, places or things.
The consumption, advertising, fashion, marketing, competition, the list goes on; but worst of all is its imitation of the Spirit.
Hollywood is deception at its finest. Most of the most successful products of "that place" have spiritual truths in them.
Reason being: That God's word has Life and Breath, no matter whom is expressing it.
Is that what you would tell his family and friends?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 05:20:37 AM
Did you know him personally?
If not, than your sadness is displaced.
If you cry for his humanity, then cry for all that die.
His soul has merely left his earth. The spiritual, not the temporal, is now before him and all he has to wear.
Why mourn for what you have been taught?
I just wish Jesus had understood this when He was carnal enough to have wept at Lazarus's tomb.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 05:54:46 AM
Little Sparrow,
Read this:
I chose the Amplified for your behalf:
2 Corinthians 5 (Amplified Bible)
Please pray, devote your life to Christ.
Live for Him and not yourself.
Consider yourself dead.
Beheaded.
Romans 6 says to present ourselves to God as alive from the dead and our members as instruments of righteousness for God.
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on June 05, 2009, 06:00:56 AMIs that what you would tell his family and friends?
I know, that was my point by the hateful comment, i.e., the purpose of the thread, besides what the Holy Spirit was showing me in the comments.
needed to clarify with "in the comments," in case anybody's quoting my post as I'm doing this.
Oh Sparrow,
How much longer must I be with you?
Gone where? You ask.
He has gone on to be with his God.
Where?
Your Father will not keep this from you.
The veil is rent.
You may go yourself.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 06:10:19 AM
Oh Sparrow,
How much longer must I be with you?
Gone where? You ask.
He has gone on to be with his God.
Where?
Your Father will not keep this from you.
The veil is rent.
You may go yourself.
But we have gone into the veil. Doesn't mean we don't regard one another both in the flesh and in the Lord, according to Philemon 1:16, BECAUSE we ARE God's New Creation according to 2Corinthians 5:17.
yes Paul Hazelwood.
Hollywood is a deceitful spirit.
As is:
Fashion
advertising
marketing
and the hosts thereof
I would tell his family not to worry, they will be reunited someday. Whatever darkness he was in (as we are all in varying degrees of darkness, I believe.) that is over now. He is now where all of our souls long to be.
Back home.
and one day we will all be...
back home.
All is well.
Though separation can be excruciating.
Peace comes when you realize God never let your loved one leave you.
They are in your heart.
And one day, God shall wipe away all tears.
and our sorrow shall be turned into laughter.
Imagine that.
Our SORROW.
shall be turned into LAUGHTER.
LAUGHTER!!!!!!
Not just "our sorrow will be turned into joy" but turned into "LAUGHTER!"
That is an amazing picture.
peace,
sparrow
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 06:13:34 AM
yes Paul Hazelwood.
Hollywood is a deceitful spirit.
As is:
Fashion
advertising
marketing
and the hosts thereof
Not debating that one way or another, just wanted to make sure that is what you would say to a dead mans family and friends. Please stay away from mine when I die.
Quote from: sparrow on June 05, 2009, 06:14:33 AMThey are in your heart.
EXACTLY and the answer to where we go when we die:
7Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because
I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel,
ye all are partakers of my grace. (Philippians 1:7)
John 19
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold your son!"
27 Then He said to the disciple, "Behold your mother!" And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.
I would tell them that I liked his acting and understand that I did not know the person at all. I would say that no matter what David was into, what he believed, what manner of circumstance caused this, God takes care of his creation for the good and for his glory.
In my opinion, or at least in my walk, to dwell in the spirit means that we can empathize and hope for the contentment and peace of those who we have never met or will never know personally on this earth. I was a long time getting to that point. What opportunity we have when we hear of someone we do not know, perhaps do not like, perhaps see they engaged in things we despise, only to rest in the spirit of prayer for their well being and that of their loved ones.
It's not easy, not easy at all.
Hmmm, what did Jesus say?
Let the dead bury the dead.
Am I the only one that has this in their Bible?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 06:52:31 AM
Hmmm, what did Jesus say?
Let the dead bury the dead.
Am I the only one that has this in their Bible?
No, just everybody else understands the context about proclaiming the Kingdom rather than as a paddle to whip Christians that don't come up to your level of shunning others, allegedly for Christ's sake. It's a "we walk by faith and not by sight" Scripture rather than a disregarding the needs, even emotional, of humanity, but applying the areas of the Gospel to all of the areas that it meets. It meets all of the needs of a man in their spirit, soul, body, finances, and social life. There is no such thing as a need that a human being would ever have that there isn't a promise of God's Written Word to give them victory and supply over. And what you're rattling off meets absolutely nobody's needs except for your own to be abusive in the times of the loss of others.
There is no anointing in what you've said, the way you've continuously said it, therefore no burdens would be removed by it and no yokes destroyed so that people, animals, spirits, and nature could go free. What's important is the setting free of absolutely all of Creation by His Blood Sworn Oath rather than seeing another brand of Pharisaical whatever. Walking by faith and not by sight isn't trampling on the needs and feelings of others to try to make yourself look spiritual. If that's not one of Jesus' "and again I say unto thee," then evidently He didn't place the importance on the statement that you have, particularly since it's repeated by none of the Apostles later in the New Testament from the book of Acts onwards. The Gospel is Acts 10:38: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, Who went about doing good and healing ALL that were oppressed of the devil for God was with Him.
That's the entire Gospel right there, and because of the foundation He laid,
now by the Blood of Jesus we're Christ, according to St. Peter, St. Paul, and St. John. Are you a false one among us? Our first anointing in Isaiah 61, as the trees of righteousness, is the healing of the broken hearted. That's what we're supposed to be stirring up of the gift of God within us, according to 2Timothy 1, as we're being filled more and more with the Holy Spirit according to Ephesians 5. The disciples in Acts DID NOT NEGLECT ministering to tables. No lack among them meant from the heart rather than economic at that time, although Church History (i.e. tradition) does indicate Barnabas to have been the Bob Tilton of the day, so...might of even been the hundredfold multiplying among them rapidly and the explanation for the strife that they got into as Satan was endeavoring to steal the Word that was sown in them as it says in Mark 4 that he'd try to make a play for. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, NO MATTER OF THE HEART WAS LEFT UNADDRESSED AMONG THEM!!
Who is Bob Tilton?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 08:26:28 AMWho is Bob Tilton?
He's actually the minister through whom I received the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the operation of Jesus' High Priestly ministry of speaking in other tongues and the ability to interpret. He's a faithful minister of Christ that bares a very difficult cross to bare with the particular aspect of the oracles of God that he's been entrusted with, that the moment you go there in a sermon with a Biblical perspective, half to two-thirds of the Body of Christ is ready to attach motives to you of fleecing the flock of God that aren't there. Used to be on nation-wide television, but is only on some television channels these days, as far as I know. Used to be based out of Dallas, but the last I heard was somewhere in Florida. Took a lot of heat from the media in the late 80s and come to find out that the ABC reporters involved had been promised by their networks that they'd receive 6 figure bonuses for each of the prosperity preachers they took down on the network. So, [needless to say with carrots like that dangling in front of them with 6 figure promises for each one head they successfully hunted,] a lot of stuff got engineered to make quite a few men of God at the time look amazingly horrible to the nation.
The Gospel has so many aspects to it, [and fulfills so many needs of Creation and of the human condition,] that there are very few in the history of the Church past and future that'll ever genuinely be called upon by the Lord to skillfully teach all aspects of it. God's normal approach is to develop specialists in the Body of Christ with aspects of Truth that they're on their knees about and in their Bibles and Concordances about every moment that they're not out preaching and teaching it. And it's not good to stray beyond one's particular calling and to start sharing a lot of stuff that though perhaps true doesn't fit like a glove with the anointing on your life that you're ultimately accountable for (and to), and therefore wouldn't bring the results in delivering the lives you'd approach with that.
Beloved Servant, You said......
Did you know him personally?
If not, than your sadness is displaced.
If you cry for his humanity, then cry for all that die.
His soul has merely left his earth. The spiritual, not the temporal, is now before him and all he has to wear.
Why mourn for what you have been taught?
It is completly normal to be "sad " when someone passes.... This is normal...More so when said person has touched the life of the person experiencing sadness. Perhaps one could be sad to realize that he had been living in some form of depression for some time....Perhaps one can be sad because he is no longer with us......For me we have been called to love our neighbor, and by the parable of the good samaritan shown that all are our neighbors...so we have been called to love our fellow man.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 04:18:58 AM
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"FANS"
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I despise the spirit of hollywood and all it entails, be it people, places or things.
The consumption, advertising, fashion, marketing, competition, the list goes on; but worst of all is its imitation of the Spirit.
Hollywood is deception at its finest. Most of the most successful products of "that place" have spiritual truths in them.
Reason being: That God's word has Life and Breath, no matter whom is expressing it.
MY first impression of hell was from bugs bunny cartoons, then reinforced thru movies as a kid, and reinforced in catholic sunday school, then as a young adult seeking God how could i NOT see that same hell in the pages of scripture.
chuckt
Now, there is a point to be made with regards to believers having been redeemed from grief and sorrow per Isaiah 53 and various other passages. And that we're supposed to resist grief and sorrow and release the joy/salvation of the Lord by faith in the Written Word and by our quality decision to walk it out -- regardless of what we're feeling. But that was entirely beyond the scope of this thread that was along the lines of what would you say to Carradine's family, friends, fans, etc., about such an amazing man and talent that left this world with a hole in it by his death. That topic would be more appropriate for a thread on dealing with grief/sorrow/depression among believers. Medication can help with that, but that's merely a coping mechanism and isn't the healing that God offers through the finished work of Christ. Obviously, if in the proper dose it kept you from doing what Carradine seems to have done, then by all means get the help so that you'll be clear headed enough to begin to learn how to cast off that yoke with the promises of God and the anointing on your life.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on June 05, 2009, 06:52:31 AM
Hmmm, what did Jesus say?
Let the dead bury the dead.
Am I the only one that has this in their Bible?
Jesus said a lot of things that all work together. Jesus was emphasizing the importance of not allowing death to be a hindrance to the kingdom, not to be calloused to a persons loved ones.
:cloud9: Sad.....
We say we are sinners but when someone really sins we judge like we are not in the same boat.
David Carradine did not shock God. The depths of whatever darkness he was enveloped in is not even a challenge to God but it is something that God and His creation (David) need to deal with as it will be with us all.
cp
Ephesians 5 (Young's Literal Translation)
12 for the things in secret done by them it is a shame even to speak of,
I repent for even replying to this thread.
Keep me aware Father, of the little foxes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_en_mo/us_carradine_death (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_en_mo/us_carradine_death)
Martin, you seem to be following this a bit. Can you update me on what the whole picture is here? I have no TV and I see no newspapers so I usually just get a trickled down version of things.
I hear David Carradine was maybe involved in some werid sexual things like getting tied up in a closet by the neck and penis? Is this true? If so, could you maybe even explain a bit about how this kind of sexual activity is at all gratifying?
We are bizaar creations to say the least. How God could come up with creatures who even have the ability to think up such things is amazing to me. Not only people, but God has quite the imagination to think up people who can think up these weird things!
I really liked this guy and I know God will sort all this out but just wondering what you are hearing.
cp
Claypot,
Just do a search on carradine sex game and you get many hits.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/suicide-sex-game-or-murder-the-death-of-david-carradine-could-be-a-case-for-the-fbi-1698622.html
Quoteactivity is at all gratifying
Lack of oxyen gives a rush.
Quote from: claypot on June 14, 2009, 04:09:56 PMI hear David Carradine was maybe involved in some werid sexual things like getting tied up in a closet by the neck and penis? Is this true? If so, could you maybe even explain a bit about how this kind of sexual activity is at all gratifying?
Well, if I tried to explain it, there's always the chance of folks thinking I'd be into that kinda thing, if I explained it a little too well, and probably at least one person that would be all "COME OUT OF HIM IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!" thinking that had to be a wrong spirit that I was talking by that one and only time. I'd like to avoid the hijacking of the thread into that area and try to keep it about what any of us would say to his family, friends, fans, (fans would obviously have included coworkers from all of his projects) etc., that are still mourning. But basically, it does appear to have been a bizzar/questionable way in which he died. But then again, all we've got are media reports aside from the Lord revealing anything in particular to any one of us, and the media sorta does what they want with the facts and truth. Suicide has been ruled out by many from the very beginning, and though things go wrong when folks have got something unrealistically kinky going on, I have a feeling we're dealing with a murder here, whether it's a crime of passion or over money and resources or whatever. Just a feeling that something may eventually wind up going to trial over this, if this doesn't slip into being another one of those "hollywood mysteries" like the death of quite a few others over the years.
Thanks Martin. Sounds like we need Columbo!
WW, thanks. I just explained it that way to my kids. I told them about the lack of oxygen thing but I didn't tell them about any possible sexual things and then I look and you confirmed what I said. Thanks.
cp