1 Corinthians 6:9 A list of the character of people who will not go to heaven.

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August 16, 2009, 06:33:05 AM Last Edit: August 16, 2009, 06:37:52 AM by ChosenofGod37
1 Corinthians 6:9 " You know that unrighteous persons will not inherit the kingdom Of God, do you not? Stop being led astray ( fig, deceived) ; neither sexual sinners, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor passive partners in male-male sex, nor active partners in male-male sex, nor covetous persons, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Notice this verse states that the unrighteous "WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD". Notice there is no mention of aionios purification.. then they can inherit the kingdom. The Scripture is very crystal clear that the unrighteous WILL NOT INHERIT HEAVEN. No purification process, no second chances to inherit the kingdom. Nada allowed in this age or any age. Period.

I welcome your responses. God bless.

Paul Hazelwood

#1
August 16, 2009, 06:42:22 AM


Yes, those character traits will not inherit the kingdom, but the people  who have that trait right now will not have that trait when they inherit it. 

As that is what Jesus drawing all men to himself does, that is conversion does, that is what correction does, that is what chastisement does and that is what reconcilation does and that is what God being ALL in ALL means.

ChosenofGod37

#2
August 16, 2009, 06:57:15 AM
Hey Paul,

The unrighteous WILL NOT INHERIT anytime. "Will Not" means just that..not gonna happen. Not by correction, not by chastisement, not by anything.

Notice in the next verse, this is only way you rid yourself of unrighteousness verse 11 And some of you were! But you yourselves were washed (fig, purified), but your were sanctified( set apart), but you were justified (declared righteous) in the name of of the Lord Jesus, and in or by the Spirit of God. Notice no afterlife chastisement or correcting or purification.. its all done by Jesus by His Spirit before you die!

Paul Hazelwood

#3
August 16, 2009, 07:12:31 AM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 06:57:15 AM
Hey Paul,

The unrighteous WILL NOT INHERIT anytime. "Will Not" means just that..not gonna happen. Not by correction, not by chastisement, not by anything.

Notice in the next verse, this is only way you rid yourself of unrighteousness verse 11 And some of you were! But you yourselves were washed (fig, purified), but your were sanctified( set apart), but you were justified (declared righteous) in the name of of the Lord Jesus, and in or by the Spirit of God. Notice no afterlife chastisement or correcting or purification.. its all done by Jesus by His Spirit before you die!


Your trying mask over what I wrote.  Indeed an unrighteous person will not inherit the kingdom and I have not stated that they will, at any time.   But these verses DO NOT prevent conversion from happening at any time before or after death.

There is absolutely nothing in that passage that says this must happen before we die, those are your words added to bias the passage.

ChosenofGod37

#4
August 16, 2009, 07:19:13 AM
Hey Paul,

Show me in the bible where this happens after you die.

Shawn_71

#5
August 16, 2009, 07:23:52 AM Last Edit: August 16, 2009, 07:27:44 AM by Shawn_71
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:19:13 AM
Hey Paul,

Show me in the bible where this happens after you die.


As well, please show us where it doesn't/can't.

Thanks.

ChosenofGod37

#6
August 16, 2009, 07:31:05 AM
Hey Shawn,

We can start with the Scripture being discussed. Will not, means just that, aint gonna happen anytime. Not perhaps, not may, not ever. The next verse tells us how that is achieved in the present time.

Paul Hazelwood

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August 16, 2009, 07:34:59 AM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 16, 2009, 07:19:13 AM
Hey Paul,

Show me in the bible where this happens after you die.


Hey ChosenofGod37, 

You can respond however you like to my understanding that there is no verse specifically written as you expect.   If it actually was that scripturally simple then there would actually be no room for interpretational differences.

With that said, the burden of proof is on you to produce the scriptures giving the same specific clarity you expect of me.   You know you can't which is why you try to place the burden on me.

I do not believe your point of view the God and our path of correction to righteousness is limited by our death.  I find no scripture so clear as to make that limitation without some obscure inference through intepretational bias.

So, please simply state your beliefs as clearly and I will then respond to your clear and undeniable scriptures stating such limitations.

Cardinal

#8
August 16, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
 :cloud9: Chosen, study the Matt. 13 parable of the wheat and the tares, especially beginning with vs. 35 on, and let your eyes be opened to what goes into the fire and from where. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

martincisneros

#9
August 17, 2009, 05:51:47 PM
Inheritance of the Kingdom isn't the equivalent of going to heaven, but of ruling/reigning with Christ in this life per Romans 5:17.  Amplified Bible defines the Kingdom as "God's ways of doing and being right."  I've even heard Creflo Dollar, Jr. rightly define this passage and he's not UR -- YET :Sparkletooth:

claypot

#10
August 17, 2009, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 16, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
:cloud9: Chosen, study the Matt. 13 parable of the wheat and the tares, especially beginning with vs. 35 on, and let your eyes be opened to what goes into the fire and from where. Blessings....

Card, contrary to what Chosen says, IMO, he or she is here for anything but to study and  learn.

I think cogs questions are good for others that will come upon these threads so in that way cog is doing Gods service. cogs evasive and devisive techniques are for one purpose only IMO and that is to generate frustration. Also IMO cog wants to saturate this forum with total nonsense and confusion.

I cannot, from all I've read, see that cog is operating with the Spirit of God in any mannner.

Just my opinion.

cp
For it is God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Seth

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August 17, 2009, 07:36:13 PM Last Edit: August 17, 2009, 08:00:16 PM by Seth
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 16, 2009, 06:42:22 AM


Yes, those character traits will not inherit the kingdom, but the people  who have that trait right now will not have that trait when they inherit it. 

As that is what Jesus drawing all men to himself does, that is conversion does, that is what correction does, that is what chastisement does and that is what reconcilation does and that is what God being ALL in ALL means.

Amen. CoG37 says: "The unrighteous WILL NOT INHERIT anytime. 'Will Not' means just that..not gonna happen. Not by correction, not by chastisement, not by anything."

Really? Take a look:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

That very scripture disproves your statement. If they were all formerly those things, then how did they inherit the kingdom? Well, by being CHANGED into something else, by what? Through correction of course!  :laughing7:

Sorry bro, you were wrong. You said "not at ANY time." Yet the scripture you quoted PROVES that that drunkards and revilers etc WERE corrected TO enter the kingdom. So much for your "not at any time" comment. Now you are left to prove that the same process cannot happen in the future. The problem is that 1 Corinthians 6:9 does not disprove that.




sparrow

#12
August 17, 2009, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 16, 2009, 06:42:22 AM


Yes, those character traits will not inherit the kingdom, but the people  who have that trait right now will not have that trait when they inherit it. 

As that is what Jesus drawing all men to himself does, that is conversion does, that is what correction does, that is what chastisement does and that is what reconcilation does and that is what God being ALL in ALL means.

Amen, Paul.

ChosenofGod37

#13
August 17, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
Hey Paul,

What about those who do not believe? Wouldn't they repent and believe if they were given a second chance? The answer is no, they would not because their hearts are not changed simply because they die. Their hearts and minds "are at enmity" against God and won't accept Him even when they see Him face to face. This is evidenced clearly in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. If ever someone should have repented when given a second chance to see clearly the truth, it was the rich man. But although he was in torment in hell, he only asked that Abraham send Lazarus back to earth to warn his brothers so they didn't have to suffer the same fate. There was no repentance in his heart, only regret for where he found himself. Abraham's answer says it all: "And he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded, even though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:31). Here we see that the witness of the Scriptures is sufficient for salvation for those who believe it, and no other revelation will bring about salvation to those who do not. No second, third or fourth chances would be enough to turn the heart of stone into a heart of flesh.


Pretty crystal clear Paul, don't ya think?

Paul Hazelwood

#14
August 17, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
Hey Paul,

What about those who do not believe? Wouldn't they repent and believe if they were given a second chance? The answer is no, they would not because their hearts are not changed simply because they die.



Nothing is scriptural about "Chances"  so your premise here has no basis for scriptural consideration.

ChosenofGod37

#15
August 17, 2009, 09:34:44 PM
Paul,

Chance meaning being preached the gospel and the Father drawing you to salvation.

Paul Hazelwood

#16
August 17, 2009, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 09:34:44 PM
Paul,

Chance meaning being preached the gospel and the Father drawing you to salvation.



Those are your words, not the words of scripture.    You will not be able to demonstrate one scripture where God operates in the realm of "Chance"

God operates in the realm of certainty.

ChosenofGod37

#17
August 17, 2009, 10:05:43 PM
Paul.

Amen. I agree. Let me ask you this. Did you get saved the very first time you heard the gospel? If yes, praise God! If no, was it  the 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, etc...Chances meaning how many "times" it took for God to decide which one time to draw you in for salvation. Make sense? Your salvation is not by chance.

Paul Hazelwood

#18
August 17, 2009, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 10:05:43 PM
Paul.

Amen. I agree. Let me ask you this. Did you get saved the very first time you heard the gospel? If yes, praise God! If no, was it  the 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, etc...Chances meaning how many "times" it took for God to decide which one time to draw you in for salvation. Make sense? Your salvation is not by chance.


No our salvation is not by chance, so the number of times has no scriptural meaning.

ChosenofGod37

#19
August 17, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
Paul,

How many times did it take you to hear the gospel, hear the word of God preached to get saved? How many times after hearing the word of God did you say, "nope don't believe it" before you did? That,s not chance Paul. However may times it took was planned by God.

Paul Hazelwood

#20
August 17, 2009, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
Paul,

How many times did it take you to hear the gospel, hear the word of God preached to get saved? How many times after hearing the word of God did you say, "nope don't believe it" before you did? That,s not chance Paul. However may times it took was planned by God.


The number of times is irrelevant, God operates by certainty, so whether it was 1 time,  2 billion, or whether it is before or after death is insignificant to the certainty of our salvation.


j.

#21
August 17, 2009, 11:08:23 PM
Chosen,

Just a few thoughts on your OP:

First, I absolutely believe the Corinthians verse. However, we have to have a larger understanding of what the "kingdom" is.

It's here, it's now, and it is fully in place and functioning at this time, and the folks who are walking in the behaviors that Paul listed will not be a part of the kingdom now. They forfeit love, peace, joy in the Holy spirit, protection, provision, etc., all of which are benefits to believers here and now, not someday in the future when we cease to exist. That's why we preach the gospel, so that people will believe here and now and have access to the benefits provided to believers by God.

Second, you don't get an "inheritance" when you die, but when someone else dies and leaves it for you. Jesus died for ALL mankind, drew them to Himself, and eventually all will see the power of God and have it revealed to them that they too were there at the cross in Christ. 

sparrow

#22
August 18, 2009, 04:27:52 AM
Quote from: j. on August 17, 2009, 11:08:23 PM
Chosen,

Just a few thoughts on your OP:

First, I absolutely believe the Corinthians verse. However, we have to have a larger understanding of what the "kingdom" is.

It's here, it's now, and it is fully in place and functioning at this time, and the folks who are walking in the behaviors that Paul listed will not be a part of the kingdom now. They forfeit love, peace, joy in the Holy spirit, protection, provision, etc., all of which are benefits to believers here and now, not someday in the future when we cease to exist. That's why we preach the gospel, so that people will believe here and now and have access to the benefits provided to believers by God.

Second, you don't get an "inheritance" when you die, but when someone else dies and leaves it for you. Jesus died for ALL mankind, drew them to Himself, and eventually all will see the power of God and have it revealed to them that they too were there at the cross in Christ. 

Just had to quote this, because it's so right on.
Thank you for sharing my friend.

claypot

#23
August 18, 2009, 05:54:32 AM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
Hey Paul,

What about those who do not believe? Wouldn't they repent and believe if they were given a second chance? The answer is no, they would not because their hearts are not changed simply because they die. Their hearts and minds "are at enmity" against God and won't accept Him even when they see Him face to face. This is evidenced clearly in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. If ever someone should have repented when given a second chance to see clearly the truth, it was the rich man. But although he was in torment in hell, he only asked that Abraham send Lazarus back to earth to warn his brothers so they didn't have to suffer the same fate. There was no repentance in his heart, only regret for where he found himself. Abraham's answer says it all: "And he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded, even though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:31). Here we see that the witness of the Scriptures is sufficient for salvation for those who believe it, and no other revelation will bring about salvation to those who do not. No second, third or fourth chances would be enough to turn the heart of stone into a heart of flesh.


Pretty crystal clear Paul, don't ya think?

I think of matt 11.21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee,  Bethsaida ! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Sounds like if these guys had a second 'chance' they would have repented. But of course God is not a God of chances so I think they will have their day in court and God will bring them around in some manner.

cog, I think your thoughts on this issue is like the train wreck you accuse others of.

Sorry.

Awaiting your comments and God bless.

cp 
For it is God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Raggedy Anne

#24
August 18, 2009, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 17, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
Hey Paul,

What about those who do not believe? Wouldn't they repent and believe if they were given a second chance? The answer is no, they would not because their hearts are not changed simply because they die. Their hearts and minds "are at enmity" against God and won't accept Him even when they see Him face to face.


Chosen,
When you were at enmity with God, being by nature a child of wrath, was it YOU who changed your own heart, or was it a work of God?  If it was a work of God, then there is no room for boasting.   In the same way that a leopard cannot change his spots, nor can we add one cubit to our stature, in that same way, it is not in our power to change our evil hearts.  God does that.  His essence of love infuses itself into us by His Spirit.  Not by might nor by power but by His Spirit.    As for seeing God face to face, the scriptures say that when we SEE HIM, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM.  The reason individuals are NOT LIKE GOD is simply because they have not seen Him YET.   To the extent that we can see God in truth, we are changed into his image.    Think of God as a mirror.  Now when a person who is not of sound mind looks into a mirror (such as someone with anorexia -- they cannot see what is really there).  They have a distorted image of truth.

Peace -
Anne
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