Hi All ,
I was wondering what your concept of salvation means to you ,
I hear so many differnt ideas of what salvation is ,
I know Jesus saves but to what extent , there is scripture to back up to the saving of the soul etc ,
what do ya think ? thanks for any replys :bigGrin:
Biblical salvation is anything you need salvation in, in your spirit, soul, body, finances, and social life. It's protection and preservation from temporal harm, healing, deliverance from anything you need deliverance from, the remission of sin, financial prosperity to accomplish God's Covenant for your life, etc. It's deliverance out of where you shouldn't be and deliverance into where you're supposed to be. It's being brought into harmony with the plan of God for your life, in contrast with holiness which is being brought into the place of having the same mind/thoughts as God so that you can stay there without self sabatoging. Holiness is the destination after you've been put where you belong so that you can keep it. For some people, Biblical salvation is in the opposite end of the country from where they're at, as in the times in the Old Testament when God would tell someone where to be because there He'd perform this or that for them. That aspect has never changed in Biblical salvation and that's where it gets complicated because people were praying this or that for years and didn't realize it was connected to the overwhelming urge to move to some other town. And that wound up being where the Church or the job or the new invention, creative idea, or winning lotto ticket wound up being. Salvation is very akin to being lead by the Holy Spirit, whereas in contrast holiness would be the understanding of why God was telling you to do this or that in His ongoing teaching and training of your life so that you'd be the greatest thing that had ever happened to the Body of Christ thus far [where you belong] as He's pulling all of the parts of the Body into alignment as it says in Romans, Corinthians, and Ephesians so that there's full expression of the Anointed One and His Anointing in the earth.
My understanding;
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him,", John 6:44, and "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" Acts 3:19. Also John 3:16 and others that talk about believing on Jesus (trusting in, placing faith in---not our faith, but a gift from God).
God is calling and choosing some now, and I believe scripture is clear there is a specific moment when one is given the faith to repent (turn from/to) and believe/trust Christ's work on the cross for our salvation.
God's blessing, James.
There are three different salvations in our life, and only one is assured.
Hi Rosie,
Quote from: rosered on November 07, 2008, 12:47:54 AM
I was wondering what your concept of salvation means to you , I hear so many differnt ideas of what salvation is ,
Getting help by moving from a negative to a positive environment. A nice luxery hotel.
QuoteI know Jesus saves but to what extent
Is that true?
Jesus mean "Jehovah is salvation"
Jesus "only" payed for the rooms in the hotel
QuoteI know Jesus saves but to what extent
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Jesus rented the whole hotel.
But all get a different arrival time. Some already recieved their reservation papers.
Others have to wait until the afterlife.
See jabcats reply.
Quotewhat do ya think
Knowing my luck in life I get a room in "Fawlty Towers" :laughing7:
Thanks Martin your right , seems Salvation its has many diffent functions /purposes
some you put I never even considered before, thanks bro !! :thumbsup:
Hi James so you think salvaion is forgiveness of sin ?
and for the Father to draw us to His Son /Himself
thanks I know thats the start of it , I think?
thanks for your reply bro .......
Hi Craig , 3 different types of Salvation .
Please share this in more detail if you dont mind , I have been thinking about it lately and dont know if I can explain it very well
I know Jesus gives us His peace and it sure has taken alot of the fears away , and what people can say that seems to try and destroy that faith
I wonder which one is assured bro ?
Thanks looking forward to more info , if you are willing to discuss it more in detail ... :icon_flower:
Hi Tony /WW ,
You speaking of the mansions in the Fathers House bro ? :icon_flower:
This may be Christ Body perhaps ?
YOU SAID :
Knowing my luck in life I get a room in "Fawlty Towers"
Now ,what is that ? :dontknow:
I know it means different things to folks , I was just wondering
to what extent Salvation comes for us ?
11And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
--1 Kings 19
Psalm 46:10
Be still, and know that I am God:
QuoteI wonder which one is assured bro ?
I had a big long explanation, but I will make it simple. The one that is assured is the one in the End of all things. Where the wicked are raised alongside the righteous and God is all in all.
Quote from: rosered on November 07, 2008, 02:34:37 AM
Hi James so you think salvaion is forgiveness of sin ?
and for the Father to draw us to His Son /Himself
thanks I know thats the start of it , I think?
thanks for your reply bro .......
Well, yes, I believe there's a point of belief in which "behold, all things are becoming new" begins. I realize too that there's then an ongoing process of refinement/purification. Some call it sanctification, which I understand to be basically "becoming more like our Master".
I was thinking about your specific question, and thinking another, maybe even better term would be redemption. However, then I think of the scripture that says "call upon the name of the Lord and you will be
saved"....guess for now I'll stick with that :happygrin:. James.
QuoteKnowing my luck in life I get a room in "Fawlty Towers"
Now ,what is that ?
well WW , didnt know you had that show aired in Holland, I have the complete series....brilliant, i fall off the chair everytime i watch it.
Rosey, Its a sit com starring John Cleese from back in the 70s,...hes a proprietor of a small hotel, where chaos and mayhem are the order of the day :laughing7:, all caused by HIM.
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Quote from: Taffy on November 07, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
QuoteKnowing my luck in life I get a room in "Fawlty Towers"
Now ,what is that ?
well WW , didnt know you had that show aired in Holland, I have the complete series....brilliant, i fall off the chair everytime i watch it.
Rosey, Its a sit com starring John Cleese from back in the 70s,...hes a proprietor of a small hotel, where chaos and mayhem are the order of the day :laughing7:, all caused by HIM
Si senor Taffy!
We had about 5 zillion reruns of it. Got it on DVD. But unfortunately there are only a few episodes made.
Dads Army, Are you being served, Young Ones, Bottom, Blackadder, Bean, Keeping up apreances, Fawlty Towers. I like the last two most.
The best Cleese ever did. Monty Python and all his other stuff was much less. But the greatest actor of that show was Manuel.
??? Hu? Eh? Never understood a thing. Finally a Spanish guest and he didn't understood the dialect. :laughing7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJBKhdfmAHo&feature=related
Quite a few scenes. Views of the real hotel burned down. Bloopers. Deleted scenes. I always assumed the whole show was a blooper.
Seems I have to start hunting for the bloopers and deleted scenes. I only have the 12 episodes.
/Edit
I forgot the another hilarous one. "Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em"
Thanks Molly , being saved , being still and trusting God
thats sounds simple enough , but hard to do ..hee hee :thumbsup:
Quote from: SOtW on November 07, 2008, 03:37:00 AM
QuoteI wonder which one is assured bro ?
I had a big long explanation, but I will make it simple. The one that is assured is the one in the End of all things. Where the wicked are raised alongside the righteous and God is all in all.
yes this surely will come to pass ,, thanks Craig :thumbsup:
Quote from: jabcat on November 07, 2008, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: rosered on November 07, 2008, 02:34:37 AM
Hi James so you think salvaion is forgiveness of sin ?
and for the Father to draw us to His Son /Himself
thanks I know thats the start of it , I think?
thanks for your reply bro .......
Well, yes, I believe there's a point of belief in which "behold, all things are becoming new" begins. I realize too that there's then an ongoing process of refinement/purification. Some call it sanctification, which I understand to be basically "becoming more like our Master".
I was thinking about your specific question, and thinking another, maybe even better term would be redemption. However, then I think of the scripture that says "call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved"....guess for now I'll stick with that :happygrin:. James.
Hi James ,
Yes ! a new hope within , in your heart , to be made new and different in Christ ,
very good , this is more of what I think is salvation
You keep trying and asking for His help and look for change
It is to be remade into somthing useful for Gods purpose , a good example is Pauls course /change , from a killer of the innocent , letter of the Law , thinking he was doing God a service , to sparing and showing Love ,concern firm but faithful to his conscience and the Holy Spirit working within him ... a ministry of ''healing helping a genuine concern for the welfare,to place hope in the hearts of the
lost and spiritually dying and dead to God ..
there is lots to it really ......... thanks bro
Ok Taff and Tony ,
got cha! :thumbsup: I have never seen that show , so I was in the dark on that little joke .. hee hee
seen some monty python though .. :laughing7:
Quote from: rosered on November 07, 2008, 02:12:18 PM
Ok Taff and Tony ,
got cha! :thumbsup: I have never seen that show , so I was in the dark on that little joke .. hee hee
seen some monty python though .. :laughing7:
We call it humor Rose. But for them Brits its reality TV :laughing7:
I'm a real fan of "Married with Children"
I saw Al in thriller as an inpector investigating a serial killer. He was serious and acted well. But still I had to laugh. He always will be that nutcase for me.
Just like we always will be children of God. :cloud9:
What's that? Fawlty Towers burned down? :mshock: Bloody awful!
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 07, 2008, 02:22:12 PM
Quote from: rosered on November 07, 2008, 02:12:18 PM
Ok Taff and Tony ,
got cha! :thumbsup: I have never seen that show , so I was in the dark on that little joke .. hee hee
seen some monty python though .. :laughing7:
We call it humor Rose. But for them Brits its reality TV :laughing7:
I'm a real fan of "Married with Children"
I saw Al in thriller as an inpector investigating a serial killer. He was serious and acted well. But still I had to laugh. He always will be that nutcase for me.
Just like we always will be children of God. :cloud9:
Hi Tony , humor :laughing7: LOL , yes , love the thought of it , sounds hilarious !!
I have seen a lot of there married with children episodes , and that Al is a riot ! hee hee
Yes Molly,
The sit com was filmed on location around Oxford,( about 45 miles from here) when the series ended I think it turned into a Night club, then resturant,...??? then it burnt down , its now gone being replaced by new houses...
yes ww ..only two series and twelve episodes.....
my favorite is The one with Manuels Siberian Hamster...not knowing in truth it was a Rat...
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Every aspect of our salvation is a gift from God. Repentance and faith are gifts from God. The Righteousness of God is a gift from God. The Holy Spirit, which helps believers to produce the fruits of Righteousness, is a gift from God. The fruits of Righteousness themselves are gifts from God. Our salvation is one hundred percent the work of God's grace from start to finish, and man is in no position to boast about any aspect of his salvation. All the glory goes to God.
When a person believes and accepts what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross for him and for the whole world, a powerful and wonderful transformation takes place in the person's life through the gift of the Holy Spirit. He is transformed from darkness to light, from blindness to sight, from captivity to freedom and from a child of Satan to a child of God. He receives the blessed assurance of the Holy Spirit that all of his sins, past, present and future, are forgiven, and that he stands totally righteous before God with God's Righteousness, even though he still battles with the temptations of the flesh.
Blessings
Quote from: Taffy on November 07, 2008, 02:46:03 PM
Yes Molly,
The sit com was filmed on location around Oxford,( about 45 miles from here) when the series ended I think it turned into a Night club, then resturant,...??? then it burnt down , its now gone being replaced by new houses...
yes ww ..only two series and twelve episodes.....
my favorite is The one with Manuels Siberian Hamster...not knowing in truth it was a Rat...
That episode comes in 2nd/3rd at best.
1] Episode when Basil hired a cheap contruction worker for a new door in the lounge or something like that
2] The food inspector... or was that with that rat?
Quote from: davidsulem on November 07, 2008, 02:47:23 PM
Every aspect of our salvation is a gift from God. Repentance and faith are gifts from God. The Righteousness of God is a gift from God. The Holy Spirit, which helps believers to produce the fruits of Righteousness, is a gift from God. The fruits of Righteousness themselves are gifts from God. Our salvation is one hundred percent the work of God's grace from start to finish, and man is in no position to boast about any aspect of his salvation. All the glory goes to God.
When a person believes and accepts what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross for him and for the whole world, a powerful and wonderful transformation takes place in the person's life through the gift of the Holy Spirit. He is transformed from darkness to light, from blindness to sight, from captivity to freedom and from a child of Satan to a child of God. He receives the blessed assurance of the Holy Spirit that all of his sins, past, present and future, are forgiven, and that he stands totally righteous before God with God's Righteousness, even though he still battles with the temptations of the flesh.
Blessings
Hi David /Zoe
I so believe that savlavion is a gift of God as well ,
DO you think
God sees one using the gift of grace and it pleases Him
or do you think that God puts the grace in one to use according to His good pleasure ?
this is what I wonder about often , I do see it as both really it is a if all things work togehter for the good of Gods purpose and we than realize we love Him because He has always loved us while we were yet sinners / in error /missing out
Thank you for your heartfelt reply David , I do believe this concept of salvation myself
God love ya ..Rose
Quote from: davidsulem on November 07, 2008, 02:47:23 PM
Every aspect of our salvation is a gift from God. Repentance and faith are gifts from God. The Righteousness of God is a gift from God. The Holy Spirit, which helps believers to produce the fruits of Righteousness, is a gift from God. The fruits of Righteousness themselves are gifts from God. Our salvation is one hundred percent the work of God's grace from start to finish, and man is in no position to boast about any aspect of his salvation. All the glory goes to God.
When a person believes and accepts what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross for him and for the whole world, a powerful and wonderful transformation takes place in the person's life through the gift of the Holy Spirit. He is transformed from darkness to light, from blindness to sight, from captivity to freedom and from a child of Satan to a child of God. He receives the blessed assurance of the Holy Spirit that all of his sins, past, present and future, are forgiven, and that he stands totally righteous before God with God's Righteousness, even though he still battles with the temptations of the flesh.
Blessings
:thumbsup:, "behold, all things becoming new"...many call it being born again...that moment when Jesus enters into His temple.... Awesome!