Slain from the foundation of the world

[jabcat]

So are we in agreement that he could have sinned but he did not?

Or not?

IMO, although it could be true Jesus could have sinned, I don't believe it absolutely 100% follows.  To say so may be an assumption.   Wouldnt another possibility be [Heb 4:15] that He could have been tempted so as to be able to more fully identify and empathize with our own struggles - whether He Himself could have fallen or not?  Personally, I doubt He could have, and I'd have to see scriptural facts.  (although I guess [an unsupported?] argument could be made that unless He could fall, would the temptation have the same significance it carries for us?).     Right now, for mine, as Beloved Servant said earlier, He came to do the will of His Father - my own opinion is  :laughing7:, I doubt it was the will of the Father for Jesus to sin.

Although it appears to me the scripture is a great UR verse ("will not lose any the Father has given me"), it still says He came to do God's will;   "because I have come down out of the heaven, not that I may do my will, but the will of Him who sent me."  Jn. 6:48

I'm sure there are other scrips that can be used as "proof texts", one way or another...seems the Q is, what's the concensus/reconciliation of the scriptures, which is very hard to reach most times.   :2c:

[jabcat]

Some good scrips, thoughts, and opinions here;   this writer sort of comes down somewhere "in the middle", by basically saying He could have, but that He wouldn't because He didn't have the sin nature so the temptations could not "penetrate" Him.

Could Jesus Christ have sinned?

The Bible clearly states that Jesus Christ did not sin. But during His physical life as a man on earth, could He have sinned?

Answer:
Some infer that Jesus could have sinned from Hebrews:4:15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.: "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." However, the English word "tempted" can be misleading, as it might give the impression that a desire, to some degree, to sin was resisted. The Greek for "tempted," peirazo, can be defined as "to try whether a thing can be done" (Enhanced Strong's Lexicon). The Literal Translation of the Holy Bible renders the following, "...One having been tried in all respects according to our likeness, apart from sin."

... "tempted" might give the impression of Satan having a measure of success, though the action didn't occur.
"God cannot be tempted [peirazo] by evil" (James:1:13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:). Jesus was tested but lustful desires were never stirred in His mind and heart, since "each one is tempted [peirazo] when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed." Satan is the "tempter" in that his motive is to cause us to sin. But God's motive is for us to make the right choice: "...the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test [peirazo] those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation:3:10).
Being human, theoretically Jesus could have chosen to sin. However, He was never tempted to sin, because He had the mind of God that cannot be tempted by sin. However, He did face the trials and tests common to mankind. Romans:8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: says of Christ, "He condemned sin in the flesh." ... Paul goes on to tell us that we have the power to resist sin through the indwelling of the Spirit of God.
Spirit."

Christ's life in the flesh offers an example of how to live by the laws of God. He also made possible grace and forgiveness for sin, but not a do-it-yourself method for achieving a sinless life. The Bible clearly states that no human being has led a sinless life as Jesus did (1 John:1:7-8[7]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[8]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.). The Holy Spirit does indeed offer the nature of God to be imparted, to provide spiritual understanding and motivation to obey God (Hebrews:8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:; 10:16); but we are all still human and still sin out of ignorance and weakness.

Christ came to model the way of life His followers have to live. Not only is Christ our Savior, but He is also our Brother. Far more important than whether or not He could have sinned is the fact that He never did sin. Rather, He lived a sin-free life as an example for us to follow, and died to pay the price for our sins.   ucg.org

[pneuma]

Some good scrips, thoughts, and opinions here;   this writer sort of comes down somewhere "in the middle", by basically saying He could have, but that He wouldn't because He didn't have the sin nature so the temptations could not "penetrate" Him.

Could Jesus Christ have sinned?

The Bible clearly states that Jesus Christ did not sin. But during His physical life as a man on earth, could He have sinned?

Answer:
Some infer that Jesus could have sinned from Hebrews:4:15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.: "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." However, the English word "tempted" can be misleading, as it might give the impression that a desire, to some degree, to sin was resisted. The Greek for "tempted," peirazo, can be defined as "to try whether a thing can be done" (Enhanced Strong's Lexicon). The Literal Translation of the Holy Bible renders the following, "...One having been tried in all respects according to our likeness, apart from sin."

... "tempted" might give the impression of Satan having a measure of success, though the action didn't occur.
"God cannot be tempted [peirazo] by evil" (James:1:13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:). Jesus was tested but lustful desires were never stirred in His mind and heart, since "each one is tempted [peirazo] when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed." Satan is the "tempter" in that his motive is to cause us to sin. But God's motive is for us to make the right choice: "...the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test [peirazo] those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation:3:10).
Being human, theoretically Jesus could have chosen to sin. However, He was never tempted to sin, because He had the mind of God that cannot be tempted by sin. However, He did face the trials and tests common to mankind. Romans:8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: says of Christ, "He condemned sin in the flesh." ... Paul goes on to tell us that we have the power to resist sin through the indwelling of the Spirit of God.
Spirit."

Christ's life in the flesh offers an example of how to live by the laws of God. He also made possible grace and forgiveness for sin, but not a do-it-yourself method for achieving a sinless life. The Bible clearly states that no human being has led a sinless life as Jesus did (1 John:1:7-8[7]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[8]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.). The Holy Spirit does indeed offer the nature of God to be imparted, to provide spiritual understanding and motivation to obey God (Hebrews:8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:; 10:16); but we are all still human and still sin out of ignorance and weakness.

Christ came to model the way of life His followers have to live. Not only is Christ our Savior, but He is also our Brother. Far more important than whether or not He could have sinned is the fact that He never did sin. Rather, He lived a sin-free life as an example for us to follow, and died to pay the price for our sins.   ucg.org

Tempted do do his own will instead of the Father is a temptation to sin

[Beloved Servant]

Colossians 2:9; For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete,

Can God's nature sin?

[pneuma]

Colossians 2:9; For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete,

Can God's nature sin?

We are NOT saying the Father that is in the son could have sinned, were saying Jesus the man could have sinned if He did not listen to the Father that was within Him.

[Beloved Servant]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

[pneuma]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

Well me and Jesus and the Father are one also, yet I still get tempted and fall into sin.

[thinktank]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

Jesus was the Son of God, so maybe you look at it from that angle, the He is invincible, infallible. However the Son of God is also the son of man, and is our kinsman redeemer, therefore being a man he is fallible just as Adam fell. For the man Christ Jesus is the second Adam.

[WhiteWings]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

The eternal God was dead for 3 days...

[Beloved Servant]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

The eternal God was dead for 3 days...

Of whom do you refer?

[PaoloNuevo]

Probably it's from the perspective of Eternity...

In Eternity time is NOT...

Therefore, even before the world was Created, the Lamb was already "slain" or set up to be slain; and just as Adam condemned all men. Christ secured jusfication of life for all (from the foundation of the world).

[micah7:9]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

The eternal God was dead for 3 days...

Of whom do you refer?

Yes, "of whom do you refer?" I dont understand, "The eternal God was dead for 3 days..."

[Beloved Servant]

John 10:30;

"I and the Father are one."

The eternal God was dead for 3 days...

Of whom do you refer?

Yes, "of whom do you refer?" I dont understand, "The eternal God was dead for 3 days..."

Me either, Micah.

[Beloved Servant]

Hey Card! what say you?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: About what?

[Beloved Servant]

The eternal God was dead for 3 days...

   

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I'm not sure I understand the comment either, but obviously he was talking about Jesus..... :dontknow:

[WhiteWings]

Ok, Miss Mod you asked for it :whistleshake:

It was my reply to the trinitarian reasoning why Jesus could not have sinned :laughing7:

(delete this message with free will....)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Ok, gotcha.....

[Beloved Servant]

Ok, Miss Mod you asked for it :whistleshake:

It was my reply to the trinitarian reasoning why Jesus could not have sinned :laughing7:

(delete this message with free will....)

Hi, what is trinitarian reasoning?

[micah7:9]

Ok, Miss Mod you asked for it :whistleshake:

It was my reply to the trinitarian reasoning why Jesus could not have sinned :laughing7:

(delete this message with free will....)

Hi, what is trinitarian reasoning?

Probably 90% of the christian religion :sigh:

[thinktank]

That seems a large number. The majority of trinitarians are Catholics and possibly a few other denominations.

I don't believe they have 90% of Christian share.

[WhiteWings]

You are right TT, I say 89 possibly 89.5% at max!
Seriously Wikipedia states "Nontrinitarianism refers to beliefs systems that reject the doctrine of the Trinity. They are a small minority of Christians. Various nontrinitarian views, such as adoptionism or modalism, existed in early Christianity, leading to the disputes about Christology."
I can find no exact percentage but 80-95% Trinitarians seems a good guess based on the Wikipedia quote.