No marriage in heaven....

[Lazarus Short]

Beautiful Word.  :)

Just finished reading commentaries on the above verses too, with my roommate. We`ve been at this for hours and hours trying to unwrap this mystery of betrothal/marriage to the Lamb. Wish you all could join us.....well, someday.

He is our God.  And we are so thankful for His love. (She`s over there singing songs of joy now to our King. )
:banana:
No sleep needed tonite!

This subject, "...this mystery of betrothal/marriage to the Lamb." is a HUGE theme of the Bible.  We see it in God's visits and promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, which I covered in a chapter titled "Yaweh Goes 'a Courtin'."  We see it in the way God came and took Israel away from the house of her bondage, and betrothed her at Sinai.  We see it in His anger at her waywardness, while being mostly unconcerned at the other nations doing the same.  We see it as He pronounces Israel and then Judah divorced from Him (the statements are hard to find, but are there).  We see it as the two wives/sisters are sent packing out of the land of Promise.  We see it in God's promise of eventual reconciliation.  We see it in the death of Jesus, which freed Him from the old bonds and claims, and from the impossibility of remarriage after Israel had been with other gods/husbands.  We see it in the promise of the wedding supper of the Lamb, probably the most glorious event ever in the Cosmos.

You just have to be able to see the forest as well as the trees. 

[Jordanwhite]

Brilliant posts Lazarus. You do a good job of keeping us (The Body) and The Bride (Israel) separate, even if unwittingly, in the simplicity of following Scripture. The Bride has always been Israel, we cannot be both Israel and the body. You've made some glorious remarks, I'd love to read your manuscript!

As concerns marriage in Heaven where our allotment is, I think it will pass away. I don't think we will even have the desires for connection anymore, being transformed into spiritual bodies (bodies that desires only as God so does for us, in contrast to the soulish body whose desires were made after the flesh; 1 Cor 15:44-46). Truly the former things are passing away; should all the former things be swallowed in the new or simply fade to black in fulfillment, we should rejoice, and being perfected both in spirit and body we will.

[marie glen]

Beautiful Word.  :)

Just finished reading commentaries on the above verses too, with my roommate. We`ve been at this for hours and hours trying to unwrap this mystery of betrothal/marriage to the Lamb. Wish you all could join us.....well, someday.

He is our God.  And we are so thankful for His love. (She`s over there singing songs of joy now to our King. )
:banana:
No sleep needed tonite!

       :smile: very nice..!

[eaglesway]

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,of His flesh and of His bones. 31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

It is clear in Eph 5 that to Paul the Bride is the church(assembly of the ecclesia), inclusive of Jewish believers. All those who have "betrothed themselves to Him".

[joeteekay]

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

[eaglesway]

I was just modifying my post to put that verse in it when I saw yout post Joeteekay  :thumbsup:

[Lazarus Short]

In my research on the Bride, I considered every possibility I could think of:

the church
the Church
racial Israel
spiritual Israel
the Jews
Mary Magdalene
the 144,000
a complete surprise.

After due diligence, my hypothesis [repeat, a hypothesis, so don't run with it] is that the Bride will be a corporate entity, made up of Overcomer Israelites.

[eaglesway]

Well thats a wonderful hypothesis, but in my opinion it doesnt incorporate all the scriptures, so it is wrong. ;o)

[Lazarus Short]

You didn't run with it - good!  :thumbsup:

[marie glen]

One Body, One Faith..
"..and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; not `And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, `And to thy seed,' which is Christ ...There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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...that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel...to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.. ..Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
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...for his body's sake, which is the church.. ..There is one body and one Spirit...  one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
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...For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body... Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
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Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready and there was given to her that she may be arrayed with fine linen, pure and shining, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.'

(Individually, we are Christ's brethren. But collectively, now betrothed or engaged to Him, later joined to Him in divine marriage at the marriage supper of the Lamb.)
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For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
& lo, I tell you a secret; we indeed shall not all sleep, and we all shall be changed; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trumpet, for it shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we, we shall be changed: for it behoveth this corruptible to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality; and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `Death was swallowed up by victory; where, O Death, where is thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?' and the sting of death [is] sin ...thanks, to Him who is giving us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ; so that, my brethren beloved, become ye stedfast, unmovable, abounding in the work of the Lord at all times, knowing that your labour is not vain in the Lord. (letter, like the majority of them, written to a gentile church)
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And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!"
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And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
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...did put forth his sickle to the earth, and did gather the vine of the earth, and did cast [it] to the great wine-press of the wrath of God; and trodden was the wine-press outside of the city" - Hinnom/Armegeddon/Jerusalem's gehenna
& - "marriage of the Lamb and marriage supper - Then he said to me, Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.. Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them..both small and great....And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army."
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14 for they are spirits of demons, doing signs -- which go forth unto the kings of the earth, and of the whole world, to bring them together to the battle of that great day of God the Almighty 15 `lo, I do come as a thief; happy [is] he who is watching, and keeping his garments, that he may not walk naked, and they may see his unseemliness,' 16 and they did bring them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon."

"Wherefore comfort one another with these things.." :gsmile: 

Gal 3:16,28,29 --- Eph 3:6,19-21 --- Col 1:24; Eph 4:4-5 --- from Eph  5:23-32 --- Rev  19:7,8 --- 1 Thess 4:16-17 & 1 Cor 15:51-58 --- Rev 22:17 --- Eph 1:22-23 --- Rev 14:19,20 & Revelation 19:9,11,17,18,19 & Rev 16:14-15-16

[Lazarus Short]

...For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body... Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Marie, I think the answer was in front of me the whole time, but I did not see it until I read the above.  I had thought the Church could not be the Bride, because a man does not marry his own body, does he?  After many readings, the Head of the body sinks in... :doh:

[Psalm91:4]

Thinking of the first Adam, wasn`t he male and female in the beginning of the creation of the image of God.....the female parts taken out in an operation to form Eve....so in a sense he did marry his own body when joined with Eve.

[marie glen]

I had thought the Church could not be the Bride, because a man does not marry his own body, does he?  After many readings, the Head of the body sinks in... :doh:

     oh! it took me a few minutes to know what you were saying (it wasn't computing) but `head of the marriage`! :smile:

[Jordanwhite]

As stated by the publishers of the Concordant Commentary, the following words are suggestive thoughts. It seems to me that the command to divide, rightly divide the word is quoted only nominally. There must be real divisions inherent somewhere, this is true with the figures of Body and Bride. The Concordant Expositions are very keen on rightly dividing and they have great studies on Body and Bride.

"As is the case with every exhortation in the second division of the epistle, the deportment of husbands and wives is founded on the doctrine previously developed in the first division. A reference to the framework will show that it is based on the truth of the joint body. Wives are to be subject because the man is head of the woman as Christ is Head of the body. Husbands cannot be exhorted to love their wives on the ground that the ecclesia occupies this relation to Christ, for the faithful in Israel, who have no part in the blessings of this epistle, are figured as the wife or bride, not of Christ (an official title), but of the Lamb. Hence the argument of Eden is introduced showing that husband and wife become one flesh. Christ and the ecclesia are one body. Hence the husband is exhorted to love his wife as his own body, for it is thus that Christ loves the ecclesia. What limitless love is involved in the statement, "No one at any time hates his own flesh"! Men have hated their wives: Jehovah divorced His unfaithful wife (Jer.3:8-20). But Christ is so one with the members of His body that He cannot cast them off. Thus should a husband love his own wife, who has become one flesh with him. How exultantly precious is this close relationship to Him! What could be nearer? What could be dearer? Even evil, sinful men cannot hate their own bodies. So much the more Christ cannot but love us as He loves Himself! God grant that we may drink deeply of this delicious draught!"

[marie glen]

Very nice!!  :cloud9:

I was thinking about being bride and body.. sheep.. can the eagle or hen forget their young? and thinking it's like one metaphor to describe the relationship and His faithfulness is just not enough..

But the position of "head" is demonstrated twice! :Chinscratch: He is the sustenance of the body, and the inspiration and impulse (or should be) and head of the church, and head of each one of us, and also shepherd and bishop of our soul.. (psyche`/intellect) along with fortress and high tower.. "my Rock and my Deliverer"..my song and burnt offering of praise..

[rosered]

If there is NO marriage in the resurrection, then why is the marriage of the Lamb in the resurrection?

The Hebrew word for 'know' implies marriage intimacy. Is that the meaning in Mt 7?

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Why would he say Ï have never been intimate with you, if the marriage wasn't until later?

Aren't the goals of the marriage to be 'fruitful and multiplying"?  Isn't the church now supposed to have the fruit of the Spirit? and multiply by making disciples?

Isn't marriage becoming one flesh?  So what is the body of Christ now?

  This   is awesome    !!     Now is the time    , even back than  :laughing7:

  :iagree:

  I know Paul was speaking of making them chaste   virgins for Christ  , pure minded for that intimacy    2Corh 11

1I wish that you would bear with me in a little foolishness; but indeed you are bearing with me.

2For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy;

for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.


   the 5 wise and 5 foolish parable ?   

I do believe the examples are in the scriptures  comparing spiritual     law  with spiritual   things

   I see the example of the Woman born under law  applies   , the  law is spiritual    , but we are  children underbondage      the Agars as the earthly   Jerusalem  and     as Ishmaels   according to the flesh     , those are the adopted sons      so there you go !!


Gal  4 ...3So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world.


4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,


5so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons....ABBA FATHER
as servants to sons       to the glory of God in the earth/ natural  as it is in heaven    /spiritual     and the discerning  between the two .


Now the  awesome part to me is   ,     Birthing those sons of glory      by the  MOTHER OF US ALL    NEW JERUSALEM !!  We are no longer under the elements that must be  melted  with fervent heat   , the LOVE OF GOD    and consuming fire    being  HOLY SPIRIT    pure and holy  intimacy = conception   

The heavenly one         :HeartThrob:  The true  ...Isaacs     the spirual children of Gods promise    and inherit'' all things ''  http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Isaac.html#.VTtx9yFViko

   The ones that are friends of the bridegroom represent /  the  prophets =John  the baptist   , them preachers   still exist today  as the wilderness  preachers  and friend  of Christ      ''those that prepare the way to the coming of CHRIST    , and they are   the least of the kingdom 


according to Jesus own word   here ...    We everyone are'' born of woman under the law''   or headship and authority  of HOLY SPIRIT WITNESS



Matt 11 10"This is the one about whom it is written, 'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.' 11"Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist!

Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.

  I see the kingdom of God as a spiritual realm with those  healed and given  eyes to see and ears to hear and heart to understand / perceive  and receive the promises ''  all things ''of the Spirit      as inheriting    spiritual gifts though Jesus Christ