John 5

[rosered]

Hi  :icon_flower:

This  scripture  is very interesting  to me
   I have thought that the WORD OF GOD is compared to Water of the Word and we are compared to sheep  and was wondering if anyone can see that when a messenger  sent to stir the Word /WATER  some  were healed
  it is sort of like this Fourm a pool / place  where many are  gathered from time to time  and In Gods mercy allows healing  ,


I  want to be whole /complete  by the Lord



  Do have anything , you see in this ?   thoughts / Ideas about this ?

Jhn 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda,

   having five porches.


In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving/ agitation of the water.


Bethesda = "house of mercy" or "flowing water"


Jhn 5:4 For an angel/messenger  went down into the pool, at a certain season into the pool  and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

International Standard Version (©2008)
At certain times an angel of the Lord would go down into the pool and stir up the water, and whoever stepped in first after the stirring of the water was healed of whatever disease he had.
TROUBLED
Strong's G5015 - tarassō
ταράσσω
tarassō


verb

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to agitate, trouble (a thing, by the movement of its parts to and fro)

a) to cause one inward commotion, take away his calmness of mind, disturb his equanimity

b) to disquiet, make restless

c) to stir up

d) to trouble

1) to strike one's spirit with fear and dread

e) to render anxious or distressed

f) to perplex the mind of one by suggesting scruples or doubts[/color]

[Taffy]

Hi  :icon_flower:

This  scripture  is very interesting  to me
   I have thought that the WORD OF GOD is compared to Water of the Word and we are compared to sheep  and was wondering if anyone can see that when a messenger  sent to stir the Word /WATER  some  were healed
  it is sort of like this Fourm a pool / place  where many are  gathered from time to time  and In Gods mercy allows healing  ,


I  want to be whole /complete  by the Lord



  Do have anything , you see in this ?   thoughts / Ideas about this ?

Jhn 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda,

   having five porches.


In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving/ agitation of the water.


Bethesda = "house of mercy" or "flowing water"


Jhn 5:4 For an angel/messenger  went down into the pool, at a certain season into the pool  and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

International Standard Version (©2008)
At certain times an angel of the Lord would go down into the pool and stir up the water, and whoever stepped in first after the stirring of the water was healed of whatever disease he had.
TROUBLED
Strong's G5015 - tarassō
ταράσσω
tarassō


verb

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to agitate, trouble (a thing, by the movement of its parts to and fro)

a) to cause one inward commotion, take away his calmness of mind, disturb his equanimity

b) to disquiet, make restless

c) to stir up

d) to trouble

1) to strike one's spirit with fear and dread

e) to render anxious or distressed

f) to perplex the mind of one by suggesting scruples or doubts[/color]

Hi sis

For mine ,cant see much more than What ya said..only to note ,the Man Of 38 and its Number links for Mine. to one Who Is Bound... :icon_flower:

Waters( The River of Running Water which Flows From the Belly), Five( Grace), a Pool,  Like a Lake,..Cleansing ..., purification of the Mind, Heart ,and Tongue

Which pretty Much approves what Your saying... :icon_flower:

:icon_flower:

[rosered]

  Thanks Taff , I was just wondering about the messenger / angel sent  at a certain time /season ?
seems  there are so many that come and go here  at TM  , for a time

  you seeing the man bound/paralyzed 38  years   by  FEAR ?
  No one to help him in  the waters/ Word ?
  Thanks bro :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

  Thanks Taff , I was just wondering about the messenger / angel sent  at a certain time /season ?
seems  there are so many that come and go here  at TM  , for a time

  you seeing the man bound/paralyzed 38  years   by  FEAR ?
  No one to help him in  the waters/ Word ?
  Thanks bro :icon_flower:

sis
Not looked to hard Into the Messanger \angel..thats Interesting...Of course Paul comes Stright to Mind, but Christ Is the Ultimate..BUT then Of Course theres John The B :bigGrin:

The Flesh Is what Prevents, sorta Ties with the Need For Grace,Knowing His Affliction, and Need For mercy...

Now Ya Got me Digging :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

FEAR,...Yup.....

sometimes Y say So little..and then Theres This HUGE chasm... :laughing7:



Hbr 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love

Fill In the Gaps Sis..Like ya Normally do :icon_flower:

[Molly]

1Then Eliashib the high priest rose up with his brethren the priests, and they builded the sheep gate; they sanctified it, and set up the doors of it; even unto the tower of Meah they sanctified it, unto the tower of Hananeel.

--Neh 3


"Eliashib" [the high priest]

H475
אלישׁיב
'elyâshîyb
el-yaw-sheeb'
From H410 and H7725; God will restore; Eljashib, the name of six Israelites: - Eliashib.


[unto the tower of] "Meah"
H3967
מאיה    מאה
mê'âh  mê'yâh
may-aw', may-yaw'
Probably a primitive numeral; a hundred; also as a multiplicative and a fraction: - hundred ([-fold], -th), + sixscore.


[unto the tower of] "Hananeel"

H2606
חננאל
chănan'êl
khan-an-ale'
From H2603 and H410; God has favored; Chananel, probably an Israelite, from whom a tower of Jerusalem was named: - Hananeel.



Mat 13:8
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

[Taffy]

1Then Eliashib the high priest rose up with his brethren the priests, and they builded the sheep gate; they sanctified it, and set up the doors of it; even unto the tower of Meah they sanctified it, unto the tower of Hananeel.

--Neh 3


"Eliashib" [the high priest]

H475
אלישׁיב
'elyâshîyb
el-yaw-sheeb'
From H410 and H7725; God will restore; Eljashib, the name of six Israelites: - Eliashib.


[unto the tower of] "Meah"
H3967
מאיה    מאה
mê'âh  mê'yâh
may-aw', may-yaw'
Probably a primitive numeral; a hundred; also as a multiplicative and a fraction: - hundred ([-fold], -th), + sixscore.


[unto the tower of] "Hananeel"

H2606
חננאל
chănan'êl
khan-an-ale'
From H2603 and H410; God has favored; Chananel, probably an Israelite, from whom a tower of Jerusalem was named: - Hananeel.



Mat 13:8
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Way To Go Molly :icon_flower:
any Time ya Want to Call me Taffy Is Fine...,Or Graham..leave it to you agh? :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

Hi Sis,

lol,its so goooooooood to hear your voice, ya been to still for too looooooooooooooong :happygrin:, ya been missed.

Rosey keeps me upto speed when you two get ta chatting, :icon_flower:

Its normally me who goes walkbouts, guess ya  been having some travels yourself girl

Hows that Back and  arthritus ?,,still given you problems sitting and Typing?

Anyways Ill drop you a Pm ,dont want to get told off for hyjacking Roseys Thread :HeartThrob:

:icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

[Nathan]

Hi  :icon_flower:

This  scripture  is very interesting  to me
   I have thought that the WORD OF GOD is compared to Water of the Word and we are compared to sheep  and was wondering if anyone can see that when a messenger  sent to stir the Word /WATER  some  were healed
  it is sort of like this Fourm a pool / place  where many are  gathered from time to time  and In Gods mercy allows healing  ,


I  want to be whole /complete  by the Lord



  Do have anything , you see in this ?   thoughts / Ideas about this ?

Jhn 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda,

   having five porches.


In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving/ agitation of the water.


Bethesda = "house of mercy" or "flowing water"


Jhn 5:4 For an angel/messenger  went down into the pool, at a certain season into the pool  and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

International Standard Version (©2008)
At certain times an angel of the Lord would go down into the pool and stir up the water, and whoever stepped in first after the stirring of the water was healed of whatever disease he had.
TROUBLED
Strong's G5015 - tarassō
ταράσσω
tarassō


verb

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to agitate, trouble (a thing, by the movement of its parts to and fro)

a) to cause one inward commotion, take away his calmness of mind, disturb his equanimity

b) to disquiet, make restless

c) to stir up

d) to trouble

1) to strike one's spirit with fear and dread

e) to render anxious or distressed

f) to perplex the mind of one by suggesting scruples or doubts[/color]

Fireinfolding . . .I like your handle there!

For Rosies observation . . . I thought I'd throw a couple pieces in the mix as well.  For me, the angel is not a winged being as much as it is a messenger . .and as God's ways never change, it's never the messenger that is to get the attention, but the message they bring.  So again, it's the message that stirs the waters and get's the spirit moving, healing begins to flow . . .the purpose of sharing the message is to heal the nations.

The healing comes to those who hunger the most.  There are always those that set along the banks of the river preaching about it's depth, current speed, power, clarity . . on and on, yet they never actually get in the river themselves.  So many times people become cautions when the pool is stirred . . only those that rush in without hesitancy are the ones experiencing the healing.  As the story unfolds . ..there were many accumulated around the edges and like the one Jesus picked out, they are there, but not to be healed, just to complain about never being healed.

Life comes to only those who have a hunger for life.

[Molly]

The sheep gate is the north gate of the city.  The sheep are brought to the sheep market for temple sacrifice.  The waters are to cleanse the sheep in preparation.

14Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
--John 5


The north gate of the Temple is one of the entrances of the priests who will serve at the altar..


13 Then the man said to me, "The northern and southern chambers that face the temple yard are the holy chambers where the priests who approach the LORD will eat the most holy offerings. There they will deposit the most holy offerings—the grain offerings, sin offerings, and restitution offerings—for the place is holy.  14 Once the priests have entered, they must not go out from the holy area to the outer court until they have removed the clothes they minister in, for these are holy.  They are to put on other clothes before they approach the public area."

--Eze 42



But the LORD's gate is the east gate.  This is the gate Jesus faced on the cross.  It is also the gate he used to enter Jerusalem the week before his death.



1 He led me to the gate,  the one that faces east, 2 and I saw the glory of the God of Israel  coming from the east. His voice sounded like the roar of mighty waters,  and the earth shone with His glory.  3 The vision I saw was like the one I had seen when He came to destroy the city,  and like the ones I had seen by the Chebar Canal.  I fell facedown.  4 The glory of the LORD entered the temple by way of the gate that faced east. 5 Then the Spirit lifted me up  and brought me to the inner court, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple.

--Eze 42

[Nathan]

Hi  :icon_flower:

This  scripture  is very interesting  to me
   I have thought that the WORD OF GOD is compared to Water of the Word and we are compared to sheep  and was wondering if anyone can see that when a messenger  sent to stir the Word /WATER  some  were healed
  it is sort of like this Fourm a pool / place  where many are  gathered from time to time  and In Gods mercy allows healing  ,


I  want to be whole /complete  by the Lord



  Do have anything , you see in this ?   thoughts / Ideas about this ?

Jhn 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda,

   having five porches.


In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving/ agitation of the water.


Bethesda = "house of mercy" or "flowing water"


Jhn 5:4 For an angel/messenger  went down into the pool, at a certain season into the pool  and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

International Standard Version (©2008)
At certain times an angel of the Lord would go down into the pool and stir up the water, and whoever stepped in first after the stirring of the water was healed of whatever disease he had.
TROUBLED
Strong's G5015 - tarassō
ταράσσω
tarassō


verb

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to agitate, trouble (a thing, by the movement of its parts to and fro)

a) to cause one inward commotion, take away his calmness of mind, disturb his equanimity

b) to disquiet, make restless

c) to stir up

d) to trouble

1) to strike one's spirit with fear and dread

e) to render anxious or distressed

f) to perplex the mind of one by suggesting scruples or doubts[/color]

Fireinfolding . . .I like your handle there!

For Rosies observation . . . I thought I'd throw a couple pieces in the mix as well.  For me, the angel is not a winged being as much as it is a messenger . .and as God's ways never change, it's never the messenger that is to get the attention, but the message they bring.  So again, it's the message that stirs the waters and get's the spirit moving, healing begins to flow . . .the purpose of sharing the message is to heal the nations.

The healing comes to those who hunger the most.  There are always those that set along the banks of the river preaching about it's depth, current speed, power, clarity . . on and on, yet they never actually get in the river themselves.  So many times people become cautions when the pool is stirred . . only those that rush in without hesitancy are the ones experiencing the healing.  As the story unfolds . ..there were many accumulated around the edges and like the one Jesus picked out, they are there, but not to be healed, just to complain about never being healed.

Life comes to only those who have a hunger for life.

Hey Nathan  :bigGrin: How are you bro? Did ya know you were not quoting "me" up there?  :grin: Im not even sure I even have a handle on it but the "aggitation of" the waters sure sounded inviting :bigGrin:

I do have to put my feet back into the water myself, glad its a pool and not a puddle  :grin:

Hugs in Him

Kim

Ha!  whatdya know about that!  It's a good thing I'm getting all my mistakes out now at the end of the year so next year I can start out fresh. 

Well, then it's you that I owe the thanks to for your observations  . . I loved it!

I used to be one that was satisfied with letting the river take me where it may . .as I envisioned it to be the holy spirit bringing life to the banks of my earth . . .which still can be seen that way but recently my spirit has been sort of revealing the bigger picture of just what is happen in our snapshot of God's timetable we live in.  And I sense he's calling the bride "back" to her origin . . .before the fall was introduced to our natures. Before flesh dominated spirit.  And that leads us "back" to the garden to where the river originates.  One river and it's unnamed . . not to be categorized by man, it's the spirit of I AM . . .and this one river is one and the same with the river in Revelation flowing from the throne with the tree of life on either side . . .which is the two witnesses . .which are the two anointed ones of Zechariah 4 . .heck, while I'm already wet, I'll even throw out the fact that I think they are the Word and the Spirit . .but that's just me.

At any rate, this has changed my position in my river as I sense that this river that was one, but split into four at the gate of the garden, is not just here to water my earth, but it's my avenue that gives me access to swim up-stream back to the source where the sovereign river flows . . .so the river is the same, but my quest in it has changed.

[Molly]

1 The man then brought me back toward the sanctuary's outer gate that faced east, and it was closed. 2 The LORD said to me: "This gate will remain closed. It will not be opened, and no one will enter through it, because the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered through it.  Therefore it will remain closed. 3 The prince himself will sit in the gateway to eat a meal before the LORD.  He must enter by way of the portico of the gate and go out the same way."

    4 Then the man brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the temple. I looked, and the glory of the LORD filled His temple. And I fell facedown.  5 The LORD said to me: "Son of man, pay attention;  look with your eyes and listen with your ears to everything I tell you about all the statutes and laws of the LORD's temple.  Take careful note of the entrance of the temple along with all the exits of the sanctuary.

--Eze 44



24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

--Gen 3



I am the way...No one comes to the Father except through me.
[Jn 14:6]

[Molly]

3 The prince himself will sit in the gateway to eat a meal before the LORD.  He must enter by way of the portico [porch] of the gate and go out the same way."

--Eze 44






8And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

9And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?

10And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.

11And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?

12And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.

13And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

--Luke 22




"upper room"

G508
ἀνώγεον
anōgēon
an-ogue'-eh-on
From G507 and G1093; above the ground, that is, (properly) the second floor of a building; used for a dome or a balcony on the upper story: - upper room.


G507
ἄνω
anō
an'-o
Adverb from G473; upward or on the top: - above, brim, high, up.




G1093
γῆ
gē
ghay
Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.

[Taffy]

It's sure gooooooooooooooooooood hearing your voice too even as I browsed around last night lol I felt I was walking down memory lane here. Trust me you have been missed very much too 

lol "Walkabouts" good name for them, dont 6 months seem like 10 years? Yep its my turn for a walkabout, cant say Im too crazy about being on one but I am actually glad I went on one to be informed on what might be heading our way here that we could make some preparations for the harder times ahead. Felt a bit like Noah moving with a bit of fear toward the coming situation and to prepare as I felt led to.

Good news, I am actually getting better at typing on my elbows lol but man... sometimes it feels like my elbows are on fire and my shoulders are going to fall off my upper half. I have developed calouses that help lol I still cant sit yet and Im supposing I wont anytime soon. The temptation at boards is to "join in" the discussions and I just couldnt besides I didnt have much to contribute at the time, still dont really but I absolutely miss our fellowship, I miss "tea" all day on the IM searching out the treasures of God together and the rejoicing that always followed (especially the "awe" we felt) as God graced us with His blessing, nothing better then that bro! But good things have come out to me even of God's faithfulness through this much needed time and its all kool here 

How you feeling bro? I know you persevere through more then anything I have ever had to go through and I cant possibly say I covet your situation but I can say I covet your Spirit and attitude you have facing it all. I do hope you are feeling well soon because theres nothing worse then a slow recovery accompanied by many set backs every time. God richly bless you and yours

I still cant get used to the screen name "Taffy" lol What was going through your mind with that one? 

Hyjacking??? Rosey wont mind a hyjack   I quoted Rose, whats this? No veering at all off topics or at least weaseling your way off of topics into fellowship?   

You guys are getting strict around here arent cha?  :grin:Alrighty I'll catch cha on PM, just thought I could come in and say hi without starting a thread 

Big Hugs bro

In Him

Kim

Gee, I come back and see your posting everywheres..yehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :HeartThrob: not bad for a Cripple :icon_king:

Ive just read your pm too so ill respond in there sis :icon_flower:

but that about Taffy , as we are Talking Rivers, Being born in the Capital of Wales, Cardiff, Flows the River TAFF, Therefore Taff or Taffy is a Nickname commonly given to Welsh folk.

sorta like Yanks, Canooks, Red necks etc...

:icon_flower:

You can call me what ya Wish  :HeartThrob:

[Molly]

1-6Soon another Feast came around and Jesus was back in Jerusalem.

   Near the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there was a pool, in Hebrew called Bethesda, with five alcoves. Hundreds of sick people—blind, crippled, paralyzed—were in these alcoves. One man had been an invalid there for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him stretched out by the pool and knew how long he had been there, he said, "Do you want to get well?"

7The sick man said, "Sir, when the water is stirred, I don't have anybody to put me in the pool. By the time I get there, somebody else is already in."

8-9Jesus said, "Get up, take your bedroll, start walking." The man was healed on the spot. He picked up his bedroll and walked off.

9-10That day happened to be the Sabbath. The Jews stopped the healed man and said, "It's the Sabbath. You can't carry your bedroll around. It's against the rules."

11But he told them, "The man who made me well told me to. He said, 'Take your bedroll and start walking.'"

12-13They asked, "Who gave you the order to take it up and start walking?" But the healed man didn't know, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd.

14A little later Jesus found him in the Temple and said, "You look wonderful! You're well! Don't return to a sinning life or something worse might happen."

15-16The man went back and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. That is why the Jews were out to get Jesus—because he did this kind of thing on the Sabbath.

17But Jesus defended himself. "My Father is working straight through, even on the Sabbath. So am I."

18That really set them off. The Jews were now not only out to expose him; they were out to kill him. Not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was calling God his own Father, putting himself on a level with God.

--John 5

[Taffy]

It just reminds me of "Daffy"  :grin:

I cant get past it Graham :grin: Its like it dont suit cha... Yeah I did three posts in bed and one from the other puter, but Im bored just dont expect lots of copy paste verses like I used to do and 4 feet long posts  :grin: thats an impossibility right now but I bet your relieved  :grin:

Just have to limit my responses but I wouldnt do it, it became a drag to respond because I couldnt post all I wanted to so I stopped completely, Im an all or nothing kind of gal  :girlheart:

Hugs

Kimbo

well Gramster it is Then :icon_flower:

Yeah I know ya, takes ya Ages to get those posts like ya want em ,but either way , Its good to hear ya Voice like this  :icon_flower:

Just dont go wearing yourself thin and dont get into those 72hr not stop stints you used too  :happy3:

Rose will be glad to see hear you too

:icon_flower:

[Molly]

A question, what is the number 5 symbolic of in regards to the "porches"? That always bugs me  :grin:

Fivefold ministry?

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

--Eph 4


These are all ministering angels, standing in the outer courtyard (porch) ministering to those who would receive [shall be heirs of] salvation.

[Nathan]

I'm thinking "that" births from grace as well.

[Taffy]

Ya on a Roll Molly Girl :icon_flower:

Yup I agree Nat, synonymous with Grace :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

[Molly]

1-6Soon another Feast came around and Jesus was back in Jerusalem.

   Near the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there was a pool, in Hebrew called Bethesda, with five alcoves. Hundreds of sick people—blind, crippled, paralyzed—were in these alcoves. One man had been an invalid there for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him stretched out by the pool and knew how long he had been there, he said, "Do you want to get well?"

7The sick man said, "Sir, when the water is stirred, I don't have anybody to put me in the pool. By the time I get there, somebody else is already in."

8-9Jesus said, "Get up, take your bedroll, start walking." The man was healed on the spot. He picked up his bedroll and walked off.

9-10That day happened to be the Sabbath. The Jews stopped the healed man and said, "It's the Sabbath. You can't carry your bedroll around. It's against the rules."

11But he told them, "The man who made me well told me to. He said, 'Take your bedroll and start walking.'"

12-13They asked, "Who gave you the order to take it up and start walking?" But the healed man didn't know, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd.

14A little later Jesus found him in the Temple and said, "You look wonderful! You're well! Don't return to a sinning life or something worse might happen."

15-16The man went back and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. That is why the Jews were out to get Jesus—because he did this kind of thing on the Sabbath.

17But Jesus defended himself. "My Father is working straight through, even on the Sabbath. So am I."

18That really set them off. The Jews were now not only out to expose him; they were out to kill him. Not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was calling God his own Father, putting himself on a level with God.

--John 5

I used to think the man was sinning by going into the temple because thats where Jesus adressed him about sinning, you'd think he'd walk about to him when he was with a prostitute (or something similiar) and say something like that.

That always sorta baffled me as to why the temple was the area he found him in and confronted him about sin, its like I still dont get or Im making it more complicated then what it really is (which is normally the case with me)  :grin:

Is this a test? :laughing7:


43"When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

--Mat 12

[Molly]

Hey I looked up "porches" in the OT and the porches were erected EAST of the Temple of Solomon, whats kool too is that the height of it was said to be "One hundred and twenty cubits" ...I love anything with that number in it  :grin: Thats mentioned under the definition in the Lexicon. Interestingly mans days were numbered that many and Moses died that number and its the height of that which is opposite the temple back there... what could it all mean?  :grin:

I love connect the dots lol

22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

--John 10

[Taffy]

Hey I looked up "porches" in the OT and the porches were erected EAST of the Temple of Solomon, whats kool too is that the height of it was said to be "One hundred and twenty cubits" ...I love anything with that number in it  :grin: Thats mentioned under the definition in the Lexicon. Interestingly mans days were numbered that many and Moses died that number and its the height of that which is opposite the temple back there... what could it all mean?  :grin:

I love connect the dots lol

lol, Maybe I should call ya Dotty :laughing7:

yop Moses ,The end of the LAW and the Bondage of it

YA Notice the guy was 38 or 3 bearing witness to 8,. Complete and made whole ...in the the LAST DAY , New Beginnings, which again is One set free from Bondage, witnesses everywhere sis
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[Taffy]

Think Christ didnt want him back in the temple because they were going to bring him back into bondage again? Given the inquisition that followed 

Nice catch sis :thumbsup:
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They sure didnt want to give up Moses seat without a Fight egh...menstealers for sure

[Molly]

1-6Soon another Feast came around and Jesus was back in Jerusalem.

   Near the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there was a pool, in Hebrew called Bethesda, with five alcoves. Hundreds of sick people—blind, crippled, paralyzed—were in these alcoves. One man had been an invalid there for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him stretched out by the pool and knew how long he had been there, he said, "Do you want to get well?"

7The sick man said, "Sir, when the water is stirred, I don't have anybody to put me in the pool. By the time I get there, somebody else is already in."

8-9Jesus said, "Get up, take your bedroll, start walking." The man was healed on the spot. He picked up his bedroll and walked off.

9-10That day happened to be the Sabbath. The Jews stopped the healed man and said, "It's the Sabbath. You can't carry your bedroll around. It's against the rules."

11But he told them, "The man who made me well told me to. He said, 'Take your bedroll and start walking.'"

12-13They asked, "Who gave you the order to take it up and start walking?" But the healed man didn't know, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd.

14A little later Jesus found him in the Temple and said, "You look wonderful! You're well! Don't return to a sinning life or something worse might happen."

15-16The man went back and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. That is why the Jews were out to get Jesus—because he did this kind of thing on the Sabbath.

17But Jesus defended himself. "My Father is working straight through, even on the Sabbath. So am I."

18That really set them off. The Jews were now not only out to expose him; they were out to kill him. Not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was calling God his own Father, putting himself on a level with God.

--John 5

I used to think the man was sinning by going into the temple because thats where Jesus adressed him about sinning, you'd think he'd walk about to him when he was with a prostitute (or something similiar) and say something like that.

That always sorta baffled me as to why the temple was the area he found him in and confronted him about sin, its like I still dont get or Im making it more complicated then what it really is (which is normally the case with me)  :grin:

Is this a test? :laughing7:


43"When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

--Mat 12

Hmmm this is interesting, afterall the mans condition wasnt good but speaks to the condition of a man being worse then the first, which is the "something worse coming upon you". Though I just think it odd he said that in the temple unless ofcourse its more a picture of something Im not laying hold of here.

Are you saying the temple is an arid place??  :grin:

I think he's talking about the real temple, of which the temple of Solomon is merely a likeness.



1 Kings 7:21
And he set up the pillars in the porch of the temple: and he set up the right pillar, and called the name thereof Jachin: and he set up the left pillar, and called the name thereof Boaz.



"Jachin"

H3199
יכין
yâkîyn
yaw-keen'
From H3559; he (or it) will establish; Jakin, the name of three Israelites and of a temple pillar: - Jachin.


"Boaz"

H1162
בּעז
bô‛az
bo'-az
From an unused root of uncertain meaning; Boaz, the ancestor of David; also the name of a pillar in front of the temple: - Boaz.


Boaz is the kinsman redeemer of the Book of Ruth.



8Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.

9And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.

10Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.

11And all the people that were in the gate, and the elders, said, We are witnesses. The LORD make the woman that is come into thine house like Rachel and like Leah, which two did build the house of Israel: and do thou worthily in Ephratah, and be famous in Bethlehem:12And let thy house be like the house of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the LORD shall give thee of this young woman.


--Ruth 4



PS Look at who he's redeeming, Ruth, a Gentile--



4And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

--Ruth 1

[Nathan]

Hey I looked up "porches" in the OT and the porches were erected EAST of the Temple of Solomon, whats kool too is that the height of it was said to be "One hundred and twenty cubits" ...I love anything with that number in it  :grin: Thats mentioned under the definition in the Lexicon. Interestingly mans days were numbered that many and Moses died that number and its the height of that which is opposite the temple back there... what could it all mean?  :grin:

I love connect the dots lol

Man, you've REALLY got to stick around.  What a delight it is to read your posts!

God wrestled with man for 120 years . . .did ya do the math and see that man's years multiplied by Jubillee also equals the day of the laboring man?  (6000) and it was six days that God "labored" before the 7th day manifested?  We are leaving the 6th day behind and entering into the 7th as we speak!  The year 2000 is a turning point in more ways than one. 

There were 120 in the upper room . . .it's as if God took the laboring man and transformed him into a drunken/spirit man.

This thing with the porch  is intriguing also. . . The east gate speaks to me of the entrance to resurrection life  . .east, being the rising of the Son.  There is a reference to the "kings of the east" in Revelation that cross a dried up Euphrates (fruitfulness) river this is one of the four coming out of the garden . . . that is US

Hmmm this is interesting, afterall the mans condition wasnt good but speaks to the condition of a man being worse then the first, which is the "something worse coming upon you".

His prayer and cry was over Israel who's house was swept clean "by Christ" but left empty because they rejected him.  They were left 7 times worse . . .seven being fullness and completion . . .they left themselves in a vacuum that caused them to implode on themselves.

For me, that something worse . . .was the Roman army that came a generation later.