Does God believe in us?

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Lazarus Short

#25
March 06, 2013, 06:29:26 AM
Quote from: VineBranch on March 06, 2013, 06:22:15 AM


Maybe I need more caffeine. lol

Maybe less...  :laughing7:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

Dave Corum

#27
March 06, 2013, 01:32:55 PM
The question: "Does God believe in us" I think is answered quite well in one of Gary Amirault's articles on Tentmakers website dealing with Bible translations...DRAT, I have read so many wonderful articles I can't point you to the specific one, althought I think it is the lengthy http://www.tentmaker.org/Biblematters/bestbibletranslation.htm.
The point I gleaned from Gary's article is simple and to the point - Since God hasn't given up on any of us, why are giving up?
And the reason God hasn't given up is because He loves and BELIEVES IN US.
Understand all, just my read on the article, my opinion.
But, food for thought? :footmouth:

micah7:9

#28
March 06, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
If atheists don't believe in God then why do they argue so much about what (a) God could possibly have done?

I do believe God believes in us.So much so that 2Pe 3:9  the Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation,
:dsunny:

ded2daworld

#29
March 06, 2013, 02:53:38 PM
I think it depends on what is meant by the word "believe"
Does God believe in us. Many seem to think so.

But if by believe you mean "trust in, adhere to, rely on"

I don't believe God "believes" in us at all. Jesus "didn't trust them because he knew their minds" and we all start out as enemies of God, and we are brought to him and changed by him because we can't be "trusted in, relied on, or adhered to."

Dave Corum

#30
March 06, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
Quick question ded2daworld please: IF a clay pot maker didn't believe in the clay pot he was making for a certain purpose, WHY then would he make it?

Lazarus Short

#31
March 06, 2013, 06:45:51 PM
Perhaps a better way to couch the discussion would be to say God believes in His PLAN for us.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

ded2daworld

#32
March 06, 2013, 07:19:22 PM
Because Dave, God or anybody doesn't make a clay pot to "trust in rely on or adhere to" they make a clay pot to be used. When people make a clay pot there is little, if any emotion involved. With God, he loves us, the clay pots he makes and shapes us for his own use. :Peace2:

Dave Corum

#33
March 06, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
IMO a clay pot maker (? potterer?) most certainly trusts and relies in his workmanship, especially if it were to hold precious matter (couldn't think of anything that sounded good :laughing7:  -you know the solid gas liquid stuff) More so IF he used it for his own use and didn't try to sluff off some junk on the market IMO

VineBranch

#34
March 07, 2013, 06:32:59 AM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 06, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
IMO a clay pot maker (? potterer?) most certainly trusts and relies in his workmanship, especially if it were to hold precious matter (couldn't think of anything that sounded good :laughing7:  -you know the solid gas liquid stuff) More so IF he used it for his own use and didn't try to sluff off some junk on the market IMO

Sorry Dave, that doesn't answer your own question.  Deb gave an answer and you deflected to wormanship.

I want everyone to note, I didn't ask Dave if he meant a clay pot-maker, or a clay-pot maker.  That would have been foolish.   :URWelcome:

Dave Corum

#35
March 07, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on March 07, 2013, 06:32:59 AM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 06, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
IMO a clay pot maker (? potterer?) most certainly trusts and relies in his workmanship, especially if it were to hold precious matter (couldn't think of anything that sounded good :laughing7:  -you know the solid gas liquid stuff) More so IF he used it for his own use and didn't try to sluff off some junk on the market IMO

Sorry Dave, that doesn't answer your own question.  Deb gave an answer and you deflected to wormanship.

I want everyone to note, I didn't ask Dave if he meant a clay pot-maker, or a clay-pot maker.  That would have been foolish.   :URWelcome:

I did a lot of code work in the Navy, but you have me baffled by what you wrote here.
Yet with due dilligence, I just might crack your cyrptic words. :Chinscratch:
Or, IMO, you could aid your humble brother by telling me what it is your trying to say.
Thanking you in advance. :sigh:

Lazarus Short

#36
March 07, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 07, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on March 07, 2013, 06:32:59 AM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 06, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
IMO a clay pot maker (? potterer?) most certainly trusts and relies in his workmanship, especially if it were to hold precious matter (couldn't think of anything that sounded good :laughing7:  -you know the solid gas liquid stuff) More so IF he used it for his own use and didn't try to sluff off some junk on the market IMO

Sorry Dave, that doesn't answer your own question.  Deb gave an answer and you deflected to wormanship.

I want everyone to note, I didn't ask Dave if he meant a clay pot-maker, or a clay-pot maker.  That would have been foolish.   :URWelcome:

I did a lot of code work in the Navy, but you have me baffled by what you wrote here.
Yet with due dilligence, I just might crack your cyrptic words. :Chinscratch:
Or, IMO, you could aid your humble brother by telling me what it is your trying to say.
Thanking you in advance. :sigh:

The quoted posts above could have been better written.  Watch the spelling, the grammar, the way you put forth your ideas.  Are we trying to communicate here, or not?  Above all, think first, then post.  <puts on asbestos suit>
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

Dave Corum

#37
March 07, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on March 07, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 07, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: VineBranch on March 07, 2013, 06:32:59 AM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 06, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
IMO a clay pot maker (? potterer?) most certainly trusts and relies in his workmanship, especially if it were to hold precious matter (couldn't think of anything that sounded good :laughing7:  -you know the solid gas liquid stuff) More so IF he used it for his own use and didn't try to sluff off some junk on the market IMO

Sorry Dave, that doesn't answer your own question.  Deb gave an answer and you deflected to wormanship.

I want everyone to note, I didn't ask Dave if he meant a clay pot-maker, or a clay-pot maker.  That would have been foolish.   :URWelcome:

I did a lot of code work in the Navy, but you have me baffled by what you wrote here.
Yet with due dilligence, I just might crack your cyrptic words. :Chinscratch:
Or, IMO, you could aid your humble brother by telling me what it is your trying to say.
Thanking you in advance. :sigh:

The quoted posts above could have been better written.  Watch the spelling, the grammar, the way you put forth your ideas.  Are we trying to communicate here, or not?  Above all, think first, then post.  <puts on asbestos suit>

It would certainly cause me no offense if you grasp what we are trying to say and rewrite for a better understanding, cause I'm getting lost :dontknow:

Lazarus Short

#38
March 07, 2013, 07:41:36 PM
Yeah, I'm a bit lost too - this thread has become a babblefield.  :laughing7:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

jabcat

#39
March 07, 2013, 10:46:16 PM Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 10:49:24 PM by jabcat
Quote from: Lazarus Short on March 07, 2013, 07:41:36 PM
Yeah, I'm a bit lost too - this thread has become a babblefield.  :laughing7:

We do seem to have quite a bit of wandering away from the scripture and UR/spiritual issues lately (not everyone, but seems a poster or two just sort of encourage things to wander around in irrelevancy to the board's purpose).  Could we focus in a little more please?

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...
The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2
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