could you describe an authentic case of demon possession for me?

[anti_nietzsche]

Hello,

Please if you know about authentic demon possession please tell me about it.

I have schizophrenia and sometimes I believe it could be a demon, but I do not know so I am confused. I see this little head in me sometimes that looks like myself when I still had a shaved head. Because of the illness or because of the demon I am often experiencing thought problems, ie it's like my thoughts get twisted or out of the blue when I am thinking of God I am forced to think of satan too and it's unsettling. I've also felt sinful about this but usually I think this is not from me so I am innocent here. I also became afraid of knives and seeing people because then I see images of these knives cutting into people in my mind and feel dreadful about it. I've spoken to an evangelical christian about it and she probably prayed about it successfully and I felt like strong and tender feelings of love came to me. But it was like at some point these feelings didn't come through to me fully. And that's where I saw the little head again.

I also have the question, when a man is demon possessed is that the fault of this man or only the fault of the demon and/or satan? I had another evangelical friend once who followed Derek Prince and that teacher spoke much about the mosaic law still being in effect and overall he taught a very strict christianity that was not like UR.

But that little head, it's like it has been with me for ages and I only felt it could be a demon since I talked to that evangelical girl. Previously it seemed like a normal part of me that was connected to my feelings and I felt normal about it. So I think it could also be the result of schizophrenia. I looked through the web for schizophrenia websites and they report such things too, eg some schizos live with voices they cannot avoid and it doesn't seem to be a demon but instead a broken brain. I also feel a bit paranoid about these things like I have too much fear about it and should simply acknowledge that this little head is not real but only a part of my mind that has become confused and damaged from the illness.

The remaining problem would be, my doctor tells me to take much medicine and I do not want because of bad experiences with them. I once took 4 different medicines in the same time and I felt like a zombie and could hardly do my chores where I live. And it did nothing against the little head. So by the end of the last spring I spoke with the doctor and refused 3 of the meds and only take 1 med now that I have been taking since 2003 and which I know doesn't harm me.

The head came to speak to me in 2006 when I was deciding to follow Jesus. I had begun reading in the bible and was joyful and elated and even had a prophetic dream. I was speaking about God, love and mercy to many people and then I had a dream in which I many sweet winegrapes came from my mouth. So I felt in order with Jesus and thought I would dedicate myself to spreading merciful love to all people. That was my religion and I still try to do the same now. But one day in 2006 when I was reading the bible I was coming to the verses about the Unpardonable Sin and then what looked like a naked and brutish man stood behind me and came into me. At the same time I was totally scared and got the thought "I must blaspheme the spirit now". I never did that in my mouth but from them on I had to fight with such thoughts and with being afraid of God. As the years went by the scare subsided and I more or less ignore the thought problems but I wish I could be free of them.

I had another experience, also in 2006, when I was feeling like I had done the Unpardonable Sin and saw another man with me who was dark and spoke in another language that I could not understand. He had what looked like a sharp drill and he drilled it into my forehead. And since that time I have that little head confusing me when I am thinking or leading my thoughts into evil. It's harsh and cruel sometimes.

I had the thought these two beings were evil angels aka demons and the attack with the drill caused the little head to appear in me. So that would be the third version of what could be behind this, not that I have a demon with me but that demons attacked me and damaged my mind somehow and the damage is what causes my thought problems and the little head.

I don't want to go to ET believers about these things. Maybe you have an idea what I could do. I go to church once or twice a month, usually when they serve Communion. I don't feel like i am having awful sins on my back, just some silly masturbation stuff because I have no girlfriend or wife. I am friendly to everyone that I know. I doubt God sometimes but in the same time I am suffering from that doubt and feel like I should not hate it like an evil but instead consider it part of the human suffering that many endure. And I always believe in God again and had visitations from him that I think are his sign that he is sticking it out with me. I don't have any real life UR friends though, thats why I write here sometimes. I've been told where I live from other christians that my atheistic dad who died 6 years ago would be in hell now and could not be with God. But I do not want to believe in them and found bible verses and books and articles like those on tentmaker here that speak about a more merciful God. I believe that the Cross and Resurrection in Christ redeemed all men whether they believe in Christ or not, and faith only works as a recognition of this redemption and reconciliation, and is not actually saving us, it's God's work in our lives that saves us. Basically we are all saved by God's love and grace, and faith is a gift that some have but not all, and so we should boast about Christ and not about our faith.

So please if you can, give me some advice. I do not want to suffer from this crap much longer, most of the time I am calm and can live but it's draining me and I want to be as joyful as other believers.

Thank you in advance.

Daniel

[sheila]

Hi Daniel......in some cases it is something we have done that gave them an opening ....the Holy Spirit has a few necessary things

  that it requires to come dwell in us.because it can not abide in a constantly grieved state. Masturbation[sexual immorality[ idolatry

abstaining from blood[murder/drinking blood/and being not blood guilty to the life of any man/beast,along with eating nothing

strangles[snared/trap] is a requirement for the Holy spirit to dwell in you..and the joy and peace of mind that it brings.


    Masturbation may be the 'normal" in this captive world..but it is not 'normal" and the Holy spirit can not dwell in you along with it.

   Pray the Father for forgiveness..repent and stop doing it to the very best of your ability[I know it appears as a lesser evil than

fornication.] Pray for Holy spirit and strength to resist..if you fall..repent of it immediately and resolve to continue battling it.

Father has power to deliver you from it.......and He always blesses our efforts to do only that which pleases Him.


   Only a demon in a man can Blaspheme against the Holy spirit...it is anti-christ and always seeks to drive the Holy spirit away from you.

  which is your help and healing. it will accuse/condemn you of sinning against the Holy spirit.when actually the demon is doing it.....

  the demon wants you to believe that you are cursed and 'cut off'" from God's forgiveness and healing...He doesn't want God in your

temple..cause he covets God's temple[your house/body] He is Not you..so you showed some insight in this.


   don't listen to the demon..when it puts a 'thought' in your head...rebuke it'"get behind me satan" either mentally or or verbally is at

home or alone..and bring it into captivy/subjection of Christ....Spiritual warfare is tough ..but through His Holy spirit He can enpower

you to take captive your captivity.

   Once it is either bound in your body[inactive] or out...it will oft attempt to get back in and bring 7 more stronger against you in

the way of temptation..but stand in Christ..refuse to touch yourself or do any of the things the Holy spirit has set as necessary to dwell

in you.[and you end up in a worse state]

  we are not under law..but grace..the law was written to bind sin in man's flesh from bringing forth fruit...and was a covenat curse

for disobedience.  Once Grace was given unto man...Israel was to be a blessing to all nations....and curse not...and they have no

right to even 'touch' you But the thing about these 'lawless' ones is they refuse to obey the law themselves..tempt and lead into traps

and snares His people know not the right hand from their left at times.   But God chose the 'weak and foolish' things..namely man

with his weakness in the flesh..and being easily fooled...to put the 'wise" ole serpent and his power to shame.

     

[sheila]

 thought I would share something I found interesting here.......Mental Illness snomed system..for categorizing mental disorders....

   demons spelled backwards.

[jabcat]

I see some of this similar, some I see differently.

Daniel, if you've had a moment where the Holy Spirit drew you to Jesus, and you trusted in Him as your Savior, I believe He came into you with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.  I personally believe that's permanent ("sealed with the Holy Spirit unto that day") and that satan or his demons cannot kick the Holy Spirit out.  Nothing can separate you.  I also don't believe a saved Spirit-inhabited believer can be demon possessed.  Hassled, tempted, tricked, fooled, criticized, discouraged, etc., but not ever possessed or completely controlled.  I believe after the cross - in this current age of grace- after the Holy Spirit was sent to inhabit believers, demons must work from outside a redeemed believer..not able to take over the inside, which is bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus and the new residence of God's Spirit.

I also believe there are brain dysfunctions, sometimes hereditary, sometimes caused by trauma, often a combination;  and ending up being biologic, i.e., the brain doesn't work in a healthy manner.  I believe for a non-believer that is not inhabited by the Holy Spirit, they very well may have demon/demons working through them;  or maybe not.  It could "just" be a mental illness.  For a believer, I believe demons may influence out thoughts, feelings, etc., again from the outside as a "trick", but it basically may not be what's wrong.  It could be "just' a mental illness.  I do believe though that satan siezes on our weaknesses, takes advantage of our vulnerable spots and pokes at them, causing us as much misery and difficulty as possible, exacerbating what's already wrong or not healthy with us.

Much of the same still applies as far as thinking on the good things, seeking to be filled to overflowing daily, submitting ourselves to God's leadership, confessing our sins and looking to Him for deliverance and strength.

Sometimes God takes away, sometimes He makes a way. 

Ultimately confessing that His grace is sufficient for all our weaknesses and needs

[Seth]

 :iagree: a million fold. Daniel, please listen to Jabcat. It is wise advise.

[DanielB]

You should be aware of the concept of invasive thoughts and the ironic process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironic_process_theory

Your thoughts do not necessarily represent who you are so you don't have to fear them or worry that you are evil or blaspheming or anything. Thoughts can just as easily be an expression of what you fear, what angers you, what disgusts you, etc rather than being consistent with the state of your heart. A person who despises violence can have very violent thoughts, a loving mother can have an intrusive thought of her harming her kid, etc. People also have intrusive sexual thoughts(thoughts that cause distress, that you were not trying to think about, etc) and "blasphemy" is a common invasive thought(like imagining yourself insulting God) but that is not blasphemy(if you regret it immediately or within hours then I seriously doubt you committed blasphemy). There are probably ways to cut down the amount of intrusive thoughts or at least learn to live with them without distress. One of the most important things is to simply realize that you can have thoughts uncharacteristic of you. Thoughts can just be kind of random sometimes. I don't think we can directly block out thoughts(because of the ironic process) but I think things like what TV shows we watch, what kind of entertainment we choose, what we read, etc. influences our thoughts. Sometime we directly choose our thoughts and sometimes we experience unchosen thoughts that we are not really responsible or accountable for you will likely have aggressive thoughts if you watch action movies/shows, you will likely have unchosen/unwanted gruesome thoughts if you see or watch gruesome stuff, you will likely have unwanted/unchosen sexual thoughts if you are watching movies/shows or even reading books with sexual stuff, you will likely have intrusive thoughts of insulting or rejecting God(or doing whatever you consider blasphemy) if you are afraid of accidentally committing blasphemy(but people shouldn't worry because blasphemy isn't something that is done by accident or on some tiny whim). I am not saying it is wrong to watch action movies(that is a whole different subject for discussion anyway) but that our experiences and memories(good, bad, real, or fictional) influence the thoughts that unwillfully pop into our heads.

[Seth]

Very interesting article DanielB. I've experienced that myself. I'd be worried about something and I'd force myself not to think about it, and it would seem to intensify the frequency. Interesting there's a name for it. Makes me wonder about the scripture, "take captive every thought." I used think that meant don't think certain things, but now I think it means come to some mastery over how your thoughts lead to action. I've come to the place where I have recognized that if an evil thought comes to mind, it's just a function of my flesh. I don't have to make it about me, or agree with it.

[DanielB]

Have you ever tried fasting? Some people have said that helps. I don't know how long you are supposed to fast to help schizophrenia but you may want to research that. Be careful but open minded. I am speaking of "fasting" from a medical perspective. I "fast" every day. I abstain from consuming any calories for 16 hours or longer each day(you can have water but no drinks with calories) and have an 8 hour eating window. There are definitely benefits even if it does not help your psychological state so I would recommend trying it either way. This is the video that made me decide to give it a try. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8

[DanielB]

I just made a post in this section of the forum about how to fast. Make sure your medication allows for fasting if you decide to try it.

[anti_nietzsche]

I've tried Fasting, Daniel. Currently I have started a gluten-free diet because I've read many psychiatric articles that describe how Gluten can cause brain problems. And it's helping me much. I've also once fasted fully for a week, except for water and milk coffee, and it helped. But in my group home they don't like to see it.

[rosered]

Funny     JESUS  own words . How this kind only comes out by prayer  and fasting ...

I do believe mankind  has most definitely  hidden the evil , within their hearts for a very , very long time ...

Evil comes from the EVIL ONE   working in   wicked men     Cain is that example  in the bible  from long ago ..  1 John 3Love One Another
11This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he slay him? Because his own deeds were evil, while those of his brother were righteous. 13So do not be surprised, brothers, if the world hates you....
   Now,If you don't believe Jesus , or the Bible or are constantly looking  for  reasons  and excuses  to cover up the the TRUTH  with human wisdom [that is earthly sensual and devilish ],    Than HIS WORD does not have no place in you ....
I do see  an awful lot of stumbling over the WORD  ... and the worldly wisdom is   still in blindness ...

  Evil one Request for Prayer
...2And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men; for not everyone holds to the faith. 3But the Lord is faithful, and He will strengthen you and guard you from the evil one. 4And we have confidence in the Lord that you are doing and will continue to do what we command....

Matthew 5:37
Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' Anything more comes from the evil one.

Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'

1 Corinthians 1:9
God, who has called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.

1 Thessalonians 5:24
The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it.

2 Thessalonians 2:17
encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good word and deed.

1 Peter 5:10
And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.


For me,   the confusion is  stemming from    lust  in the heart  , being  a strong desire     and confusing it with Love  , both can cause a strong and powerful overwhelming  burning of   , a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen. 

The heart ''conceives ''  forms , creates  devises plans  that take action , lust when it is  brought forth from the heart   grows  in to death , forming all this corruption     and we see massive amounts of corruption  ,  taking the truth and perverting it ...  twisting it     and making  a holy thing  SEE  EVIL .


James 1 ...14But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.

15Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death. 16Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers....

  The sin or error of covetousness , all these sins that so easily  beset us ,  being of a problem or difficulty, trouble or threaten persistently. and working death in us and not life  in us or anyone ..     that is ready to be burned as refuse   , tainted garbage ..

They are never content ,  but stay in a state of  constant   want ,  need and desire to have  , greedy ,  unthankful  and  NEVER satisfied  and   fail to glorify God .

Vexing the Holy Spirit    ,  these  Scripture speak of sins which one commits against the Holy Spirit.  Isaiah 63:10,10But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them. Matthew 12:3 1-32 (also of Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10),

  and they wanted to KILL on the Sabbath rest   and not show mercy at all , this grieves the Holy Spirit  working in us all ... judging ANY  under the law as guilty  as charged   and anything under the law of Moses is the earthly  glory that is put to shame  by the heavenly Glory to Come ,,


. 5 And haven't you read in the law of Moses that the priests on duty in the Temple may work on the Sabbath?

6 I tell you, there is one here who is even greater than the Temple! 7 But you would not have condemned my innocent disciples if you knew the meaning of this Scripture: 'I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.' 8 For the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!"Acts 5:3-9, Acts 7:51, Ephesians 4:30, I Thessalonians 5:19, and Hebrews 10:29.



Isaiah 57 ;1716"For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would grow faint before Me, And the breath of those whom I have made.

17"Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain[covetousness ] I was angry and struck him; I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart. 18"I have seen his ways, but I will heal him; I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,...

What happens after the Lord heals the beast   with  7 heads  / carnal mind/  the  enemy of the HOLY SPIRIT   and  DEATH and dead works    of the babes whose sins are forgiven  them  , for His names  sake ?

    GOD healed   , this deadly wound  by sending His   SON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST   lastly  , showing great mercy and grace   and yet   in Revelation 13  , but  rejected the mind of Christ for the    7   spirits   more wicked   found in Babylon ...CHURCH OF THE EARTH   over the TRUE CHURCH/BODY OF CHRIST  OF HEAVEN

And where is the synagog of satan   found in?   ,,   the church of pergamos  OL SATAN'S THRONE [high and lofty prideful    heights  ]  one of the  MAIN  7  churches to overcome  !

  JESUS CHRIST IS THE REWARD .....PHILADELPHIA CHURCH  The Church at Philadelphia and the Key of David (Revelation 3:7-13)That opens HEAVEN that no man can shut !!  love GOD  first and one another as you do your own selves   , pray in the SPIRIT OF LIFE   for more Life in others  ,  mercy being the  key that unlocks  every  wonderful working of Gods Holy WORD AND SPIRIT OF LIFE  FLOWING  to the outer  court , and  HEAVEN OPENED  becoming spiritual to the full  and satan cannot touch it , because your flesh is dead and he  cannot destroy what is already dead .. Faith , hope and Love being the things that remain  in the power of  TRUTH AND LIFE by THE HOLY SPIRIT   .

Lastly the  lukewarm church    , we cannot find ourselves in this  state and condition ,,,  as long as we continue to  look outside  of the kingdom of God   that is within you  or keep looking for some other place and some other time    and do not  heed the warnings  , nor  hear   or see    not take it to HEART    and BE HEALED ,     there will no understanding  it and the confusion by mixing is the lukewarm  state and  condition that all the things the DAY OF THE LORD will come upon  and be revealed  to .    BUT THE REWARD  By opening our hearts door   to Jesus Christ  is    glorious    HE CORRECTS  BY HOLY SPIRIT   WITNESS ..

  19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
Ruling over  everything  in the   world   even   the evil one..  IN   our own heart  in  the seat of authority    being with   the FATHER AND THE SON  AS ONE .
It starts with you     and  in the end  SALVATION   and every good work    God has done   in you ...  to His glory that we get to   experience /quicken   in our own mortal bodies    and LIVE  and never die as He promises  to those whom LOVE HIM   ..

[Dandelion]

Hi anti-nietzche.

I did a little research, and the research agreed with jabcat.

I will post the link. http://www.gty.org/resources/questions/QA191/can-christians-be-demonpossessed

I have listened to him on Christian radio. He seems sound.

Hope this helps to calm your concerns.

D.                           :Peace2:

[anti_nietzsche]

Dandelion, I'm not sure, he quotes Jonathan Edwards and that's raising my concerns.

Also, religious experiences ARE important and I am very much for seeking them. I had some of these too and remember them gladly and they are important to my faith. The bible is important too but I worship God himself, not a book.

[Dandelion]

Hi anti-nietzsche.

I will look into Jonathan Edwards.

As for religious experiences, I don't see where it says that they are not important. He says the Bible is the one source of truth, but, he is a Christian and that is what almost all Christian say. I don't think he is trying to negate the Holy Spirit, nor going to church, or other places where we can worship and praise God.

Catholics and Orthodox believers accept traditions and the Bible as their source of truth, but 'Christians' or those who believe those theological basics founded on the Reformation by Martin Luther, look to the Bible alone, for truth. Or, at least, that is usually the 'official' stand of those believers.

I hope this is not confusing. I believe that the Bible is the only written source of truth, but I go to many, many places of worship,  both churches and other Christian outreach; coffeehouses; Bible studies; Healing services, and so on.

I was a Catholic for 47 years, so I understand that perspective, as well.

Please feel free to ask me any other questions about the article. Hopefully, I will be able to answer them. 

D.

[anti_nietzsche]

I'm not sure, the article might be right about a spirit-filled believer being unable to be truly possessed by demons. But Jesus also exorcised Maria Magdalena 7 times and I suppose as a disciple of Jesus she was also spirit-filled. I don't understand yet what a demon is really supposed to be, if he has a spiritual body and such. The Holy Spirit in us has no body at all I guess, never thought about it. Is spirit like a substance that can be filled into someone, or is that just a way of speaking about it? And humans have spirit in them naturally, how could a demon replace it if he is only spirit too? A bottle filled with water cannot be replaced by more water or another liquid. Maybe the divine spirit and the holy spirit are yet in a third dimension and have yet another substance than demonic beings. I don't know.

And what I also do not understand, if by demons we mean evil angels then they are intelligent and self conscious and it would stand to reason why they would slip into someone and spend all their time with this person. Can you play Pokemon on a gameboy type thingie for months and years without taking breaks? That and because I had the experiences I wrote about, I think demons can cause harm with their magic abilities and assault our minds and can twist them. Or is there another kind of demons apart from evil angels? With a mind like insects perhaps? Either way the demons in the bible were able to speak and it puzzles me that they would hold out in a man for such long uninterrupted times. An evil human would become bored. I'm not sure what kind of intelligence a demon has. Or where they actually come from.

[Seth]

Mary Magdelene wasn't Spirit filled because Jesus hadn't died and been resurrected yet. The Spirit was given at Pentacost.

Romans 11:29
The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

The gift of the Spirit cannot be taken away from you if you are called and Spirit filled. That doesn't mean you can't be judged, but the Holy Spirit isn't fickle and over-sensitive. The Bible makes it clear that God holds us accountable for our own sins. We can't go blaming demon possession every time we sin.

It's like the scripture Rose quoted. Why did Cain kill Able? Because his own deeds were evil.

[sheila]

1 Cor 9;26 and 27 and every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things...so fight I as not one who beats the air.

  ch 10;3,4 and did all eat the same spiritual meat and drink the same spiritual drink,for they drank of that spiritual rock that

followed them,and that Rock was Christ. v 6 Now these things were our examples that we not lust after evil things,as they lusted.


   the spirit of man is redeemed..but there is a battle for the heart,mind and body[salvation for the soul/temple]for it is very precious

to God. we all fight this battle to bring it into subjection.And I give you all power and authority over the enemy.........

   it is not His will that sin rule over us...but that we get the mastery over it.

   the power of Christ can cast out legions of demons that have driven a man unto madness...and give him a sound mind.the power

of Christ can bind satan in the earth[your body] until He comes to judge it. what you loose on earth is loosed in heaven[your mind and

the accusor causing you much torment and no peace]

     

[sheila]

Psalms 41;2  The Lord will preserve him and keep him alive,and he shall be blessed upon the earth,and Thou wilt not deliver him

  unto the will of his enemies. The Lord will strengthen him upon the bed of sickness,thou wilt change all his bed in his sickness

   I said 'Lord be merciful unto me,heal my  soul;for I have sinned against thee."

[sheila]

we must not heal/bind up the 'wound[sin] of His people lightly.  the parable of the good Samaritan. when you see a man robbed and

wounded[robber and theives in his temple]

   you pour 'oil' Holy spirit and it's necessary things/as a rebuke..and wine of the covenant/joy of forgiveness in his sin wound.

    you suffer the 'cost' of His healing

[sheila]

we must give the redletter words/blood of Jesus first place.over all the wisdom of mental health 'so called' experts. You must not

place their words/wisdom above HIS...there is a price/cost to pay when you do this.  This is MY SON..in Him I am well pleased

     hear ye HM.

[jabcat]

Mary Magdelene wasn't Spirit filled because Jesus hadn't died and been resurrected yet. The Spirit was given at Pentacost.

Romans 11:29
The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

The gift of the Spirit cannot be taken away from you if you are called and Spirit filled. That doesn't mean you can't be judged, but the Holy Spirit isn't fickle and over-sensitive. The Bible makes it clear that God holds us accountable for our own sins. We can't go blaming demon possession every time we sin.

It's like the scripture Rose quoted. Why did Cain kill Able? Because his own deeds were evil.

I agree.  The cross and empty tomb is the critical dividing line in history, and things need to be interpreted with that in view.  Context, primary audiance, age in which things were spoken, addressing who and what primarily, etc...rightly dividing.   :2c: 

[marie glen]

I decided to reply to the opening post before reading on in the thread..

hi Daniel! (anti-nietzche), I'm sure there's been really good replies and advice, but I just had to add my own 2 cents worth.. I have a lot of experience with schizophrenia, as  have 3 siblings and other relatives who have been diagnosed with it.. My sister, especially, has talked with me quite a ibt about it, and I have seen her under the influence of hearing the voices she would hear (she passed away a couple of years ago, totally unrelated to her illness).

AS I understand it, it's important to continue with meds.. the one that doesn't harm you may be helping you to discern what voice/thoughts not to listen to (heed). As for self gratification, et makes an issue of it, but it is nowhere in God's scriptures.. forbidding I think can do more harm than good.. tho viewing others as enticement is, well, ruining the earth/nations/culture..

I think all humans get negative things broadcast to us by the fallen/rebel angels.. though of course not all our negative or wrongdoing thoughts are from them but from an imperfect nature.. even we christians as we are not perfected until His return (1 Cor 15:52)

I get strange thoughts when driving.. "what would it be like to drive over that cliff? into that lake? into that swampy area?" Now I would never ever follow through, and they are fleeting, but they come to me nevertheless -  I have learned recently to plead the blood of Jesus over such thoughts.. and any other less than good thoughts.. I will also get images when driving or even walking.. of being broadsided by another vehicle.. fun things like that.. I see them as threats.. And since I think there's creative ability in thoughts (and words) I imagine a big X over such thoughts. (And now plead the blood.)

I believe these sorts of things - like every ache and pain - oh dear, maybe it's cancer! are attempts by the enemy to get us to believe in them.. if I were to worry enough over something being cancer.. enough times.. well, "according to our faith, so be it"? Hence I plead the blood over them and quote a verse or two.. "by His stripes I am healed" - "bloved I desire above all things that you may prosper and be in health even as your soul/life/psyche/self/being prospers" - "the Lord is righteous He has cut asunder the cords of the wicked" Or my favorite "Jesus is Lord and God is love".

I've made progress... I used to call myself names (when under stress) now I will only call myself a dweeb, or silly, which I'm sure I am, so those don't bother me.. (though I'm not real sure of the Webster's definition of "dweeb")

And I do generally go through my days at least once or twice ordering all unclean spirits away.. if not from me, from my home.. loved ones.. etc.. adding "in the name of Jesus" of course.

I figure I need listen to no negative report.. no fear.. or even harassment.. "whatsoever things are lovely.. of good report, think on these things.." .."every pure and perfect thing comes down from the Father of lights.." Even when receiving correction from the Lord, it is not a voice of threat or abusive in any way.. I think this is the "discerning of spirits" - again, not that every negative thought is from a fallen angel/dark entity..

Jesus said "I give to you the authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and on all the power of the enemy, and nothing by any means shall hurt you" - I have no trouble believing by serpents and scorpions He was referring to the enemy..

Things which worry me unduly - I was having a sore throat and cough, then read a blog - coincidentally - which said if he couldn't rid himself of a sore throat and cough, ( :mshock: ) how would he tackle any bigger matters? he was experiencing the enemy in the gate" was the message he felt he was getting from the Spirit of the Lord.. well, struggle on a bit.. cold still came on.. so i quit the struggle and just left it in the Lord's hands.. what's a cold after all? (oh well. I don't know about anyone else, but it's the little things sometimes which trip me up..)

So I'm thinking to just put this whole matter in His loving hands and rest in Him concerning it.. trusting Him to take care of it and resolve it. He is so much more able than we are..

I gotta run.. grandaughter needs a ride.. and taking other grand daughter and friend to the park for a bit..

God love you!! It's not His will you/we suffer from such things.. I will keep you in my prayers..
Much love, and God bless :HeartThrob:

[Seth]

we must give the redletter words/blood of Jesus first place.over all the wisdom of mental health 'so called' experts. You must not

place their words/wisdom above HIS...there is a price/cost to pay when you do this.  This is MY SON..in Him I am well pleased

     hear ye HM.

However, Jesus never said that anytime and every time someone has mental health issues it is because of demon possession. Neither is the understanding of the science behind mental health issues a denial that demon possession can occur, or a denial that demons exist.

Hear YOU him, Sheila. The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Mary Magdelene wasn't Spirit filled because Jesus hadn't died and been resurrected yet. The Spirit was given at Pentacost.

Romans 11:29
The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

The gift of the Spirit cannot be taken away from you if you are called and Spirit filled. That doesn't mean you can't be judged, but the Holy Spirit isn't fickle and over-sensitive. The Bible makes it clear that God holds us accountable for our own sins. We can't go blaming demon possession every time we sin.

It's like the scripture Rose quoted. Why did Cain kill Able? Because his own deeds were evil.

I agree.  The cross and empty tomb is the critical dividing line in history, and things need to be interpreted with that in view.  Context, primary audiance, age in which things were spoken, addressing who and what primarily, etc...rightly dividing.   :2c: 

:thumbsup:

[sheila]

go read my first sentence in reply number1...'in some cases"

[Seth]

You said the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in him if he masturbates.