The Rapture and the end of this age

[rosered]

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Glad you can    understand me Redhotmagma  yay!!! God bless  those whom help  our brothers and sisters in the Lord !! :HeartThrob:

Its  so hard to be clear  , but I dont see anyone  taken up,  BUT Changed in a twinlking of an eye  ,    twinkle being  fast as a bolt of lightning  , and  the only ''single eye of understanding  what the Spirit is saying '


'Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Luk 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness.
darkness is the lack of understanding

[dajomaco]

Relevant?  Maybe..

humans will soon be able to upload their minds to a computer, computers nearing super-intelligence

"we'll be able to expand the scope of our intelligence a billion-fold"


http://news.yahoo.com/singularity-near-mind-uploading-2045-222426560.html

As a matter of human history the events of Noahs times are only known by those who beleive
that a half human speices exsited .
And this is said to the the sign nine times.

So here is a wierd thought all human beings can be filled with the holy spirit .
three or four Generations from now(I think it is three).
There could be a sub spieces that can not recieve the Spirit

This out side of the box

[micah7:9]

   for me its always been an inwards working   , by the power of Gods Spirit

I am going to use this  set of scriptures   to try and explain what is happing  , and NO  , I never thought like this before    the Lord come   to dwell in me .

IF   the Kingdom of God does not come with observation , but the Kingdom of God is within you

What than does it come by and with and to whom ?    By His power   in  the Spirit breath and  whom the Father seeks to worship Him in Spirit and Truth   in those deep dark hearts    and chooses to  Lighten up !

If you can see Lightning as a  revelation of pure thought  , a flash of knowing and understanding somthing that was hidden from you before    , and the devil that was cast out of heaven ,  heaven  is your mind /heart        that now Has the Mind of Christ = name written in Heaven  , your  new mind is His  name is   now owning  it .

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 


Luk 10:18   And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 


Luk 10:19   Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 
[  now we see that power over death /carnal mind , that is now in your body , but you now have the mind of Christ  , obedience to the will of God the Father
not hurt by the second death ,,,,   you body of death is already as good as dead  by Faith in Jesus Christ


Luk 10:20   Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.   

Can God make this  that simple a child can understand it ?   you are now a child/babe  of God   born again and a son  , hidden   man of the heart   towards God , name Jesus Christ /mind of Christ


Luk 10:21  In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 


Luk 10:22  All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him]. 

  the thundering and lightnings and rumblings are Gods Voice , the flashes of Lightning  are the revealing truths  , Gods Word says so  ,


Job 40:9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

Psa 77:18 The voice of thy thunder [was] in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.

Psa 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.


Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps


  our imaginary   thinks all matter of things  ,

but the Spiritual truth is   a realm of reality  if its own

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[Lazarus Short]

As a matter of human history the events of Noahs times are only known by those who beleive
that a half human speices exsited .
And this is said to the the sign nine times.

So here is a wierd thought all human beings can be filled with the holy spirit .
three or four Generations from now(I think it is three).
There could be a sub spieces that can not recieve the Spirit

This out side of the box

A "sub species that can not receive the Spirit" would tie right in with some of the weird things I have read about - the ET/greys/demons conduct strange biological/bioillogical experiments on humans and other species.  At one point I realized that their purpose was to insinuate themselves into the human genome, so as to be able to claim kinship with Jesus and escape Judgment.  If you think that is fairly far out, consider that they know their time is almost up, and they are desperate...

[dajomaco]

We are capable of recieving true love and giving true love.
We are called to love our enemies.
Kind of takes us, out of the whole decision making processes.
I love my dogs.

[jbertonbounds]

Slightly off the subject, but do you folks believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life?  As in Aliens?  From other planets?  :dontknow:  I sure hear a lot about that these days.

[ded2daworld]

I don't believe in aliens. IMO, Jesus and the angels are the only extra terrestials. People want to believe in ET's because it follows the no God needed evolutionary theory which directly contradicts Genesis and science. :Peace2:

[micah7:9]

I don't believe in aliens. IMO, Jesus and the angels are the only extra terrestials. People want to believe in ET's because it follows the no God needed evolutionary theory which directly contradicts Genesis and science. :Peace2:

:thumbsup:

[jbertonbounds]

I don't know whether to believe in aliens or not, but I definitely believe in government propaganda!

[Lazarus Short]

Slightly off the subject, but do you folks believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life?  As in Aliens?  From other planets?  :dontknow:  I sure hear a lot about that these days.

Extra-terrestrial life?  Sure - angels and God, but there are no Space Brothers.  The ET's are demons, as we see them operate in the atmosphere, under the Prince of the Power of the Air, as we see them switch from the visible realm to the invisible realm, and abduct people but are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.  Do not be deceived. 

[Lazarus Short]

I don't know whether to believe in aliens or not, but I definitely believe in government propaganda!

That reminds me of what Frank Scully, an early writer on UFO's, said back in the 1950's:  "Don't believe the Air Force - believe me!"

[jabcat]

Slightly off the subject, but do you folks believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life?  As in Aliens?  From other planets?  :dontknow:  I sure hear a lot about that these days.

Extra-terrestrial life?  Sure - angels and God, but there are no Space Brothers.  The ET's are demons, as we see them operate in the atmosphere, under the Prince of the Power of the Air, as we see them switch from the visible realm to the invisible realm, and abduct people but are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.  Do not be deceived.

:thumbsup:

[jbertonbounds]

Extra-terrestrial life?  Sure - angels and God, but there are no Space Brothers.  The ET's are demons, as we see them operate in the atmosphere, under the Prince of the Power of the Air, as we see them switch from the visible realm to the invisible realm, and abduct people but are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.  Do not be deceived.

How do you mean, stopped cold by the name of Jesus?  Are there incidents where Jesus name was mentioned and they stopped whatever they were doing?  I've never heard this before.

[Molly]

Slightly off the subject, but do you folks believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life?  As in Aliens?  From other planets?  :dontknow:  I sure hear a lot about that these days.

Extra-terrestrial life?  Sure - angels and God, but there are no Space Brothers.  The ET's are demons, as we see them operate in the atmosphere, under the Prince of the Power of the Air, as we see them switch from the visible realm to the invisible realm, and abduct people but are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.  Do not be deceived.

I'll be a second witness to that.  :thumbsup:

Demons  are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.

[Lazarus Short]

John:

What I say is founded on the book Through the Valley of Deception by Wesley M. Clark.  It is well worth finding and reading.  He states that some have escaped abduction by invoking the name of Jesus.  They are demons, not Space Brothers.

[jbertonbounds]

John:

What I say is founded on the book Through the Valley of Deception by Wesley M. Clark.  It is well worth finding and reading.  He states that some have escaped abduction by invoking the name of Jesus.  They are demons, not Space Brothers.

Very interesting indeed.  I wonder if I can find it online?

[Lazarus Short]

Amazon has it, and cheap if used is OK.  Read it, and you won't have to read a zillion other UFO books.

[marie glen]

I can't say that I'm comfortable with any of those posted choices... :dunno2:

Feel free to reply with another choice if you find it more suitable.

OK, I have gotten to the point where I have no use for synthetic theories like the secret rapture - oh just think, if too few people qualified for rapture, no one would even notice!  People disappear all the time, and at what point do we begin to suspect a secret rapture?  IMO, It's just absurd, especially in view of what the Bible has to say on the subject, something like "every eye shall see." 

As for the tribulation, I've been seeing horrible things happening in the world around me all my life, and a look at history and/or the Biblical record paints the same picture.  Ever since Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden, it's been violence, murder, natural disaster, war, plague and starvation.  Did I miss anything?  God is waiting for something before He steps in and runs the curtain down on history-as-we-know-it.  I believe that He is waiting for all the souls that are going to be born before human extinction, to be born.  I believe that He will act at the last possible moment, for the sake of the elect, and to show the whole created universe the inevitable result of living apart from His plan.  The violence, war and death are only going to escalate until this happens.  However, don't lose heart, because we live in the Time of the Toes, and the Rock Cut Out Without Hands is already set to crush the succession of human empires.  Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib - I have no use for any of it.  You'd have to convince me first that we're not already in it, and for quite a few years at that.

wow! You and I are on the same page! Jesus said in the world we would have "tribulation" always, ever since He spoke it! (And before.) The key being "in the world" this world. And in Matthew 24, the verse - "after the tribulation" - doesn't say it like that, it says "after the tribulation of those days". After the hardships in the days.. what days? From His perspective likely all the days of this world..

..I think the world will go on pretty much until collapse - natural man made collapse(s), not exactly 'judgments' of God, but consequences and results of mankind's own doings. I liked how you put it, so to borrow some of your words,

to show the whole created universe the inevitable result of living apart from Him, and His plan and blueprint. [I.e? All, in heaven and in earth, are learning - "It can't be done" (so don't bother wandering off from God and His will, for to do so can only ever end in a self-destructive puff of smoke.. the 1st or prime lessen being, God is Life and the only other thing is nonlife.??]

In 1 thess 4, it says at His return is the 1st resurrection and the changing (1 Cor 15) of the believer's who are alive in that day, from their corruptible "dusty" likeness/ mortality, to incorruptible "heavenly" likeness/immortality.. 1 Thess 4 doesn't say they will meet Jesus in the heavens, it says in the air/atmosphere, and Zechariah 14:4 tells us Jesus, when He returns, He returns to Mt Olives, from where He ascended, and from where His planetary dealings will spread out(?)
No banquet in the heavenlies while the earth and its inhabitants burn and perish below.

Oh! (I almost forgot) and our being in the days of the ten toes! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
This quoted post is as far as I got.. I haven't read below it yet, so i know I'm likely running behind! :gsmile:

[marie glen]

As a matter of human history the events of Noahs times are only known by those who beleive
that a half human speices exsited .
And this is said to the the sign nine times.

So here is a wierd thought all human beings can be filled with the holy spirit .
three or four Generations from now(I think it is three).
There could be a sub spieces that can not recieve the Spirit

This out side of the box

This reminds me of a teaching that was around for a while, maybe still is, about "the wheat and the tares", which said some were formed/created by God, the wheat, and some formed/created by the opposer.. and was a way of explaining why some perish (or burn, in some minds i suppose), and was also used as a superiority/race thing, and if i'm remembering correctly it either originated from, or went to, the painting of the Jewish folks as being the "offspring of the opposer".. that the pharisees were literal vipers rather than disobedient human beings..

Not that I think that's where you're going, or implying!! :eek:

I've always thought of the days of the nephilim as being thoroughly pagan (except for Noah). I've gotten it in my head that the religion was sex rites which evolved into child and human sacrifice, as a means to lessen the number of resulting unwanted babes. And these nephilim were the 'heroes', the 'gods' of renown in that system. And we can tell by the building of Babel Tower "to the stars" which they considered 'the gods', that it was still around, with its nephilim legends.. And today, man's 'wisdom'/adult fairy tale, of evolution as origins, prophecies (begins to prophecy) a return to looking to the stars, 'the gods' as some are seriously hypothesizing that the earth was "seeded" from these "godlike ones".. represented as serpent 'gods' (the modern day et's with large heads and eyes), who in turn - the serpent 'gods' are descended from the 'dragon gods' an even more superior race, evolution, beings, guides, benevolent spirits, masters..

(most of all? as to resembling those days, i think of the sacrificing of babes to that deemed sacred..)

....also, as resembling, is the world being one and building together.. now we're going global.. the separation of languages has been overcome.
Genesis 11:6 - "And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."
:smile: :hiya:

[marie glen]

John:

What I say is founded on the book Through the Valley of Deception by Wesley M. Clark.  It is well worth finding and reading.  He states that some have escaped abduction by invoking the name of Jesus.  They are demons, not Space Brothers.

:thumbsup: that only makes perfect sense.. L. Ron Hubbard (name? founder of scientology) and Aleister Crowley (high Satanist) did rituals to bring "other dimensional entities through a portal to the earth plane" (is how they put it). And they said they brought through a grey entity called "Lam"(?) He had a big head and the big eyes.. the only difference between his description (sketch) and the cartoonish big eyed green et's popular today is he was grey.

Yep, they're demons.. I read a book called "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind" - I think it was called, and happened across the documentary later too! (Which in it, via a recording of a so called voice and static, made a connection between the et's and the ancient 'gods' of Mesopotamia, spooky but clicked with me - as the demons of ancient Mesopotamia.) All who said they have been "abducted" by these have in common when interviewed, or receive therapy, namely, deep primal terror. Demons are our predator after all..

But must flee at the name of Jesus! :thumbsup:

P.S - jbertonbounds, LOVE the new sig!! :))

[Robert Sparks]

Slightly off the subject, but do you folks believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life?  As in Aliens?  From other planets?  :dontknow:  I sure hear a lot about that these days.

20 years before I was saved I was a New Age Ufologist. Even before I was saved I found out that "aliens" whatever they were, are liars and lied about everything. I even believed that if they were real aliens from outer space then humanity was in real trouble because there were no good ones. It was all deception. I gave up on the New Age movement as total lies and the aliens as more akin with the demonic. I left this all behind 20 years before I became a believer in Christ. Now I know that the alien presence are the fallen angels. They technically did come from "out there" and technically are "aliens" (not from earth but rather Heaven) but they were exiled here by God. The abduction experience is no different than visions caused by Angels in the Bible except these abductors are evil. The fallen angels still have angel powers and can cause visions, appear to walk through walls and change their appearance. But it's what they do in the mind that's so horrible. ufologists have no idea if the abductions are real or in the mind. These entities have an almost total access to the unsaved and their children and the abduction experience is generational. They do horrible things to them and seem to want to convince abductees that they are aliens come to save them and that Christ was either one of them or was a hologram or 1000 other things but who he actually is. These alien/fallen angels will say anything to undermine Christ yet Christians can stop an abduction experience dead in it's tracks in the name of Jesus Christ. They fear Jesus. There are hundreds of examples of this and it's considered the greatest secret in Ufology. No one will write about it for fear of losing their publishing and many have been told they will. Christians like Gary Bates @ alienintrusion writes and speaks on the subject. Christians need to know what's happening.

[dajomaco]

Slightly off the subject, but do you folks believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life?  As in Aliens?  From other planets?  :dontknow:  I sure hear a lot about that these days.

Extra-terrestrial life?  Sure - angels and God, but there are no Space Brothers.  The ET's are demons, as we see them operate in the atmosphere, under the Prince of the Power of the Air, as we see them switch from the visible realm to the invisible realm, and abduct people but are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.  Do not be deceived.

I'll be a second witness to that.  :thumbsup:

Demons  are stopped cold by the name of Jesus.

The evil spirit answered them, "I know Jesus, and I recognize Paul—but who are you?"  16 Then the man who had the evil spirit leaped on them, overpowered them all, and prevailed against them, so that they ran out of that house naked and wounded.

I do not think that making the sound gee sus has any power.
We have to assume all demons speak English
I personally do not think that Paul was taught how to respond to demons.
The demons learned the hard way to stay away from Paul. Acts 19

[sheila]

 none of the above.............. :laughing7:

[Robert Sparks]

The only thing I will say about any so called rapture is throughout the Bible God always saved his righteous from his Wrath. However he never saved his righteous from tribulation. So there is no reason to expect God to rescue anyone from any of the 2 tribulations. 1) the Tribulation and 2) the Great Tribulation. However God will save his elect from his Wrath. Most Christians have no idea what the difference is between Tribulation and Wrath because the apostate church doesn't want anyone to know.

[marie glen]

The only thing I will say about any so called rapture is throughout the Bible God always saved his righteous from his Wrath. However he never saved his righteous from tribulation. So there is no reason to expect God to rescue anyone from any of the 2 tribulations. 1) the Tribulation and 2) the Great Tribulation. However God will save his elect from his Wrath. Most Christians have no idea what the difference is between Tribulation and Wrath because the apostate church doesn't want anyone to know.

hi! It's my belief the 'church' doesn't know! I find it interesting that Jesus returns with angels and with fire.. imo, kind of like the angels gather his elect who go 'up' (then next to Mt of Olives-Zech 14:4) but as saints go 'up', the fire goes 'down'.. that the bowls/the final consequences of man's empire(s) built on sand, are not only poured out "quickly" but are concurrent.. being that final fire of this age..

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days.. they shall see the Son of man" (manchild) "returning on the clouds.. He will send His angels to gather His elect from the four corners" (directions) "under heaven.." (from Mt 24:38-41)
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