Prophecy

[sheila]

yes,it is my understanding that God will remove His lot[all mankind bought with His son's blood] off the earth and vent His wrath on the evil spirits

left behind.

   though you pass through the water and the fire.    Egypt red sea..were Egyptions represented the pharoah of this world that hold His people

  in slavery to sin.  Let my people go...with heart hardened for destruction..

   temple vessels were cleansed through water and fire.[purified]   Man's body is temple....for my spirit will not contend with man forever,in that

  he is but flesh. Father has a limit and set time,to do His work,His strange work.

[dajomaco]

yes,it is my understanding that God will remove His lot[all mankind bought with His son's blood] off the earth and vent His wrath on the evil spirits

left behind.


I know that this sounds like the script to a sci fi movie.
But it is not impossible for man now to create a vessel using DNA
We know that the demons can posses all manner of creatures.
As in the days of Noah the demons corrupted man and creatures.

[Molly]

What is interesting to me about Luke 17 is that Jesus is saying here that somewhere in the world the tribulation will look like normal days.  People will be carrying on their normal everyday activities, buying and selling, getting married, and so forth.

Of course, we keep getting a new normal, so who knows what will look normal at that time. 

At the time of Noah,  only 8 people were saved.

At the time of Sodom, it was even worse, only 3 people saved, Lot and his two daughters.

Sheila, I don't believe at the end of this age all humanity will be saved.  I believe it will follow the pattern of Noah and Sodom.   Only those in Christ, living and dead, will be saved at the end of this Age.

Although I suspect there may be some in Christ who just don't know it yet, who will also be saved.  Anyone who calls on the Name of the LORD will be saved.  [somewhere, book of Joel].

Also, I think some will enter the millennium with glorified bodies and I suspect some will enter with mortal bodies, although they might be very long lived.

That would mean immortals and mortals will be living on the earth at the same time.

I guess my point is that those watching for some huge change preceding the return of Christ might miss it.  The Tribulation might not look like what many expect it to look like.

Right now there are hard times for many and that may increase, yet the majority might just be living along marrying and giving in marriage, as normal.

Interesting also he mentions marriage, which is a big topic these days.


 
26 "When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah's day. 27 In those days, the people enjoyed banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat and the flood came and destroyed them all.  Lk 17

[jabcat]

Gospel singer who says God delivered him from homosexuality asked to not sing at a MLK celebration in the nation's capital.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/11/ex-gay-gospel-singer-removed-from-mlk-concert/?test=latestnews

[thinktank]

Gospel singer who says God delivered him from homosexuality asked to not sing at a MLK celebration in the nation's capital.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/11/ex-gay-gospel-singer-removed-from-mlk-concert/?test=latestnews

They probably sent him hate mail or threatening letters to stop him attending a memorial of a great hero. The cowards responsible should be held accountable.

[marie glen]

What is interesting to me about Luke 17 is that Jesus is saying here that somewhere in the world the tribulation will look like normal days.  People will be carrying on their normal everyday activities, buying and selling, getting married, and so forth.

Of course, we keep getting a new normal, so who knows what will look normal at that time. 

At the time of Noah,  only 8 people were saved.

At the time of Sodom, it was even worse, only 3 people saved, Lot and his two daughters.

Sheila, I don't believe at the end of this age all humanity will be saved.  I believe it will follow the pattern of Noah and Sodom.   Only those in Christ, living and dead, will be saved at the end of this Age.

Although I suspect there may be some in Christ who just don't know it yet, who will also be saved.  Anyone who calls on the Name of the LORD will be saved.  [somewhere, book of Joel].

Also, I think some will enter the millennium with glorified bodies and I suspect some will enter with mortal bodies, although they might be very long lived.

That would mean immortals and mortals will be living on the earth at the same time.

I guess my point is that those watching for some huge change preceding the return of Christ might miss it.  The Tribulation might not look like what many expect it to look like.

Right now there are hard times for many and that may increase, yet the majority might just be living along marrying and giving in marriage, as normal.

Interesting also he mentions marriage, which is a big topic these days.


 
26 "When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah's day. 27 In those days, the people enjoyed banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat and the flood came and destroyed them all.  Lk 17

:iagree: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

(those who believe saved from wrath.. but (not from tribulation/persecution) "immediately after the tribulation of those days.. will see the Son of man coming on the clouds.. and He will send out His angels to gather His elect.." Mt 24:(38-41?)
-- "He comes with angels and with fire" 2 thes (1:7?)

[sheila]

...so you don't misunderstand where I'm coming from..........the wrath that comes on those who

  are not changed in a twinkling of an eye...is the destruction of their flesh....for the destruction

of the old man of sin...opens the way for the new man to be raised in Christ..

    the rod striking the clay vessel[so that dust returns to dust] releases the spirit that it may return

to the Father......others  changed in the twinkling of an eye[all shall not die].........

    I beleive this is parrelled in the passover...where Pharoah's firstborn was slain....Pharoah's

firstborn being the natural carnal man...and blood on the doorpost with lamb/light in the

houses of Israel..being sspiritual Issrael.........releaed from servitude to the prince of this world

and deliverance into the promises of God...the Promised land being...immortality/incorruption

   the image man bears of the corrupt and the incorrupt..vessels of wrath fitted for destruction

=outer man that perishes[in all of us]  those that are in that state will have an iron rod that

shatters that vessel.

the death of sinful flesh[bruising of heel]putting to death the wicked deeds of the corrupted flesh

    crushes[obliterates] releases the hold of evil on mans spirit...that he may return unto the Faather....

and be clothed in Christ.[spirit return unto God who gave it]

    the spirit of man can be likened to the cmp of the Holy city God loves[inner man] surrounded of the

wicked[wheat blade in the midst of tares] the outer man that perishes.[sown in the midst of

corruption/spirit begins ruling in the midst of it's enemies[your own household/body in which

you dwell]..a table in the presence of your enemies[sin in your flesh]

    a tower fell and many were crushed ofit...Jesus said...think ye not that these were worse sinners

then any others..the same will happen to any who do not repent........

    anyway you cut it..our outer man must die[perish] so that the inner man may inherit the kingdom

     [who shall deliver me from this body undergoing this death]

   sodm gomorrah/the flood...shows that most men will undergo wrathful judgement of their flesh

  that the outer man perish and their spirits return unto God...and very few will not....the few

that will not..have what remains of the spirit aactive in them[remnant/elect] and will not undergo

  death[days cut short or no flesh saved/delivered ]and these are changed in a twinkling......

   Righteous Lot...tormented of the filthy ways of those who surrounded him...........Noah

righteous in the midst of a wicked generation....symbols of the inner spiritual man being preserved

while corrupt/wicked outer man destroyed.  Further evidenced when judgement come upon

  Jerusalem...those in Christ[regenerated spirit man] delivered from wrathful judgement of corrupt

outer man...that come upon Jerusalem.

   now less any of you think the wrath of God is directed against any man...you must know

that God allowed satan to overcome man[turn over to sataan] those who would not heed His

counsel direction..to teach them not to blaspheme...to bring about the destruction of their flesh

so that their spirit may be saved[return unto the Father]

  but in the end and consumation...the end of ALL flesh...He makes a quick work of judgmeent

[earth stored up for fire]   and when we behold the great reaping[falling to the earth and die]

of maany men...we must realize their spirits of these return to the Father in heaven and will

bear much spiritual fruit in heaven........for their natural carnaal man perishes as the chaff

sown as a natural body....but their inner spirit man is raised up in the image of Christ.....

         for they are like the man possessed of legion....found in their right mind through

  Christ and the free gift...when He takes away all their sin all their cause of stumbling..when

their ears hear what they had not heard...........

   at present[satan is wrathful=thus demonic madness filling the earth] and God's wrath is turned

away from man and against our oppressors[evil princes in high places]

   sos   Before I realized it,my desire set me among the royal chariots of my people...horses

and chariots of fire/spirit of Israel......and He goes forth to deliver............He shall remove

all men/life off this planet in a great deliverance...and the wicked[demons/satan] shall only have

a heap of rubble.   Then He shall set fire to the heavens/earth in a great conflagration.....that

we call LOF...that consumes wood hay stubble and evil sspirits..and dead human bodies are

consumed as fithy rags[chaff] for this earth/heavens will have fulfilled it's purpose for the

sore travail of evil that all men were exercized in...and the spirits of just men made perfect

  shall have their education completed by God[God himself finish their training]

    the spirit of man is like.....like these good figs[it is good]  I regard as good the exiles

whom I sent away[sowed in this earth] from this place to the land of the Babylonians[land of

Shinar[sin captivity] My eyes will watch over them for good[good news to all men]

  AND I WILL BRING THEM BACK[return unto my Father and Yours] to this land.  I will build

them up[tear down this temple and I shall raise it]  I will give them a heart to know me

they will be my people and I will be their God for they will return to me[spirit returns to God]

  But like the poor figs which are so bad they can not be eaten[evil spirits] I will make them

abhorrent,where-ever I banish them.

[WhiteWings]

    I beleive this is parrelled in the passover...where Pharoah's firstborn was slain....Pharoah's

firstborn being the natural carnal man...and blood on the doorpost with lamb/light in the

I searched quite a while but no longer can find the article; I've read ancient Hebrew women often gave birth in a crouched position holding the doorposts. Most houses where single room so there were no internal doors.
As said I can't find the supporting article but IF true it may have some relevance.

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  interesting.......

[Tom]

Scripture contains all the prophecy I need.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/SpiritualEndowments/index.html

[JulieTang84]

And the Spirit of LOVE and ALL TRUTH contains all the prophesy I need. Removes the need for understanding  :girlheart:


Love Julie

[sheila]

...ye search the scriptures,cause in them ye think ye have eternal life,but me ye reject, yet

the scriptures testify of me.   You say I am rich,I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing..

   but you do not realize ye are wretched,pitiful,poor blind and naked. HERE I AM! I STAND AT

  THE DOOR AND KNOCK,if anyone hears my voice and opens the door,I will come in and eat

with him,and he with me.


   just saying...self satisfaction does not foment any growth in the spirit.

[JulieTang84]

just saying...self satisfaction does not foment any growth in the spirit.

Amen!!!!     :HeartThrob:

Psa 115:11  Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.

Luk 12:12   for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say."

Gal 5:16   So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.



Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

hi all.. i think we are all the same.. the first resurrection and the 2nd resurrection.. all is going according to plan (of course) and the only reason there's the two 'classes', I think, is because you need more than one character in a convincing drama.

I think the spirit that returns to God at death is the breath (Sheila) but I agree with I think all the rest of what you posted..

I think the drama is what works to crucify the flesh.. we are all destroyed.. and then, in the election is the repentance.

I think it's the same for all of us.. first and second resurrection alike.. If it's all according to election (God's choice and doing) then why does the 2nd resurrection require any different handling than the first?

I think they will be called, and being called they will be chosen, and chosen, justified.. Is that how it goes? Is that in James...? I wonder..

..there really are no verses which say the only option, is to believe before one's death.. Is there? it's my belief people will be saved during the millennium of Jesus.. and I believe it's likely every one not saved by then, including the 2nd resurrection after it occurs, will be saved during what I think is an age of judgment / review / deeply etching upon every heart and mind inn heaven and earth the absolute knowing of good from evil (Life from death) what can be done and what simply never can.

What works, can be, can occur.. and what simply cannot.. because there is only Life in God.. and that, for all, is through and in Jesus.. i think God has revealed Himself.. and i think He said through John the Baptist.. "I am..
....the voice of one crying in the wilderness.. make straight the path of the Lord".. He has abundantly revealed Himself.. hasn't He..?

.."full of grace and truth.."

"this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.."

God has revealed Himself.. "He is Love" "Love works no ill" ..and nothing, can stay His will.. nor delay it, or affect it in any way..

He does not have to punish.. i think His wrath is merely natural results and occurrences.. He doesn't have to punish.. sin destroys, one's own flesh, or that is, one's lower w/o God nature, punishes.. proves.. brings to destruction.. because He is perfection and life (is what I think:) Any tiny small thing outside His Will is im-perfection.. nonlife.. it all speaks quite loudly.. shifting sand.. dust and ashes.. apocalypse..

..the same story.. the same drama.. same truth proven.. in every single person's life.. and also the same story in all of (human and angel) history as a whole.. God is Life.. apart from Him, nothing.

(God bless) we are all one in Him

[jbertonbounds]

..there really are no verses which say the only option, is to believe before one's death.. Is there? it's my belief people will be saved during the millennium of Jesus.. and I believe it's likely every one not saved by then, including the 2nd resurrection after it occurs, will be saved during what I think is an age of judgment / review / deeply etching upon every heart and mind inn heaven and earth the absolute knowing of good from evil (Life from death) what can be done and what simply never can.

Hello marie.
I don't know of any verse which says that is the only option.  IMO, the scriptures as a whole teach that we have three options: (1) believe, be steadfast, and received the salvation of the 1st resurrection, and reign with the Christ, (2) believe but not remain steadfast, holding on to the desires of the flesh, missing out on the glory of the Great millennium, and receive salvation after the 2nd resurrection, and (3) not believe and receive salvation after the 2nd resurrection and purification in the lake of fire.
:2c:

[Lazarus Short]

I don't know of any verse which says that is the only option.  IMO, the scriptures as a whole teach that we have three options: (1) believe, be steadfast, and received the salvation of the 1st resurrection, and reign with the Christ, (2) believe but not remain steadfast, holding on to the desires of the flesh, missing out on the glory of the Great millennium, and receive salvation after the 2nd resurrection, and (3) not believe and receive salvation after the 2nd resurrection and purification in the lake of fire.
:2c:

:iagree:

[marie glen]

..there really are no verses which say the only option, is to believe before one's death.. Is there? it's my belief people will be saved during the millennium of Jesus.. and I believe it's likely every one not saved by then, including the 2nd resurrection after it occurs, will be saved during what I think is an age of judgment / review / deeply etching upon every heart and mind inn heaven and earth the absolute knowing of good from evil (Life from death) what can be done and what simply never can.

Hello marie.
I don't know of any verse which says that is the only option.  IMO, the scriptures as a whole teach that we have three options: (1) believe, be steadfast, and received the salvation of the 1st resurrection, and reign with the Christ, (2) believe but not remain steadfast, holding on to the desires of the flesh, missing out on the glory of the Great millennium, and receive salvation after the 2nd resurrection, and (3) not believe and receive salvation after the 2nd resurrection and purification in the lake of fire.
:2c:

:smile: thanks! It's amazing how easily overlooked that little fact is (no verses saying after death all hope is lost) ..

And, perhaps that's the 'problem' the Bible doesn't really say if salvation after the 2nd resurrection, precedes or follows the LOF, the second death

but I understand there is widespread thought and tradition about the LOF in UR thought.. but I see it as worse case scenario, especially as to be one of the 'elect' relies totally upon God, not us.. so why wouldn't the rest go through the same process as the 'elect'? who can thwart God's will? why would they need a more stringent process? or less of one?

Once I started to see how the 1st advent of Jesus fulfilled the spring holy days of ancient Israel, it seemed logical the long 2nd one (3 peaks of?) would fulfill the 3 autumn holy days..

I'm partial to thinking death (2nd death) is nonlife, which to me, is backed up by death and the grave being thrown into the second death.. as then death and the grave being fully erased..  :Peace2: God bless!

[sheila]

what I perceive....after the pattern of Jesus Christ......first His baptism of repentance of sin.....

   [John's baptism] in the Jordan...coming up with Holy spirit coming upon Him and preaching healing

forgiving sins...of those who accept Him.   I beleive those who beleive in Christ are mirrored

after this pattern...who are called chosen receive Holy spirit in this realm.


   Then...the laying down of His flesh which 'become likeness of sin/sin-bearing"...and the

resurrection  of the dead..of those who died in their sins..

..thus Lord of the living[have life more abundantly now] and the Lord of the dead

..[those baptised for the dead/shall be last]

   I am the first and the Last.........ALL live unto me.  I AM the resurrection............so Jesus is

both the first and last...whether through repentance in this life..with forgiveness /Holy spirit

  given/acknowledged..in this order/called to suffer with Him..........not harmed by fiery judgement

that  suffers loss..yet is saved through fire[this world condemned saved up for fire]


   or those who die in their sins[unrepentant in this life/not called to repentaance by Him]

     or to be part of His little flock/elect in this life..or the 'other sheep He must bring/back/return

unto the Father

    John attempted to persuade Him from needing to be baptized in the Jordan..for the repentance

  of sin[He had no sin] but He said..'Let it be so,now,it is proper for us to do this to fulfill ALL

  Righteousness[symbolizing the free gift of righteousness to All men through Christ]

      those who repent in this life..and are to be patterned after Him in this life..........

    and those who with the death of their flesh who die in their sins...are resurrected

    after the pattern of His crucifixtion 3 days in grave/resurrection...........


    I beleive His 3 1/2 year ministry....shadows the 3[ 1/2] days in the grave .and 3 1/2 days

  of dead wittness's lying in streets of sodom/Egypt.

   those that are called to Him in this life....have been with Him from the beginning[first 3 1/2 days o

f His ministry..and suffer with Him for the sake of the gospel in this life.

  the last 3 1/2 days

are symbolized of His baptism into death for the sake of the dead[unquickened in this life]


   sorry I couldn't say this better.........hard to put in words..


    men unquickened in this life[not called] have free gift of righteousness/forgiveness of sin...

but the wicked have them blinded deceived[resurrection of righteous/wicked/gog's crwd..who

fight against Holy camp[those called in this life/free gift]  the fire that comes down burns up the

wood,hay,stubble and they are saved as if through fire...the Lof is the place were Jesus sends

  the wicked spirits He sperates from  those of the 2nd resurrection class..and these spirits

go into everlasting cutting off...thus gog's crowd when refined of Jesus becomes great crowd[other

sheep He must bring]men imputed righteousness through Christ..satan demons doomed/are

wicked spirit equation of resurrection of righteous/wicked


   REMEMBER HE IS THE RESURRECTION.......the first and the Last...and all that is written

and prophesied is fulfilled in Him .


  Delivering us from the wicked one/evil is His purpose...for Love is as strong as death...

   it's jealousy as unyeilding as the grave

       


 

[jabcat]

In another thread sheila posted;

"As I just did a study on the birth pangs....and at present Kerry working on a two-

state solution to peace and security in Israel[two nations in your womb?] with the given due date

of 9 months by Kerry.....will they just give birth unto disturbance? Instant destruction upon them

when they are saying'peace and security?".[

  is Perez as a son of  Ahab..making a marriage covenat with 'jezebel/babylon/catholic pope/pact?"

........the due date on April 15..blood moon."


Further comments on this?

[marie glen]

Wow, this thread "prophecy" is number one in the top ten threads as to number of views.. Began in July 2012 so not just because it's been here for ages.. I recently tried my hand at doing some images to communicate some things I believe the Holy Spirit showed me about bible prophecy and our days/ age.. I think they turned out okay so I put them up on my bible prophecy for today blog.. I'd put the link but I don't remember it! And hubbies on my computer.. it might be on my profile or one of my blogs which are linked to each other.

I've found the info very useful and perhaps someone else might find some of it interesting..

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Thanks for bringing it to the "surface" Marie....I'm sure someone will benefit from gleaning from it..... :iagree:

[sheila]

as of Feb 5 this year Mr Moon of the UN made a statement the 'stalling' of the mid-east peace talks is reproachful.  Obama wants

the presidency of the Un..and I am sure the glory of the mid-east peace agreement...having already won the Nobel Peace prize...

   the powers that be have their agenda...and our Father has His...


    Father says 'By My spirit"....and He plans on pouring out His spirit on all flesh............it is already raining/reigning.........

  and soon the floodgates of Heaven are to be opened............

   

[marie glen]

I think I agree about mr Obama.. because of two things actually, [1]what I think of as the world beast/body (rev 13:1-10) as opposed to the 'little' beast (11-18) which office is pinpointed by verse 13:13 (#'s no coincidence/mistake).. Which 13:13 is [#2] a (new?) fire brought to earth and first revealed by this office (but I think it was too big to register in ppl's mind as the fire and most expect a wand and a little fire I guess.. :dontknow:

When to me it seems like it would be hard to miss.. This always makes me want to say "scratching head" as I don't understand how it is so missed.. Same for the false prophet/teacher/teaching/theory which turned Christendom on its ear.. With its strong delusion..

The fire I'm mentioning here as 13:13 occurred in (imo) in 1945 which convinced the world to rebuild the world body( last days not yesteryear's) which had expired when it's head didn't sign on after all And it seems in rev ch 13 like the 'little' beast who at one time or another is/was in said "office" steps into the prime seat of the world beast/body and the two seem to more or less morph into one..

It's the false prophet/teaching and world body/beast which are thrown alive/active into the LOF at Jesus's return and thus at the time, no living beings thus far in the lake.. Imo :))

[sheila]

Isaaih 26;18   v17  as a woman with child that draweth near to her delivery,is in pain..and cryeth out in her pains....

   so we have been in Thy sight,O'Lord.We have been with child..we have been in pain,we have as it were brought forth wind

[note Obama inscripture on one world trade center...we..we..we. defiance.]  we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth...

neither hath the inhabitants of the world fallen.

   THY DEAD MEN SHALL LIVE...TOGATHER WITH MY DEAD BODY THEY SHALL ARISE. Awake and sing! ye that dwell in the dust

for thy dew is as the dew of herbs..and the earth shall cast out  the dead.

 

[sheila]

I can't help but ponder the 'stalling' with the angels that hold back the four winds...and the bridegroom delayeth in this scenario.

  All in God's timing these things shall be fufilled.