Grace and peace to you from[g] the One who is, who was, and who is coming; from the seven spirits[h] before His throne; 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
What does it mean the one who is coming from the seven spirits?
He had seven stars in His right hand
The seven stars are the angels[y] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands[z] are the seven churches.
Write to the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus:
"Write to the angel of the church in Smyrna:
Write to the angel of the church in Pergamum:
Write to the angel of the church in Thyatira:
Write to the angel of the church in Sardis:
Write to the angel of the church in Philadelphia:
Write to the angel of the church in Laodicea:
There are seven individual angels each individual angel is represented by an individual star
Each message is directed to be given to the Angel of each church.
How much of each message is for the individuals in each church?
How much the message is for each angel of the church?
Do the angels have any responsibility for the church they represent.
Hello dajomaco,
Actually, there is quite a lot of information on angels. These articles should answer all of your questions:
http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/ASK?sitesearch=askelm.com&q=angels&sa=Google+Search (http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/ASK?sitesearch=askelm.com&q=angels&sa=Google+Search)
Ken
No I am not asking if there is information about angels.
Are there instructions or warnings that are written in the Bible for all created beings
Good question. I think it has to do with the Holy Spirit and with this group that are contained within/distributed by the Holy Spirit.
And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
--Isa 11:2
John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;
5 and from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;
--Rev 1
Hello Dajomaco,
Perhaps this one article will answer all of your questions?
Ken
Quote from: dajomaco on June 28, 2013, 08:29:24 AM
No I am not asking if there is information about angels.
Are there instructions or warnings that are written in the Bible for all created beings
Hi Dajomaco
QuoteWhat does it mean the one who is coming from the seven spirits?
For me it Its our Lord Jesus Christ who is the Lamb of God /pure sacrifice and the chief Stone of the corner /our foundation , whom the builder rejected Our Rock Jesus /solid and true
all are titles for His name and the works plus many many more as the good shepard / our master as we are His sheep , physician / heal us and make us well
Zec 3:9 For behold
the stone that I have laid before Joshua;
upon one stone [shall be]
seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders,
stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and
seven eyes,
which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were]
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. if you read how Jesus is described here in the old and new , both witness to the same things
in Daniels vision and in Johns His eyes are described as lamps of fire , all is discriptive language and the lamps light the lampstands [ of the seven churches ] as a memorah , all things are seen as a temple pattern that God has designed from the begining to the end
the 3 outer court , inner court and Holy of Holies , this is found in every one called of God , you are the temple of the Living God , He dwells with you /us , its His Holy Spirit and the Lord Jesus Christ whom raised us from the dead , back to Life again
, I see this as very personal and very inward , many do not and thats ok , but Jesus Himself says the Kingdom of God is within you and Paul by revelation spoke that you are the temple of the living God , so I will never listen to another , my mind is set ,
as God the Almighty by His Spirit[Holy One ] and truth [Jesus Christ the Word of God made flesh] has won conquered this enemy is now reconciled with God though Christ and a child of the King and at his feet , teaching me to listen to what the Spirit is saying as the Living Word and Spirit move and breath new life within me / us , many who know exactly what I am saying today :HeartThrob:
Dan 10:6 His body also [was] like the beryl, and
his face as the appearance of lightning, and
his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and
the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. Rev 19:12 His
eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
there lots in the descriptions that go perfectly with other scriptures in the Word , by the Spirit teaching us to listen and behave :dsunny:
Hi Dajo,
here is some more , when studying the 7 churches in Asia , I find all the answers in the Word of God , it a written Word [history ] and Spoken Word / Jesus Christ the Son of Gpod and all the witnnesses ] and Living Word , when the Holy Spirit , Father and the Son dwell and show us the hidden things that no man knows , Only whom the Father chooses to make His Light /knowledge of Him Shine in
All the Book is prophecy by the Spirit of Prophecy / Jesus Christ testimony
when God made two great Lights to rule the day and night , the Day is Jesus Christ shining as the Sun / SON OF GOD , hear Him
and moses is the night the moon , the dim light in the darkness on occasion / full moons
and the stars are the messengers /angels with the Light of Christ [annoiting in them ] the oil of the Holy Spirit , lest they be messengers of satan and they are false lights , fallen from grace
here we see in Daniel and His Vision ,,,, those awaking from the dead and us too
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
this is Jesus the sevenfold SUN in Joshua
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
this is the true church of Christ Body with Israel included all gathered into Him , the 12 stars / twelve gates of the HOLY City on her head , in Josephs dream [ joseph a type of Christ even back than ] allergory the moon is she overcome by the law of moses , to be of the Day / Christ describing the 12 tribes in Rev 21
and this part the 7 angels /stars in Asia they accompanied Paul an apostle/ 12 foundations of the City to the gentiles /nations
Acts 20;4
And there accompanied him into Asia 1)Sopater of Berea; and of the Thessalonians, 2)Aristarchus and3) Secundus; and 4)Gaius of Derbe, and 5)Timotheus; and of Asia, 6)Tychicus and 7)Trophimus.
Sopater = "saviour of his father"
1) the son of Pyrhus of Berea, a companion of Paul
Aristarchus = "the best ruler"
1) a certain Christian of Thessalonica, and accompanied Paul on his third missionary journey
Secundus = "fortunate"
1) a Thessalonian Christian
Gaius = "lord"
1) a Macedonian who accompanied Paul in his travels
2) a man from Derbe who went with Paul from Corinth in his last journey to Jerusalem
3) a man of Corinth who was his host in his second sojourn in that city
4) an unknown Christian to whom John's third epistle is addressed
Timothy = "honouring God"
1) a resident of Lystra, apparently, whose father was a Greek and mother a Jewess; he was Paul's travelling companion and fellow labourer
Tychicus = "fateful"
1) an Asiatic Christian, friend and companion of the apostle Paul
Trophimus = "nutritious"
1) an Ephesian Christian, and friend of the apostle Paul
There is always more , but stopping here , I hope this helps you as it has me :friendstu:
The Lord God uses messengers and instructs. We all on this sight are so rock solid about the proper use and meaning of "hell" "forever" "everlasting" but will not or cannot get out the thinking of what "angels" are. Just by using the word "angels" instead of the proper meaning-definition "messengers"(by implication a pastor:) puts an entire different mindset.
When one today considers angels, look at what man's imagination has produced for what we think about what or who they are.
Heb 1:13 And unto which of the messengers said He ever, `Sit at My right hand, till I may make thine enemies thy footstool?'
Heb 1:14 are they not all spirits of service--for ministration being sent forth because of those about to inherit salvation?
Rev 3:1 And to the messenger of the assembly in Sardis write:
This of course is only how I have begun to understand. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 28, 2013, 05:11:11 PM
The Lord God uses messengers and instructs. We all on this sight are so rock solid about the proper use and meaning of "hell" "forever" "everlasting" but will not or cannot get out the thinking of what "angels" are. Just by using the word "angels" instead of the proper meaning-definition "messengers"(by implication a pastor:) puts an entire different mindset.
When one today considers angels, look at what man's imagination has produced for what we think about what or who they are.
Heb 1:13 And unto which of the messengers said He ever, `Sit at My right hand, till I may make thine enemies thy footstool?'
Heb 1:14 are they not all spirits of service--for ministration being sent forth because of those about to inherit salvation?
Rev 3:1 And to the messenger of the assembly in Sardis write:
This of course is only how I have begun to understand. :HeartThrob:
:dsunny:
As I also Micah !! :thumbsup:
no matter how you look at it,you can't disregard whaat is in the sciptures aabout super-natural messengers,either. He is the ruler of heaven
and earth. Now,when Jesus was speaking about the children of the resurrection..He said..they are 'like" the angels..the children of God.
so yes, Holy spirit can send men as messengers, but it's not an either/or type thing...God also has the LIBERTY to send a supernatural messenger,also.
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 05:31:10 PM
no matter how you look at it,you can't disregard whaat is in the sciptures aabout super-natural messengers,either. He is the ruler of heaven
and earth. Now,when Jesus was speaking about the children of the resurrection..He said..they are 'like" the angels..the children of God.
so yes, Holy spirit can send men as messengers, but it's not an either/or type thing...God also has the LIBERTY to send a supernatural messenger,also.
What is a "supernatural messenger"?
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 05:31:10 PM
no matter how you look at it,you can't disregard whaat is in the sciptures aabout super-natural messengers,either. He is the ruler of heaven
and earth. Now,when Jesus was speaking about the children of the resurrection..He said..they are 'like" the angels..the children of God.
so yes, Holy spirit can send men as messengers, but it's not an either/or type thing...God also has the LIBERTY to send a supernatural messenger,also.
Hi Shelia ,
Yes in the sense they are spirits and not of the earthly realm
But its God whom sets the course , We know its the Lord whom allows these spirits messengers to fulfill His own purpose , we are also as messengers of God or satan
the seven eyes of understanding in Christ / the One Stone
if the light/knowledge of God be in you , your body is full of light , but if the light be darkness , how great is that darkness , Jesus shows us this
Luk 11:34
The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness.
Mat 6:23 But if thine
eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness,
how great [is] that darkness! Paul is speaking of the healing of Jesus Christ , eyes to see ears to hear and heart to understand what the Spirit of the Living God is saying
Act 26:18 To
open their eyes, [and]
to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from
] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of
sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them,
I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 2Cr 11:13
For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel;
for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is]
no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
God has declared to Pharoah in Ezek 32
EZEK32;7 And when
I shall put thee out,
I will cover the heaven,
and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.Rev 6:13 And the
stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 8:12 And the
fourth angel sounded, and the
third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 12:4 And
his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
I see this as prophecy John speaks of the same things Daniel saw in His vision
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great,
[even] to the host of heaven;
and it cast down [some] of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
they call them angels..they appeared to the shepherds in the feild..to Peter,Paul..Mary,Elizabeth..and many many others as tesified to,in the scriptures
one ascended in a fire. John the baptists Father was struck dumb when he encountered one in the temple,until the birth of John.
the book of revelation was given by an angel of the Lord to John. Rev 1;1 The revelation of Jesus Christ,which God gave him,to show his servants
what must soon take place. HE MADE IT KNOWN BY SENDING HIS ANGEL TO HIS SERVANT JOHN.
Luk 1:11 And there appeared to him a messenger of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of the perfume,
Luk 1:12 and Zacharias, having seen, was troubled, and fear fell on him;
Luk 1:13 and the messenger said unto him, `Fear not, Zacharias, for thy supplication was heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear a son to thee, and thou shalt call his name John,
Act 7:38 `This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the messenger who is speaking to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers who did receive the living oracles to give to us;
Rev 1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it , having sent through his messenger to his servant John
Let me see if I understand you right,are you saying there are no super-natural angels? Let's not beat around the bush.
For me John also recieved revelation , like Paul from the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and all those witnesses He comes in the clouds of Glory , it was Christ speaking though whom ever He sends , we could also be one in the number , just what I see in His Word , those gathered into Him already
This is just by Jesus saying I have sent mine angel/ Paul was sent to Asia to the churches
he also has the Spirit of prophecy in him [testimony of Jesus ] as do all whom are gathered into Christ Jesus , the voices from Above
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Rev 19:1 ΒΆ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Its whatever you believe , I believe that all gathered into Christ have the same Voice and message and glorified state , by the Spirit and truth found in them
:HeartThrob:
I'm saying that when the Lord God uses or sends His message is out from His glory/power, His Spirit brings forth a messenger. For me that messenger may be a burning bush, an ass, a man/men, a voice, a dove.
I personally am not fond of the word super natural, God is Spirit and it is by/through His Spirit a thing is accomplished. :HeartThrob:
if someone wants/prefers the term messenger instead of angel,fine..and if he also see's man as messengers of God fine. But to deny super-natural
messengers akaa angels is an error.
thus,in my post I said it's not either/or..to the exclusion of .
. alright..that answers my question,Micah. no celestial angels,right. that's what I thought you were getting at.
which is an error as far as I can see.
2 Peter 2;10-12 and Jude 8-10
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 07:00:24 PM
2 Peter 2;10-12 and Jude 8-10
Well as you know , I never said that sis , they are the holy saints and holy ones , given a celestial body =Christs body ! but they , being some ,may still be covered in clay :laughing7:
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
if someone wants/prefers the term messenger instead of angel,fine..and if he also see's man as messengers of God fine. But to deny super-natural
messengers akaa angels is an error.
thus,in my post I said it's not either/or..to the exclusion of .
. alright..that answers my question,Micah. no celestial angels,right. that's what I thought you were getting at.
which is an error as far as I can see.
But there are heavenly[celestial](lofty) messengers, as far as I am concerned that means all messengers are heavenly and are Spirit.
"if someone wants/prefers the term messenger instead of angel,fine..." with that thought then there is no sense in defining hell as Gehena or the grave, pit, or Hades. Or forever, everlasting as aionian.
My reason, the definition of a word ignites the mind as to what it will consider it to be. And the word angel produces a whole different picture in man's thinking. Yeah my opinion.
2Pe 2:10 and chiefly those going behind the flesh in desire of uncleanness, and lordship despising; presumptuous, self-complacent, dignities they are not afraid to speak evil of,
2Pe 2:11 whereas messengers, in strength and power being greater, do not bear against them before the Lord an evil speaking judgment;
2Pe 2:12 and these, as irrational natural beasts, made to be caught and destroyed--in what things they are ignorant of, speaking evil--in their destruction shall be destroyed,
Jud 1:8 In like manner, nevertheless, those dreaming also the flesh indeed do defile, and lordship they put away, and dignities they speak evil of,
Jud 1:9 yet Michael, the chief messenger, when, with the devil contending, he was disputing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring up an evil-speaking judgment, but said, `The Lord rebuke thee!'
Jud 1:10 and these, as many things indeed as they have not known, they speak evil of; and as many things as naturally (as the irrational beasts) they understand, in these they are corrupted;
Angel: 3) a conventional image of a white robed figure in human form with wings and a halo. 4) a person regarded as being as beautiful, good, innocent, etc. as an angel
QuoteWhen one today considers angels, look at what man's imagination has produced for what we think about what or who they are.
I agreed with Micah here because there is a imaginary that man has worshipped angels , man has created though his mind cherubs , little fat baby cheeks and winged people , that many bow down to in churches and have lockets with certain saints pictures on them
all matter of idolatry , I never meant to cause you trouble
I am just seeing things in Gods Word I never saw before
and I do not doubt that the Jesus returning in the clouds of witnesses in Glory are a simple and very beautiful thing! just as the above post blessed me may it you also :girlheart:
Thank you, very nice. i do not seek trouble either, but there are so many obstacles to overcome that have been establish by religion and it's false and erroneous teaching.i truly believe if we as believers continue to seek in spirit and truth, tossing aside established beliefs, about things that are not what they claim they are, our growth will mature to full stature. :HeartThrob:
so now the term 'angel" is anethema? From now on.......some-one that uses the term angel is wrong..and should use messenger..and further more
there should be no distinction between a man messenger or celestial messenger..and lets not use the term super-natural anymore,either?
by the way,my brother gave me an angel figurine musicbox that plays amazing grace aas a gift years ago. and my freind a plaque
for a prayer for God to have His angels keep me...is that idolatry too.?
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
so now the term 'angel" is anethema? From now on.......some-one that uses the term angel is wrong..and should use messenger..and further more
there should be no distinction between a man messenger or celestial messenger..and lets not use the term super-natural anymore,either?
by the way,my brother gave me an angel figurine musicbox that plays amazing grace aas a gift years ago. and my freind a plaque
for a prayer for God to have His angels keep me...is that idolatry too.?
"....distinction between a man messenger or celestial messenger...."
What is the distinction?
what is the distinction between terrestial flesh and celestial flesh?
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 07:45:50 PM
what is the distinction between terrestial flesh and celestial flesh?
No. You said, "....distinction between a man messenger or celestial messenger...."
What is the distinction?
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 07:00:24 PM
2 Peter 2;10-12 and Jude 8-10
Hi Micah , I do understand what Shelia is saying as well , she is making the vaid point of the spirits in prison , held in captivity , in Peter 2 and Jude bound to the chains of darkness
I can only say these were held as slaves to SIN ! those we know as Cain were one in the number , he was the first to murder his brother , and God put a mark on him , and we know He was of the wicked one from scriptures
Jesus come to free us from sin equals death
also Babylon is a spirual prison started in Gen 10 after the flood , those before the flood
in the days of Noah were captive to sin
ruling their hearts , and Babylon is spiritual pride as well as confusion
both make prisoners
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and
is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Gen 10:10
And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Gen 11:9 Gen 4;15 Therefore
is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. but they are now by Rev 18 bound in the cage /trap that the VOICE says come out of her my people lest you recieve her plaguges
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slays Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD
set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
1Jo 3:12 Not as
Cain, [who]
was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
By
which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water the list of those written in the books of records has many names that are blotted out from under heaven , because Jesus did preach to them , some were by the mouth of God though Noah , many examples in the Word . :girlheart:
This is just my own thoughts
I will agree.
I can only say these were held as slaves to SIN ! those we know as Cain were one in the number , he was the first to murder his brother , and God put a mark on him , and we know He was of the wicked one from scriptures
Jesus come to free us from sin equals death
also Babylon is a spirual prison started in Gen 10 after the flood , those before the flood
in the days of Noah were captive to sin
ruling their hearts , and Babylon is spiritual pride as well as confusion
both make prisoners
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Gen 11:9 Gen 4;15 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. but they are now by Rev 18 bound in the cage /trap that the VOICE says come out of her my people lest you recieve her plaguges
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slays Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water
the list of those written in the books of records has many names that are blotted out from under heaven , because Jesus did preach to them , some were by the mouth of God though Noah , many examples in the Word .
This is just my own thoughts
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 28, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
I will agree.
QuoteThis is just my own thoughts
You agree , What that they are just my thoughts ? :laughing7:
Its ok , we are all in differnt places and differnt thinking , I need all the members to work well and together as One and Jesus Christ is the head of all authority power and principality
so I will love all as He askes of me , because Love is the greatest thing one can do to please God :HeartThrob:
Do they have Dignity
The respect and honor associated with an important position.
The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
Indignant is from Latin indignus "unworthy," and it refers to anger based on unworthy or unfair behavior rather than merely injury to one's own interests. You may be angry, even furious, if someone shoves you, but you are indignant if the shove is directed at someone weak or helpless. The related noun is indignation, and something that arouses indignation is an indignity
Quote from: sheila on June 28, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
so now the term 'angel" is anethema? From now on.......some-one that uses the term angel is wrong..and should use messenger..and further more
there should be no distinction between a man messenger or celestial messenger..and lets not use the term super-natural anymore,either?
by the way,my brother gave me an angel figurine musicbox that plays amazing grace aas a gift years ago. and my freind a plaque
for a prayer for God to have His angels keep me...is that idolatry too.?
Sheila, I met an angel once. He looked like a man, neatly dressed in a suit and tie, not very tall, every hair in place, handsome, but he did something supernatural, something which no human man could do, and he saved my baby. He spoke to me, and then just kind of disappeared, not right before my eyes exactly, but suddenly he was gone and I hadn't seen where.
Yes, supernatural, celestial beings called angels most certainly do exist, for I have witnessed it with my own eyes.
I won't say what happened before this crowd, because it is one of the most precious experiences of my life.
"this crowd,..." How am I, a member of "this crowd," supposed to react, I feel somewhat dissed? :dunno:
If I have in anyway denied that the Lord God does not use His Spirit to perform acts of greatness, aid, or generosity or for that matter for evil or disarray, through all or any of His creation in anyway He chooses, I will offer an apology. I believe that He sends and uses His messengers in may forms and ways. He works in and through Spirit. All that I offered was, what I believe to a stumbling block in understanding of how man builds his witness. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 28, 2013, 07:24:08 PM
Thank you, very nice. i do not seek trouble either, but there are so many obstacles to overcome that have been establish by religion and it's false and erroneous teaching.i truly believe if we as believers continue to seek in spirit and truth, tossing aside established beliefs, about things that are not what they claim they are, our growth will mature to full stature. :HeartThrob:
And, you, Micah, are going to overcome all those obstacles for us that, according to you, have been established by religion--right?
And, you, only, have all the truth that religion does not have, and you are going to insist we agree with you because only you have truth--right?
Because you alone are going to take the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives--right?
Good thing we have you around, Micah. My goodness, none of us would ever see truth--because obviously the Holy Spirit could never show it to us.
Quote from: Molly on June 28, 2013, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 28, 2013, 07:24:08 PM
Thank you, very nice. i do not seek trouble either, but there are so many obstacles to overcome that have been establish by religion and it's false and erroneous teaching.i truly believe if we as believers continue to seek in spirit and truth, tossing aside established beliefs, about things that are not what they claim they are, our growth will mature to full stature. :HeartThrob:
And, you, Micah, are going to overcome all those obstacles for us that, according to you, have been established by religion--right?
And, you, only, have all the truth that religion does not have, and you are going to insist we agree with you because only you have truth--right?
Because you alone are going to take the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives--right?
Good thing we have you around, Micah. My goodness, none of us would ever see truth--because obviously the Holy Spirit could never show it to us.
Since you Molly went there, I am sure that maybe the same should be said of you and your "mollybible?" :sigh:
My mollyBible goes on the shelf right next to your micahBible.
I keep telling you that 'messenger' is only one of the definitions for the Hebrew word Malak.
Another definition is angel.
An angel is a supernatural, celestial being, not a human being.
But, you like 'messenger' and insist everyone use 'messenger' because according to you that is all they are.
If the angel I met was a messenger, then his message to me was God loves you and your baby, and His holy angels are always beside you, to protect and preserve you. The angel I met did not say that, he demonstrated it.
If you have never met one, you are not qualified to speak against it.
Quote from: Molly on June 28, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
My mollyBible goes on the shelf right next to your micahBible.
I keep telling you that 'messenger' is only one of the definitions for the Hebrew word Malak.
Another definition is angel.
An angel is a supernatural, celestial being, not a human being.
But, you like 'messenger' and insist everyone use 'messenger' because according to you that is all they are.
If the angel I met was a messenger, then his message to me was God loves you and your baby, and His holy angels are always beside you, to protect and preserve you. The angel I met did not say that, he demonstrated it.
If you have never met one, you are not qualified to speak against it.
I don't believe I said I had a "micahbible." But you refered to you having a "mollybible."
My experiences from the Lord helping me in times of trial and distress and in lifting me up have been 3 times. I knew it was the Lord who helped me each time, I had no visible image, but there was great calm and piece and rest and all that I heard within my being was "see." It was not audible to my human ear, still I heard the word. :HeartThrob: I am sorry your assumption was wrong.
Well some of us have had other experiences, which include visible appearances of angels,-- supernatural, celestial beings.
Just because you haven't had one does not mean that angels do not exist,--they do, just the way religion and our Bible say they exist.
Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
--Mat 26:53
:doh:
I started this threat with a bizarre thought.
The first thing God wrote was the mark he put on Cain.
So that any one even if they were inspired by Satan,
they would not kill Cain I believe all murder is inspired by Satan.
So my original question is are there passages in the bible that angels
good or bad find out information by reading scriptures or by hearing scriptures read.
Part two of my question is the Tower of babble;
with the confusion of languages and the resulting marks and scribbles
that represent that particular language have a significance.
The torah was written and read for thousands of years yet it wasn't
until Paul had his Damascus road experience that any one could see what was really written.
Quote from: dajomaco on June 29, 2013, 02:28:55 AM
I started this threat with a bizarre thought.
The first thing God wrote was the mark he put on Cain.
So that any one even if they were inspired by Satan,
they would not kill Cain I believe all murder is inspired by Satan.
So my original question is are there passages in the bible that angels
good or bad find out information by reading scriptures or by hearing scriptures read.
Part two of my question is the Tower of babble;
with the confusion of languages and the resulting marks and scribbles
that represent that particular language have a significance.
The torah was written and read for thousands of years yet it wasn't
until Paul had his Damascus road experience that any one could see what was really written.
I wrote you , but my browswer broke and all was lost , Bro D ! so sorry your thread was hi jacked , I would say yes to both your questions
and had wrote the reasons why I believe they are , but they were lost :(
I know Daniel knew alot by Jeremiahs prophecy book and Hebrews 11 tells of all those abused and died while proclaiming in them the same witness Jonah come to tell Niviah about their sins to God and they repented
and Babylon was formed making a name for themselves so the Lord come down and confounded their language that no flesh could boast nor spiritual pride could rule for very long
dajomaco, if it was I that caused your post to fall off it's course, I am truly am sorry, it was not my intent. :HeartThrob:
But then again, perhaps not. Should you be able to see that the message of seven, is one, then maybe you can see the wisdom. :dsunny:
Daj,this may be related with question #1 1Peter 1;12 Even angels long to look into these things.
If you read what precedes 10,and 11...you see all..angels and men awaaiting the things
foretold..how and when and in what manner scripture would be fulfilled by God.
#2 regarding Babylon..and her soceries/witchcraaft...the same as presumtousness....to me
this could be related with Him 'putting the wisdom of the wise to shame" presumptousness
as to the identity of His son..what He would be..what He would do..made many reject Him.
even kill Him...judging him as a blasphemer.
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 29, 2013, 03:45:55 AM
dajomaco, if it was I that caused your post to fall off it's course, I am truly am sorry, it was not my intent. :HeartThrob:
But then again, perhaps not. Should you be able to see that the message of seven, is one, then maybe you can see the wisdom. :dsunny:
Yes thank you for the nutch.
This site is great for helping me to re read scriptures
from different angles.