Hebrews 10 Fierdy Indignation

[rosered]

Song91 has made 3 posts on this forum.  All of the posts are of a positive nature.  I for one found this last post not one about some disputable theology, rather a great personal story of how (he/she?) has received God's blessings.  Each of us has our own story, and each one is different.

I hope Song91 sticks around, there is so much good on this website.

When I first started reading Tentmaker, there was a poster, julietang, who always signed off: "don't forget love"

DON'T FORGET LOVE

Pat

  AMEN !!!!!!!!! LOVE IS THE GREATEST THING   OF'' ALL THINGS''  !!! 

Scriptures testifies  of it  continually     , GOD IS LOVE .

  You will not  have GOD IF you have not love , they are the   SAME today as yesterday and tomorrow .

One of the biggest  problems I had with UR was , Can it be true ?     Does God love   more than  despising His own creation ?

and set to destroy  everything , I could never understand the point of   fear  our whole lives of never getting it right with God and than   making us suffer  in this life and    than suffer   forever
  I WAS SO WRONG    about GOD !!   That false image I had about God has been shattered     and blasted to the 4 winds as dust and the serpents food ..

Only because  I never understood   that Love and mercy of God surpassed all the  understanding  a human being can muster up in his own mind .

  God has to change our minds and hearts   and make us a whole new creation in CHRIST     .

  Many say it is up to us , and others will say it is up to God , but the truth is , in my own consideration , a covenant    is an agreement   between both  parties and cannot  be  valid with out both  sides keeping their end of the   agreement .     

In our weakness God is our strength    as the Spirit is willing  but the flesh is weak  , learning to walk in the Spirit  is what we have to  practice  not just  say it . and found as  counted worthy of their calling   
and   that is depending  and trusting in  God  to give the Spiritual  growth  and measure   as He Alone sees fit to give it .

[rosered]

and my post was simply stating I didn't see any new age in that post....Love is the most powerful force in existence..it never fails..

   perfect LOVE casts out fear..for fear hath torment.  fear of death..fear of judgement..........we have to go on to perfection...

   everyone get's corrected..He says  God himself will finish your training...somethings,personally..I had to learn the hard way....

  other's I avoided by heeding or seeing some-one else learn a hard lesson.

   

 

   yes !!!      seasoned  with salt and fire    HOLY SPIRIT   witness   , that suffering for doing both good and evil   , till the perfect comes !!  :HeartThrob:



Love
1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.


2And if I should have prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And if I may give away all my possessions, and I may deliver up my body that I may boast,a but have not love, I am profited nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind, love is not envious, it is not boastful, it is not puffed up. 5It does not act unbecomingly, it does not seek the things of its own, is not easily provoked, it keeps no account of wrongs. 6It does not delight at unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth. 7It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

DESCRIBING LOVE OF GOD    PERFECTLY  HERE !

8Love never fails; but if there are prophesies, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will be ceased; if there is knowledge it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10but when the perfect should come, the partial will be done away.

11When I was a child, I was speaking like a child, I was thinking like a child, I was reasoning like a child; when I became a man, I did away with the things of the child. 12For presently we see through a glass in obscurity; but then, face to face. Presently, I know in part; but then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13But now these three things abide: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.

[Seth]

1 John 4
17Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19We love him, because he first loved us. 20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

In other words, my view being, if you love your brother you may have boldness in the day of judgment.

[sheila]

YES!  Fear Not little flock...I have overcome the world!

[rosered]

1 John 4
17Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19We love him, because he first loved us. 20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

In other words, my view being, if you love your brother you may have boldness in the day of judgment.

  WHAT IS THE DAY OF JUDGMENT  SETH ?

[Seth]

There is a judgment coming called the Day of the Lord. There have been past days of the Lord, but there is also a coming one. Some will say to Jesus "Lord, Lord, look at all our miracles." And he will say to them, "I never knew you. Away from me ye who work iniquity." A day of judgment.

[Seth]

1 Thess 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

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Peace and safety? What's wrong with "peace?" What is wrong with "safety?" Those are good things right? But, what KIND of peace will they be talking about, and what kind of safety? Jesus said to be watchful, to take inventory, to be ready.

[rosered]

There is a judgment coming called the Day of the Lord. There have been past days of the Lord, but there is also a coming one. Some will say to Jesus "Lord, Lord, look at all our miracles." And he will say to them, "I never knew you. Away from me ye who work iniquity." A day of judgment.

I AGREE  ,   SOME  will and some have , and  some are going through it now .
JOHN 5 ...

  Speaks of death  being that  judgment ,   Jesus Christ being the Lord of the dead and the living  ,  both are held  within HIM , HE  has the power and authority over  life and death

all things are   made in Christ and are at HIS FEET Hebrews 10 Christ's Perfect Sacrifice
...12But when this Priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. 13Since that time, He waits for His enemies to be made a footstool for His feet, 14 because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are sanctified....15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after having said before:

16"This is the covenant that I will make with them,
after those days, says the Lord,
putting My Laws into their hearts,
and I will inscribe them into their mind,"b
17and,

"Their sins and their lawless acts,
I will remember no more."
18Now where there is forgiveness of these, no longer is there an offering for sin.


9For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you and asking God to fill you with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding,


10so that you may walk in a manner worthy of the Lord and may please Him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11being strengthened with all power according to His glorious might so that you may have full endurance and patience, and joyfully

12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified youc to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son,

14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

The Supremacy of Christ
(Hebrews 1:1-14)
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.


18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him,

20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

21Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds.

22But now He has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence— 23if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation    under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.


(2 Corinthians 11:16-33)
24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church. 25I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,

26the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints, 27to whom God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

28We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. 29To this end I labor, striving with all His energy working powerfully within me.

Understanding these things by the Holy Spirit of Life is that promise  we are all clinging too  in my humbled opinion  .

[Seth]

If I were to put that together, what you have presented, I would say, just like so MANY MANY examples in the Old Testament show, that God starts with forbearance and long-suffering. He is slow to anger, but it doesn't mean he has no anger. And "anger" shouldn't be, in my opinion, analyzed according to human emotion which is difficult to do because we tend to filter our experience through emotion.

So anyway, it starts with forbearance and long suffering. After that is ignored, despised and trampled on, there is wrath and resistance, until all are led to the well to drink. That is how I believe all these seeming counter-scriptures work together toward a whole.

That is what I believe true Biblical UR is, taking all the scriptures and seeing them work toward the whole.

[sheila]

that's talking about the secound coming....he who seeks to save his natural/corrupt image life  will lose it[the natural life] he who loses

his life for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven[raised up in incorruption] shall find it.like a woman in travail=a whole nation[spiritual

Israel of God.].born on that DAY.   ye are ALL the children of light and the children of the DAY;we are not of the night or of darkness.

  for God hath not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation by Our Lord Jesus Christ...who died for us..that whether we wake or sleep

we should live togather with Him.   all of natural man loses his natural life for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven...whether willingly or

not.  we are awaiting Him..many are asleep...

   the nations are wrathful..and Your wrath is come...why are the nations wrathful? because satan knows his time is short..........

    words out...all men saved and to recieve eternal salvation..he's lost his position as prosecutor in heaven...the time of his torment

judgement has come..as well as the approaching great deliverance of all men.....

that man's spirit return unto Father and the incorruptible /immortal in God's and Christ's image live.

 

[Seth]

I don't see Satan as a prosecutor, but as an accuser. A prosecutor serves justice in a courtroom with evidence and many times with truth on his side. Then, a jury or judge can decide based on the evidence. An accuser just accuses, sometimes not truthfully. God never needed a prosecutor to dispense justice or judgment. He can do that by himself. I don't see any evidence in the Bible that Satan's presence is a key necessity for that.

In other words, removing Satan does not remove God's judgment.

I believe that the judgement of the world is the Cross, not as a PAST event, but as the destruction of the carnal man within. I do believe that when someone believes and confesses all past sins are blotted out. But, God does not need a prosecutor to see the current truth in front of his eyes. Yes the time is indeed approaching for all men to be saved, and yet some must pass through the fire and suffer loss.

[sheila]

 :thumbsup: accusor is a better word.

[eaglesway]

YES!  Fear Not little flock...I have overcome the world!

The little flock is made up of those who have forsaken all to follow Him.

[darryl]

time ago, at first  I argued with UR believers and said that God did send human beings to hell forever but, gradually, I saw the light...it takes time because I was  suffering from being brainwashed ...yes, even now sometimes I  still find myself drifting back to belief in eternal hell because  I believed it so long...then, I  go pray and read the positive scriptures and the fear leaves me...I  cannot be too hard on hellists because I have been the same..so forgive me hellists for being harsh and impatient for you to embrace Universal Reconciliation..UR is just such a better thing to believe and it DOES have scriptural backing..I suspect many pastors don't believe in UR though...still, I pray they hold out the HOPE that ALL are ultimately reconciled to God at  the very least.  Dear hellists, please, do not believe God torments/punishes  human beings forever !.  :dsunny:

[rosered]

  Loosing'' friends '' over the UR message    is nothing new  to me lol ..
 
Treated like a leper  or  totally deceived   and not to go near  ...  Even some in the UR fold   ,  this has happened .

I have forsaken all     , Because   of the peace Jesus Christ has given surpasses all human understanding and reasoning .

The carnal mind is the enemy  and holds  captive   the fear of  death  and the 10 thousands of  divisions     chopping us all to shreds

I have certainly considered the   Holy Spirit,  so holy / pure  as to even keep our own   [carnal minds from touching those  holy things of God ] being sealed up


within us  [as Gods possessions and treasures  in earthen vessels   , as death[carnal minds ]   keeps  its hold   and giving the outward appearance  as still unclean .

[  that unholy still]   that every human being judges  and is corruptible  and called the body of death , all human beings have placed their trust in at some time or the other , till it fails you  utterly  and learn not to trust in it  at all  , till you quit touching the unclean thing   within yourself or in others    ,

it is the human wisdom of the world that  has always failed the test of time and place   and the very  reason  Jesus Christ come and manifested itself to destroy the   ''works of the devil''   being the adversary to Gods will , it is a human spirit as in Adam  all die and are dead  works  , being useless  and vain ... the knowledge of good and evil  tree  in which  death come upon all as the serpent / carnal mind / beast   tempts  every one with and sees this as  the only life  , being 70 years  of dying   from the day of birth to ''get it right with God '' .   

and  likewise  unable to obtain  , Till Christ comes , Christ means the anointing Light to shine in the dark places of the human heart    , that is desperately wicked above all else and who can know it ? [what human being  can ever know the ways of God     when it is kept from him all the days of his human existence/life  ?

  Evil hides itself in the human heart , the Bible calls it the evil one ruling  the human heart  , and this  protection  of God is  the  sweet prayers of Jesus   taught us   how to  keep us from it , by the secret prayers to the Father   in private   that no man knows about  , not even your own man of sin /error.
  Because the TRUTH is perfect and complete and   HOLY  pure WORD OF GOD  LIVING  THING  all by itself  and  what has been Gathered into ITSELF

and that is the simplicity in Christ,   to me,  founded    by faith , hope and Love

  When the Word of God is anointed by Gods own Spirit of truth  it becomes a LIVING THING  working within you ..
No longer dead letters of the law to   JUDGE  with and divide with and  pollute  and  destroy  with . and use as a weapon  to KILL with .

This great war  of WORDS is the divisions  between the  Wisdom of God  over the wisdom of the world  and separates us all  , Cutting asunder  by the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT  dividing between the soul /mind / womb of mankind [that ruler of the heart ]  and the spirit  of GOD  ,   a very painful process  in my own opinion , as the deadly wound is healed [beastly knowledge of the world /mind of mankind   as cut off ]  and given the soul , mind of Christ /anointing of the Father in the pure Light of Life , this is the woman part of Adam [Gen 1 ]  and the  womb  for the new birth to begin in us ,
a new creation   and new creatures in Christ 

  Paul was given some excellent   revelations of Christ  , being blinded , in the coming of Christ to him  , he could no longer see   as he did before  , putting to death  the old man of sin  when it would rise up  carnally and beastly   to rule over his body of death

  the tree of knowledge of good and evil [ law of life and death ]   had been  removed  and God planted the tree of Life  in him ,[LIVING WORD OF GOD ]  when  He longer knew NOTHING but Jesus Christ and Him crucified  , from that point on  it was a straight path  and way  that leads to LIFE IN CHRIST .

  Jesus come      to  die   on the cross  / baptism of death to the world, and tasting death for every man   and saving that which was lost  and    to bring HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE  upon the whole world  by poring out His OWN SPIRIT  on all flesh  and dissolving the elements [Hebrews 6] by removing the veil  by His own flesh body   2Cor 3 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away!

destroying  evil by the breath of His coming  BY  LIGHT AND LIFE  , THIS NEW THING  was ALL OF GOD HIMSELF ,,, 
  The new covenant  promises of God would come to the   holy ones   born of water and Spirit  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God[ John 3 ]   by the blood of Jesus Christ  covering them  , this grace was going to be the sufficient   sacrifice of great  grace  for all time    and the inheritance    of His    new creation   to be fulfilled   in being His own possession   and  perfect work  and will not give His glory to another   ,  GOD is a consuming fire and  in His jealousy  will not give His glory to another  .

  By the Spirit of prophecy being  the testimony of Jesus Christ /WORD OF GOD  new and living way working in    those  given the   new heavens and earth    Mind/heaven  to dwell on the holy things of Gods  desire  and  earth tasting  GOD and  knowing His  goodness   / Body of Christ  , eat my body and drink my blood that  you may have LIFE in You.....

And is  still being fulfilled  to This very  Day and hour    , but the  mind of man cannot see it in the natural eyes,  it is hidden from his sight , being blinded by the veil   till it be removed     completely  in Christ by CHRIST coming to them  by the Light and Life of the Living WORD   working in them   by the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD ..

I know the Lord said  that  do not worry about who can kill the  body , but  whom  can destroy   both the soul and body in    Gehenna fire , the  great fire of Gods jealousy and correction      the Babylons    end ,,  all spoken of the in the revealing of JESUS CHRIST [ all of Revelation  REVEALING  OF CHRIST ON THE DAY OF THE LORD ]  by the SPIRIT AND  WORD OF TRUTH ]   destroying everything  that offends and keeps   the    VILE LIE against God going  on  from the beginning.

Fear God Alone
(Luke 12:4-7)
26Therefore you should not fear them! For nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, proclaim upon the housetops![  THE VEIL REMOVED   AND SEEING CHRIST IN ALL HIS GLORY ]

28And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.   [THE FIRE OF GODS JEALOUSY and what belongs to HIM  ONLY ]

29Are not two sparrows sold for an assarion?b And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30And even the hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Therefore you should not fear; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Confessing Christ
(Luke 12:8-12)
32Therefore everyone who will confess in Me before men, I also will confess in him before My Father in the heavens. 33And whoever shall deny Me before men, I also will deny him before My Father in the heavens.

The Sword of the Gospel
(Luke 12:49-53)
34Do not think that I came to bring peace to the earth; I came not to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I came to set at variance

'A man against his father,
and a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law,
36and the enemies of the man are his own household.'

The  great  dividing   within    us all    by the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT  which is the word of God  THAT  ALL  TRUTH REIGNS SUPREME  .

  the WORD OF GOD   wages war  in heaven  Rev 12

  I will fight against you with the Sword of my Mouth   , rev 2 15In the same way, some of you also hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans

. 16 Therefore repent! Otherwise I will come to you shortly and wage war against them with the sword of My mouth.


17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name, known only to the one who receives it....


  7 is the completeness of  GODS  WISDOM   Proverbs 9 [seven pillars   7  churches  and  seven eyes and  7 spirits and in  7 everything is numbered and multiplied and summed up    in  TRUTH   and in  Revelations fulfilling all things by the Testimony of Jesus Christ     by the Spirit of prophecy  :HeartThrob:

  Spoken of in the old as Psalms 119  167 The sum of Thy word is truth, And to the age is every judgment of Thy righteousness!

[marie glen]

Gehenna fire , the  great fire of Gods jealousy and correction

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: This is the best description of "gehenna (fire)" I have ever read! :thumbsup:

1 Thess 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

---

Peace and safety? What's wrong with "peace?" What is wrong with "safety?" Those are good things right? But, what KIND of peace will they be talking about, and what kind of safety? Jesus said to be watchful, to take inventory, to be ready.

Amen.. what the world does not understand is "peace and safety" are great things! But, man is trying to be God.. deciding good and evil, etc.. and is trying and will try to bring about "peace and safety" (world peace? and dominion/domination :mshock: ) Peace without God the Holy Creator and sustainer! Mankind has shoved God aside.. The great move toward 'world peace' is embraced by western civilization, which at one time was called "Christendom" until over the decades has fallen under a great delusion and has asked (and demanded) that God and Jesus be gone from the culture.. Which culture now of course has a cup pretty full of the side effects of all this. The dissolution of family.. the embracing of "perversions, fornication, murder"/abortions, etc.. Which cup will be fully drank from and digested.. (apocalypse, as what is metaphorically called "crashing and burning" will be the unveiling of how God is right about all things.. not man. God rules, not man. Man's works, not built on the Rock can only, ever, 'crash and burn'.)

"That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord, are the Most High over all the earth." - Ps 83:18

...the day of the LORD comes as a thief, unexpectedly, when they are saying "Peace, and safety, security (reliability, firmness)"..

[eaglesway]

 :thumbsup:

We know that we cannot depend on what the world considers peace and safety because...

"All flesh is as grass, the flower fades, the grass withers, the wind blows it away"

I think the thief in its ultimate form is death, which can come at anytime, so we watch and pray and walk in the light as children of the day because that is where our peace is secured...Death brings everyone finally, into the Day

43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

But kno one knows the hour..

"Yea, tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil"

The thief can steal nothing meaningful from anyone who is abiding in Christ. Our life is hidden with Christ in God.

Perhaps we all will have some measure of wood, hay and stubble that will disappear in the light of His countenance like mists as the dawn rises toward the full day, but our gold, silver and precious stone, the foundations of love towards God, love towards one another, and faith in His kingdom will secure our lives forever.

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

[darryl]

  Loosing" friends " over the UR message    is nothing new  to me lol ..
 
Treated like a leper  or  totally deceived   and not to go near  ...  Even some in the UR fold   ,  this has happened .

I have forsaken all     , Because   of the peace Jesus Christ has given surpasses all human understanding and reasoning .

The carnal mind is the enemy  and holds  captive   the fear of  death  and the 10 thousands of  divisions     chopping us all to shreds

I have certainly considered the   Holy Spirit,  so holy / pure  as to even keep our own   [carnal minds from touching those  holy things of God ] being sealed up


within us  [as Gods possessions and treasures  in earthen vessels   , as death[carnal minds ]   keeps  its hold   and giving the outward appearance  as still unclean .

[  that unholy still]   that every human being judges  and is corruptible  and called the body of death , all human beings have placed their trust in at some time or the other , till it fails you  utterly  and learn not to trust in it  at all  , till you quit touching the unclean thing   within yourself or in others    ,

it is the human wisdom of the world that  has always failed the test of time and place   and the very  reason  Jesus Christ come and manifested itself to destroy the   "works of the devil"   being the adversary to Gods will , it is a human spirit as in Adam  all die and are dead  works  , being useless  and vain ... the knowledge of good and evil  tree  in which  death come upon all as the serpent / carnal mind / beast   tempts  every one with and sees this as  the only life  , being 70 years  of dying   from the day of birth to "get it right with God " .   

and  likewise  unable to obtain  , Till Christ comes , Christ means the anointing Light to shine in the dark places of the human heart    , that is desperately wicked above all else and who can know it ? [what human being  can ever know the ways of God     when it is kept from him all the days of his human existence/life  ?

  Evil hides itself in the human heart , the Bible calls it the evil one ruling  the human heart  , and this  protection  of God is  the  sweet prayers of Jesus   taught us   how to  keep us from it , by the secret prayers to the Father   in private   that no man knows about  , not even your own man of sin /error.
  Because the TRUTH is perfect and complete and   HOLY  pure WORD OF GOD  LIVING  THING  all by itself  and  what has been Gathered into ITSELF

and that is the simplicity in Christ,   to me,  founded    by faith , hope and Love

  When the Word of God is anointed by Gods own Spirit of truth  it becomes a LIVING THING  working within you ..
No longer dead letters of the law to   JUDGE  with and divide with and  pollute  and  destroy  with . and use as a weapon  to KILL with .

This great war  of WORDS is the divisions  between the  Wisdom of God  over the wisdom of the world  and separates us all  , Cutting asunder  by the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT  dividing between the soul /mind / womb of mankind [that ruler of the heart ]  and the spirit  of GOD  ,   a very painful process  in my own opinion , as the deadly wound is healed [beastly knowledge of the world /mind of mankind   as cut off ]  and given the soul , mind of Christ /anointing of the Father in the pure Light of Life , this is the woman part of Adam [Gen 1 ]  and the  womb  for the new birth to begin in us ,
a new creation   and new creatures in Christ 

  Paul was given some excellent   revelations of Christ  , being blinded , in the coming of Christ to him  , he could no longer see   as he did before  , putting to death  the old man of sin  when it would rise up  carnally and beastly   to rule over his body of death

  the tree of knowledge of good and evil [ law of life and death ]   had been  removed  and God planted the tree of Life  in him ,[LIVING WORD OF GOD ]  when  He longer knew NOTHING but Jesus Christ and Him crucified  , from that point on  it was a straight path  and way  that leads to LIFE IN CHRIST .

  Jesus come      to  die   on the cross  / baptism of death to the world, and tasting death for every man   and saving that which was lost  and    to bring HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE  upon the whole world  by poring out His OWN SPIRIT  on all flesh  and dissolving the elements [Hebrews 6] by removing the veil  by His own flesh body   2Cor 3 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away!

destroying  evil by the breath of His coming  BY  LIGHT AND LIFE  , THIS NEW THING  was ALL OF GOD HIMSELF ,,, 
  The new covenant  promises of God would come to the   holy ones   born of water and Spirit  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God[ John 3 ]   by the blood of Jesus Christ  covering them  , this grace was going to be the sufficient   sacrifice of great  grace  for all time    and the inheritance    of His    new creation   to be fulfilled   in being His own possession   and  perfect work  and will not give His glory to another   ,  GOD is a consuming fire and  in His jealousy  will not give His glory to another  .

  By the Spirit of prophecy being  the testimony of Jesus Christ /WORD OF GOD  new and living way working in    those  given the   new heavens and earth    Mind/heaven  to dwell on the holy things of Gods  desire  and  earth tasting  GOD and  knowing His  goodness   / Body of Christ  , eat my body and drink my blood that  you may have LIFE in You.....

And is  still being fulfilled  to This very  Day and hour    , but the  mind of man cannot see it in the natural eyes,  it is hidden from his sight , being blinded by the veil   till it be removed     completely  in Christ by CHRIST coming to them  by the Light and Life of the Living WORD   working in them   by the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD ..

I know the Lord said  that  do not worry about who can kill the  body , but  whom  can destroy   both the soul and body in    Gehenna fire , the  great fire of Gods jealousy and correction      the Babylons    end ,,  all spoken of the in the revealing of JESUS CHRIST [ all of Revelation  REVEALING  OF CHRIST ON THE DAY OF THE LORD ]  by the SPIRIT AND  WORD OF TRUTH ]   destroying everything  that offends and keeps   the    VILE LIE against God going  on  from the beginning.

Fear God Alone
(Luke 12:4-7)
26Therefore you should not fear them! For nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, proclaim upon the housetops![  THE VEIL REMOVED   AND SEEING CHRIST IN ALL HIS GLORY ]

28And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.   [THE FIRE OF GODS JEALOUSY and what belongs to HIM  ONLY ]

29Are not two sparrows sold for an assarion?b And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30And even the hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Therefore you should not fear; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Confessing Christ
(Luke 12:8-12)
32Therefore everyone who will confess in Me before men, I also will confess in him before My Father in the heavens. 33And whoever shall deny Me before men, I also will deny him before My Father in the heavens.

The Sword of the Gospel
(Luke 12:49-53)
34Do not think that I came to bring peace to the earth; I came not to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I came to set at variance

'A man against his father,
and a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law,
36and the enemies of the man are his own household.'

The  great  dividing   within    us all    by the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT  which is the word of God  THAT  ALL  TRUTH REIGNS SUPREME  .

  the WORD OF GOD   wages war  in heaven  Rev 12

  I will fight against you with the Sword of my Mouth   , rev 2 15In the same way, some of you also hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans

. 16 Therefore repent! Otherwise I will come to you shortly and wage war against them with the sword of My mouth.


17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name, known only to the one who receives it....


  7 is the completeness of  GODS  WISDOM   Proverbs 9 [seven pillars   7  churches  and  seven eyes and  7 spirits and in  7 everything is numbered and multiplied and summed up    in  TRUTH   and in  Revelations fulfilling all things by the Testimony of Jesus Christ     by the Spirit of prophecy  :HeartThrob:

  Spoken of in the old as Psalms 119  167 The sum of Thy word is truth, And to the age is every judgment of Thy righteousness!

:thumbsup: :banana: :dsunny:

[Pig]

"it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

2Sa 24:14 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies [are] great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God, but not as fearful as falling into the hands of men who have no mercy.  This verse does not speak of ET, but for his mercy in the midst of judgement/punishment.

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:   May my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth if I remember not Jerusalem! I have engraven

  thee on the palm of my hand.  sounds good to me!  He's got the whole world..in His hands..He's got the whole

  wide world..in His hands.....I'd rather be in My creator's hands then anywhere else!!! He knows my

  broken parts..and He knows how to heal me.  and He knows how to give more abundant honor to my

  uncomely parts!!!

[eaglesway]

"it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

2Sa 24:14 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies [are] great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God, but not as fearful as falling into the hands of men who have no mercy.  This verse does not speak of ET, but for his mercy in the midst of judgement/punishment.

:thumbsup:

[marie glen]

Amen! :iagree: :thumbsup:

[Pig]

How would you respond if an ET'er uses the following verses of Hebrews 10 to assert that eternal torment is just and fair.

Hebrews 10:26-31

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

David chose the wrath of God over that of his enemies because God is more merciful than his human enemies. Why hen do we imagine that God is less merciful?