Our God= Fire

[FineLinen]

Dwellers In Fire -G. Campbell Morgan-

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The man who partakes of God's character can live in God's fire. You may well fear fire if you are a sinner. You may well fear the burnings if your hands are full of bribes and there is blood in your garments. You may well fear the fire if you are unholy, unrighteous, but not if you are right with God.

To use the magnificent and daring word of Peter, the man who himself partakes of "the Divine nature" can live in the fire of the Divine nature. Hell and heaven are one in atmosphere, and the atmosphere is a burning, blistering pain, or a shining, beauteous glory, according to what I am in myself.

Nothing can live in fire but that which is of the nature of fire. Nothing can live in fire but that which will take hold of the fire and be unweakened thereby. Who is it that can dwell in everlasting burnings and be unafraid? He that walketh righteously and speaketh uprightly. He can dwell in the fire.

   This is the great rock upon which faith fastens in the midst of toil. I may be speaking to some tonight who are greatly overburdened in their toil for God. Perhaps there are some worshipping with us who have come from the country, and down there in your village or town it seems as though God was being beaten, it looks as though the Assyrian must triumph over Judah. It is not so.

God is in this age burning, burning, burning, and only that can remain which partakes of the fire nature, which answers the call of righteousness and becomes righteous. The mightiest foe cannot abide, God will burn it to destruction.

Assyria is very proud. She spoils, though none has spoiled her. She deals treacherously, though none has dealt treacherously with her. For a time evil has a glamour and apparent glory about it. Take heart, and be at rest, oh, warrior of the King! The one thing that evil cannot do is lock its door against God. He wraps it about in the flame of His own being, and there is no evil house in London, no evil man or movement that is not already in this all-embracing fire. I thank God that my heart knows it.

From Him everything comes, through Him everything exists, and in Him everything ends. Source, Guide and Goal of all that is to whom be glory forevermore. Amen!

[laren]

Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

[Craig]

Brimstone=

Gophriyth= The breath of Jehovah

Brimstone=

qei'on/ theion =

Divine incense with the power to purify

Theion/ qei'on rooted in qei'o/Theios

Theios=

Used by the Greeks in reference to the only true God.

Theios rooted in qeov/ Theos

Theos=

The Supreme Deity from which we get Theology. 

The Lake Of Fire= The Lake of Theos

As demonstrated six or so posts up. It is not the Lake of Theos, it is the Lake of Fire.

To demonstrate the Root Word Error:

Example of Root Word Fallacy in Greek:
The word "labour" is: kopiaō, literally means, "exhausting bodily effort"
The the root word  is koptō, literally means, "to cut, strike, smite; to cut from, cut off; to beat one's breast for grief"

So when we read:
Ephesians 4:28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labour, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.

So is Paul is actually saying...
He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must cut off his own hands, which is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Or was he telling the thief to stop stealing from others, and begin to work to share with others.

Basing our theology on the root words, would have us believe Paul was telling us to make sure theives cut off their hands!

It is not the Lake of THEOS, it is the Lake of Fire and it is fueled by man's dead works and set ablaze by the judgment of Gehenna.

[bobf]

It is not the Lake of THEOS, it is the Lake of Fire and it is fueled by man's dead works and set ablaze by the judgment of Gehenna.

But "our God is a consuming fire" is also associated with God's judgment of man's dead works.

Deuteronomy 4:23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. 24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

[Craig]

I understand, this is not like I have not studied the subject. We can find all you want all the Scriptures that say God is fire, none say He is the Lake of Fire and not all fires mentioned in Scripture is God. So exceptions make the rule here. Our dead works burn us, the Lake of Fire is of our own doing.

Isaiah 50:11
But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall receive from my hand: You will lie down in torment.

Isaiah 33:11-14
You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw; your breath is a fire that consumes you.
The peoples will be burned as if to lime; like cut thornbushes they will be set ablaze."
You who are far away, hear what I have done; you who are near, acknowledge my power!
The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?"

James 3:5-6
Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fires of Gehenna.

[bobf]

It doesn't bobf, you can find all you want all the Scriptures that say God is fire, none say He is the Lake of Fire...

I didn't say that scripture says God is the lake of fire.  Nor does it say God is not the lake of fire. The lake of fire is a judgment proceeding from God. That matches "our God is a consuming fire" in every respect I know of. It doesn't much matter to me whether God is the lake of fire or not.  What matters more to me is to understand the purpose and timing of the lake of fire, not whether it "is" God or not.

...and not all fires mentioned in Scripture is God. So exceptions make the rule here

Isaiah 50:11
But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall receive from my hand: You will lie down in torment.

I'm sure not every fire in scripture is God.  But the ones where fire is a methphor for judgment seem match "our God is a consuming fire".

You added some since I responded....

Our dead works burn us, but God's law turns each idolatrous man over to servitude to his dead works, and the act of God doing so (judgment) God likens Himself to a consuming fire.

[Craig]

I re-editted my reply, before you replied but forgot press send. Ihave no problem with God being the consuming Fire. The problem is that is what people continue to say is the lake of Fire. Nowhere, do we find this to be true; in fact, we find the only 'body of water' on fire, is mankind himself because of his own dead works. God didn't even have to do it Himself, but He made that prossess possible.

[bobf]

I re-editted my reply, before you replied but forgot press send. Ihave no problem with God being the consuming Fire. The problem is that is what people continue to say is the lake of Fire. Nowhere, do we find this to be true; in fact, we find the only 'body of water' on fire, is mankind himself because of his own dead works. God didn't even have to do it Himself, but He made that prossess possible.

But "our God is a consuming fire" refers to that very process/law of God of turning man over to His dead works to "burn" in them.

[Craig]

Slippery slope reasoning. God created the process but is not always or even nessesarily the Fire. I understand that reasoning but He was the one who created it. The consuming fire in Isaiah, is mankind's own burning by continual birth of straw and chaff. The fire that sets our life ablaze, is the tongue and it was set on fire by Gehenna. Gehenna, a judgment created by God as a result of mankind's; especially Israel's idolatry. Since these fires are created things, and since God cannot be created, the fire isn't God. There is no proof in Scripture, the Lake of Fire is God. If we sum up every process God makes, as what He is, then we are left with God also being a Murderer, a Liar, etc.

[bobf]

Slippery slope reasoning. God created the process but is not always or even nessesarily the Fire. I understand that reasoning but He was the one who created it. The consuming fire in Isaiah, is mankind's own burning by continual birth of straw and chaff. The fire that sets our life ablaze, is the tongue and it was set on fire by Gehenna. Gehenna, a judgment created by God as a result of mankind's; especially Israel's idolatry. Since these fires are created things, and since God cannot be created, the fire isn't God. There is proof in Scripture, the Lake of Fire is God. If we sum up every process God makes, as what He is, then we are left with God also being a Murderer, a Liar, etc.

God is the one who likened Himself to a consuming fire when He judges man by turning him over to his idols.  So whenever I see man being turned over to his idols to be judged by God, I see God being a consuming fire.

[1] When man chooses to serve idols he has lit a fire.
[2] When God turns man over to that fire, God is a consuming fire.

I'm not saying those two fires are one and the same.  I'm saying that whenever God turns man over to the fire man has lit, God is acting as a consuming fire.

[laren]

I posted these earlier,and i think they are good verses. 

Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

The consuming fire, imo; is upon the works of those stuck in self righteousness, hardened like pharoah.   Those relying on works of the law.  Denying Christ come in the flesh.  Those imo, hardened and destined to see their house come crashing down, as they spent their whole life full of pride, preferring sacrifice over mercy.  Those who dont see themselves as needing a physician.   

IMO, the fiery trials of the christian in I Peter are not the same as the consuming fire upon those stuck in self righteosness.  One refines one's faith, builds upon the rock.

one comes crashing down. 

Noah didn't swim in the waters, he wasnt' destroyed.  He didn't spend his whole life in self righteousnes.  He was saved from the waters.  His fiery trial was what led to endurance to keep building the ark, despite persecution.   The consuming fire was upon those persecuting (the "Ishmael's, those who have come to mount SINai, not Zion. 

[Craig]

I posted these earlier,and i think they are good verses. 

Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

The consuming fire, imo; is upon the works of those stuck in self righteousness, hardened like pharoah.   Those relying on works of the law.  Denying Christ come in the flesh.  Those imo, hardened and destined to see their house come crashing down, as they spent their whole life full of pride, preferring sacrifice over mercy.  Those who dont see themselves as needing a physician.   

IMO, the fiery trials of the christian in I Peter are not the same as the consuming fire upon those stuck in self righteosness.  One refines one's faith, builds upon the rock.

one comes crashing down. 

Noah didn't swim in the waters, he wasnt' destroyed.  He didn't spend his whole life in self righteousnes.  He was saved from the waters.  His fiery trial was what led to endurance to keep building the ark, despite persecution.   The consuming fire was upon those persecuting (the "Ishmael's, those who have come to mount SINai, not Zion. 

We are narrowing it down. Thanks for the references, I did catch them. I did not reply immidiately but was going to comment.

Especially this:

IMO, the fiery trials of the christian in I Peter are not the same as the consuming fire upon those stuck in self righteosness.  One refines one's faith, builds upon the rock.

[bobf]

Especially this:

IMO, the fiery trials of the christian in I Peter are not the same as the consuming fire upon those stuck in self righteosness.  One refines one's faith, builds upon the rock.

I agree that they are not the same. 

Psalms 11:5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

God does not rain fire of "snares" on the righteous, nor does God "trieth" the wicked to since they have no faith to try.

But the "consuming fire" is not limited to those who are self-righteous (believe they are righteous before God by their own works). For example, IMO the prodigal son was subject to God's consuming fire. But he was not self-righteous.  His elder brother was. The prodigal son worshipped the creation over the Creator and traded his inhertance like Esau.

[FineLinen]

Fire, Sodom, Gehenna and the Lake

All fire is not the same.

Obviously the fire of the bush that burned, but was not consumed (when Yahweh first met with Moses) was not the same as the fire with which they cooked their meals. God's fire is different. Strange fire was not to be used in lighting God's altars. And even in the natural, lightning is different from fire that burns wood -- even though lightning can heat up a tree to the point of combustion, and thus we have a forest fire which was actually ignited by an electrical charge completing a circuit and "arching."

So how are we to know the character or nature of fire when we read of it in Scripture? The answer is the "context," or what the text says about it. Consider the situation with Sodom and Gomorrah in Gen. 19:24.

Sodom

The NIV says "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah -- from the LORD out of the heavens." We are acquainted with the results. The whole burnable area was burned up, and vs. 28 tells us that the smoke (from the burnable items) of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. Now this is interesting, in that we see that apparently there is burning sulfur in the heavens (or, is it here simply lightning from the sky?).

Are the heavens, then a storehouse of fire and brimstone (sulfur)? It would appear so, from this account.

Next, what was burned up?

Flesh, and other combustibles (probably wood, hay and stubble). The men died prematurely by an act of God. It was a physical judgement just like other physical judgments from God upon men throughout the OT. Yet, we read in Jude 7 that this judgment was "an example (a specimen; something pointed out to the sight) of fire pertaining to the ages (or: age-lasting fire; fire having its source in and qualities from the ages)..." Now please note: the fire did not continue burning after all the fuel was consumed. It is not burning now. So, the fire was not "eternal," which is a subject to be discussed at another time. The fire did what God wanted it to do: destroy the men and the towns of that area.

Fire & Brimstone

To compare the terms "fire and brimstone" (or: burning sulfur) here with that in the book of Rev., let's read it from the LXX (the Greek version of the OT): "And the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah qeion (theion) and fire from the Lord from out of the midst of heaven." I give here the Gr. word often translated "brimstone," or "sulfur," for you to note its spelling. This word is actually the neuter form of qeioV (theios) which means: Deity. With the definite article (the) before it, it means "the Divine nature." The same words are in the Greek text of Rev. 19:20 where we read of "the lake (or: pond) of the Fire (a figure of God) continuously burning within [the] Deity (theion)." So if its the same as that which killed those of Sodom and Gomorrah, what will it do to those who take the mark of the beast? I suggest that it will kill them. But what does this mean?

Second Death

Well, it's called "the second death" when "death and the Unseen (hades) are cast into the lake of fire," in Rev. 20:14. But, in effect, the figure here (and I suggest that this is figurative language -- but that is for the Holy Spirit to show you) is the consuming of both death and the Unseen (hades), for these are both temporal things that have to do with His creation. It would also consume wood, hay and stubble (man's worthless works -- I Cor.3:12-15), as well as all flesh -- just as it did in Gen. 19:24. Now note vs. 15 of I Cor. 3: "but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

Now lets consider Sodom, again.

God calls Sodom Jerusalem's sister in Ezk. 16:48. And in vs. 49 lists Sodom's iniquity: "pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness... neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."

Now in vs. 51, we see that Jerusalem "has multiplied [her] abominations more than [Sodom and Samaria], and has justified [her] sisters in all [her] abominations which [she] has done." This is echoed by Jesus in Matt. 10:15, "Truly I say unto you, 'It will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city." Then, speaking to Capernaum, He says in Mat. 11:23-24 that Capernaum will be brought down "as far as the Unseen (Hades)," and, again, "it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom, in the day of judgment, than for [Capernaum]." So, it would seem, that although Sodom and Gomorrah were consumed by God's fire and deity, it was not the end for them.

Back to Ezk. 16:53, "When I shall BRING AGAIN their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters... then will I bring again the captivity of thy [Jerusalem's] captives in the midst of them."
And vs. 55, "When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate... then you [Jerusalem] and your daughters will return to your former estate."

The Fire Of Deity

Now here, we've been talking about the same fire that judged Sodom and Gomorrah, and the fire and deity in Rev. 14:10 & 19:20. Same exact words in the Greek. Now here in Rev. 14:10-11, they are being examined (tested, as gold is tested for quality) by the touchstone "in the presence of The Little Lamb" into "the indefinite periods of time which comprise the ages." Note that the figure is "the little Lamb," not the King or the Judge, nor the Jailor. Present before them, like the serpent on the pole in the wilderness, is the Lamb, having been slain, but living. And within the flames of His divine nature, they will be purged of their dross (ref. to Mal. 3:2-5), and when they behold Him, they will see the Glory of the Risen and Reigning Lamb, and will be transformed into the same image (2 Cor. 3:18).

Gehenna

Now consider the contexts of Jesus saying that it is better to pluck out your own eye or cut off your own hand than to be cast into the fires of Gehenna. Very few will think that Jesus was speaking literally of digging out a physical eye, or of chopping off a literal hand. He was using hyperbole, a figure of speech, saying "stop looking at things that cause you to miss the mark -- don't let the lust of the eyes lead you astray; stop doing (putting your hand to) things that lead you into failure and error."

Figures

If you can accept that He spoke figuratively here, then why should His words of the consequences of continuing in error not also be figurative? And if this be true, then of what is "the Gehenna of fire" a figure? It was a picture of the end of a criminal's life -- he might well end up being crucified by the Romans, and then thrown in with the burning garbage and manure and the bodies of dead inedible animals within Jerusalem's city dump: Gehenna. So what did it represent? I suggest it represented the end of a wasted life -- one of constantly missing the target (sinning). He came to call them higher, to proclaim the kingdom of God and to show them the Way, the Truth and the Life. Anything else is loss and waste, and He was simply saying, "Don't waste your life." And further, He indicated that one can be maimed, or have scars of the former life, and yet be in the kingdom -- in Life. Yet He is in the habit of making the waste places a garden (Isa. 51:3) -- because of His grace and mercy.

His love and grace are with you.

Jonathan Mitchell

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Jonathan Mitchell New Testament

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I beheld till the thrones were cast down and the Ancient of Days took His throne. His clothing is white as snow, and the hair of His head is like pure white wool. His throne is a blaze of flames and His wheels are burning fire. A River of fire streams and issues forth from His presence. Thousand thousands minister unto HIm, and ten thousand times ten thousand stand before Him.

[willieH]

willieH: Greetins dudes  :icon_king: and dudelettes  :icon_queen:

Heres my small fortune :2c:  ...concerning GOD=FIRE!

Many here at TM know that I believe the Lake of FIRE is THIS LIFETIME...

Heb 12:29  States that our GOD, is a consuming [pur]  FIRE He is consuming ALL men in THIS LIFETIME, for at the end of the SIN and suffering, is DEATH... not MORE SUFFERING! :rolleye:

Rev 3:18 uses the SAME Greek word Pur (#4442 Strongs) for FIRE, ...as do ALL references to the Lake of [pur] FIRE does...

JESUS was tried IN THIS LIFE... and the  [pur] FIRE which tried Him was contained in this REALM of TIME... NOT in some LITERAL PIT of PHYSICAL FIRE!

1 Pet 1:7  Uses this same term... and notes that our faith is TRIED in this [pur] FIRE!  How much more plain can it be?  The FIRE which is GOD, is (at THIS TIME), trying us ALL...

MEN burn in LUST... and LUST emerges from, and is of the FLESH... and SIN is born of these two which (through and after much SUFFERING physically, mentally & spiritually) eventually leads to DEATH... (consumed)

PAUL stated: Acts 17:28  ...IN HIM, we live and move and have our being... IN HIM, He is a FIRE... and we are IN HIM!

pEace...   :angel4:

In JESUS...willieH :gamer:

[FineLinen]

The Lake of Fire & Brimstone

The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word "brimstone" or sulfur defines the character of the fire.

The word theion translated as "brimstone" is exactly the same word theion which means "divine." Sulfur was sacred to the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and to consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228) one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from theion is theioo, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god. (See Liddell & Scott Greek- English Lexicon, 1897 Edition)

Both theion and theioo are rooted firmly in Theos.

To any Greek, or to any trained in the Greek language, a "lake of fire and brimstone" would mean a "lake of divine purification." The idea of judgment need not be excluded (see chapter 10 on the judgments of God). Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning of the ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out.

Rev. Charles H. Pridgeon M.A.

President & Founder of the Pittsburg Bible Institute

"But at length, O God, wilt thou not cast Death and Hell into the lake of Fire—even into thine own consuming self? Death shall then die everlastingly, And Hell itself will pass away, And leave her dolorous mansions to the peering day." -George MacDonald-

[pneuma]

Amen to your posts brother finelinen, our God is indeed a consuming fire.

It is out of fire/God the law was given, and the fiery judgments of the law lead us to Christ where all that is old is consumed that we might be purified.

ONE God, ONE fire, ONE judgment/correction unto righteousness.

[FineLinen]

Amen to your posts brother finelinen, our God is indeed a consuming fire.

It is out of fire/God the law was given, and the fiery judgments of the law lead us to Christ where all that is old is consumed that we might be purified.

ONE God, ONE fire, ONE judgment/correction unto righteousness.

My brother Scott you have expressed it well. The word for "pure" in the Greek is katharos and means to be purified by fire. The River that flows in and out of the Lake of Theos is a river of fire and it purifies and cleanses everything it touches. And those who follow the Lamb in the withersover of His movings are clothed in garments that are pure and white. Yep, fire garments they are, garments that are purified by the Katharos River of the Glory One. And their consciences? Oh yes, purified by the fire of His glory!

   In the following link there is a lovely song that expresses some of the magnitude of what we are beholding. 

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I see an army - I hear a song
rise in the nations, beautiful and strong.
A song of mercy that shatters pride,
a song of great love that purifies.

I see warriors with hands upraised,
holding no weapon, but their swords of praise.
Strongholds shatter. Kings bow down
before the Master and yield their crowns.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

I see the earth now, its groanings cease.
Creation lifts praise to the Prince of Peace.
Wars have ended and weapons fall.
An invitation to one and all.

I see the Church now as a passionate Bride.
I see her Lover with His fiery eyes.
All His longing and her desire
join as one flame in heaven's fire.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

I see a kingdom that never ends.
I see a Judge now who calls sinners 'Friends'.
Who gathers rebels and overwhelms
Them with His mercy so He can dwell
in hearts He's captured and rules in love.
He wraps around them a robe dipped in blood.
His tears are washing their fears away
and then He lifts them to see His face.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

All will gaze in wonder at the reach of heaven's plan.
How could mercy touch the lowest man?
Drawn from every nation, every voice,and every tongue, amazed at what the Lord of Love has done.
amazed at what the Lord of Love has done.

I see a King now and I believe.
I hear His voice now and He's calling me.

[Craig]

 Why is it so hard to express the truth without resorting to common logical errors? Once again using the root-word fallacy. It is no wonder those who believe in conditional or limited atonement continue in their course, why would the truth need a fallacy to prove itself? Honestly, until someone is able to address the rebuttle's head on, it demonstrates a lack of understanding on their part, no matter how much is written about it.

[FineLinen]

Our God is indeed a consuming fire.

It is out of fire/God the law was given, and the fiery judgments of the law lead us to Christ where all that is old is consumed that we might be purified.

ONE God, ONE fire, ONE judgment/correction unto righteousness.

Yes indeed! The purpose of the judgements of the Lord are always based in change and transformation. The most powerful word in the New Covenant for destruction is olethros, used by the Saviour of the whole world and the Apostle St. Paul, which can be easily demonstrated to encompass life at the consummation. In fact: in the Old Covenant Hebrew there are over 20 distinct words for destruction, a number linking destruction with newness of life and being brought to perfection.

Our fellowship within the Father and His Son Jesus the Christ is centered in the fire of His Person. And surrounding the Ancient of Days are those who stand before Him in the blaze of His eyes and the fire licking at the wheels of His throne, and the fiery River that flows from His mouth. There is only one way into the Shekinah and that way is by way of the flaming swords of the Lord swirling in every direction

I had a young fellow inform me recently that....

All comes from God is true ... All exists "because" of God. All ends up either with God or away from God. This is what is Biblical.

All originates in the A & W, and all consummates in the A & W/ Alpha & Omega. All comes from Him as Source, all is sustained through Him as Guide or Agent, and all consummates in Him as Goal/ Eiv. The all, or the ta pavnte, means "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming." It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta."

From Him everything comes, through Him everything exists, and in Him everything ends. Source, Guide and Goal of all that is to whom be glory forever. Amen!
Of him (ex autou),

Through him (di' autou),

Unto him (eiv auton )

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the.....

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

Robertson N.T. Word Pictures HERE

Romans 11:36= ta panta.

"In the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming."

It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta."

[pneuma]

I see an army - I hear a song
rise in the nations, beautiful and strong.
A song of mercy that shatters pride,
a song of great love that purifies.

I see warriors with hands upraised,
holding no weapon, but their swords of praise.
Strongholds shatter. Kings bow down
before the Master and yield their crowns.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

I see the earth now, its groanings cease.
Creation lifts praise to the Prince of Peace.
Wars have ended and weapons fall.
An invitation to one and all.

I see the Church now as a passionate Bride.
I see her Lover with His fiery eyes.
All His longing and her desire
join as one flame in heaven's fire.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

I see a kingdom that never ends.
I see a Judge now who calls sinners 'Friends'.
Who gathers rebels and overwhelms
Them with His mercy so He can dwell
in hearts He's captured and rules in love.
He wraps around them a robe dipped in blood.
His tears are washing their fears away
and then He lifts them to see His face.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

All will gaze in wonder at the reach of heaven's plan.
How could mercy touch the lowest man?
Drawn from every nation, every voice,and every tongue, amazed at what the Lord of Love has done.
amazed at what the Lord of Love has done.

I see a King now and I believe.
I hear His voice now and He's calling me.

Beautiful

[pneuma]

I had a young fellow inform me recently that....


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All comes from God is true ... All exists "because" of God. All ends up either with God or away from God. This is what is Biblical.

Did you ask this young fellow what scripture says that all comes from Him, all exists because of Him,All end up with Him or away from Him?

Well he started right, all comes, all exists, all ends up with God

Then he went and added to the scriptures, or away from God.

When is the messages of the churches going to change to

NOTHING CAN SEPERATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD.

[Hennessey]

I see an army - I hear a song
rise in the nations, beautiful and strong.
A song of mercy that shatters pride,
a song of great love that purifies.

I see warriors with hands upraised,
holding no weapon, but their swords of praise.
Strongholds shatter. Kings bow down
before the Master and yield their crowns.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

I see the earth now, its groanings cease.
Creation lifts praise to the Prince of Peace.
Wars have ended and weapons fall.
An invitation to one and all.

I see the Church now as a passionate Bride.
I see her Lover with His fiery eyes.
All His longing and her desire
join as one flame in heaven's fire.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

I see a kingdom that never ends.
I see a Judge now who calls sinners 'Friends'.
Who gathers rebels and overwhelms
Them with His mercy so He can dwell
in hearts He's captured and rules in love.
He wraps around them a robe dipped in blood.
His tears are washing their fears away
and then He lifts them to see His face.

And every eye will see Him as Love wins through at last.
And every heart be drawn unto the Lamb.
Every voice will cry out what every heart will know
and before the throne we stand.

All will gaze in wonder at the reach of heaven's plan.
How could mercy touch the lowest man?
Drawn from every nation, every voice,and every tongue, amazed at what the Lord of Love has done.
amazed at what the Lord of Love has done.

I see a King now and I believe.
I hear His voice now and He's calling me.

I am so thankful I can hear this song and I pray, soon others will also.

Thanks for posting this Finelinen. It is going up on my two blogs as a Thangiving post.

Jack

[Kept]

Hey Gerry redid his site and put that song on there too! I didnt even know  :thumbsup:

:boyheart:

by the way folks that is my husband singing and he wrote that song for me before he even believed in ur when it was life in me but just perculating in him

kept

[Hennessey]

perfect Kept ........... makes it all the more special!   :HeartThrob: