Matthew 13 -- Wheat & Tares

[Nathan]

Let me give Explanations to Problem #1 & #2


1.

The disciples at that time have no eyes to distinguish tares from the wheat.
So if they are allowed to remove tares, they would remove anything, including wheat.

Likewise, we do not know what is good to God's standard,
However, we are judging good and evil by our own standard, ethical probably.
This will damage God's good.
Think about what Saul(Paul) did, before he met Jesus.


2.

They, the disciples, can do that only when
they reached Pentacost stage of their faith.
At that stage, they will become the reapers, the angels in the parable,
who have eyes to distinguish good and evil.

And only at that point,
they can understand the meaning of this parable.
But now, no matter what extra explanation are given,
they cannot hear.
They will not know what it means, until they grow up to that stage.

So the Bible is not to be studied,
but as we grow in faith, the Bible will read to us.

So are you saying then the wheat to you are godly people and tares are ungodly?  that's been the argument from the beginning.

[70sevens]

Quote from Nathan--------------------------
So are you saying then the wheat to you are godly people
and tares are ungodly?  that's been the argument from the beginning.
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Yes, that's right. I do not see any problem saying that.
Earlier, I mentioned that tare is flesh(=sinner)
and wheat is spirit(=born-again man).


Blessings.

[Nathan]

Okay, "if" it's dealing with godly people versus ungodly people . . .then what damage is being done if the one is being removed from the other?  How can removing ungodly people from godly people, damage the godly people? 

[70sevens]

The point is this.
Tare himself does not have eyes to distinguish tare and wheat.

Think about one of the famous tares, Saul (former name of Paul).
You would know what Saul did before he met Jesus?
He was the man who tried very hard to single out tares from wheat in the name of God.
But, in fact, what he singled out were wheat, not tares.
He put that wheat into jail.
Saul was doing damages to wheat in the process of removing tares. 

So Jesus said to Saul when He met him in Damascus.

[Ac 9:4]
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him,
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

He persecuted (damaged) the believers in the name of God ignorantly.

[jabcat]

And could it be that it has to do with my attitude, that I'm not to judge and try to remove the bad?  What if I'm wrong?  It better be real obvious, because most of the time, I'd say we don't really know the difference...only God sees the heart. 

[Molly]

The point is this.
Tare himself does not have eyes to distinguish tare and wheat.

Think about one of the famous tares, Saul (former name of Paul).
You would know what Saul did before he met Jesus?
He was the man who tried very hard to single out tares from wheat in the name of God.
But, in fact, what he singled out were wheat, not tares.
He put that wheat into jail.
Saul was doing damages to wheat in the process of removing tares. 

So Jesus said to Saul when He met him in Damascus.

[Ac 9:4]
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him,
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

He persecuted (damaged) the believers in the name of God ignorantly.

The interesting thing about that is that Paul was getting it right every single time.    He could tell the tares from the wheat, he just didn't know which was which.

Was Paul ever a tare himself?  I find it hard to say that about a man who was set apart in his mother's womb.



15But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased

16to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,

--Gal 1


"set me apart"

G873
ἀφορίζω
aphorizō
af-or-id'-zo
From G575 and G3724; to set off by boundary, that is, (figuratively) limit, exclude, appoint, etc.: - divide, separate, sever.

[Molly]

Oh look at this.

15Faithful [is] the word, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom *I* am [the] first [Greek: protos].

--1 Tim (Darby Translation)

Paul is not saying he is the first sinner, or the worst sinner--he is saying he is the first sinner to be saved.


Hebrews 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


It is the second appearance [coming of] Christ which Paul experienced on the road to Damascus.  That word "appear" is "optonomai,"  meaning "to gaze with wide open eyes"--Paul sees Christ and he is changed!


16But for this reason mercy was shewn me, that in me, [the] first [Greek:protos], Jesus Christ might display the whole long-suffering, for a delineation of those about to believe on him to life eternal.

--1Tim 1

He is saying that Jesus is using him as an example of what it looks like for those who are about to believe on Christ unto eternal life.  He is the first example of this process of receiving God's mercy unto salvation.


What happens to him on the road to Damascus?--a blinding light and voice.

We know what that voice is--John has already told us in the first chapter of Revelation--"a great voice as of a trumpet" [Rev 1:10]


And Paul will tell us in 1Cor 15 that when the last trumpet (the trumpet of tabernacles) sounds, in a moment, meaning on an atomic level (greek:atomos), in the twinkling of an eye, we shall be changed.



17Now to the King of the ages, [the] incorruptible, invisible, only God, honour and glory to the ages of ages. Amen.

--1Tim 1

[Taffy]

Nice post Molly , That eyesalve is AWESOME

[Molly]

Nice post Molly , That eyesalve is AWESOME

Yes, Nathan has pointed out we are in the third day, which would be tabernacles, and Tony has pointed out our God is the happy God.  I never saw that before but if God is happy, that's good enough for me--I find that very comforting because He knows more than I do.



1Tim 1:11

According to the Gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


"blessed" [God]

G3107

makarios

supremely blessed, happy

[Sarah]

Okay, "if" it's dealing with godly people versus ungodly people . . .then what damage is being done if the one is being removed from the other?  How can removing ungodly people from godly people, damage the godly people? 

The reason given in scripture is that one might accidentily pull up/destroy the godly while pulling out the ungodly. The correct time to separate is harvest time, perhaps when the difference between wheat and tares is clearly seen. In other words, let the evil become exceedingly evil and the good become exceedingly good so the distiction is clearly made. If I am a young wheat bud  :happygrin: and am deciding whom to follow, I may choose a tare if he looks a lot like me. I may stay in the city, be gathered in the barn, and burned. This is why the burning didn't occur until harvest time when the plants were mature. I'm sure by that time it was very apparent who were followers of Jesus and who were not. In the beginning Christianity was seen as more of a theological deviation, it wasn't until later that the radicalness of it manifested.

From reading the parable we get the mental picture of winged creatures separating people, but in reality it is people who separate themselves based upon their response to the messenger. If the flood or fire comes to early, the message hasn't been given the chance to reveal the heart.

[alihaymeg]

It is not the person who is burned up but their unworthy works (the tares). That which remains (the wheat) is their worthy works.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

[70sevens]

Okay, "if" it's dealing with godly people versus ungodly people . . .
then what damage is being done if the one is being removed from the other? 
How can removing ungodly people from godly people, damage the godly people? 

The reason given in scripture is that one might accidentily pull up/destroy the godly while pulling out the ungodly.
The correct time to separate is harvest time, perhaps when the difference between wheat and tares is clearly seen.

I am afraid
here, Jesus is not saying the bud time of tares and wheat,
but fruit time when both are fully grown and are clearly distinguishable.
Please see the following verse.

[Mt 13:26]
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit,
then appeared the tares also.

So it is not matter of accidentality that might happen because of bud time,
but the matter of his beingness whether tare or wheat.

Tares have no eyes.
So they cannot tell tares from wheat, even though tares have reached fruit time.
For instance, Saul (tare) watched and saw the fruit of tares,
and he tried to remove them. But they were wheat.

Someone said about Saul as follows:
"He could tell the tares from the wheat, he just didn't know which was which."
The above sentence is self-contradictory.
If a person could tell the tares from the wheat, he did know which was which.

[fire walker]

It is not the person who is burned up but their unworthy works (the tares). That which remains (the wheat) is their worthy works.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

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I certainly agree with the point of your message along with the quoted scripture Alihaymeg.

For me this message has been made plain:
That all of mankind shall be found with some works to be burned, some possibly much more than others, most may go through that burning during the course of this life before the grave that part is up to God who knows the heart because there are far too many things where the flesh profits nothing outside of the temporal fruits of our sweat and labor in this life, in fact scripture  tells us the flesh profits nothing spiritualy in eternal things, that I believe is what Paul was pointing out when he said: that which he would do he did not, and the very things he would not do that he did because of the tare (sin) that dwelled within him.  He probably knew which things they were yet as he prayed many times asking for God to remove this thorne God said "no", God knew Paul would be exalted above measure by other men and maybe even in Pauls own eyes, so Gods ways are not our ways when it comes to working out Gods devine plan for each and every one of us.

It appears we all have the tares and the wheat within us, if we try to improve and remove the tare or what we think is tare by the doctrines and standards set forth by men or by our own measure and standard it would be no more than works of
self-righteousness which could damage or hinder the wheat within us far more than if we just left it to rest in Christ and trusted in Gods grace and the Spirits guidance within until the end as he is the one who directs our steps in sickness and in health just as he did with Job and many others while in this life.

Peace,
Fire Walker

[Molly]

1Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

2Shake thyself from the dust; arise, sit down, Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, captive daughter of Zion.

3For thus saith Jehovah: Ye have sold yourselves for nought, and ye shall be redeemed without money.

4For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: My people went down at the first into Egypt to sojourn there, and Assyria oppressed them without cause;

5and now, what have I here, saith Jehovah, that my people hath been taken away for nought? They that rule over them make them to howl, saith Jehovah; and continually all the day is my name scorned.

6Therefore my people shall know my name; therefore [they shall know] in that day that I [am] HE, that saith, Here am I.

7How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that announceth glad tidings, that publisheth peace; that announceth glad tidings of good, that publisheth salvation, that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

8-- The voice of thy watchmen, they lift up the voice, they sing aloud together; for they shall see eye to eye, when Jehovah shall bring again Zion.

9Break forth, sing aloud together, waste places of Jerusalem; for Jehovah comforteth his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

10Jehovah hath made bare his holy arm in the sight of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

11-- Depart, depart, go out from thence, touch not what is unclean; go out of the midst of her, be ye clean, that bear the vessels of Jehovah.

12For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight; for Jehovah will go before you, and the God of Israel will be your rear-guard.

13Behold, my servant shall deal prudently; he shall be exalted and be lifted up, and be very high.

14As many were astonished at thee -- his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the children of men

15-- so shall he astonish many nations; kings shall shut their mouths at him: for what had not been told them shall they see, and what they had not heard shall they consider.


--Isa 52




10 Love works no ill to its neighbour; love therefore [is the] whole law.

11This also, knowing the time, that it is already time that *we* should be aroused out of sleep; for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.

12The night is far spent, and the day is near; let us cast away therefore the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

13As in the day, let us walk becomingly; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and lasciviousness, not in strife and emulation.

14But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not take forethought for the flesh to [fulfil its] lusts.

--Rom 13




[all the ends of the earth shall see]

"the salvation of our God"

Y'shuah 'ĕlôhîym

[Sarah]

Mathew 13

36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

The explanation of the parable is very clear. Yes, the seed does refer to men and things within men. And obviously since God is the savior of all men I am not promoting annihilation. It is a matter of falling on the rock and being broken, or having the rock fall on you and being ground to powder.

am afraid
here, Jesus is not saying the bud time of tares and wheat,
but fruit time when both are fully grown and are clearly distinguishable.
Please see the following verse.

I think this is what I was saying.

It is not the person who is burned up but their unworthy works (the tares). That which remains (the wheat) is their worthy works.

I agree. But what of pharisee who has no worthy works? All was built on the sand of ritual and tradition and not on love and mercy. When the winds came and the collapse of the house was complete and disasterous, certainly their was much weeping and knashing of teeth. As it will be for us if we come to the end of our days in this tent and realize that our life was nothing more than fit for a garbage dump because all was done in self serving purposes.

[jabcat]

I agree...I believe that in some rare cases (Pharisees, Hitler) the only thing that may be worth saving is the spirit within us, which will return to God from whence it came.

[alihaymeg]

God will eventually purify every human soul. Yes, even Hitler and the Pharisees will eventually get there. Our works refers to more than what can be observed overtly. Only God knows the desires of the heart, and He is the only worthy judge. I don't know anyone who is incapable of showing kindness, or patience, or gentleness, or meekness, or longsuffering etc. These are the fruits of the spirit and they are the "good works" that we are talking about. Jesus said to love God with all of your being, and to love your neighbor as yourself. This sums up the Law and the Prophets. It is really very simple (in theory). Just walk in love and don't do anything without listening to your spirit. However (in practice) it is much harder to do than to say.

Being a student of psychology, I see people all the time who are suffering from mental and physical ailments that keep them from being able to control their anger and other compulsions. It is easy to make the "Fundamental Attribution Error" and assume that these actions are due to the person's character. We see ourselves, on the other hand, as being the victims of circumstance when we fail to walk in love. The point is that it may take longer for some to reach perfection, but all eventually will.

[Sarah]

Great Post Alimayheg!

Yes, the good works are the natural outcropping of the spirit. When I think of not producing the fruits of the spirit, it is because the life is spent in the satisfying of the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eye, and the pride of life. What better way to satisfy the flesh than to elevate oneself through religious ideology while hypocritically satisfying the lusts! The Pharasee was great at this, but I think we would be presumptuous to think this spirit is rare and limited to those in Jesus time and Hitler.

When I think of the 'punishment' of this person, it is in realization. It is a realization of the truth. That you spent your whole life for a worthless cause, that the product of your endevers were useless, that your fruit was nasty, and the vanity of your life is fit for the dump. You also realize the impact you have had on others, good or bad. I believe the experience would be like loosing children. But thank God their is restoration and love!

[alihaymeg]

Yep! There will be restoration and love for every one. Even though those who put themselves first here will be last in the kingdom to come, they will still be welcomed in. Those who live a life of servitude will inherit the positions of authority in the next age (It is not earnable by works of the flesh, but is only achievable by obedience to the Holy Spirit). 

Free will is an illusion. I use instruments for evaluating a person's tendencies to respond on a regular basis. These instruments use very focused questions intended to limit the posible responses. The most focused question is "True & False". It leaves little room for interpretation or subtlety. Our predicament is like that. Yes, we have choices, but they are limited between two extremes. Two voices influence us. The voice of the Holy Spirit and the voice of the flesh. Our (so called) free will does not allow us to create other options for responding. We are limited to these two. Yes, life is a test. But it is not a pass or fail situation. Even if we never make the correct response, we are still sons and daughters of God.

[Nathan]

I've enjoyed this thread.  I can't tell you how great it is to see that there are many coming into the realization that this wheat and tares thing is not just dealing with sinners and saints.  I believe that "does" have an application, but for me, it's not to be the emphasis.  The emphasis for me is understanding that there are both the good seeds and bad planted within me.  And as I mature . . .the fruit of both come to manifest.  What separates them in me is the Word of God . . not Scripture . .but the living Word that Scripture is a part of, just not the whole.

In the natural, when a tare sprouts up with the wheat, they look identical.  The naked eye can't tell which one is of worth and which one is not.  It's only through the maturity of time in both that it becomes evident which one is which.  the wheat becomes heavy with fruit and it bows over  . . .a sign of submission . . .where as the tare, which has a pod similar to the wheat but the pod of a tare is hollow . . .causing it to stand erect and brittle.  The sign of pride.

There has been no really good explanation given to explain why sinners are not to be separated from saints or what kind of damage the removal of the sinners would have on the saints . . . that was why I kept asking the questions . . .

The other point on this is . . .it is a field where a crop is planted .. .not like the garden . .there is a big difference between a garden and a field.  A garden, a tree is planted, and as it grows, it bears much fruit year after year depending on weather conditions as to how much fruit is produced, but fruit is produced nonetheless.  However with a field . . .you plant once . . .you get fruit once . . .but then you have to wait for the next season where the ground thaws, (heart softens) soil is cultivated and ferilized, seed planted . . and "then" depending on the weather as to how much of a crop you get . .but point is . .when dealing with fields, you are living in the second dimension of the temple life.

There is no rest.  There is never-ending activity required in order for the harvest to be full.  Harvest comes through labor when you are in a "field" mentality.  But when you pursue the holy of holies .. the garden mentality, the scales of spiritual blindness fall from your eyes and you begin to see men as trees . . .where God plants his seed of life and year after year, without the laboring mind of man, fruit comes forth.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi, just passing thru and saw this post. I haven't read all the replies, so not stepping on anybody's toe's here, just sharing. This is one of my favorite passages, as it is what the Lord used to show me; 1) deliverance for Christians, and 2) there is no rapture as it is being taught in the churches. Praise be to God.

He opened my understanding one night 23 years ago when my Bible fell open to this passage, and after I read it, I was slain in the Spirit. I called the only friend of mine who was being raised up as I was at that time, and told her line by line, what had been opened to me. A few seconds later, I heard her go, "WOOO!" and her phone dropped, and I knew she had been slain as well. I said,(not expecting an answer); "That's exactly what happened to me, I wonder why He did that?!" And He said; "Because my Word is Spirit and you have just received pure Spirit."

Anyway, Matt. 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;  38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;  39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.  40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;  42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.  43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

We know that the good seed is Christ which has been sown in us, ie. Christ in us the hope of glory, in the field, which is identified as the "world". The Word is personal to us, we are the world, Adam was taken from the dust of the earth/world, and he was put to sleep, but you cannot find where God ever woke him up. It is interesting to note that the Hebrew word for ankle, literally means, "the end of the world." And the Kingdom of God is within us, so we know He is talking about us.

This is because Satan who was commanded to eat/consume our dust, is in the earth realm, ie. his tares were planted in ALL OF US, while we/Adam have been asleep in the "dust". This is why all sin is common to man, or all sin is buried in man. We have the choice of whether or not to give it "life" ie. soulish expression, but it is very much there. In our walk, as we decrease so Christ in us can increase, He begins to remove the tares, which are that which offends and does iniquity, and cast them into the fire of the Holy Ghost to be consumed. The angels (which means messages or messengers) come to bring instruction/deliverance, that truly end this "world" of soulish dominion.

It is the same in content as if you put a lit candle under a bushel basket, and removed one stave of the basket at a time. First a little light comes through, and then as more staves are removed, a little more light, until finally the candle set upon a hill is not hid anymore. The tares/darkness are anti-Christ in two ways; 1) they are literally against, in the sense of next to, or covering Christ within us, and 2) they are counter to His nature. The righteous shining forth, is Christ in each one. Blessings...

[Nathan]

:cloud9: Hi, just passing thru and saw this post. I haven't read all the replies, so not stepping on anybody's toe's here, just sharing. This is one of my favorite passages, as it is what the Lord used to show me; 1) deliverance for Christians, and 2) there is no rapture as it is being taught in the churches. Praise be to God.

He opened my understanding one night 23 years ago when my Bible fell open to this passage, and after I read it, I was slain in the Spirit. I called the only friend of mine who was being raised up as I was at that time, and told her line by line, what had been opened to me. A few seconds later, I heard her go, "WOOO!" and her phone dropped, and I knew she had been slain as well. I said,(not expecting an answer); "That's exactly what happened to me, I wonder why He did that?!" And He said; "Because my Word is Spirit and you have just received pure Spirit."

Anyway, Matt. 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;  38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;  39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.  40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;  42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.  43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

We know that the good seed is Christ which has been sown in us, ie. Christ in us the hope of glory, in the field, which is identified as the "world". The Word is personal to us, we are the world, Adam was taken from the dust of the earth/world, and he was put to sleep, but you cannot find where God ever woke him up. It is interesting to note that the Hebrew word for ankle, literally means, "the end of the world." And the Kingdom of God is within us, so we know He is talking about us.

This is because Satan who was commanded to eat/consume our dust, is in the earth realm, ie. his tares were planted in ALL OF US, while we/Adam have been asleep in the "dust". This is why all sin is common to man, or all sin is buried in man. We have the choice of whether or not to give it "life" ie. soulish expression, but it is very much there. In our walk, as we decrease so Christ in us can increase, He begins to remove the tares, which are that which offends and does iniquity, and cast them into the fire of the Holy Ghost to be consumed. The angels (which means messages or messengers) come to bring instruction/deliverance, that truly end this "world" of soulish dominion.

It is the same in content as if you put a lit candle under a bushel basket, and removed one stave of the basket at a time. First a little light comes through, and then as more staves are removed, a little more light, until finally the candle set upon a hill is not hid anymore. The tares/darkness are anti-Christ in two ways; 1) they are literally against, in the sense of next to, or covering Christ within us, and 2) they are counter to His nature. The righteous shining forth, is Christ in each one. Blessings...

Ahhhh .,  . . a fresh breeze just went through . . . . can ya feel it??? :goodpost:

[70sevens]

1. Recognizing Ourselves.

Are we tares or wheat?
Identify ourselves first!

The original question of this thread was :   
if these aren't individual people, why does Jesus personify them?

Yes, Jesus personified them because they are individual people.

Jesus wants us to confirm our current beingness, whether we are tares or wheat, black or white.
Here are only two classifications, tares or wheat.
Not three i.e., 'tares', 'wheat' and 'the man tares and wheat within'.
So if we say we are the men with tares and wheat elements inside, we are missing the point.
We should not watch this scene, as a third party. We should be the scene itself.

If we are tares,
we cannot tell what is Christ from what is anti-Christ.
Under this circumstance, even Christ cannot do any good to us.   
To blind man, even the light cannot do anything.

So we should not deceive ourselves
by saying that the living Word of God (the Christ, the Lord, the light)
will come to us to remove tares within us.
Even though that is true, but to tares its only a pie in the sky.
Because tares have no eyes at all to tell the Christ from anti-Christ.


2. Purification Process

The following purification process by Jesus Christ is only applicable
to those who have the eyes to recognize Him.
This is their harvest time in their faith life, which is mentioned in the parable.

The harvest time will come only to a person who realize himself as real tare.
When he realize himself as real tare, then he will have eyes to see Jesus Christ to follow.
And he, the real tare, now can associate with Jesus Christ who is the friend of sinners.

Jesus is waiting for this harvest time for each one of us.
Therefore, Jesus said in the parable "Let both grow together until the harvest"
The real tare will be born again as wheat in due course by Jesus.

So we also have to go through the process,
i.e., 'from tares to wheat' by recognizing ourselves as real tare.

This is because Satan who was commanded to eat/consume our dust, is in the earth realm, ie. his tares were planted in ALL OF US, while we/Adam have been asleep in the "dust". This is why all sin is common to man, or all sin is buried in man. We have the choice of whether or not to give it "life" ie. soulish expression, but it is very much there. In our walk, as we decrease so Christ in us can increase, He begins to remove the tares, which are that which offends and does iniquity, and cast them into the fire of the Holy Ghost to be consumed. The angels (which means messages or messengers) come to bring instruction/deliverance, that truly end this "world" of soulish dominion.

[Sarah]

70sevens,

You say that you are either a wheat or a tare.
You say tares can't know that they are tares because they have no eyes.
Then you say of the tares "When he realize himself as real tare, then he will have eyes to see Jesus Christ to follow."

This is a paradox. How can you realize you are a tare if you haven't eyes? This scenario seems complicated that you have drawn.

In reality it is simple. When Jesus spoke this parable he was speaking of men. Those men who trusted in the temple and Jerusalum for salvation experienced the weeping of knashing of teeth when it burned. Those men who trusted in Jesus, heeded his words and escaped.

In application to us now, we are the field and the seeds are words of God. Will we suffer great loss at the end of our age with weeping and knashing of teeth or will we yield a crop? The physical first then the spiritual.

[Nathan]

In agreement with Sarah on this, I'd like to also at the thought of Paul's explanation of having this inner battle going on WITHIN him . . . "I know what I should do (wheat) but I don't do it (tare) and I know what I shouldn't do (wheat) but I go ahead and do it anyway (tare).  Oh what a wretched man I am!  Why?  Because "I become what I behold"  and if all I'm focusing on is my realm of flesh .. . that's all I'm ever going to see, death and destruction.

But Paul had a revelation "Thanks be to God . . here, read it for yourself :bigGrin:

14For we know that the law is spiritual: (good seed) but I am carnal (carnal seed) , sold under sin.

15For that which I do (tare) I allow not (wheat): for what I would, (wheat) that do I not; (tare) but what I hate,(wheat) that do I. (tare)  see the patterns?

16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


For those who see themselves "in" Christ . . . you can not sin . . . it's your mind that tells you that you can and do . . .but the spirit isn't the one pointing that out . .it's the flesh . . .who told you that you were naked???