Lake of fire?

[WhiteWings]

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

imo, yes

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

Yes.

Aaaarghhh. So the 50 or so pages of the last 2 months wasn't about not dying in this life but in the LoF.
I guess I can stop praying now  :laughing7:

[Zeek]

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

imo, yes

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

Yes.

Aaaarghhh. So the 50 or so pages of the last 2 months wasn't about not dying in this life but in the LoF.
I guess I can stop praying now  :laughing7:

My take, is (using Noah story as an example); that Noah "worked out his salvation with fear and trembling" staying obedient during his "trial in the wildereness", staying faithful to the "end", receiving the "end of his faith, the salvation of his soul; spared from the "horrible tempest,

Psa 11:6  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Gen 6:8  But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;


safe within the ark.



what's your take on the lof??

[WhiteWings]

See what Zeek?
I don't know what the question is about.
So I answer both :laughing7:
a] I simply can't understand/agree people possibly will not die in this life.
b] Praying... Well I'm unable to pray.

Dunno if the answers are of any use to you but they are honest answers :sigh:

[Zeek]

See what Zeek?
I don't know what the question is about.
So I answer both :laughing7:
a] I simply can't understand/agree people possibly will not die in this life.
b] Praying... Well I'm unable to pray.

Dunno if the answers are of any use to you but they are honest answers :sigh:

otay

well honesty is a good thing, as "all liars" ......

:)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Tell me something, anyone. If this is the lake of fire, and all gets consumed that is of darkness, INCLUDING death, the last enemy, of what do we die? Blessings....

[WhiteWings]

Seems our posts got posted almost at the same time. So my previous message was a reply to your previous message...

2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

I though 8 persons were saved.
I'm sure there is some significance in calling Noach the eigth person. Persons 1 till 7 of his household were saved too.
I'm sure it links to the days of the week. But exactly how...

what's your take on the lof??

18 month ago I didn't even know it existed. I heared of hell. That's about it.
Then I learned hell is just another name for hell. Then I learned hell is grave and LoF is not torture.
But I think your question is not really about what LoF is but when? Right now or after death. I simply don't know. But I'm edging to after death. But I hope it's now but in that case I'm really enjoying LoF. It's not that I can't see anything to be improved in my life but certainly it's a good life.

Zeek, again a honest answer (or a liar.... :laughing7:) Not of much use. I'm just a  :newb:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Eight = new day, new beginning, overcomers, fruitfulness, eternity (from the figure 8 path), which ties in with the  the pillars, ie. to him that overcometh I will him a pillar in my Father's temple. The fretwork on the pillars ties in with the mercy seat and the crown given to the overcomers.

And the male children (sons) were rubbed with salt (sterilizes and burns like fire), circumcised, and given their name/natures on the 8th day. Blessings....

[rosered]

:cloud9: Eight = new day, new beginning, overcomers, fruitfulness, eternity (from the figure 8 path), which ties in with the  the pillars, ie. to him that overcometh I will him a pillar in my Father's temple. The fretwork on the pillars ties in with the mercy seat and the crown given to the overcomers.

And the male children (sons) were rubbed with salt (sterilizes and burns like fire), circumcised, and given their name/natures on the 8th day. Blessings....

:thumbsup:    yes the symbolism is very important sis !   :HeartThrob:

[Barry DuPont]

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

imo, yes

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

Yes.

Aaaarghhh. So the 50 or so pages of the last 2 months wasn't about not dying in this life but in the LoF.
I guess I can stop praying now  :laughing7:

The lake if fire is the catastrophic end of the old covenant in AD 70.
The second death is the end of that legacy and the reproach upon that legacy that is attached to ego driven identity under the precedence of types and figures. [Which is an absence of a historical revelation of God's love without condition. Such a revelation however was played out in history for the ongoing future of humanity.]
The lake of fire (baptism of fire) and the second death are interrelated.

All of this about "this life".
None of this has anything to do with postmortem continuity as Christendom has calculated it.
None of this has anything to do with the spirit returning to God or punishment after death.

It dealt with covenant issues that are expressed in terms of everlasting destruction and eternal life which are expressions of reproach-legacy-inefficacy and perpetual efficacy in this life as pertains to ongoing history (the new age which was the generational expectation of Jesus, the apostles and in all the gospels and Epistles).
The reward for the faithful was the inauguration of the new age making everything new. A blessing to all forever. And a blessing to all who lived and died under the old covenant.

The only law or separation that exists is presently between our ears. There is no "covenant" for separation to stand on. The only accuser is between our ears. The works of the devil are destroyed.
Christ is the last Adam.
We are the benefactors.


Many blessings Barry

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: Eight = new day, new beginning, overcomers, fruitfulness, eternity (from the figure 8 path), which ties in with the  the pillars, ie. to him that overcometh I will him a pillar in my Father's temple. The fretwork on the pillars ties in with the mercy seat and the crown given to the overcomers.

And the male children (sons) were rubbed with salt (sterilizes and burns like fire), circumcised, and given their name/natures on the 8th day. Blessings....

I knew all/most of that. (thats why I thing there are 7 aion and the 8th eon is eternity)
But it doesn't really answer my question. Why was Noach the 8th? Why not just say eigth? All eight people got survived. Not just one of eight...?

[WhiteWings]

The lake if fire is the catastrophic end of the old covenant in AD 70.

I believe you Barry.
I also believe Willie LoF is now.
I also believe... who says LoF is after death.
I also believe a lot of other variations.
I believe a lot of things except torture.

So that's my answer. I can't argue about things that that are very unclear to me. Once I figured it out be shure the whole world will know! Speaking as a true Calvinist that means only to the elect on this forum :laughing7:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: ROFLOL..........true Calvinist, eh?

And; for my money, I'd say it said Noah was the 8th because He was both a hearer and a doer of the Word, which is what it's going to take to become an overcomer. Blessings....

[rosered]

:cloud9: Eight = new day, new beginning, overcomers, fruitfulness, eternity (from the figure 8 path), which ties in with the  the pillars, ie. to him that overcometh I will him a pillar in my Father's temple. The fretwork on the pillars ties in with the mercy seat and the crown given to the overcomers.

And the male children (sons) were rubbed with salt (sterilizes and burns like fire), circumcised, and given their name/natures on the 8th day. Blessings....

I knew all/most of that. (thats why I thing there are 7 aion and the 8th eon is eternity)
But it doesn't really answer my question. Why was Noach the 8th? Why not just say eigth? All eight people got survived. Not just one of eight...?

Bro   you know why
 because Noah means ''rest''

  he was saved by water because the ground/flesh  was cursed
 the Water is symbolice of the Word of God / Jesus Christ
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
the ark of  the covenant
 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:  


2Pe 3:7   But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


 the rest/ noah  Hbr 4:9 There remains therefore a'' rest ''to the people of God.  

 Noah  example   Peter touches on very well ......

 and than the Fire  cleansing Jesus  promises  to do for His people    that Paul touches on


1Cr 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.  

 :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: ROFLOL..........true Calvinist, eh?

That sorta fits with my elect 'joke' :winkgrin:
I might not be a Christian but I can tell you I feel Calvinist are closer to satanism that atheists... (am I allowed to say that?_

And; for my money, I'd say it said Noah was the 8th because He was both a hearer and a doer of the Word, which is what it's going to take to become an overcomer. Blessings....

Why wre the others saved?
Just to please Noach and not because they were worthy in God's eyes?
Ignoring the fact producing offspring would kinda hard for  a lonely Noach :laughing7:

[rosered]

:cloud9: ROFLOL..........true Calvinist, eh?

And; for my money, I'd say it said Noah was the 8th because He was both a hearer and a doer of the Word, which is what it's going to take to become an overcomer. Blessings....

:thumbsup: amen to that ..  died in faith  rest in the Lord to do His thing  Hbr 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.   :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: If I remember right WW, Methuselah was the 8th from Adam as well.........Blessings....

[willieH]

willieH: Hi  Xxxxxxx :eek:... :hithere:

I appreciate your perceptions Willie and your overall message of LOVE.  I personally have a different view at this time re: "flesh, and death", but am open to change.  I am thankful for the awareness that no perception is truth, but only points to the unchanging TRUTH.

I too have respect to your views bro... None of us "know it all"... I continually [daily] learn from the WORD... It is commendable that you are open to change, ...I too am open to His further leading every day.  If we are "closed", then we have encased ourselves in our pride to a degree that states that God has no more to teach us... How "off the mark" is that?  :laughing7:

My perception of what "all flesh" is different from yours; and don't  see "all flesh that dies" as referring to literal death, ie: Gen 9 for Noah, and that literal death being the wages for sin.

You note your "perception" to be different than mine, but negate noting it, ...why is that?   :secret:  Are you planning on sharing it?  :prankster:  I look forward to reading it...  :winkgrin:

what do u think of these verses, and how do they fit in with your ideas:

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Well... I can only answer this with PAUL's words (which PRECEEDED and PREFACED these) -- who was

(1) in the Spirit of CHRIST as he wrote them and,

(2) quite EMBATTLED by the FLESH in which he resided, when writing them... 

Actually the WHOLE 7th chapter of Romans is applicable to answer your question, but let me zero in here:

Rom 7:22-24 -- For I delight in the law of God after the inward man ...but I see another law in MY MEMBERS, warring against the law of my mind and BRINGING ME into CAPTIVITY to the LAW OF SIN, which is IN MY MEMBERS ...O wretched man that --- I AM --- [an observation of himself, written in present tense] --- who shall deliver ME from the body [in which he STILL resided] of THIS DEATH?

Rom 8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

A question of YOU is in order XEEK!  Do you think that it is YOU mortify the deeds of the Body?

And if you are able to, that YOU shall escape PHYSICAL DEATH?

To answer... it is LIFE that overcomes DEATH... and JESUS noted Himself as -- "the way, the truth, and --- THE LIFE!" -- So in overcoming the deeds of my body... I am a bystander to the POWER of LIFE which is THAT which actually overcomes the workings of DEATH in me (which are "my workings")...

In that process, ...every moment I submit to CHRIST is found IMPERISHABLE for it is founded upon the doings of CHRIST (gold, silver, precious stones), nor me... however, every moment I submit to the doings of SELF (which is what PAUL is noting in Romans 7 and JOHN in 1 John 1:8 -- DEATH is realized in those "doings" (wood, hay, stubble) --  :dontknow:

Joh 3:36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Is that it brother X -- I mean, Z :eek:?   :JCThink: 

I believe I just answered you in the statement before, however, since you are "open" here are a few other words: 

The moments one SOWS to the flesh, bring [reap] DEATH to those moments... {they shall PERISH} ...the moments one SOWS to the Spirit, bring [reap] LIFE to those moments... {they shall ABIDE} -- 1 Cor 3:14-15

Rom 1:18 -- [the beginning of this discourse] -- ...the WRATH of God -- IS REVEALED [not "will be"] from heaven against ALL ungodliness, and unrighteousness OF men, who hold the truth [by their SINFUL doings] IN unrighteousness --

...willieH (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/somebody614/grouphug2.gif)

[Zeek]

willieH: Hi  Xxxxxxx :eek:... :hithere:

I appreciate your perceptions Willie and your overall message of LOVE.  I personally have a different view at this time re: "flesh, and death", but am open to change.  I am thankful for the awareness that no perception is truth, but only points to the unchanging TRUTH.

I too have respect to your views bro... None of us "know it all"... I continually [daily] learn from the WORD... It is commendable that you are open to change, ...I too am open to His further leading every day.  If we are "closed", then we have encased ourselves in our pride to a degree that states that God has no more to teach us... How "off the mark" is that?  :laughing7:

My perception of what "all flesh" is different from yours; and don't  see "all flesh that dies" as referring to literal death, ie: Gen 9 for Noah, and that literal death being the wages for sin.

You note your "perception" to be different than mine, but negate noting it, ...why is that?   :secret:  Are you planning on sharing it?  :prankster:  I look forward to reading it...  :winkgrin:

what do u think of these verses, and how do they fit in with your ideas:

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Well... I can only answer this with PAUL's words (which PRECEEDED and PREFACED these) -- who was

(1) in the Spirit of CHRIST as he wrote them and,

(2) quite EMBATTLED by the FLESH in which he resided, when writing them... 

Actually the WHOLE 7th chapter of Romans is applicable to answer your question, but let me zero in here:

Rom 7:22-24 -- For I delight in the law of God after the inward man ...but I see another law in MY MEMBERS, warring against the law of my mind and BRINGING ME into CAPTIVITY to the LAW OF SIN, which is IN MY MEMBERS ...O wretched man that --- I AM --- [an observation of himself, written in present tense] --- who shall deliver ME from the body [in which he STILL resided] of THIS DEATH?

Rom 8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

A question of YOU is in order XEEK!  Do you think that it is YOU mortify the deeds of the Body?

And if you are able to, that YOU shall escape PHYSICAL DEATH?

To answer... it is LIFE that overcomes DEATH... and JESUS noted Himself as -- "the way, the truth, and --- THE LIFE!" -- So in overcoming the deeds of my body... I am a bystander to the POWER of LIFE which is THAT which actually overcomes the workings of DEATH in me (which are "my workings")...

In that process, ...every moment I submit to CHRIST is found IMPERISHABLE for it is founded upon the doings of CHRIST (gold, silver, precious stones), nor me... however, every moment I submit to the doings of SELF (which is what PAUL is noting in Romans 7 and JOHN in 1 John 1:8 -- DEATH is realized in those "doings" (wood, hay, stubble) --  :dontknow:

Joh 3:36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Is that it brother X -- I mean, Z :eek:?   :JCThink: 

I believe I just answered you in the statement before, however, since you are "open" here are a few other words: 

The moments one SOWS to the flesh, bring [reap] DEATH to those moments... {they shall PERISH} ...the moments one SOWS to the Spirit, bring [reap] LIFE to those moments... {they shall ABIDE} -- 1 Cor 3:14-15

Rom 1:18 -- [the beginning of this discourse] -- ...the WRATH of God -- IS REVEALED [not "will be"] from heaven against ALL ungodliness, and unrighteousness OF men, who hold the truth [by their SINFUL doings] IN unrighteousness --

...willieH (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/somebody614/grouphug2.gif)

Were the typo's Xxxxx and X purposeful?  or typos by accident?

[WhiteWings]

Were the typo's Xxxxx and X purposeful?  or typos by accident?

Just XillieH's way to say you are Xantastic Zeek  :laughing7:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi  Xxxxxxx :eek:... :hithere:

I appreciate your perceptions Willie and your overall message of LOVE.  I personally have a different view at this time re: "flesh, and death", but am open to change.  I am thankful for the awareness that no perception is truth, but only points to the unchanging TRUTH.

I too have respect to your views bro... None of us "know it all"... I continually [daily] learn from the WORD... It is commendable that you are open to change, ...I too am open to His further leading every day.  If we are "closed", then we have encased ourselves in our pride to a degree that states that God has no more to teach us... How "off the mark" is that?  :laughing7:

My perception of what "all flesh" is different from yours; and don't  see "all flesh that dies" as referring to literal death, ie: Gen 9 for Noah, and that literal death being the wages for sin.

You note your "perception" to be different than mine, but negate noting it, ...why is that?   :secret:  Are you planning on sharing it?  :prankster:  I look forward to reading it...  :winkgrin:

what do u think of these verses, and how do they fit in with your ideas:

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Well... I can only answer this with PAUL's words (which PRECEEDED and PREFACED these) -- who was

(1) in the Spirit of CHRIST as he wrote them and,

(2) quite EMBATTLED by the FLESH in which he resided, when writing them... 

Actually the WHOLE 7th chapter of Romans is applicable to answer your question, but let me zero in here:

Rom 7:22-24 -- For I delight in the law of God after the inward man ...but I see another law in MY MEMBERS, warring against the law of my mind and BRINGING ME into CAPTIVITY to the LAW OF SIN, which is IN MY MEMBERS ...O wretched man that --- I AM --- [an observation of himself, written in present tense] --- who shall deliver ME from the body [in which he STILL resided] of THIS DEATH?

Rom 8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

A question of YOU is in order XEEK!  Do you think that it is YOU mortify the deeds of the Body?

And if you are able to, that YOU shall escape PHYSICAL DEATH?

To answer... it is LIFE that overcomes DEATH... and JESUS noted Himself as -- "the way, the truth, and --- THE LIFE!" -- So in overcoming the deeds of my body... I am a bystander to the POWER of LIFE which is THAT which actually overcomes the workings of DEATH in me (which are "my workings")...

In that process, ...every moment I submit to CHRIST is found IMPERISHABLE for it is founded upon the doings of CHRIST (gold, silver, precious stones), nor me... however, every moment I submit to the doings of SELF (which is what PAUL is noting in Romans 7 and JOHN in 1 John 1:8 -- DEATH is realized in those "doings" (wood, hay, stubble) --  :dontknow:

Joh 3:36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Is that it brother X -- I mean, Z :eek:?   :JCThink: 

I believe I just answered you in the statement before, however, since you are "open" here are a few other words: 

The moments one SOWS to the flesh, bring [reap] DEATH to those moments... {they shall PERISH} ...the moments one SOWS to the Spirit, bring [reap] LIFE to those moments... {they shall ABIDE} -- 1 Cor 3:14-15

Rom 1:18 -- [the beginning of this discourse] -- ...the WRATH of God -- IS REVEALED [not "will be"] from heaven against ALL ungodliness, and unrighteousness OF men, who hold the truth [by their SINFUL doings] IN unrighteousness --

...willieH (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/somebody614/grouphug2.gif)

Were the typo's Xxxxx and X purposeful?  or typos by accident?

By now you should know...

"twas jus fer funsies brud... don't not be takin' no offences!   :friendstu:

[Just thought the pronunciation of X is the same as Z when it is the 1st letter]...

:Peace:

...willieH (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/somebody614/grouphug2.gif)

[willieH]

Were the typo's Xxxxx and X purposeful?  or typos by accident?

Just XillieH's way to say you are Xantastic Zeek  :laughing7:

Yeah! :nod:

What Xhite Xings just said!  :laughing7:

...willieH (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/somebody614/grouphug2.gif)

[CHB]

But it doesn't really answer my question. Why was Noach the 8th? Why not just say eigth? All eight people got survived. Not just one of eight...?

I think it was because Noah was the new beginning of a new era. 8 does mean "new beginning" as Cardinal said.

CHB

[Raggedy Anne]

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

imo, yes

Can "never die" be about the second death (LoF)?

Yes.

Aaaarghhh. So the 50 or so pages of the last 2 months wasn't about not dying in this life but in the LoF.
I guess I can stop praying now  :laughing7:

My take, is (using Noah story as an example); that Noah "worked out his salvation with fear and trembling" staying obedient during his "trial in the wildereness", staying faithful to the "end", receiving the "end of his faith, the salvation of his soul; spared from the "horrible tempest,

Psa 11:6  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Gen 6:8  But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;


safe within the ark.



what's your take on the lof??

Hi Zeek,
That's my take as well.  I think the Lake of Fire will engulf the globe literally
in the same way that the flood literally covered the earth.   

"As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of man,
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage,
until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all (Luke 17:26-27)."


The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?  Isaiah 33:14

Anne

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Laren... :hithere:

My take, is (using Noah story as an example); that Noah "worked out his salvation with fear and trembling" staying obedient during his "trial in the wildereness", staying faithful to the "end", receiving the "end of his faith, the salvation of his soul; spared from the "horrible tempest,

Noah did not receive the Salvation of his SOUL... His Earthly and temporal life was spared [DEATH] from the JUDGMENT of God that came against the WORLD...  

By FAITH Noah, as Abraham -- as Moses -- As Sara -- as Abel -- as Enoch -- as Jacob and the rest of the "gang", did NOT RECIEVE the promises -- Heb 11:13 -- however AWAIT them as do ALL await them... Heb 11:39-40

Noah was "spared" DEATH via the FLOOD, but was NOT "spared" DEATH... for eventually, he DIED -- Gen 9:29 -- :nod:

Psa 11:6  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Who is "wicked" Laren?  Are not ALL MEN, mired in the "mud of wickedness"? -- Jer 17:9 -- Rom 11:32

Gen 6:8  But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Noah, entered into the Kingdom of God -- which is entering into "FAITH", bro... for He heard the WORD, BELIEVED It, and heeded It... trusting that It was TRUE... and found that It certainly IS TRUE... GRACE is therefore found in trusting the WORD... which IS TRUTH, and whatever It SAYS, ...SHALL come to pass...

2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

safe within the ark.

Noah was "safe" from the JUDGMENT brought against those who do NOT HEAR that WORD... thereby, ...Noah was "clothed" in CHRIST... for when one invests oneself in the WORD, the CLOTHING of the WORD, defers ones NAKEDNESS and accompanying SHAME -- Rev 3:18

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[Doug]

The lake if fire is the catastrophic end of the old covenant in AD 70.

This is the typical response of the hyper preterists, who deny the future resurrection of the saints.

Brian Simmons wrote:

What Hyper-Preterism does to the Christian doctrine of the resurrection is simply deplorable.  H.P.'s cannot deny that death passed upon all men through Adam's transgression  (Romans 5: 12).  But because they see that it is God's ultimate purpose to abolish death (which didn't happen in A.D. 70), they change the nature of Adamic death to mean a mere "separation from God."  According to them, it was this spiritual separation that was cast into the lake of fire in A.D. 70!

   The Hyper-Preterist theory means, of course, that when Christ died on the cross, He did not pay the penalty for Adam's transgression.  Some Hyper-Preterists are so bold as to say that the cross was merely a "sign."  That is, the shedding of Christ's blood on Calvary has no objective efficacy in the work of savlation.  It was not Christ's physical death that provided atonement, but His spiritual separation from God.  A more heretical concept we can scarcely imagine.

http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/hyper-preterisms-resurrection-error/

The second death is the end of that legacy and the reproach upon that legacy that is attached to ego driven identity under the precedence of types and figures. [Which is an absence of a historical revelation of God's love without condition. Such a revelation however was played out in history for the ongoing future of humanity.]

The lake of fire (baptism of fire) and the second death are interrelated.

All of this about "this life".
None of this has anything to do with postmortem continuity as Christendom has calculated it.
None of this has anything to do with the spirit returning to God or punishment after death.

It dealt with covenant issues that are expressed in terms of everlasting destruction and eternal life which are expressions of reproach-legacy-inefficacy and perpetual efficacy in this life as pertains to ongoing history (the new age which was the generational expectation of Jesus, the apostles and in all the gospels and Epistles).

The term "expressions of reproach-legacy-inefficacy" is not in the Bible! IMO, this is obfuscation. These are simply confusing buzz words.

The reward for the faithful was the inauguration of the new age making everything new. A blessing to all forever. And a blessing to all who lived and died under the old covenant.

The only law or separation that exists is presently between our ears. There is no "covenant" for separation to stand on. The only accuser is between our ears. The works of the devil are destroyed.
Christ is the last Adam.
We are the benefactors.

Paul argued that the covenant with Abraham was not affected by the giving of the law. He said the promise, that "in thy seed shall all nations be blessed," was the gospel.

Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The New Covenant says "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" [Heb. 8:10] "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." [Heb. 10:15-17] These are quotations from Jeremiah 31. It is those who are partakers of the new covenant, (a.k.a. "the new testament") who have their sins forgiven. Jesus said, "This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." [Luke 22:20]

Doug