Demons!

[Lazarus Short]

I have been though demonic experience and mine had a UFO aspect to it which i found really bizarre. When i was looking for answers i found a channel on youtube by the name of Godrules. He seems to believe UR so i started watching his videos looking for answers to what i went though. I found one video interesting he thinks that "demons" (kind i experienced) are the disembodied evil spirits from the nephilim that were killed in the flood. A lot of his theories seems to match with what i had experienced so i think he might be on the right track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Uvb5OrBWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZJkN7vZWl4

The demon/UFO connection may seem to be bizarre to you, but it is real.  Read "Through the Valley of Deception" by Wesley M. Clark.

[Lazarus Short]

:cloud9: I'll throw another wrench into the mix. My friend who I witnessed get almost possessed, asked God about 4 months later where that demon had come from. She suspected it was the demon that had got her nephew a few months before her (long creepy story). God told her and I quote, "You created it out of the hate and murder in your own heart."

I have no explanation for just "how" that works exactly, but I know for a fact she hears Him, and that's what He told her. Gives new meaning to the scripture about eating of the fruit of your own lips,  :eek:  (they possess you by going down your throat).

I also believe that the so called "aliens" are the nephalim, reserved in chains of darkness until the end, and have been loosed, because it's their time to be. My  :2c: Blessings...

WOW!  We make them ourselves?!  Internal, not external - it somehow reminds me of Hell, which always comes down to "the other guy" going to Hell, NOT ME.  Truly, we have met the enemy...and he is us.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: @ marie.....you know what came to mind when I read the last line of your last post, is where Jezebel painted her eyes before she went out to get the men to kill Naboth.  :Chinscratch:

@ strainer.....The Lord dropped something into my spirit one day. If you understand that we all need deliverance from evil spirits (yes even Christians) ie. working out our own salvation with fear and trembling, then this will make sense to you. The things listed as flesh, ie. lust, fear, ect., are evil spirits. I believe demons are fallen angels.

I have shared about what happens to the soul at death. But there's another side to that coin. The things in us transfer to our offspring, so we are surrounded by what we didn't overcome (at the time of their birth anyway) while still in the body, even.

So truly we reap what we sow, and truly a man's enemies are those of his own HOUSEhold (first his own house-body, then who surrounds him he gave birth to).

It also made it even more plain why we must forgive them, because we ourselves birthed it into them and for us to be free, we must not judge them, or we ourselves will be judged by the same measure. It's the same measure because we already meted it out to them. Bet this is why Job made sacrifices for his children all the time. He knew his accountability and was trying to obtain mercy for them and for himself. My  :2c: Blessings....

[micah7:9]

"WOW!  We make them ourselves?!  Internal, not external - it somehow reminds me of Hell, which always comes down to "the other guy" going to Hell, NOT ME.  Truly, we have met the enemy...and he is us." (Laz)

By gosh I believe you have it! The adversary is here and as a roaring lion seeks to devour. Still a "demon" is the Devil, satan, serpent, that old dragon are one and the same, the devil is a traducer, and accuser it dialogues/channels with and through the carnal mind which is weak and filled with imaginations that can be and are twisted.  :2c:

[Cardinal]

:cloud9: I'll throw another wrench into the mix. My friend who I witnessed get almost possessed, asked God about 4 months later where that demon had come from. She suspected it was the demon that had got her nephew a few months before her (long creepy story). God told her and I quote, "You created it out of the hate and murder in your own heart."

I have no explanation for just "how" that works exactly, but I know for a fact she hears Him, and that's what He told her. Gives new meaning to the scripture about eating of the fruit of your own lips,  :eek:  (they possess you by going down your throat).

I also believe that the so called "aliens" are the nephalim, reserved in chains of darkness until the end, and have been loosed, because it's their time to be. My  :2c: Blessings...

WOW!  We make them ourselves?!  Internal, not external - it somehow reminds me of Hell, which always comes down to "the other guy" going to Hell, NOT ME.  Truly, we have met the enemy...and he is us.

He gave me something else on this. Everything is to be compared to the Tabernacle pattern, which is the pattern of heavenly or spiritual things, according to Hebrews 9. So this shows up in the Tabernacle pattern as well. If you understand that the 12 loaves of bread the priests eat are representative of the names/natures of the 12 tribes that form Christ in us, such as Joseph/He will add another who precedes, Benjamin/son of my right hand, then it's not hard to see that the eating of the bread with the light of the candlestick (true communion) forms the veil, which veil we are told is Christ, before the Holy of Holies.

This veil, had cherubims in it. Their name means IMAGINATIONS OR IMAGINARY FIGURES, and they were woven into it (as one) by command of God. This veil must be rent in us just as it was rent in the temple, by the hand of God, because no man can come to the Father except the Father call him.

This is Christ in us, the veil was made with the colors of royalty and the trinity colors (red, blue and yellow/gold; from these 3 all other colors come in the natural) and the cherubim are rent as well. They are heavenly/spiritual creations. These imaginations keep us from passing through, what they are designed to do, because no man will be able to say I did it and take His glory. So it puts the entrance squarely where it belongs, to the will and pleasure of the Father. This means He has allowed these things to keep us out, until He desires we enter.

However; just because we create the evil spirits, doesn't mean Satan and his angels are not real entities. The nephalim desired the women for their reproductive abilities. The soul is like a womb, capable of reproducing whatever seed is planted in it. The evil spirits are the reproducing of the natures of the demons, just like the fruits of the Spirit are His natures expressed. This is why the woman, the soul, is to have a covering (Christ). Blessings....

[micah7:9]

"Although the King James does not use the word "demon(s)," At numerous places in Scripture the word "daimon"--meaning 'demon' is found. Example, the word "devils" found in Matt. 8:31 is 'daimon' in the Greek manuscripts. Various English Versions translate 'daimon' into "demons" rather than "devils." But "demons/daimons" are never, ever translated "angels."

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Maybe it's because they went from being "messages, messengers of God" to "knowing ones, ie. one with flesh" as in Adam knew his wife and they were one? Blessings...

[strainerofcamels]

very good stuff. I will need to pray through this later, I feel a lot of good spiritual stuff to chew on. So much opportunity to gain understanding, thank you all for sharing. Very helpful.

[rosered]

I have been though demonic experience and mine had a UFO aspect to it which i found really bizarre. When i was looking for answers i found a channel on youtube by the name of Godrules. He seems to believe UR so i started watching his videos looking for answers to what i went though. I found one video interesting he thinks that "demons" (kind i experienced) are the disembodied evil spirits from the nephilim that were killed in the flood. A lot of his theories seems to match with what i had experienced so i think he might be on the right track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Uvb5OrBWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZJkN7vZWl4

The demon/UFO connection may seem to be bizarre to you, but it is real.  Read "Through the Valley of Deception" by Wesley M. Clark.

http://www.amazon.com/Through-Valley-Deception-Wesley-Clark/dp/1414100485

  There  are  two reviews ..
  You must  be   pretty convinced  Laz .
  I have never read this book , but it is  considered worth the read   .

  Now my sister Pam whom is   though the vail    ,  Told me of some  strange blue orbs   following them   from  driving in her car when she was young
  I do not recall all the info she  shared but it scared her      and was pretty shook up and  the  passengers   with her
  I wish  could recall more   , I cannot , my carnal mind would not allow    me to think it was anything more than  vain imaginations

   I regret   being so     wise in my own eyes  now   :sigh:

   The carnal mind will never understand the things of the Spirit  it is impossible for man to believe God without Gods help in convincing us    though the Holy Spirit  of Truth .

[guest5685]

One day I was walking inside my house and began to think on the scripture about being raised with Christ in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus. As I thought on this I thought if that was true then Satan and His Demons wouldn't be there so I must be fighting something or fearing something in my mind. I told the Lord I believe if I'm really raised then it must be memories or thoughts I was perceiving as real. Suddenly what I felt as oppression was gone and my struggle with devils and/or demons ended. I was almost fearful of the great peace I began to experience since it felt like walking in another realm.

Taken from the King James Version: Genesis 6:4  There were giants in the Earth, in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The King James does not have the word Nephilim in it. It's found in newer bible versions. Notice it says THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS and it also says AND ALSO AFTER THAT. It then goes on to say the sons of God came into the daughters of men. They became mighty men and men of renown.

Now I personally believe those sons of God and daughters of men are used as metaphor for the thoughts of God and the thoughts of men. The Giants in Those Days were just like the Giants After That (our modern days). Those Giants representing modern day traditional religion and those five smooth stones David took from the brook represent the True Word of Grace that struck him in the forehead. Modern day religion is our Goliath and the message of Grace in it's fullness will bring him down. The Giants had 6 fingers and 6 toes and the number for man is six. I think this is to show that the Giant was a thing of man's doings. (Religion)

That is what I believe and I don't believe it's got anything to do with sexual intercourse except in the mental realm. Taking the thoughts and words from God and twisting around with them in the bed of mans carnal mind producing the giant religious institutions and dogmas of the day.

I believe that Nephilim as we read about are also the imaginations of men and fictional creatures as they try to reason naturally what Genesis 6:4 is saying.

:2c: :2c: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

[strainerofcamels]

I need time to review this thread more but the Lord gave me some pretty profound revelation last night as I prayed on this. It appears He drew me to this thread to open my understanding on several major points, so thank you to all who have shared. My time is limited but I'm looking forward to reading and praying on the rest of this, and hopefully share edifying comments.

But check this out, I hope I'm not repeating someone that may have mentioned this earlier in the thread but "...when lust is CONCEIVED it BRINGS FORTH sin..."  So it appears the origin of unclean spirits and sin may be integrally related biblically speaking. I say this because of the many things that began to come to light last night through this line of thinking, and that is often a sign and confirmation in part of the Spirit'S revelation. Anyway, there other things I will try to add later because i'd like to get some input to assure avoidance of error.  Sorry for brevity, appreciate u all. Blessings.

Cory

[rosered]

One day I was walking inside my house and began to think on the scripture about being raised with Christ in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus. As I thought on this I thought if that was true then Satan and His Demons wouldn't be there so I must be fighting something or fearing something in my mind. I told the Lord I believe if I'm really raised then it must be memories or thoughts I was perceiving as real. Suddenly what I felt as oppression was gone and my struggle with devils and/or demons ended. I was almost fearful of the great peace I began to experience since it felt like walking in another realm.

Taken from the King James Version: Genesis 6:4  There were giants in the Earth, in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The King James does not have the word Nephilim in it. It's found in newer bible versions. Notice it says THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS and it also says AND ALSO AFTER THAT. It then goes on to say the sons of God came into the daughters of men. They became mighty men and men of renown.

Now I personally believe those sons of God and daughters of men are used as metaphor for the thoughts of God and the thoughts of men. The Giants in Those Days were just like the Giants After That (our modern days). Those Giants representing modern day traditional religion and those five smooth stones David took from the brook represent the True Word of Grace that struck him in the forehead. Modern day religion is our Goliath and the message of Grace in it's fullness will bring him down. The Giants had 6 fingers and 6 toes and the number for man is six. I think this is to show that the Giant was a thing of man's doings. (Religion)

That is what I believe and I don't believe it's got anything to do with sexual intercourse except in the mental realm. Taking the thoughts and words from God and twisting around with them in the bed of mans carnal mind producing the giant religious institutions and dogmas of the day.

I believe that Nephilim as we read about are also the imaginations of men and fictional creatures as they try to reason naturally what Genesis 6:4 is saying.

:2c: :2c: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

  This  exactly  how I believe  at this point in time Bob!!!!    :HeartThrob: 


intercourse in·ter·course
ˈin(t)ərˌkôrs/
noun
communication or dealings between individuals or groups.
"everyday social intercourse"
synonyms:   dealings, relations, relationships, association, connections, contact;

Knowing God confounded the languages        in Babel   

  That no one would enter the door   except though Jesus Christ    ,,
Son of God         all that come before  HIM were robber & thieves     
I have understood it to mean ,    Those whom bow the knee to Christ will confess  this  , that is surrender  to the TRUTH ..   

[sheila]

the reason 6 is man's number is that the first five commandments have to do with loving God[your Father and Mother of your spirit]

  and the 6th commandment on has to do with loving your fellow man as yourself. satan failed to show fellow love unto Adam and Eve

  when he decieved them and led them into disobedience.

  the evil contrast spirit has the power to twist the word of God..and put such thoughts into the mind of man...just as the Holy spirit

is able to put desires and will's within our mind to do the pleasure of the Lord.

  in some of the lost books they expose this...the evil spirits teaching man to make weapons of war of iron etc...and teaching man

  all this destructive stuff...the mankiller from the beginning and liar originates in this evil contrast..as also slanderer of God who

  impuned God's motives unto Adam and Eve as less than pure and selfless.


  you will wittness the fruit of the works of the devil in man..just as we wittness the fruits of Holy spirit in man....

  just as God's thoughts are higher than man's..so,too, the kingdom of darkness's thought's are darker than any earthly darkness...

  diabolical..when it comes to torturing and causing great destruction and suffering.

[sheila]

the vanity the creature was subjected to..is the vain imaginations of the evil contrast that he would thwart the will of God toward man.

that he would place his throne above the stars of heaven...and that he would as a spirit be just like God..and show himself a 'god'

   so thus..the god of this world/prince of the air would take God's position[throne both in heaven and earth] an impossible thought.

    it is an impossible thought that this tool/adversary would be victorious over God.

    Michael stands up[who is like God?] and all your people shall be delivered.

   surely,the vain imaginations originate in the original serpent.

[rosered]

  I also   believe it goes a lot deeper than mentioned Shelia . 

     A spirit ina man  is unclean  or defiled  when the law of God  is not present  in there hearts , to me  ,   he lives for himself , ECC 2      just read and see how Solomon  expressed    having it all and still empty without God to fill him , it takes the Spirit of God   to  teach us this .

I believe there are many whom gather unclean spirits    and  group together     
and them     calling it god ,,,  those are the  works of their own hands and  minds   
I am convinced conviction is from the Holy Spirit and until Gods Spirit is working in a man   , as God seeks those to worship Him in Spirit and truth      many unclean spirits gather  within   and without .

     and Jesus really did give an excellent   clue as to what spirit    is ruling us ... When telling James and John  the sons of thunder  ,  that they themselves did not know what manner of spirit they were of   , it was of violence  , not love and salvation  , but destruction,  if they did not take heed to    their cause .

  evil causes harm not help ...

  Evil
Strong's H7451 - ra`
רַע
Transliteration
ra`
Pronunciation
rah (Key)

Parts of Speech
adjective, feminine noun, masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From רָעַע (H7489)
TWOT Reference
2191a,2191c
Outline of Biblical Usage
adj
bad, evil

bad, disagreeable, malignant

bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)

evil, displeasing

bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)

bad (of value)

worse than, worst (comparison)

sad, unhappy

evil (hurtful)

bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)

bad, evil, wicked (ethically)

in general, of persons, of thoughts

deeds, actions

n m
evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity

evil, distress, adversity

evil, injury, wrong

evil (ethical)

n f
evil, misery, distress, injury

evil, misery, distress

evil, injury, wrong

evil (ethical)

   :2c:

[Cardinal]

I need time to review this thread more but the Lord gave me some pretty profound revelation last night as I prayed on this. It appears He drew me to this thread to open my understanding on several major points, so thank you to all who have shared. My time is limited but I'm looking forward to reading and praying on the rest of this, and hopefully share edifying comments.

But check this out, I hope I'm not repeating someone that may have mentioned this earlier in the thread but "...when lust is CONCEIVED it BRINGS FORTH sin..."  So it appears the origin of unclean spirits and sin may be integrally related biblically speaking. I say this because of the many things that began to come to light last night through this line of thinking, and that is often a sign and confirmation in part of the Spirit'S revelation. Anyway, there other things I will try to add later because i'd like to get some input to assure avoidance of error.  Sorry for brevity, appreciate u all. Blessings.

Cory

:cloud9: I agree I definitely think He wants this fleshed out more for us. I will share this too and I haven't before. Last year I was praying for my grown daughter one night and He was giving me the names of evil spirits to cast out, which is pretty normal, that's how it works. Well, He opened up her spiritual ears and she HEARD the voices of the what I had just commanded to leave her heart, and they said, "That's ok, we'll just go hide in her WOMB." To say both of us were stunned was an understatement. I saw the shock in her eyes, I know she heard it.

I started praying HARD about how is this possible???! What came out of it, was the concept that both areas, heart and womb, must be prayed for and cleansed, because they have a "legal" right to stay in the womb, as the mirror image of the mind where seed is planted. In men, it's the organ where their seed is. Transference from both sexes then occurs to offspring, or to whoever you are one flesh with. No wonder all the admonitions about not committing fornication, and why we are told to bring every thought into captivity to the mind of Christ.

There is seed, root and fruit. Fruit is what is apparent in this realm after seed and root have not been dealt with. This principle is why often people get delivered yet they after even a long time, go back to what they were delivered of. The root was dealt with, just the fruit, and as any gardener knows, if you cut off a tree and leave the stump, it will send off new shoots. Peace

[eaglesway]

I personally dont think Legion originated in the sins of the madman of the gadarenes. I also don't think this spirit was caused by the sins of the child it infested.....

The spirit often throws him into the fire or into water, trying to kill him. Have mercy on us and help us, if you can."

And He asked his father, "How long has this been happening to him?" And he said, "From childhood." It has often thrown him both into the fire and into the water to destroy him. But if You can do anything, take pity on us and help us!" And Jesus said to him, "'If You can?' All things are possible to him who believes."...

When Jesus saw that a crowd was rapidly gathering, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, "You deaf and mute spirit, I command you, come out of him and do not enter him again."...

To me this indicates that what was cast out of the boy was an entity that could re-enter if Jesus hadnt commanded it not to, and seems to have nothing to do with sins.

I do believe sins can open doors to demons, but I dont think that is always the reason they are there. I do not believe that demons are the corporeal manifestations of sins, or that they grow out of sins and become what they are. That is just my perspective of the issue, as i read the scriptures, and have some experience with demons.

[Cardinal]

I personally dont think Legion originated in the sins of the madman of the gadarenes. I also don't think this spirit was caused by the sins of the child it infested.....

The spirit often throws him into the fire or into water, trying to kill him. Have mercy on us and help us, if you can."

And He asked his father, "How long has this been happening to him?" And he said, "From childhood." It has often thrown him both into the fire and into the water to destroy him. But if You can do anything, take pity on us and help us!" And Jesus said to him, "'If You can?' All things are possible to him who believes."...

When Jesus saw that a crowd was rapidly gathering, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, "You deaf and mute spirit, I command you, come out of him and do not enter him again."...

I see this as an illustration of what becomes of the lukewarm. Fire/Holy of Holies, water/outer court. Not either or, lukewarm to be spewn out of His mouth until mercy comes.

To me this indicates that what was cast out of the boy was an entity that could re-enter if Jesus hadnt commanded it not to, and seems to have nothing to do with sins.

I do believe sins can open doors to demons, but I dont think that is always the reason they are there. I do not believe that demons are the corporeal manifestations of sins, or that they grow out of sins and become what they are. That is just my perspective of the issue, as i read the scriptures, and have some experience with demons.

[eaglesway]

I see it as an example of oppression being broken and captives set free.

[strainerofcamels]

Have had a chance to re-read thread. Crapped a couple crackers, feel pretty inadequate lol. In any case, look, I may be this or that mature or immature but I sincerely appreciate all of you. I could seriously go on for pages of flaming boredom but the signs of the spirit working in each and causing me to contemplate this or that is readily evident. Having come from the proof text I am right training I wish I could express my appreciation better. But short story it is evident the Lord Himself brought me here. Cardinal, many thx. Marie, same. Ross, rosered he1myheart I seriously don't know what to say. Sometimes to me (and maybe God?) It is worth more to read the responses in humility than to know the black and white of the matter. Is it not true then, than THEY WILL KNOW WE ARE CHRISTIANS BY OUR LOVE? Truly you all in this thread are testimony of this, and I say this in freaking  tears forgive my dramatics but this journey has been lacking in that and the experience itself is almost worth more than the black and white parsing of truths. I must break for now bc I am at a bar with friends, invited to accompany, but reading this to pass the time and literally tearing up and about to burst just from thankfulness for the example of love. Here is my heart, may the Father be pleased. I love u all.

Cory

[Molly]

Greater Glory in New Temple

...5'As for the promise which I made you when you came out of Egypt, My Spirit is abiding in your midst; do not fear!' 6"For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land. 7'I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations, and I will fill this house with glory,' says the LORD of hosts....

--Haggai 2


Isaiah 2:19
People will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from the fearful presence of the LORD and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth.

Isaiah 13:13
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the LORD Almighty, in the day of his burning anger.

Joel 3:16
The LORD will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; the earth and the heavens will tremble. But the LORD will be a refuge for his people, a stronghold for the people of Israel.

Jeremiah 33:14
"'The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will fulfill the good promise I made to the people of Israel and Judah.


Has he started to shake the nations?   A river of people are on the move invading the western Christian countries.  Has he started to shake the heavens?  The demons are being unleashed and manifesting themselves in all manner of evil acts by men.

What will be the outcome?

The Coming Day of Judgment

1"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts. 2"But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap....

--Malachi 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYfce7lSOCs

[sheila]

Lord, Thou sowed good seed in they field....from whence cometh the tares?  An 'enemy' hast sowed them in the night"

[sheila]

Isaaih 51;1  looketh unto the rock from whence ye were hewn,ye that seek righteousness......

  Isaaih 2;19  people will flee to caves in the rocks..and holes in the ground...

[sheila]

Isaaih 27;1  Leviathan the fleeing serpent........

[Molly]

Isaaih 51;1  looketh unto the rock from whence ye were hewn,ye that seek righteousness......

  Isaaih 2;19  people will flee to caves in the rocks..and holes in the ground...

15Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

--Rev 6


He who falls on this the stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

--Mat 21:44


Zechariah 12

Jerusalem will Be Attacked

...2"Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3"It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. 4"In that day," declares the LORD, "I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness....