http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/TheLakeOfFire.html
Is this article backing or condemning universal salvation? What do you think of it?
At least death is more merciful than people being tormented for all eternity
The last paragraph should provide your answer:
In conclusion, literal death entails the absence of life; and, in the case of the second death, death is literal. The second death, however, will only continue until the consummation. In that glorious day, death will be abolished and all will be vivified, that God may be All in all (1 Cor.15:26,28).
Quote from: Jason76 on September 14, 2014, 06:33:03 AM
http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/TheLakeOfFire.html
Is this article backing or condemning universal salvation? What do you think of it?
Everything on that site is UR.
The article is UR, but it is mostly a rebuttal of a teaching that says, "If it is given to man once to die and then comes the judgment, how can there be a second death" and go on so far as to teach that the second death is a second life lived in an existence among many gross sinners committing nefarious acts of many kinds upon one another.
It goes on to make some points about the use of literal and metaphorical meanings and rightly dividing them.
Kind of overwritten imo, difficult to understand because of the writing style, but clear enough if you have the patience to wrestle it thru.
Myself, I would just conclude it all with this statement..........
Hebrews says "it is given to man once to die and then the judgment"- it doesnt give any details about what may transpire after that judgment.....therefore that verse in Hebrews bears no influence on the verses in Rev 20 about the second death and the lake of fire
Quote from: eaglesway on September 14, 2014, 10:18:01 AM
The article is UR, but it is mostly a rebuttal of a teaching that says, "If it is given to man once to die and then comes the judgment, how can there be a second death" and go on so far as to teach that the second death is a second life lived in an existence among many gross sinners committing nefarious acts of many kinds upon one another.
It goes on to make some points about the use of literal and metaphorical meanings and rightly dividing them.
Kind of overwritten imo, difficult to understand because of the writing style, but clear enough if you have the patience to wrestle it thru.
Myself, I would just conclude it all with this statement..........
Hebrews says "it is given to man once to die and then the judgment"- it doesnt give any details about what may transpire after that judgment.....therefore that verse in Hebrews bears no influence on the verses in Rev 20 about the second death and the lake of fire
appointed for man to die once and than the judgment
are they forgetting the wages of sin is death ? as being judgment , though you live in a mortal body still
or what of the death of baptism in Christ ?? and chastening begins in the house of God , still in the mortal body
so many hold to the literal death of mortality as an end , I never see this as an end of all things , but new beginnings
God is Spirit not mortal in any sense of the meaning ! Our hope in in God in the SPIRIT OF HIS HOLINESS
The second death causes harm , not death I see this as Rev 9 the sting of death is in their tails up from the abyss , satan as abdadon/ apoyllon the DESTROYER loosed for the little season locusts , as being an appearance of men with woman's with hair in verse causing fear of death in teaching lies and they believe them , Paul mentions the sting of death and the victory over death is TO BELIEVE/ trust in JESUS CHRIST for salvation . the grace of God given as the gift , LIFE
LoF can also be seen as dead of the old person. The death of the sinning parts.
That view is hard/impossible to prove I think, but Bible focusses big on spiritual stuff.
The strong point of that view is that the sinners actually learn something or change if you wish.
Being just dead teaches nothing.
Quote from: WhiteWings on September 14, 2014, 07:58:42 PM
LoF can also be seen as dead of the old person. The death of the sinning parts.
That view is hard/impossible to prove I think, but Bible focusses big on spiritual stuff.
The strong point of that view is that the sinners actually learn something or change if you wish.
Being just dead teaches nothing.
"but Bible focusses big on spiritual stuff." Well GLORY GLORY GLORY! :dsunny: :banana: :HeartThrob: :Peace2:
From what I gather, the article is saying that metaphors work by presenting a figurative symbol to represent something literal. The example is "the seven stars "are" messengers." The problem I see with the article's position is the confounding of "figurative" with "spiritual." The implication of the article is that physical death is the REAL death, and spiritual death is not actually a literal thing, and therefore the Lake of Fire is the figure, and physical death is the reality.
Spiritual death is not a figurative symbol for anything. It is a real and literal condition of the spirit taught in scripture. It is death of another KIND, or you might say "a second kind of death." When Jesus says I AM the Life, he is speaking literally about himself being the spiritual life. He is not using himself as a figurative symbol for physical life. No, he literally is our life within.
In fact, in the Bible, physical things themselves become figurative symbols for spiritual realities. Therefore if the Biblical trend tends toward physical pointing to spiritual, the physical image "lake of fire" can be pointing to a spiritual reality called "second death", whatever anyone thinks that is, and such a reading is entirely consistent with scripture.