Re: Creation - Science/Faith AND (part of) Genesis, MERGED

[willieH]

Lefein, I'm glad you actually read the post and responded.  I would hate for him to be offended when I didn't answer.  Sounds like you and I see creation in many ways eye to eye.

Big surprise!  :laughing7:  

I thought as much... and btw... I please know that I am not offended in the least... :mnah:

I'm glad for you that you have a buddy...  :laughing7:

I post answers here and leave the use of them to God... doesn't matter in the least to me if YOU read them or answer them at all.  Either He shall choose to use them or not... its up to Him... :nod:

You make it clear Shawn, that there are just too many things you are unable to deal with, ...so you don't deal with them.  :dontknow:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[Lefein]

You make it clear Shawn, that there are just too many things you are unable to deal with, ...so you don't deal with them.

Please cut the attitude.  It is angering me.

It is not that he is unable to deal with your posts, it is that your posts seen to be full of a bitter spirit of contempt towards his being "educated" that he refuses to fellowship with you!

You either are, or you are coming across as being very, very condescending...I don't like it, and I am not Shawn.  I can certainly see why Shawn himself would refuse to speak to you - I would not be so happy about you either if you where, or if it seemed like you where condescending me.

Paul said rightly - if a brother is being offensive, don't eat with him...

It is perfectly fine for God to use your posts however he will...But he won't bless you for holding a divided, contemptable, bitter spirit.  With your upper lip you say you are not offended by the past, and with your bottom lip you insult his intelligence by insinuating that he is not capable of dealing with the content of your posts!

Christ had a thing or two to say about such lip service.  Take heed, Father will not reward you for such a thing as this.

[willieH]

I thought as much.

Just too many things you are unable to answer.

You are angering me WillieH...

Anger is your problem, not mine.  I sincerely hope you get over it.  :cloud9:

I don't let people anger me.  I find patience with them instead.  I do not have time to waste on such an unproductive emotion.

He does not answer you because he is not able.  He refuses to answer you because of your attitude, which looks quite painfully to be an attitude of bitter contempt for his being "educated", and putting yourself up to be of a superior intellect.

Get over yourself bro... I have no contempt for Shawn, You, or anyone else.  As for the "educated"... they have never impressed me, and certainly do not intimidate me.

And it is a false report to say that I have claimed any "superior intellect"...  I let any knowledge I might possess, speak for itself.  If you or Shawn have a problem with it, maybe it is not ME, but your own intellect that is manifesting less that you percieve it to be...

Many seek to exalt themselves, by naming themselves as "college" educated, and then expect that lesser educated persons, such as I, must needs "bow" to that "credential"...  :laughing7:  Please!  ...ain't gonna happen. :mnah:

I have found that education often CLOUDS issues, instead of CLEARING them up.  Making mountains of molehills... speaking in riddled vocabularies as if it proposes to those who do not speak in unnecessary complexity that they are less in some way... Vainly seeking to exalt self, instead of edifying those lesser... :pitiful:

The true intellectual who bears himself HIGHLY, ...condescends to communication that is common, giving his/her knowledge the best opportunity to be conveyed, instead of self aggrandizing the learning they have gained, and failing miserably to convey its benefits to others.

CHRIST knew vastly more than any mortal... yet He knew how to communicate in EVERY circle... and when the lines blurred (many were gathered), SIMPLICITY always reigned in His words...  :first:

He doesn't answer you because of this!

Just too many things you are unable to answer.

...I don't know how these subtle insults, and insinuations of yours are getting past the moderators...

Whatever lefein.  He had already said that he was not going to answer...

I made no "insult" to him or anyone else... I just called spades, spades.   

Actually, I began the post with noting the sincere intention that I meant no harm to Shawn...

Are you herein INSULTING me by calling me a LIAR?  I meant what I said... still do!

Just because someone is "standing up" to you self proclaimed "scientists" with LOGIC... you percieve that challenge as "insult"!   Please! :rolleye:

You stated you were done speaking with me... and here you are, answering post after post... Then letting yourself get all worked up over it, when it does not turn out to your liking.  I actually really feel for you bro...  :sigh:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[Lefein]

Ieue rebuke you.

[Shadow]

Nothing ever changed does it, bicker, bicker, bicker, fight, fight, fight, back and forth, back and forth  :thewife: :thewife: :thewife: :thewife:  :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :upset: :btantrum: :btantrum: :btantrum: :btantrum: :btantrum: :rocker :rocker :rocker :rocker :swordfight: :swordfight: :swordfight: :swordfight: :swordfight: :soap: :soap: :soap: :soap: :soap: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :talkangry: :talkangry: :talkangry: :talkangry: :talkangry:

Good news for you all, I'm outta here for good :bgdance: :icon_flower:

[Quaesitor]

Shadow, flesh will always be at war with the spirit, lies will always fight truth.
Wherever you'll go, if there is flesh and spirit together, they'll fight; if there is flesh and flesh together, they'll fight; only truth never fight against itself.

So as long as we are living in the fleshy world, we can expect constant struggles, fights and wars even among brothers because the flesh is still lurking.

May the Spirit of God lead us all into Truth!
:HeartThrob:

[jabcat]

Shadow, flesh will always be at war with the spirit, lies will always fight truth.
Wherever you'll go, if there is flesh and spirit together, they'll fight; if there is flesh and flesh together, they'll fight; only truth never fight against itself.

So as long as we are living in the fleshy world, we can expect constant struggles, fights and wars even among brothers because the flesh is still lurking.

May the Spirit of God lead us all into Truth!
:HeartThrob:

Shadow has been considering leaving for some time.  This time she has deleted her account.  :goodpost:  though;  good meat for those of us that remain.

[thinktank]

Shadow, flesh will always be at war with the spirit, lies will always fight truth.
Wherever you'll go, if there is flesh and spirit together, they'll fight; if there is flesh and flesh together, they'll fight; only truth never fight against itself.

So as long as we are living in the fleshy world, we can expect constant struggles, fights and wars even among brothers because the flesh is still lurking.

May the Spirit of God lead us all into Truth!
:HeartThrob:

Exactly, we all argue from time to time and it is vain to think that arguments won't happen, the most important thing is that love wins and respect is maintained.

[thinktank]

Nothing ever changed does it, bicker, bicker, bicker, fight, fight, fight, back and forth, back and forth  :thewife: :thewife: :thewife: :thewife:  :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :Shoot: :upset: :btantrum: :btantrum: :btantrum: :btantrum: :btantrum: :rocker :rocker :rocker :rocker :swordfight: :swordfight: :swordfight: :swordfight: :swordfight: :soap: :soap: :soap: :soap: :soap: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :talkangry: :talkangry: :talkangry: :talkangry: :talkangry:

Good news for you all, I'm outta here for good :bgdance: :icon_flower:

Best of luck in your future, don't know about the rest but if you want to come back, then come back.

[Lefein]

Exactly, we all argue from time to time and it is vain to think that arguments won't happen, the most important thing is that love wins and respect is maintained.

Love wins regardless...but love doesn't automatically mean "friendship".  The quarrel made it absolutely certain that any seed of that was broken, burned, and flung into the sea.

[Quaesitor]

Exactly, we all argue from time to time and it is vain to think that arguments won't happen, the most important thing is that love wins and respect is maintained.

Love wins regardless...but love doesn't automatically mean "friendship".  The quarrel made it absolutely certain that any seed of that was broken, burned, and flung into the sea.

Friendship is of the flesh anyway, if we do not love each other ONLY by the love of Christ in us, we're in the flesh.
Dietrich Boenhoffer has written a marvelous book on this subject.
So if friendship is off, that may be a good thing, it means that only spiritual love is left and it means truth can be declared.
:thumbsup:

[thinktank]

Exactly, we all argue from time to time and it is vain to think that arguments won't happen, the most important thing is that love wins and respect is maintained.

Love wins regardless...but love doesn't automatically mean "friendship".  The quarrel made it absolutely certain that any seed of that was broken, burned, and flung into the sea.

Friendship is of the flesh anyway, if we do not love each other ONLY by the love of Christ in us, we're in the flesh.
Dietrich Boenhoffer has written a marvelous book on this subject.
So if friendship is off, that may be a good thing, it means that only spiritual love is left and it means truth can be declared.
:thumbsup:

I don't believe that, even Jesus had his favourite friends. That's one thing I love about christiantiy more than, say new age, is that one doesn't have to love everyone at the same level.
On a another level, we often love our famillies more than other people, the love of christ within us helps us not only love our famillies even more but also to love outsiders and even help them with food and pray for them etc.

[Molly]

Exactly, we all argue from time to time and it is vain to think that arguments won't happen, the most important thing is that love wins and respect is maintained.

Love wins regardless...but love doesn't automatically mean "friendship".  The quarrel made it absolutely certain that any seed of that was broken, burned, and flung into the sea.

Friendship is of the flesh anyway, if we do not love each other ONLY by the love of Christ in us, we're in the flesh.
Dietrich Boenhoffer has written a marvelous book on this subject.
So if friendship is off, that may be a good thing, it means that only spiritual love is left and it means truth can be declared.
:thumbsup:

I just recently discovered Bonhoeffer.  He is an amazing man.


"Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession.... Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate."
— Dietrich Bonhoeffer (The Cost of Discipleship)