Must state im a universalist because of divine revelation & what I see in the scriptures however I know a man who had a vision he later wrote down Titled "UNIVERSAL CANVASS" he has never had a vision other than that he is an old wise man who was drove to the spirit of God after losing family members inculding his wife. His vision does not show an eternal torment like a literaul lake of fire, he believes in metaphors comletley but in his vision Hell was on earth like a prison on earth & the whole point behind all this human experience was a testing time. He tells me again & again hell will be a good place for the flesh, Having had so much fellowship with him & the fact the HS through him taught me alot, I grew been out of the harlot church growing alone walking in his ways. SO though I believe all will be saved by my own revelations in view of his vision & reading between the lines of scriptures for argument sake I think it's really healthy to state the opposite & see what we can pull out of it, Dig out what is not true & find that which is revealing.
again i state my current position is alllll will be saved but.........
IF HEAVEN IS FOR ALL what about the test of our exsistence? AND MORE IMPORANTLY WHY ALLOW ADAM TO FALL if after all GOD does things against are free wills?? ummmmmm
If heaven is for allll why kick Satan down to earth alongside mankind? A test maybe?
We know from scripture GOd has a strange relationship with the devil, he goes to the LOrd and ask's him things..
Luke 22:31 NIV
"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat.
IF HEAVEN IS FOR ALL God's mercy & grace will see to it that i'll get there anyway so if i slip up on a few things that my wicked heart wants to do I'll be ok in the end anyway
If heaven is for all i might aswell have a licence to sin though that is very evil in itself which is exactly what i am anyway
If heaven is for all surely the wickedness first of all must be consumed rather in this life or later on?
If heaven is for all why create man with choice?
Is it just possible God wanted to have a people that would love him willingly that he may even call his bride & have that joy of pure desire to follow him.
Correct. IMO :Peace2:
If heaven is for all why did he say narrow is the path that leads to life but most take the broad way to destruction, What is this destruction?
I guess that could be the destruction of the flesh a possible hint to a punishment period? If all are saved which is what I do believe all in all, Just a few things make me wander though?
If heaven is for all why wil he say to some depart from me?? Where do they go & for how long?
No one knows for how long. It may vary with each individual. If you want to get along with an ET person just say the only difference between our beliefs is that you believe punishment lasts for all eternity and I think it's a shorter period of time than that. :Peace2:
Dear brothers & sisters if heaven is for all why do we translate "HE MAKES ALLLL THINGS NEW" as to meaning good for everyone?
IF hell is on earth it would be a new thing & a new set up, new earth does not mean it is alll good, but means its all new neither suggesting good nor bad.
IS it not perfection of his work to make a place that people will love?
People cant fake it anymore the judgment is near surely & and if they keep faking it they might get a new surprise soon?
Quote from: ded2daworld on January 25, 2013, 12:53:52 AM
No one knows for how long. It may vary with each individual. If you want to get along with an ET person just say the only difference between our beliefs is that you believe punishment lasts for all eternity and I think it's a shorter period of time than that. :Peace2:
Dear brother im at a real place of conflict as my revelation shows me other than what im stating but im just wanting to put another side on it, so these things can be addressed which i think are worthy sayings to post.
Im more with u that its a period of time until the confession comes perhaps? But at the same time Im trying to deal with this test thing what all that is about?
I'll end my sayings now and just like to share we all know God is not a sadist but as u know like i do there are many people who grieve and the mention of the name God let alone Jesus christ, INfact they love it as a swear word worser still, WHy & how would a people that prefer darkness over light even want to go to heaven? FOR THEM SINGING TO GOD IS BORING, HEARING HIS WORD they won't go near a church & I can't blame them if its because sermons week in week out is not for them, but my point here is some people love the spirit, to some it is the last thing they desire because they prefer there evil deeds, SO WHY WOULD THEY BE IN HEAVEN?? Doesnt make sense? Maybe God is such a genius he really gives people exactly what they want? Pure genuis i'd say? :gimmefive: We were chosen but why us? maybe GOd knew many are going to be called but he needed a chosen people so to usher them in?
As I believe all will be saved though despite the above trying to get my head around how one from punishment in a place they prefer, for example my buddhist friend said she dont like talking aout Jesus, how would such people suddenly desire to go to heaven? When they confess Jesus is Lord maybe? Hopefully? DO ppl believe here in a literaul hell? Or an end time punishment that is the millenium kingdom of a thousand years?
BA, I think a lot of your questions are answered by the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, which I subscribe to. We all get dragged into the Kingdom - harvested, put into the proverbial barn, whether we want to go there or not. The OT law set out three harvest festivals, centered around the barley harvest, the wheat harvest, and the fall harvests of all the rest. In spiritual terms, of which the OT festivals are a type and shadow, the barley harvest represents the resurrection of the overcomer believers, those who are glorified first, and rule/reign with Christ for 1,000 years. The wheat harvest stands for the resurrection of the non-overcomer believers, the pew-warmers, the nominal Christians, who rise at the end of the 1,000 years. The last harvest indicates the non-believers, who as far as I can tell, have a place in the Kingdom, but not an honorable one. Further, don't worry about all these nagging questions so much, but trust God, for He knows what He is doing, and has it all well in hand. All will unfold as it should.
Quote from: battle axe on January 25, 2013, 01:13:41 AM
I'll end my sayings now and just like to share we all know God is not a sadist but as u know like i do there are many people who grieve and the mention of the name God let alone Jesus christ, INfact they love it as a swear word worser still, WHy & how would a people that prefer darkness over light even want to go to heaven? FOR THEM SINGING TO GOD IS BORING, HEARING HIS WORD they won't go near a church & I can't blame them if its because sermons week in week out is not for them, but my point here is some people love the spirit, to some it is the last thing they desire because they prefer there evil deeds, SO WHY WOULD THEY BE IN HEAVEN?? Doesnt make sense? Maybe God is such a genius he really gives people exactly what they want? Pure genuis i'd say? :gimmefive: We were chosen but why us? maybe GOd knew many are going to be called but he needed a chosen people so to usher them in?
As I believe all will be saved though despite the above trying to get my head around how one from punishment in a place they prefer, for example my buddhist friend said she dont like talking aout Jesus, how would such people suddenly desire to go to heaven? When they confess Jesus is Lord maybe? Hopefully? DO ppl believe here in a literaul hell? Or an end time punishment that is the millenium kingdom of a thousand years?
When people come into the presence of a spotless, perfect holy God who will reveal the truth to them they will not be able to resist. I honestly can not imagine a single person who could deny the Lord, in all his might, power and
loveThey might deny him now, but in the after life? Hell no (excuse the pun :LH:)
Quote from: Lazarus Short on January 25, 2013, 01:29:49 AM
BA, I think a lot of your questions are answered by the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, which I subscribe to. We all get dragged into the Kingdom - harvested, put into the proverbial barn, whether we want to go there or not. The OT law set out three harvest festivals, centered around the barley harvest, the wheat harvest, and the fall harvests of all the rest. In spiritual terms, of which the OT festivals are a type and shadow, the barley harvest represents the resurrection of the overcomer believers, those who are glorified first, and rule/reign with Christ for 1,000 years. The wheat harvest stands for the resurrection of the non-overcomer believers, the pew-warmers, the nominal Christians, who rise at the end of the 1,000 years. The last harvest indicates the non-believers, who as far as I can tell, have a place in the Kingdom, but not an honorable one. Further, don't worry about all these nagging questions so much, but trust God, for He knows what He is doing, and has it all well in hand. All will unfold as it should.
THx for that LS :thumbsup: I can take comfort in that everything NOW.. is exactly the way it is supposed to be..ppl are whey they are because that is where they need to be right now. Some have learned already some have not.
IS a worm WRONG because it is not a butterfly YET? lol!
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When people come into the presence of a spotless, perfect holy God who will reveal the truth to them they will not be able to resist. I honestly can not imagine a single person who could deny the Lord, in all his might, power and love
They might deny him now, but in the after life? Hell no (excuse the pun :LH:)
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aww thats really blessed me hearing that GBY Sis u are right indeed! :HeartThrob: Noone will be able to resist but if ther eis a depart from me which sounds like there surely is then they will remember that light & majesty wanting to return as soon as they can? Initially it seems there will be a Gap until when they do come in, It rmeinds me now of Ian mc cormack's story which I believe with all my heart because he changed comletley & loves Jesus, I know him peronsally & he smiles at you replys to your mails all questions and tells his story for free as he freely recieved, I love he goes around the world it must be so exciting kind of doing what the apostles did, He knew he was a sinner all to well & he wasn't interested in God one litle bit, THe hell he was shown was terryfying & wouldn't wish anybody go there even his worst enemy he said & yes when he stood infront of the presence of God he couldnt resists at all & when he did waves of love came on him more & more & He wept & wept, For anyone interested he's helping making a movie this year named "The perfect wave" A woman actress from Charlies angels got saved & is on fire for JEsus she is in the film too, I'll post u a link if your interested ;)
men of stubborn hearts and unbelievers will depart from Jesus, until every knee bows, and every tongue confesses that He is Lord.
Sometimes it takes discipline, and corrective punishment to make someone admit that they are wrong, but not only that! also God wants to reveal to them HOW wrong they were, how utterly wrong they were, how they can not even compare to Gods wisdom.
Proud men will have their pride smashed, stubborn men will have their will smashed, hateful men will have their hate smashed. Every one will bow down to the truth, and submit themselves to the Lord, who in return will take out our hearts of stone, and put in his heart, his spirit.
Quote from: misszoolander on January 25, 2013, 01:35:30 AM
Quote from: battle axe on January 25, 2013, 01:13:41 AM
I'll end my sayings now and just like to share we all know God is not a sadist but as u know like i do there are many people who grieve and the mention of the name God let alone Jesus christ, INfact they love it as a swear word worser still, WHy & how would a people that prefer darkness over light even want to go to heaven? FOR THEM SINGING TO GOD IS BORING, HEARING HIS WORD they won't go near a church & I can't blame them if its because sermons week in week out is not for them, but my point here is some people love the spirit, to some it is the last thing they desire because they prefer there evil deeds, SO WHY WOULD THEY BE IN HEAVEN?? Doesnt make sense? Maybe God is such a genius he really gives people exactly what they want? Pure genuis i'd say? :gimmefive: We were chosen but why us? maybe GOd knew many are going to be called but he needed a chosen people so to usher them in?
As I believe all will be saved though despite the above trying to get my head around how one from punishment in a place they prefer, for example my buddhist friend said she dont like talking aout Jesus, how would such people suddenly desire to go to heaven? When they confess Jesus is Lord maybe? Hopefully? DO ppl believe here in a literaul hell? Or an end time punishment that is the millenium kingdom of a thousand years?
When people come into the presence of a spotless, perfect holy God who will reveal the truth to them they will not be able to resist. I honestly can not imagine a single person who could deny the Lord, in all his might, power and love
They might deny him now, but in the after life? Hell no (excuse the pun :LH:)
Who will not fear you and bless your holy name
Who, said heaven was for all? Just a question :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 25, 2013, 03:44:29 AM
Who, said heaven was for all? Just a question :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
I thought thats what UR teaches eventually everybody gets there? Please enlighten me.....
Battle axe are you able to share your friends vision? I'm really interested to hear what he saw.
Quote from: lomarah on January 25, 2013, 04:40:07 AM
Battle axe are you able to share your friends vision? I'm really interested to hear what he saw.
Hello Lomorah :)
Yea sure I can tell of some of the things he saw which lasted over a week which came in the morning's, He wrote it all down in a book online type. There are many comments like pur egenius, IS God cool or what lol!
I'll point out the main things some of it is quite fun away from the more serious stuff.
Hell is on earth, so new earth is more like a prison, flesh not been able to be in Glory & such. Everybody get's what they wanted type thing the flesh reaps the flesh. They that chose the spirit to were in Glory All this was playin before him not like a 1 vision of something but ongoing revealings. He still tells me now Hell in a good place & God is not a meanie, but in hell they cant do the things they did before, its more of a self punishment really not so much a punishment from God. God been a genius giving them exactly what they wanted all along. Hell was indefinate........
He saw that we are all spirits getting a second chance, Second chance u go huh?? :eek: LOL! This is where the fun begins
IM not even sure I should share this as I dont even maybe belive it myself I still struggle with it & if it is true GOD might not wish this to be known but you are his ellect so I feel ok about it, The 2nd chance we got now is because we are all spirits get ready for the BOMB > evil angels getting a second chance :eek: :eek: there are many different kinds of angels, but we are spirits getting a second chance.
To choose the spirit or the flesh. It's realllly far out isnt it? I always say we are made in his image but he sticks to what was shown.
In glory there is something called merging, Language is obsalete, you can merge & de merge , there are group merges too & they are really fun, (I personally believe the merge part if not the evil angels bit & I know brothers who also testify to the HS been like that with us, when we do some things that grieve him it seem's he goes away because he is so pure & holy, then when u walk in the spirit he merges again with you, in you.) There are trips in groups Some will be colonizing planets was by far the best bit & especially if you like your science fiction lol! Would also make sense why God made so many planets would take an eternity wouldn't it to explore wow!! I see thee are portals in glory& you can kind of travel at the speed of thought within the dimensions.
People's spirits had colours if one was a more serious type was purple for example & colours that we have never seen before. People could do different things with different rewards.
THere is a really fun yet interesting part where he goes to visit a friend in hell, he typed the conversation, He goes with his angel to visit him & they have a very normal chat as u do on earth, the guy in hell doesn't get to see his wife & kids much as they have jobs somewhere, he has his Dog still, and he states TV & radio has really changed these days, my friend ask's his angel if they can merge and the guy in hell asks whats it like where uv'e been travelling & the angel nods gives it the green light, They merge & when demerge he says wow that is cool, I saw everything uv'e been through, my frined says to him after wow! I never thought u thought that way about Ann & me too for that matter, he said he figured he owed him a visit & that the truth is rewarded with truth, as I understand it, half truth's, are silly anyway. If you don't want to know the truth, well, that would be hell on earth, I suppose. (We both laugh) they bid farewell.
It is told in a narrative way, Mostly as it happened.
UNiversal canvas is a story of creation or better creating. It bases on the Judeo christian story account & builds on it.
THe universe is heaven, hell is a lonely experience locked in a human body, there is plenty of food & clean water & everybody works.
Thoughts please ; )
Quote> evil angels getting a second chance
Hmmmm... I was shown the exact opposite of this actually. As far as I can tell, that is a lie. We are not evil angels. (I'm not saying your friend is lying, only that it would appear he has possibly been lied to?) I greatly hesitate to criticize someone's vision in case it is genuinely from the Holy Spirit, but I was shown pretty much the exact opposite of this just a couple of weeks ago.
:Chinscratch:
I Know i actually joke to him often & tell him its bullsquirt lol!
If his whole vision was a lie which i struggle to believe as i had a witness to the merging thing & the stuff about the universe makes sense, It is very detailed, If was a lie I wander what the purpose of that lie would produce?
I rest in knowing believing that if we were evil spirits gettin a 2nd chance if one belives that it doesnt change much anyhow.
Hi BA, In answer to your question about won't the unsaved(now) be bored in heaven?
IMO, you can't be bored being with that which you love more than anything.
I have friends that love fishing. -Me -I'm bored before we even get in the boat but I'm there out of love for my friends.
I love working out at the gym, my fishing friends are bored as soon as we get to the door why are they there? Out of love for me
My point is, I think that once all these unsaved see what Love really is, what it does, how it works,
and then understand that God IS that Love and what he has done for us, I believe just being with the
person we love changes the whole dynamic.
Whenever my kids would say to me, "I'm bored." I would say, "the person you are with is not interesting enough"
They would reply, "but I'm alone in my room."
My reply, "If you're bored when you're alone, you need to make yourself more interesting by doing or learning something."
Of course, it fell on deaf ears for the most part.
mATTHEW 22 THE PARABLE OF THE WEDDING BANQUET EXPLAINS . THE SEEMING DISCREPANCY..
HE SENT HIS SERVANTS TO THOSE WHO HAD BEEN INVITED [FALLEN ANGELS] THEY PAID NO ATTENTION..
SEIZED HIS SERVANTS,MISTREATED AND KILLED THEM. THE KING WAS ENRAGED SENT HIS ARMY
AND DESTROYED THOSE MURDERERS[LIAR AND MURDERER FROM BEGINNING] THOSE I INVITED DID NOT DESERVE
TO COME[FALLEN ANGELS]..........SO THE SERVANTS WENT OUT INTO THE STREET AND GATHERED ALL THE PEOPLE
THEY COULD FIND..........
THE WEDDING CLOTHES=SON OF GOD/WORD OF GOD COME IN FLESH..........THUS MAN'S WEDDING GARMENT
THUS THE FALLEN ANGELS/SATAN/EVIL SPIRITS ARE THE TWICE DEAD JUDE TESIFIES
SEE JOHN THE BAPTIST....
TELLING THE OFFSPRING OF VIPERS[EVIL SPIRITS] COMING OUT TO BE BAPTIZED TO PRODUCE FRUIT IN KEEPING WITH
REPENTANCE. THUS MEN POSSESSED OF THESE SPIRITS OF VIPERS SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE OF THOSE WHO
SUFFER THE PUNISHMENT OF ETERNAL FIRE.... THE .UNREGENERATED.....
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Quote from: ded2daworld on January 25, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
Hi BA, In answer to your question about won't the unsaved(now) be bored in heaven?
IMO, you can't be bored being with that which you love more than anything.
I have friends that love fishing. -Me -I'm bored before we even get in the boat but I'm there out of love for my friends.
I love working out at the gym, my fishing friends are bored as soon as we get to the door why are they there? Out of love for me
My point is, I think that once all these unsaved see what Love really is, what it does, how it works,
and then understand that God IS that Love and what he has done for us, I believe just being with the
person we love changes the whole dynamic.
Whenever my kids would say to me, "I'm bored." I would say, "the person you are with is not interesting enough"
They would reply, "but I'm alone in my room."
My reply, "If you're bored when you're alone, you need to make yourself more interesting by doing or learning something."
Of course, it fell on deaf ears for the most part.
I see your point but that doesnt convince me from what the scriptures tell, The light came into the world but the darkness preffered darkness to light & comprehended it not, they prefered there dark deeds it goes to say, If they call dakness light & light darkness then they definatly prefer something other than GOD, how can they be with the person Jesus when they are liivng a shis enemy & they are thrown into punishment, unless Jesus is hanging out with them in hell, God has testified abut his son & the world is a liar to this truth, Let God be true and every man a lier, they surpress this truth, light is not osmethong on there agenda or attracted to it either, but the pure of heart will see God Jesus said!
If they dont love him now im not convinced they ever will? And what would change that, it's too late maybe? they had a God given chance now everyday, mayba life time is enough chance in God's eyes?
If they love him just because they see him as he is oneday how can God be satisfied with such response?
Maybe he will show them Jesus death on the cross & say I showed u the full extent of my love already, But u denyed the truth & neither followed it, they go into punishment and then there is still hope? I hope so , I hope so
IMO, It's more of a "forgive them Father for they know not what they do."
Since God is the one that opens eyes and he is the only one responsible to bring us to Jesus
and we were all sheep that had gone astray
and he is the good shepherd...
Once the truth is seen it cannot be unseen and no one will desire any part of the sinful life they've had.
Sin is NOT love. We will be consumed by love and the sin will be as dross for our God is a consuming fire. :2c: :Peace2:
No one will be the same sinful person they once were so everything will change
Battle ax: What is the name of your friend's book?
Regarding the merging thing: I have thought along those lines, too, because Jesus can read people's minds and he says, you have to be more righteous than the pharisees, even your thoughts have to be clean. That would make sense if people communicated by reading minds instead of by language. So often in this life we think one thing and say another. We try to hide our thoughts. I don't think that will work in heaven. And, who wants to read the mind of a porno freak, for instance.
Lomarah: Could you share your vision?
Sheila: I always thought that parable was talking about the Jews. He offered it to the Jews first and they refused so he went out to the Gentiles and brought in everyone who would come. Why do you say it's about fallen angels?
Thanks, all!
Moll I have to run for now but just a quick note to say I will get back to you!
BA nobody will be bored because the notion that we float in white robes and worship god for eternity is not biblical. In fact nobody goes to heaven (like churches teach). THe resurrection is what our hope is in. Christ will be subjecting all things through/with us. We will live inn glorious bodies reconciling all things. Spreading the fire of God as ministers of flaming fire. When God is all in all is the last scene the bible shows IMO. So we dont know what happens. But God is creative so I dont imagine we will be totally stationary.
When He revealed himself to moses in the bush it was not as yhwh, i am what i am. No it was as I will become what i will become. God is about growing His family. Who knows what it holds but I DO know that being in His presence is never boring. You see to be in His presence is to be transformed into His image. With that comes riches that far exceed any acivities that might keep us not bored.
BECAUSE IT IS...MAN ONLY EXHIBITS/MANIFESTS/SERVES AS EXAMPLES OF THE UNSEEN REALMS.......
THE MEN[PHARISEES SADUCEES THAT SERVED AS ROLE OF OFFSPRING OF VIPERS] ONLY MAN I FESTED THE
EVIL INVISIBLE SPIRIT ROLE
SAME AS PHAROAH PLAYED ROLE OF EVIL ADVERSARY HOLDING ISRAEL IN SLAVERY
THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD COMES..AND HE HAS NOTHING IN ME..WAS HE TALKING ABOUT JUDAS? OR SATAN?
WHO HAD ENTERED JUDAS? AS THE SON OF PERDITION THAT GOES INTO EVERLASTING CUTTING OFF?
NOW,PAUL SHOWS ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED... BLINDED FOR AWHILE[ THE MEN BLINDED BY THE PRINCE OF THIS
WORLD].......THEY MAY HAVE MEANT IT FOR EVIL..BUT GOD CAN USE IT FOR GOOD.
THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GOOD AND EVIL IN THE UNSEEN REALM IS SHOWN IN THE FLESH OF MAN....
I get that too,
"Won't heaven be boring?" :LH:
God is anything but boring
Boring is waking up, going to work, and then spending your cash on things you don't need. What happens next? Repeat. - now that is boring.
Molly was wondering what Father showed me. There was no vision, He spoke it to me. I was praying and I don't even remember exactly what I was saying. But it had something to do with being ashamed of my failures/sin/hurting others. He spoke to me and said so tenderly that it was not "me", that I was being taken advantage of by evil spirits, and that He is going to destroy all of those things that are causing me harm (evil spirits). I understood that that is what He meant when He said that He is a jealous God.
In that instant I felt so beautiful, and so innocent, almost like a child again. I felt like myself again.
I know that many may not receive this, and I hesitated to share it at first because of it. It was a very personal moment between Father and I and the last thing I would want is for anyone who cannot see it to be tempted to try and trample it and rip it to shreds. Only God can open our eyes to these things and it is not my prerogative to try and convince anyone to what He has shown me. I share because it is a witness for those whom He will show. (Which, eventually, will be all of us.)
Scriptures:
Romans 7
19For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
2 Timothy 2: 26 speaks of humanity being taken captive to do the devils will.
My desire is that you would all know how precious you are to Him and how jealous He is for you. :HeartThrob:
wow, Lo! Thank you.
QuoteMy desire is that you would all know how precious you are to Him and how jealous He is for you.
Amen!
Quote from: ded2daworld on January 25, 2013, 08:58:27 PM
Once the truth is seen it cannot be unseen and no one will desire any part of the sinful life they've had.
God bless you brother that just twinkled in me so much crystal clear :HeartThrob:
Im finding a remearkable thing as im flushing out my traditional beliefs with God's help, IN my new found revelations im seeing 2 different types of ppl respond the ET are very harsh & never show compassion even though they believe eternal torture, they never say I wish it weren't so, They even show no mercy to the state of the poor soul who burns even literaully :O :eek:
I really lke u bunch in here I can sense a love you have for him & truth, Your image of God is that of my convictions & experience when I know his love despite my former beliefs which i still need to clarify & make sense of i nmy own mind. Im very happy to find kind people not harsh ones, I already had enough ill feeling in church's before usually the leaders & the more I know God the more I want to run away from the traditions of men, Its better for me to not even fellowship with penners for a for a long time i feel. Sometimes we need unconditioning well always I guess.
God bless you all you are mightly blessed in him who gave himself up for us :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:
amen,lomarah....and i receive it as I know this also. He shall deliver and save all men from the evil one
So grateful for the witness Sheila. :HeartThrob:
He is doing mighty things. May we all seek Him with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength. We will not be disappointed!! :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Quote from: lomarah on January 26, 2013, 12:51:20 AM
Molly was wondering what Father showed me. There was no vision, He spoke it to me. I was praying and I don't even remember exactly what I was saying. But it had something to do with being ashamed of my failures/sin/hurting others. He spoke to me and said so tenderly that it was not "me", that I was being taken advantage of by evil spirits, and that He is going to destroy all of those things that are causing me harm (evil spirits). I understood that that is what He meant when He said that He is a jealous God.
In that instant I felt so beautiful, and so innocent, almost like a child again. I felt like myself again.
I know that many may not receive this, and I hesitated to share it at first because of it. It was a very personal moment between Father and I and the last thing I would want is for anyone who cannot see it to be tempted to try and trample it and rip it to shreds. Only God can open our eyes to these things and it is not my prerogative to try and convince anyone to what He has shown me. I share because it is a witness for those whom He will show. (Which, eventually, will be all of us.)
Scriptures:
Romans 7
19For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
2 Timothy 2: 26 speaks of humanity being taken captive to do the devils will.
My desire is that you would all know how precious you are to Him and how jealous He is for you. :HeartThrob:
Thats a lovley testimony he spoke so tenderley to you that is your heavenly papa :HeartThrob:
I hope you always feel comfortable to share what you do, Im a newbie and I feel very much in loving hands of his beloved bride, SO glad to be here :dsunny: JEsus is Lord!!!!!
:goodpost:
Quote from: battle axe on January 25, 2013, 04:29:44 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 25, 2013, 03:44:29 AM
Who, said heaven was for all? Just a question :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
I thought thats what UR teaches eventually everybody gets there? Please enlighten me.....
I-me, myself have not found that "heaven" is the final destination. Joh 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you. Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also. Now, since the location is the Father's house, and that is where a place is being prepared, and that's where Jesus is, then that is where all will, at the All in All. ".... that God may be all in all." I Cor. 15:28 :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Hi Battle Axe,
For me, saying we are here as a test is absolutely NOT true. When do you take a test? Before you were taught anything? Sometimes, perhaps, but the only thing that would prove is how little you know BEFORE you learn the things that are on the test, true?
So how could Adam and Eve know, when obiously they had NO knowledge of good and evil BEFORE they partook of the tree, that it was evil to disobey God? Anyone would fail that test. IMHO, of course.
You can tell someone something but until you really experience it, I don't know how you could KNOW it. You tell a child not to touch the stove because it's HOT and will burn their finger. To them, it's a challenge and so they do it because they just can't not do it and THEN they learn what hot and burn really means and that it was good advice NOT to touch it. But UNTIL they experienced the pan and discomfort, it was only words and the very fact that they were commended not to made them o it.
For me, the light dawned when I came upon some of A.P.Adams' writings. He proposed that the beginning of the Bible was a prophetical account, outlining what from our viewpoint is future, man being very good. Then the second account beginning in Genesis 2 is NOT a more detailed account of the first account but the BEGINNING of how He IS ACCOMPLISHING that feat. We are still clay in the potter's hands, even NOW, having been deliberately marred so we can know what it is to be alienated from God and subjected to all the vanity that will be expelled from God's universe after it has served its purpose. Some of us are currently (or from our viewpoint some WERE in our past timeframe) vessels of wrath which is the backdrop to reveal His magnificance, (Think Pharaoh, King Saul, Nebudchadnezzar, etc) Similar to a black velvet cloth which displays the magnificence of a stunning diamond. Although a diamond is pretty in daylight, against the black, it takes your breath away.
So these ages, far from being a testing ground to see who is worthy and who will on their own find the truth, are ages in which He patiently works out all His will in the way He feels is perfect to create sons in HIS image.
How would it possibly be a fair test when some are born into the lap of luxury in the heart of 'God's people' and others are born in the worst of health and/or poverty to parents who either hate any form of deity or perhaps die hard Buddhists, or Muslims, where you might die a painful death if you rebel and turn to Christ? No, scriptures tell us that NO MAN can come to God unless the Spirit DRAGS him and that is not a test, in my opinion.
God has formed the ages for a purpose and does not sit back helplessly offering hearty encouragement for good deeds and hisses for evil deeds. He operates ALL according to His will.
Be of good cheer. The gospel is GOOD NEWS for all people. Heaven is the origin and end of authority, not a place 'out there somewhere' where good children go when they die. We will be an integral part of God's drawing 'the rest' to Him. Then, again in my humble opinion, a new set of ages will begin where we will all have exciting tasks to accomplish.
God bless you as you walk the path our Lord has planned for you.