IF heaven is for alll?

[battle axe]

Must state im a universalist because of divine revelation & what I see in the scriptures however I know a man who had a vision he later wrote down Titled "UNIVERSAL CANVASS"  he has never had a vision other than that he is an old wise man who was drove to the spirit of God after losing family members inculding his wife.   His vision does not show an eternal torment like a literaul lake of fire, he believes in metaphors comletley but in his vision Hell was on earth like a prison on earth & the whole point behind all this human experience was a testing time.  He tells me again & again hell will be a good place for the flesh,  Having had so much fellowship with him & the fact the HS through him taught me alot,  I grew been out of the harlot church growing alone walking in his ways.  SO though I believe all will be saved by my own revelations in view of his vision & reading between the lines of scriptures for argument sake I think it's really healthy to state the opposite & see what we can pull out of it, Dig out what is not true & find that which is revealing.


again i state my current position is alllll will be saved but.........

IF HEAVEN IS FOR ALL what about the test of our exsistence? AND MORE IMPORANTLY WHY ALLOW ADAM TO FALL if after all GOD does things against are free wills??  ummmmmm

[battle axe]

If heaven is for allll why kick Satan down to earth alongside mankind? A test maybe?

We know from scripture GOd has a strange relationship with the devil, he goes to the LOrd and ask's him things..


Luke 22:31 NIV

"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat.

[battle axe]

IF HEAVEN IS FOR ALL God's mercy & grace will see to it that i'll get there anyway so if i slip up on a few things that my wicked heart wants to do I'll be ok in the end anyway

[battle axe]

If heaven is for all i might aswell have a licence to sin though that is very evil in itself which is exactly what i am anyway

[battle axe]

If heaven is for all surely the wickedness first of all must be consumed rather in this life or later on?

[battle axe]

If heaven is for all why create man with choice?

Is it just possible God wanted to have a people that would love him willingly that he may even call his bride & have that joy of pure desire to follow him.   

[ded2daworld]

Correct. IMO :Peace2:

[battle axe]

If heaven is for all why did he say narrow is the path that leads to life but most take the broad way to destruction, What is this destruction?

I guess that could be the destruction of the flesh a possible hint to a punishment period? If all are saved which is what I do believe all in all, Just a few things make me wander though?

[battle axe]

If heaven is for all why wil he say to some depart from me?? Where do they go & for how long?

[ded2daworld]

No one knows for how long. It may vary with each individual. If you want to get along with an ET person just say the only difference between our beliefs is that you believe punishment lasts for all eternity and I think it's a shorter period of time than that. :Peace2:

[battle axe]

Dear brothers & sisters if heaven is for all why do we translate "HE MAKES ALLLL THINGS NEW" as to meaning good for everyone?

IF hell is on earth it would be a new thing & a new set up, new earth does not mean it is alll good, but means its all new neither suggesting good nor bad.

IS it not perfection of his work to make a place that people will love?
People cant fake it anymore the judgment is near surely & and if they keep faking it they might get a new surprise soon?

[battle axe]

No one knows for how long. It may vary with each individual. If you want to get along with an ET person just say the only difference between our beliefs is that you believe punishment lasts for all eternity and I think it's a shorter period of time than that. :Peace2:

Dear brother im at a real place of conflict as my revelation shows me other than what im stating but im just wanting to put another side on it, so these things can be addressed which i think are worthy sayings to post.

Im more with u that its a period of time until the confession comes perhaps?  But at the same time Im trying to deal with this test thing what all that is about? 

[battle axe]

I'll end my sayings now and just like to share we all know God is not a sadist but as u know like i do there are many people who grieve and the mention of the name God let alone Jesus christ,  INfact they love it as a swear word worser still, WHy & how would a people that prefer darkness over light even want to go to heaven?  FOR THEM SINGING TO GOD IS BORING, HEARING HIS WORD they won't go near a church & I can't blame them if its because sermons week in week out is not for them, but my point here is some people love the spirit,  to some it is the last thing they desire because they prefer there evil deeds,  SO WHY WOULD THEY BE IN HEAVEN??  Doesnt make sense?  Maybe God is such a genius he really gives people exactly what they want?   Pure genuis i'd say?  :gimmefive:  We were chosen but why us?  maybe GOd knew many are going to be called but he needed a chosen people so to usher them in?


As I believe all will be saved though despite the above trying to get my head around how one from punishment in a place they prefer, for example my buddhist friend said she dont like talking aout Jesus, how would such people suddenly desire to go to heaven? When they confess Jesus is Lord maybe? Hopefully?  DO ppl believe here in a literaul hell?  Or an end time punishment that is the millenium kingdom of a thousand years?

[Lazarus Short]

BA, I think a lot of your questions are answered by the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, which I subscribe to.  We all get dragged into the Kingdom - harvested, put into the proverbial barn, whether we want to go there or not.  The OT law set out three harvest festivals, centered around the barley harvest, the wheat harvest, and the fall harvests of all the rest.  In spiritual terms, of which the OT festivals are a type and shadow, the barley harvest represents the resurrection of the overcomer believers, those who are glorified first, and rule/reign with Christ for 1,000 years.  The wheat harvest stands for the resurrection of the non-overcomer believers, the pew-warmers, the nominal Christians, who rise at the end of the 1,000 years.  The last harvest indicates the non-believers, who as far as I can tell, have a place in the Kingdom, but not an honorable one.  Further, don't worry about all these nagging questions so much, but trust God, for He knows what He is doing, and has it all well in hand.  All will unfold as it should.

[misszoolander]

I'll end my sayings now and just like to share we all know God is not a sadist but as u know like i do there are many people who grieve and the mention of the name God let alone Jesus christ,  INfact they love it as a swear word worser still, WHy & how would a people that prefer darkness over light even want to go to heaven?  FOR THEM SINGING TO GOD IS BORING, HEARING HIS WORD they won't go near a church & I can't blame them if its because sermons week in week out is not for them, but my point here is some people love the spirit,  to some it is the last thing they desire because they prefer there evil deeds,  SO WHY WOULD THEY BE IN HEAVEN??  Doesnt make sense?  Maybe God is such a genius he really gives people exactly what they want?   Pure genuis i'd say?  :gimmefive:  We were chosen but why us?  maybe GOd knew many are going to be called but he needed a chosen people so to usher them in?


As I believe all will be saved though despite the above trying to get my head around how one from punishment in a place they prefer, for example my buddhist friend said she dont like talking aout Jesus, how would such people suddenly desire to go to heaven? When they confess Jesus is Lord maybe? Hopefully?  DO ppl believe here in a literaul hell?  Or an end time punishment that is the millenium kingdom of a thousand years?

When people come into the presence of a spotless, perfect holy God who will reveal the truth to them they will not be able to resist. I honestly can not imagine a single person who could deny the Lord, in all his might, power and  love

They might deny him now, but in the after life? Hell no (excuse the pun  :LH:)

[battle axe]

BA, I think a lot of your questions are answered by the doctrine of Irresistible Grace, which I subscribe to.  We all get dragged into the Kingdom - harvested, put into the proverbial barn, whether we want to go there or not.  The OT law set out three harvest festivals, centered around the barley harvest, the wheat harvest, and the fall harvests of all the rest.  In spiritual terms, of which the OT festivals are a type and shadow, the barley harvest represents the resurrection of the overcomer believers, those who are glorified first, and rule/reign with Christ for 1,000 years.  The wheat harvest stands for the resurrection of the non-overcomer believers, the pew-warmers, the nominal Christians, who rise at the end of the 1,000 years.  The last harvest indicates the non-believers, who as far as I can tell, have a place in the Kingdom, but not an honorable one.  Further, don't worry about all these nagging questions so much, but trust God, for He knows what He is doing, and has it all well in hand.  All will unfold as it should.

THx for that LS  :thumbsup:   I can take comfort in that everything NOW.. is exactly the way it is supposed to be..ppl are whey they are because that is where they need to be right now.  Some have learned already some have not. 
IS a worm WRONG because it is not a butterfly YET? lol!

[battle axe]

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When people come into the presence of a spotless, perfect holy God who will reveal the truth to them they will not be able to resist. I honestly can not imagine a single person who could deny the Lord, in all his might, power and  love

They might deny him now, but in the after life? Hell no (excuse the pun  :LH:)
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aww thats really blessed me hearing that GBY Sis u are right indeed! :HeartThrob:   Noone will be able to resist but if ther eis a depart from me which sounds like there surely is then they will remember that light & majesty wanting to return as soon as they can?  Initially it seems there will be a Gap until when they do come in, It rmeinds me now of Ian mc cormack's story which I believe with all my heart because he changed comletley & loves Jesus, I know him peronsally & he smiles at you replys to your mails all questions and tells his story for free as he freely recieved,  I love he goes around the world it must be so exciting kind of doing what the apostles did, He knew he was a sinner all to well & he wasn't interested in God one litle bit,  THe hell he was shown was terryfying & wouldn't wish anybody go there even his worst enemy he said & yes when he stood infront of the presence of God he couldnt resists at all & when he did waves of love came on him more & more & He wept & wept,  For anyone interested he's helping making a movie this year named "The perfect wave" A woman actress from Charlies angels got saved & is on fire for JEsus she is in the film too,  I'll post u a link if your interested ;)

[misszoolander]

men of stubborn hearts and unbelievers will depart from Jesus, until every knee bows, and every tongue confesses that He is Lord.

Sometimes it takes discipline, and corrective punishment to make someone admit that they are wrong, but not only that! also God wants to reveal to them HOW wrong they were, how utterly wrong they were, how they can not even compare to Gods wisdom.
Proud men will have their pride smashed, stubborn men will have their will smashed, hateful men will have their hate smashed. Every one will bow down to the truth, and submit themselves to the Lord, who in return will take out our hearts of stone, and put in his heart, his spirit.

[redhotmagma]

I'll end my sayings now and just like to share we all know God is not a sadist but as u know like i do there are many people who grieve and the mention of the name God let alone Jesus christ,  INfact they love it as a swear word worser still, WHy & how would a people that prefer darkness over light even want to go to heaven?  FOR THEM SINGING TO GOD IS BORING, HEARING HIS WORD they won't go near a church & I can't blame them if its because sermons week in week out is not for them, but my point here is some people love the spirit,  to some it is the last thing they desire because they prefer there evil deeds,  SO WHY WOULD THEY BE IN HEAVEN??  Doesnt make sense?  Maybe God is such a genius he really gives people exactly what they want?   Pure genuis i'd say?  :gimmefive:  We were chosen but why us?  maybe GOd knew many are going to be called but he needed a chosen people so to usher them in?


As I believe all will be saved though despite the above trying to get my head around how one from punishment in a place they prefer, for example my buddhist friend said she dont like talking aout Jesus, how would such people suddenly desire to go to heaven? When they confess Jesus is Lord maybe? Hopefully?  DO ppl believe here in a literaul hell?  Or an end time punishment that is the millenium kingdom of a thousand years?

When people come into the presence of a spotless, perfect holy God who will reveal the truth to them they will not be able to resist. I honestly can not imagine a single person who could deny the Lord, in all his might, power and  love

They might deny him now, but in the after life? Hell no (excuse the pun  :LH:)

Who will not fear you and bless your holy name

[micah7:9]

Who, said heaven was for all? Just a question :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[battle axe]

Who, said heaven was for all? Just a question :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

I thought thats what UR teaches eventually everybody gets there?  Please enlighten me.....

[lomarah]

Battle axe are you able to share your friends vision? I'm really interested to hear what he saw.

[battle axe]

Battle axe are you able to share your friends vision? I'm really interested to hear what he saw.

Hello Lomorah :)

Yea sure I can tell of some of the things he saw which lasted over a week which came in the morning's, He wrote it all down in a book online type.  There are many comments like pur egenius, IS God cool or what lol! 
I'll point out the main things some of it is quite fun away from the more serious stuff.

Hell is on earth, so new earth is more like a prison, flesh not been able to be in Glory & such.  Everybody get's what they wanted type thing the flesh reaps the flesh. They that chose the spirit to were in Glory All this was playin before him not like a 1 vision of something but ongoing revealings.  He still tells me now Hell in a good place & God is not a meanie, but in hell they cant do the things they did before, its more of a self punishment really not so much a punishment from God. God been a genius giving them exactly what they wanted all along. Hell was indefinate........

He saw that we are all spirits getting a second chance, Second chance u go huh??  :eek: LOL! This is where the fun begins
IM not even sure I should share this as I dont even maybe belive it myself I still struggle with it & if it is true GOD might not wish this to be known but you are his ellect so I feel ok about it, The 2nd chance we got now is because we are all spirits get ready for the BOMB > evil angels getting a second chance  :eek: :eek:  there are many different kinds of angels, but we are spirits getting a second chance.
To choose the spirit or the flesh.    It's realllly far out isnt it?   I always say we are made in his image but he sticks to what was shown.

In glory there is something called merging, Language is obsalete, you can merge & de merge , there are group merges too & they are really fun, (I personally believe the merge part if not the evil angels bit & I know brothers who also testify to the HS been like that with us, when we do some things that grieve him it seem's he goes away because he is so pure & holy, then when u walk in the spirit he merges again with you, in you.)  There are trips in groups Some will be colonizing planets was by far the best bit & especially if you like your science fiction lol!  Would also make sense why God made so many planets would take an eternity wouldn't it to explore wow!!  I see thee are portals in glory& you can kind of travel at the speed of thought within the dimensions.

People's spirits had colours if one was a more serious type was purple for example & colours that we have never seen before.  People could do different things with different rewards.

THere is a really fun yet interesting part where he goes to visit a friend in hell, he typed the conversation, He goes with his angel to visit him & they have a very normal chat as u do on earth,  the guy in hell doesn't get to see his wife & kids much as they have jobs somewhere, he has his Dog still, and he states TV & radio has really changed these days, my friend ask's his angel if they can merge and the guy in hell asks whats it like where uv'e been travelling & the angel nods gives it the green light,  They merge & when demerge he says wow that is cool, I saw everything uv'e been through, my frined says to him after wow! I never thought u thought that way about Ann & me too for that matter,  he said he figured he owed him a visit & that the truth is rewarded with truth, as I understand it, half truth's, are silly anyway.  If you don't want to know the truth, well,  that would be hell on earth, I suppose.  (We both laugh)    they bid farewell.

It is told in a narrative way,  Mostly as it happened.
UNiversal canvas is a story of creation or better creating.  It bases on the Judeo christian story account & builds on it.
THe universe is heaven, hell is a lonely experience locked in a human body, there is plenty of food & clean water & everybody works.


Thoughts please ; )

[lomarah]

> evil angels getting a second chance

Hmmmm... I was shown the exact opposite of this actually. As far as I can tell, that is a lie. We are not evil angels. (I'm not saying your friend is lying, only that it would appear he has possibly been lied to?) I greatly hesitate to criticize someone's vision in case it is genuinely from the Holy Spirit, but I was shown pretty much the exact opposite of this just a couple of weeks ago.

:Chinscratch:

[battle axe]

I Know i actually joke to him often & tell him its bullsquirt lol!

If his whole vision was a lie which i struggle to believe as i had a witness to the merging thing & the stuff about the universe makes sense, It is very detailed, If was a lie I wander what the purpose of that lie would produce?
I rest in knowing believing that if we were evil spirits gettin a 2nd chance if one belives that it doesnt change much anyhow.