Getting swarmed in a debate

[Nathan]

For those that aren't aware, I'm on the other forum under "crow bar" and so far, my only postings . . .all though they're kinda long . . .are in the introduction thread.

[legoman]

For those that aren't aware, I'm on the other forum under "crow bar" and so far, my only postings . . .all though they're kinda long . . .are in the introduction thread.

Thanks for posting all that Nathan.

Brilliant testimony.  I got something out of it, even if they don't.

[jabcat]

James you made it into their Hall of Fame.
You got your own thread: http://www.christianwebsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3790

I'm honored.  If you want, you can tell them I'm not a member and have never posted there, and have no plans to - that I don't prefer to argue with those fiercely set on defending mainstream error.  Also, that there are many threads only available to members.  Thank God we'll all one day be blessed to see John 4:42 ..."Now we believe, not just because of what you told us, but because we have heard him ourselves. Now we know that he is indeed the Savior of the world."

[Samuel Cripps]

Good job, Nathan.  I look forward to reading your posts.  You got off to a good start, and even RoyS says he likes your attitude!   Do your thing, brother.

[shawn]

I too was blessed by your testimony.  There are some who will get it and some who will not.  I have had seeds planted within my spirit for many many years.  I couldn't really explain what I knew, just that I knew what we were being called to was much deeper than what the church had obtained.  It was beyond denominational differences.  It was beyond the pride.  It was beyond the judgment and divisive natures.  And, I just knew in my spirit that we just were not "getting it".  I knew that ET didn't make sense. 

So, when I was literally drawn to this kind of teaching, it was like a flood came over me.  I was learning before I was reading.  It was a wonderfully odd experience.  At that moment, I knew God wanted to pull me out of the limitations of doctrine to experience His fullness.  I was not only being called out of ET teachings but teachings limited by doctrine itself.  Those seeds are now starting to grow, and I'm seeing many things for the first time.

Some are ready to listen, and some are not.  If you posts help one person, then it wasn't in vain.

[WhiteWings]

James you made it into their Hall of Fame.
You got your own thread: http://www.christianwebsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3790

I'm honored.  If you want, you can tell them

I'm not a member there.

[jabcat]

Oh, OK.   :bigGrin:  You [or anyone]...

[Molly]

They are saying over there that there are no verses about being added to the book of life or being re-added after one has been blotted out.

I don't think I have ever seen a group so totally devoid of mercy.  What do they think Romans 11 is about?  How did they manage to miss that Jesus has added the Gentiles to the book of life, from which they benefit?  Paul tells us the Jews will be grafted back in.  When is this to happen if not after they have died?



15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

--Rom 11

[Nathan]

Well . . .I'm a somebody now!!  They moved me from the "introduction" file and threw me in with the likes of you guys on the cults . . . just when you think you got away . . .SOMEBODY throws you back in!!

[legoman]

Well . . .I'm a somebody now!!  They moved me from the "introduction" file and threw me in with the likes of you guys on the cults . . . just when you think you got away . . .SOMEBODY throws you back in!!

Yeah unfortunately the wolves have started circling  :sigh:

A wolf will always go for the sheep, given a chance.  That's what wolves do.

Try to stay positive, they are doing the same thing to you as they did to the rest of us... if you can continue to handle it with grace & decorum, at least you will set an example for future readers.

[Nathan]

I just find this whole thing surreal . . . they are convinced "we're" the wolves and we think "they" are . . . wonder how God looks at all of this . . .think he's on one side or another?  Or could he be in the middle with a hand on our chest and the other on theirs . . .smiling at us through the whole encounter.  Crazy kids.  Gettin all pumped up, ready to punch the lights out of the other . . .all because one won't accept the others philosophy.

Surely Father . . .there's a way to break these strongholds that would allow your river of life to flow freely from one side to the other . . .that we could actually embrace each other rather than try to choke each other.  Lead the Way oh Lord, lead the way.

[jabcat]

Amen.   :thumbsup:

[Taffy]

I just find this whole thing surreal . . . they are convinced "we're" the wolves and we think "they" are . . . wonder how God looks at all of this . . .think he's on one side or another?  Or could he be in the middle with a hand on our chest and the other on theirs . . .smiling at us through the whole encounter.  Crazy kids.  Gettin all pumped up, ready to punch the lights out of the other . . .all because one won't accept the others philosophy.

Surely Father . . .there's a way to break these strongholds that would allow your river of life to flow freely from one side to the other . . .that we could actually embrace each other rather than try to choke each other.  Lead the Way oh Lord, lead the way.

ya mention a fight -is it on TV? ok I jest

Best this in fighting is left at other boards- it has NO home here- :icon_flower:

[Molly]

All I can say is, Thank God I live in 2011 and not 1011.

I would have lasted ten minutes in 1011.

[nyborn]

I just find this whole thing surreal . . . they are convinced "we're" the wolves and we think "they" are . . . wonder how God looks at all of this . . .think he's on one side or another?  Or could he be in the middle with a hand on our chest and the other on theirs . . .smiling at us through the whole encounter.  Crazy kids.  Gettin all pumped up, ready to punch the lights out of the other . . .all because one won't accept the others philosophy.

Surely Father . . .there's a way to break these strongholds that would allow your river of life to flow freely from one side to the other . . .that we could actually embrace each other rather than try to choke each other.  Lead the Way oh Lord, lead the way.

It's the first person/third person syndrome:

Our (first person) position is correct; their (third person) position is all wrong.

George Carlin said it well in his bit on 'stuff.' I'll paraphrase:

Our junk is stuff, their stuff is junk. 

And God is on His side.

(Sorry if I'm barging in, but the word debate caught my attention)

[legoman]

I just find this whole thing surreal . . . they are convinced "we're" the wolves and we think "they" are . . . wonder how God looks at all of this . . .think he's on one side or another?  Or could he be in the middle with a hand on our chest and the other on theirs . . .smiling at us through the whole encounter.  Crazy kids.  Gettin all pumped up, ready to punch the lights out of the other . . .all because one won't accept the others philosophy.

Yeah its bizarre (surreal as you said).  Now they are calling you a 'slippery snake'.  It seems at least some of them are convinced this is some kind of orchestrated attack from Satanists trying to do .... what I don't know.  I suppose they are afraid the 'Satanists' will come and lead people astray, as if they hold some kind of devious power.  Crazy stuff.

IMHO Unfortunately I think Gabe/Samuel hurt the situation a bit (sorry Gabe) by some of the deception that did occur - multiple user accounts, playing off each other, etc.  I know he meant well.  That stuff just gets found out - it always does.  Its stuff like that just seals the deal - they are deceptive Satanists!  Burn em!.  We have to be a good example.  Turn the other cheek - love your enemy - all that stuff we talk about.  Admittedly I'm not great at it either.  Anyway - I think the environment there is already poisoned through a combination of things and how this has played out so far.  You can go in with the nicest of intentions and they will accuse you of being a deceptive 'snake' demanding to 'come clean'.  LOL I don't know how much 'cleaner' you could have come Nathan - you bared your life story there.  I appreciate that.  And now they are going to proceed to pick you to bits.  I get what you are saying about scripture and following the spirit - but they are going to take you to task on that.  Any little thing you say that's even the slightest ambiguous, they will blow it up in your face.  Pearls and swine and all that.  SPIRIT of the word - not the LETTER of the word.

But again, in some ways - its just the way it is - it has to be that way so that God's mercy will be that much greater when the truth is revealed to them.

Surely Father . . .there's a way to break these strongholds that would allow your river of life to flow freely from one side to the other . . .that we could actually embrace each other rather than try to choke each other.  Lead the Way oh Lord, lead the way.

Amen.

[Molly]

On the upside, you guys are writing some great posts over there.  Maybe the Inquisition brings out the best in people. Talk about fire. :bigGrin:

You should bring some of those posts over here.  I'm learning a lot. :laughing7:

[Samuel Cripps]

Legoman,

Our friends at CWS have hated me for 5 years.  My recent "deception" changed nothing.

[legoman]

Legoman,

Our friends at CWS have hated me for 5 years.  My recent "deception" changed nothing.

Yeah I figured there was a long history, I can understand how you that could weigh on you.  So I don't really blame you.  I don't know the history.  They are just using whatever happened with you as further 'proof' that universalists are deceptive satanists.  :sigh:

For whatever reason, this particular message board seems very toxic.  That can cause people to do strange things.  One thing I noted is it seems to be just a very few posters - mostly like-minded.  Mostly mods too.  Its like the family ranch and anyone thats 'not with us' is of the devil.  But if you notice in the main "open discussion board" there is a battle going on between Sadie & Titus about OSAS vs. no-OSAS.  And their method of argument is starting to sound like the same attacks against UR.  If Universalism wasn't there as a big target, they would be damning each other to hell.  Its ironic because universal reconciliation is the solution to the OSAS/NOSAS debate.

[Nathan]

Legoman,

Our friends at CWS have hated me for 5 years.  My recent "deception" changed nothing.

5 YEARS of this??  That's a testiment of sacrifice in and of itself.  I don't know I want to hang around for "that" long.  Is there "anyone" over there that isn't so abusive???  I mean, I've never seen it so heartless. 

[Samuel Cripps]

crow bar asked:

How long has this issue between you guys and the UR's been going on then? There seems to be such a deep hatred here against us/them. Is it their approach that has you so guarded? Or is it the message itself? Both? What would it take to at least bring the swelling down a bit? It's just sad that there's such a dissention against each other.

Roys replied:

Ask your friend, Samuel. Maybe he'll tell you his entire history here (but I doubt that).

I'd be glad to explain everything to whomever is interested.

BTW, I was only universalist that had ever posted there until I invited you guys.

[Molly]

I mean, I've never seen it so heartless. 

That's what makes me wonder if they are for real or only pretending to be Christians.  Maybe it's all a spoof.  Kind of reminds me of the movie, Deliverance lol.

Your posts are great, Nathan.

[Samuel Cripps]

The resident geocentricist at CWS, historyb, wants y'all to just go away.  Don't cave into his demands.    :happygrin:

He's the same guy who said he'd enjoy watching me burn on a stake.  :HeartThrob:

[Nathan]

Jeeze I don't know . . .where God has us is such a precious place that to try to continue having them crap on everything that you try to share . . .I've just never seen anything like it.  they're convinced I'm over there as an act . . .I so want to just throw the Bible at them but they're so brittle, it'd just be feeding into their deluge of nasty accusations. 

[Samuel Cripps]

http://www.christianwebsite.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46825&postcount=64


Wow. 

Nathan the deceiver.   

Insanity.