Why do people seem to have trouble getting away from the doctrine of Hell

[Universalist Catholic]

I've just noticed that anytime anyone speaks against the doctrine of Hell, you get severely attacked.  Yet I have seen people deny the existence of God, Jesus as the Savior, and other important truths.  But the way they defend it almost makes me think that they are being posessed by Demons.  Im beginning to wonder if people are becoming more enlightened about the truth.  Even though many have not found Jesus, yet countless souls are being freed from the delusion of Eternal Punishment, not to mention the bitter fruits of this teaching are being quickly exposed.  Without the teaching of hell, we have a dignified and free spiritual journey that kind of pushes away the need for iron fist religious institutions. 

[thinktank]

Some people have more faith in hell than in Jesus!.

[WhiteWings]

Some people have more faith in hell than in Jesus!.

I think that's not true. Most people don't really read. Most people really think hell is all over the Bible. Be honest TT. Hell is clearly in the Bible if you read KJV and similar translations. Fire, eternal, torture, etc....

[micah7:9]

Some people have more faith in hell than in Jesus!.

I think that's not true. Most people don't really read. Most people really think hell is all over the Bible. Be honest TT. Hell is clearly in the Bible if you read KJV and similar translations. Fire, eternal, torture, etc....

That is very true. The KVJ has been said to be the inerrant Word of God, so anything else is looked at as not true. Besides IMO most people dont read any Bible they just accept what is spoke most by most. They just dont care yet, but I venture to say all will in His Time.

[thinktank]

Some people have more faith in hell than in Jesus!.

I think that's not true. Most people don't really read. Most people really think hell is all over the Bible. Be honest TT. Hell is clearly in the Bible if you read KJV and similar translations. Fire, eternal, torture, etc....

I think the kjv translators had problems finding English words for the Greek words they replaced. I heard Gary say on his videos that hell has been used for 3 different words I can't remember the exact Greek words. But in my opinion from instinct I think these words where hell is used means are grave, bottomless pit, pain/suffering and anger.

I think when God says I send hell fire, I think he means something similar to what destroyed Sodom and Gomorah, His angry fire. I think when other usages are used e.g in revelation the horse comes from the bottomless pit and death and hell followed him, I think hell is some kind of trail of destruction. I will stop for now, but the point I'm making is the difficulty in finding out what hell means in the context of the passage.

[WhiteWings]

TT,

Yes, KJV translators did have problems. Todays translators have much more manuscripts to reconstruct the originals.
But I also think KJV is biased. The denomination existed before the translation. So the translation must fit the believes.
Recently I've read another reason why KJV uses so many words for the same original Greek/Hebrew words.
KJV wasn't translated by one team. There were a number of teams that each translated a few books.
Those teams didn't communicate with eachother. So let's assume there were 5 teams that struggled with a certain word. Then it's possibly 5 different words were chosen by the translators.
I haven't checked it myself but it would/should mean that the translation is consistant per book.

[shawn]

I believe people have problems getting away from the teaching of eternal torment for various reasons.  One, is the unpopularity of the UR view...the label of heretic...and the threat of eternal torture.  I believe many think that if they believe in UR and they are wrong that they will be burned for their heresy.

[thinktank]

Yes, the early church was quite zealous, in fact they are similar to the apostle Paul, rather Saul. By being zealous about their religion and threatning anyone who opposed their beliefs. They did some terrible things back then, many christians killed for nothing.

[Universalist Catholic]

Yes, the early church was quite zealous, in fact they are similar to the apostle Paul, rather Saul. By being zealous about their religion and threatning anyone who opposed their beliefs. They did some terrible things back then, many christians killed for nothing.

I always thought the Early Church was primarily Universalist until Augustine.

[Samuel Cripps]

Can you direct me to some evidence for this?

Yes, the early church was quite zealous, in fact they are similar to the apostle Paul, rather Saul. By being zealous about their religion and threatning anyone who opposed their beliefs. They did some terrible things back then, many christians killed for nothing.

[Universalist Catholic]

Can you direct me to some evidence for this?

Yes, the early church was quite zealous, in fact they are similar to the apostle Paul, rather Saul. By being zealous about their religion and threatning anyone who opposed their beliefs. They did some terrible things back then, many christians killed for nothing.

I know there was a lot of Christian violence in the Middle Ages.  Crusades, heretic burnings, the Spanish Inquizition.

[thinktank]

sorry I meant the church of the middle ages, I meant early as in early to me and in general.

With all of these hunts for herectics, it must have been difficult for people to speak out against tradition or even to add new revelation.


The early church was more persecuted by the Roman empire and certain Jewish leaders, such as those who stoned Stephen.

:2c:

[Universalist Catholic]

sorry I meant the church of the middle ages, I meant early as in early to me and in general.

With all of these hunts for herectics, it must have been difficult for people to speak out against tradition or even to add new revelation.


The early church was more persecuted by the Roman empire and certain Jewish leaders, such as those who stoned Stephen.

:2c:

Sounds like modern day Iran, and the USA if Pat Robertson would have won the election.

[thinktank]

Pat, nah, Pats just a friendly old, young man  :bigGrin: at least I think you'll agree that he is good for his age  :grin:

[shawn]

sorry I meant the church of the middle ages, I meant early as in early to me and in general.

With all of these hunts for herectics, it must have been difficult for people to speak out against tradition or even to add new revelation.


The early church was more persecuted by the Roman empire and certain Jewish leaders, such as those who stoned Stephen.

:2c:

And to think I feel beat up for a rough day on a message board.  Could we stand up under the threat of death for what we believe?