All whom will be saved need to Repent and Believe the Gospel

[Travis]

All whom will be saved need to repent and believe the Gospel.

Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected three days later and lives forevermore.
All whom believe on him for salvation will be saved, all whom don't shall be damned eternally in the place prepared for the devil and his angels.

You must be born again.

Flee from the wrath to come.
Acknowledge that you have sinned against a Holy God.
Repent of your unbelief, repent of your sins.
Believe on him for your salvation, knowing that there are no good works you could ever do to earn your salvation, knowing that it is a free gift from God. God, the creator of all that is visible and invisible, became a man, and died on the cross, a perfect sinless sacrifice, so that your sins could be forgiven. His name is Jesus Christ.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

Spend time praying to Jesus Christ every day. The first commandment is to Love God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. So spend time with him in prayer every day. Spend time in his written Word every day.

Acts 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

[shawn]

All whom will be saved need to repent and believe the Gospel.

Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected three days later and lives forevermore.
All whom believe on him for salvation will be saved, all whom don't shall be damned eternally in the place prepared for the devil and his angels.

You must be born again.

Flee from the wrath to come.
Acknowledge that you have sinned against a Holy God.
Repent of your unbelief, repent of your sins.
Believe on him for your salvation, knowing that there are no good works you could ever do to earn your salvation, knowing that it is a free gift from God. God, the creator of all that is visible and invisible, became a man, and died on the cross, a perfect sinless sacrifice, so that your sins could be forgiven. His name is Jesus Christ.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

Spend time praying to Jesus Christ every day. The first commandment is to Love God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. So spend time with him in prayer every day. Spend time in his written Word every day.

Acts 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

You do realize that this is a universal reconciliation board right?  Do you believe those of us here have never heard the gospel?  Have we not heard the doctrine of firey damnation by a God who also loves agape?  I choose Christ but reject man made doctrine that is not Biblically based.

My suggestion, open your heart to the truth.  Read.  Study.  Pray for revelation in this area of your belief system.

[thinktank]

I agree with all that apart from the place where you said "all whom don't shall be damned eternally in the place prepared for the devil and his angels".


1st Nobody really knows what this place is, and what type of punishment spirits will receive, if indeed it is even possible to live after death.

2nd Jesus has the keys of death, hell and the grave and so can indeed open up hell, if needs be

3rd There is no logical or moral explanation for simply torturing people for eternity. The punishments in the old testament are eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. So if one murders a person the punishement would be for them to be murdered, not endless punishments. A good example is Jesus. What punisment did he receive for our sins? He got crucified. So the worst punishment a person can get is crucifiction, because Jesus laid upon himself the sins of the world and his punishment was crucifiction.

4th the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin. There is no place in the bible that says, the blood atonment will only last for 2000 years. Jesus said that my word shall not pass away. That means his blood covenant stands for eternity.

5th . The bible talks a lot about eternity, but does not mean it, because of translation issues. Babylon was suppose to be destroyed for eternity, but look now and you'll find modern day Iraq

6th keep searching for the truth, universalism is a new movement or a resurection of old movements, but they do not yet have all the answers to some of these questions, there are many theories proposed, I personally have not come to a conclusion on these issues, as there is a HUGE amount to learn and it is challenging to fit all the pieces together.
But my faith is in God that he will do what is right and hopefully all will be saved somehow, even if it means going through fiery trials.

[shawn]

TT...I know what you mean but this gentleman may not.  When you say universalism...you don't mean all relgions lead to God.  I think that needs to be made clear.  Often times I have seen those of the ET persuasion try to represent UR as Universalism and they are very very different.

[WhiteWings]

1st Nobody really knows what this place is, and what type of punishment spirits will receive, if indeed it is even possible to live after death.

Depends on what your defenition of punishment is.

"For example, the Pharisees, according to Josephus, regarded the penalty of sin as torment without end, and they stated the doctrine in unambiguous terms. They called it eirgmos aidios (eternal imprisonment) and timorion adialeipton (endless torment), while our Lord called the punishment of sin aionion kolasin (age-long chastisement).

3rd There is no logical or moral explanation for simply torturing people for eternity.

Neither is there a single shred of evidence for in in the whole Bible

The punishments in the old testament are eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. So if one murders a person the punishement would be for them to be murdered, not endless punishments.

:thumbsup:

A good example is Jesus. What punisment did he receive for our sins? He got crucified. So the worst punishment a person can get is crucifiction, because Jesus laid upon himself the sins of the world and his punishment was crucifiction.

Jesus payed in full. Even the most tiny hint we are not bought (=saved) is an insult to promise of both Father and Son.

4th the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin. There is no place in the bible that says, the blood atonment will only last for 2000 years. Jesus said that my word shall not pass away. That means his blood covenant stands for eternity.

That's another nail to the ET coffin. The blood doesn't only work forward in time; but also backward in time. When did Noach, Moses, Job, Daniel, etc confess Jesus is Lord? Are the going to burn forever because the were born before Jesus?

6th keep searching for the truth, universalism is a new movement or a resurection of old movements,

UR existed from the very start. Lots of proof for that.
Even Augustine didn't completly rule it out.

but they do not yet have all the answers to some of these questions, there are many theories proposed, I personally have not come to a conclusion on these issues, as there is a HUGE amount to learn and it is challenging to fit all the pieces together.

Nobody has all the pieces of the puzzle. But finding the outline of God's plan is very well possible.

But my faith is in God that he will do what is right and hopefully all will be saved somehow, even if it means going through fiery trials.

Everybody shall be salted by fire. Salt is good.

[WhiteWings]

TT...I know what you mean but this gentleman may not.  When you say universalism...you don't mean all relgions lead to God.  I think that needs to be made clear.  Often times I have seen those of the ET persuasion try to represent UR as Universalism and they are very very different.

Travis has been on this forum for years. So I think he knows this forum is Christ centered UR. Just look under the board logo at the top of this page.

[Paul Hazelwood]

All whom will be saved need to repent and believe the Gospel.

Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected three days later and lives forevermore.
All whom believe on him for salvation will be saved, all whom don't shall be damned eternally in the place prepared for the devil and his angels.

You must be born again.

Flee from the wrath to come.
Acknowledge that you have sinned against a Holy God.
Repent of your unbelief, repent of your sins.
Believe on him for your salvation, knowing that there are no good works you could ever do to earn your salvation, knowing that it is a free gift from God. God, the creator of all that is visible and invisible, became a man, and died on the cross, a perfect sinless sacrifice, so that your sins could be forgiven. His name is Jesus Christ.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

Spend time praying to Jesus Christ every day. The first commandment is to Love God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. So spend time with him in prayer every day. Spend time in his written Word every day.

Acts 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

It is always trustworthy to confess Jesus as Lord.   :thumbsup:

[Beloved Servant]

...as He tells us many shall say.

[jabcat]

You must be born again.

Absolutely.  That is taught here.

Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

Accurate translation;  BECAUSE OF/[following/due to] the remission of your sins - not for.

[Lefein]

All whom will be saved need to repent and believe the Gospel.

Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected three days later and lives forevermore.
All whom believe on him for salvation will be saved, all whom don't shall be damned eternally in the place prepared for the devil and his angels.

You must be born again.

All of this is true, except that "eternally damned" is not in the Koine Greek, it is a mistranslation of the manuscripts.  Aionian does not mean Eternal unless it pertains to God, and it certainly does not mean Eternal when it comes to "Kolasin aionian" - "chastening [chastening-lasting]".

Flee from the wrath to come.
Acknowledge that you have sinned against a Holy God.
Repent of your unbelief, repent of your sins.
Believe on him for your salvation, knowing that there are no good works you could ever do to earn your salvation, knowing that it is a free gift from God. God, the creator of all that is visible and invisible, became a man, and died on the cross, a perfect sinless sacrifice, so that your sins could be forgiven. His name is Jesus Christ.

Indeed we all should.

Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

...are you...a member of the Church of Christ (denomination)?

Spend time praying to Jesus Christ every day. The first commandment is to Love God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. So spend time with him in prayer every day. Spend time in his written Word every day.

This is good advice.

Acts 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Indeed.

[shawn]

TT...I know what you mean but this gentleman may not.  When you say universalism...you don't mean all relgions lead to God.  I think that needs to be made clear.  Often times I have seen those of the ET persuasion try to represent UR as Universalism and they are very very different.

Travis has been on this forum for years. So I think he knows this forum is Christ centered UR. Just look under the board logo at the top of this page.

I understand that.  But, I think there is much confusion when UR believers describe themselves as Universalists.  UR believers are not universalists and I believe that distinction needs to be made.

[WhiteWings]

TT...I know what you mean but this gentleman may not.  When you say universalism...you don't mean all relgions lead to God.  I think that needs to be made clear.  Often times I have seen those of the ET persuasion try to represent UR as Universalism and they are very very different.

Travis has been on this forum for years. So I think he knows this forum is Christ centered UR. Just look under the board logo at the top of this page.

I understand that.  But, I think there is much confusion when UR believers describe themselves as Universalists.  UR believers are not universalists and I believe that distinction needs to be made.

Very true. But imo "Jesus Christ, Saviour of all men, especially those who believe" as a ministry 'slogan' is a strong hint this is not a unitrarian forum.
Most of the post on this forum mention Son, Saviour, He, Lord, etc. Also a hint. I think Travis knows all that but just doesn't agree with our conclusions.
But I agree with your point; UR is not clear enough. I think it should be called CUR. The C of Christian.

[Cardinal]

[But I agree with your point; UR is not clear enough. I think it should be called CUR. The C of Christian.

:cloud9: Uh, maybe not the best acronym......in English, a cur is a dog of inferior or mixed breeding, and/or a person of ill repute......just sayin'  :mrflo:

[Lefein]

Cardinal: We are mostly gentiles you know...  :laughing7:

[WhiteWings]

1 : DOG:  a dialect chiefly Britain   : SHEEP DOG, WATCHDOG

We are the helpers of the Good Shepherd  :laughing7:

[shawn]

TT...I know what you mean but this gentleman may not.  When you say universalism...you don't mean all relgions lead to God.  I think that needs to be made clear.  Often times I have seen those of the ET persuasion try to represent UR as Universalism and they are very very different.

Travis has been on this forum for years. So I think he knows this forum is Christ centered UR. Just look under the board logo at the top of this page.

I understand that.  But, I think there is much confusion when UR believers describe themselves as Universalists.  UR believers are not universalists and I believe that distinction needs to be made.

Very true. But imo "Jesus Christ, Saviour of all men, especially those who believe" as a ministry 'slogan' is a strong hint this is not a unitrarian forum.
Most of the post on this forum mention Son, Saviour, He, Lord, etc. Also a hint. I think Travis knows all that but just doesn't agree with our conclusions.
But I agree with your point; UR is not clear enough. I think it should be called CUR. The C of Christian.

I think you are missing my point.  Yes, someone should be able to sort through it on this forum.  But, I have seen UR guys describe themselves as universalists on numerous occasions on non UR boards.  That brings a connotation that I doubt many UR guys/gals or any would want.  The statement is made so that as a community UR believers can be seen as representing truth rather than some sort of new age all paths lead to God supporters.

[jabcat]

 :2c:  I try to almost NEVER call my self a 'universalist' or use the term universalism.  IMO, it carried too many negative assumptions.

I prefer Ultimate Reconciliation or the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ;  I believe Jesus will ultimately draw all men to Him, and that His blood and cross will eventually reach across all boundaries, all nations, and penetrate and redeem all men's hearts.   :thumbsup:

[Lefein]

I simply call myself a Christian. 

Doctrinal wise (if I must be asked for a resume of my beliefs) I am an Ultimate-Reconciliationist, not an Eternal Damnationalist, nor Annihiliationist; subdoctrinally I am a believer in "Applied-Arminianism", rather than "Applied-Calvinism".

[shawn]

:2c:  I try to almost NEVER call my self a 'universalist' or use the term universalism.  IMO, it carried too many negative assumptions.

I prefer Ultimate Reconciliation or the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ;  I believe Jesus will ultimately draw all men to Him, and that His blood and cross will eventually reach across all boundaries, all nations, and penetrate and redeem all men's hearts.   :thumbsup:

I like both of those.  When the subject comes up, I make it known I do not believe in eternal torture.  At this point, that is all I can say with certainty.  But, my hope is universal reconciliation through the blood of Jesus Christ.

[LS]

But, my hope is universal reconciliation through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Hi Shawn ... I believe in universal reconciliation, meaning I think the Bible is clear that through the blood of Jesus Christ God reconciled the world to Himself.

However, I don't think that is the same thing as saying that all are saved ... "universal salvation."  Reconciliation and salvation are not the same thing, in my opinion.

:2c:

[Lefein]

According to my understanding, if even one is lost, God has failed in his more ultimate will.

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Shawn...  :cloud9:

The statement is made so that as a community UR believers can be seen as representing truth rather than some sort of new age all paths lead to God supporters.

Actually... no religious organization, nor entity has NOR gives, the "pathway" to SALVATION... for the WAY (apart from the assistance of GOD who leads to repentence, and has provided the Savior)... is UNKNOWN to man... and He must be guided to IT and upon it:

There is only ONE "PATH" that leads to Salvation... and man cannot "FIND IT" of himself 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<   :duck:  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

(1) --  CHRIST  is the "WAY" -- John 14:6...

(2) -- and the "WAY" of man is not known to Him -- Prov 20:24...

(3) -- until GOD who is WORKING ALL THINGS -- Eph 1:11...

(4) -- DRAGS each one to the "WAY" (WORD) -- Rom 2:4 -- John 6:44...

(5) -- and the WORD who is NO RESPECTER of PERSONS -- Acts 10:34 -- Job 34:19 & 8 others...

(6) -- then reveals the Father -- Matt 11:27...

(7) -- which causes the one REVEALED to bow at the knee and confess with the tongue -- Phil 4:10-11...

(8) -- which SAVES each one which is LOST, for ALL are LOST -- Rom 3:23...

(9) -- but are FOUND in CHRIST -- Luke 15:32 -- 1 Cor 15:22...

(10) -- each in his own order according to the working of GOD -- 1 Cor 15:23...

(11) -- who IS (not "potentially is") the SAVIOR of ALL MEN -- 1 Tim 4:10...

:boogie:

willieH  :cloud9:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi LS...  :cloud9:

Hi Shawn ... I believe in universal reconciliation, meaning I think the Bible is clear that through the blood of Jesus Christ God reconciled the world to Himself.

However, I don't think that is the same thing as saying that all are saved ... "universal salvation."  Reconciliation and salvation are not the same thing, in my opinion.

:2c:

So we are clear as to the ENGLISH:

From Merriam-Webster:

Definition of RECONCILE

transitive verb
1a : to restore to friendship or harmony <reconciled the factions> b : settle, resolve <reconcile differences>
2: to make consistent or congruous <reconcile an ideal with reality>
3: to cause to submit to or accept something unpleasant <was reconciled to hardship>
4a : to check (a financial account) against another for accuracy

:dontknow:

In examining the word "RECONCILIATION" given in the statement made by PAUL in 2 Cor 5:18-19 -- must we not consider the definitions of the word RECONCILED/RECONCILING/RECONCILIATION in the Greek?  Once we have, let's examine their place in the statement:

[1]  RECONCILIATION = #2643 -- KATALLAGE (from #2644) -- exchange (fig adjustment) i.e. RESTORATION to (the divine) FAVOR; atonement = reconciliation

[2]  RECONCILED = #G2644 -- KATALLASSO (from 2596 & 236) -- to CHANGE MUTUALLY; i.e. compound a difference = reconcile

[3]  RECONCILING = #G2643 -- KATALLAGE -- (see above)

With these definitions in mind PAUL said:

2 Cor 18-19 --- and ALL THINGS are OF GOD, who hath ...[2]  RECONCILED... us to Himself, by JESUS CHRIST, and hath given us the MINISTRY of ...[1]  RECONCILIATION... to wit, that GOD was IN CHRIST, ...[3]  RECONCILING... the WORLD unto Himself, not imputing their tresspasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the WORD of ...[1]  RECONCILIATION...

Let me now insert the meanings of these words into the text:

2 Cor 18-19 --- and ALL THINGS are OF GOD, who hath ...[2]  CHANGED MUTUALLY... us to Himself, by JESUS CHRIST, and hath given us the MINISTRY of ...[1]  RESTORATION... to wit, that GOD was IN CHRIST, ...[3]  RESTORING... the WORLD unto Himself, not imputing their tresspasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the WORD of ...[1]  RESTORATION...


If in "RESTORING" to DIVINE FAVOR, ...the trespasses (SINS) are not IMPUTED (blame assigned)... and if RESTORATION has occured in this "reconciliation" and the ministry OF that "restoration" is to be taken to the WORLD, ...then,

Now, if you would LS,  ...by all means, please explain to me, the difference...  between "SALVATION" and "RECONCILIATION" ---  :dontknow: ---  In what ways are they separate, and in what ways are they DIFFERENT?

As I see it, it is 2 ways (words used) in saying that ALL SIN was accounted for by CHRIST, and this message is that which is to be ministered unto the WORLD by those who follow JESUS CHRIST...

What say you, LS?


willieH  :cloud9:

[jabcat]

The clarification was helpful to me.

I love that word restore/restoration (apocatastasis).   :thumbsup:

[shawn]

willieH: Hi Shawn...  :cloud9:

The statement is made so that as a community UR believers can be seen as representing truth rather than some sort of new age all paths lead to God supporters.

Actually... no religious organization, nor entity has NOR gives, the "pathway" to SALVATION... for the WAY (apart from the assistance of GOD who leads to repentence, and has provided the Savior)... is UNKNOWN to man... and He must be guided to IT and upon it:

There is only ONE "PATH" that leads to Salvation... and man cannot "FIND IT" of himself 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<   :duck:  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

(1) --  CHRIST  is the "WAY" -- John 14:6...

(2) -- and the "WAY" of man is not known to Him -- Prov 20:24...

(3) -- until GOD who is WORKING ALL THINGS -- Eph 1:11...

(4) -- DRAGS each one to the "WAY" (WORD) -- Rom 2:4 -- John 6:44...

(5) -- and the WORD who is NO RESPECTER of PERSONS -- Acts 10:34 -- Job 34:19 & 8 others...

(6) -- then reveals the Father -- Matt 11:27...

(7) -- which causes the one REVEALED to bow at the knee and confess with the tongue -- Phil 4:10-11...

(8) -- which SAVES each one which is LOST, for ALL are LOST -- Rom 3:23...

(9) -- but are FOUND in CHRIST -- Luke 15:32 -- 1 Cor 15:22...

(10) -- each in his own order according to the working of GOD -- 1 Cor 15:23...

(11) -- who IS (not "potentially is") the SAVIOR of ALL MEN -- 1 Tim 4:10...

:boogie:

willieH  :cloud9:

And none of that I would disagree with.