Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination

[leelee]

I would like review of my Ultimate Reconciliation theology.  Setting forth the doctrine that the reprobate are the devil and his angels.  The elect saints are the elect angels.  Just as Jesus was God born in a human body...  the devil and his angels are being born into human bodies; the elect saints are being born into human bodies.

Judas was a devil. Jesus says to those on His left on Judgment Day to go into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels  Satan, in Isaiah 14 and Revelation 20 thus, is bound in the flesh of a man. And becomes a man and is cast into hell. Worms cover Satan for the 1000 years.  In Matthew where it says that the reprobate are seed sown by the devil -- but the saints are seed sown by God.  There is "no such thing" as a "separate race" of human beings separate from the angels and devils.

Jesus on the cross destroyed Satan. 

One purpose of earth is the power of the cross to destroy the devil and his angels - in the lake of fire.  When the angels fell from grace to become devils -- hell existed.  But when God created earth, God forced the devil and his angels into flesh to bind them in flesh. God punishes Satan thereby by casting Satan into the lowest depths of hell bound in human flesh and covered with worms for the 1000 years. 

Isaiah 14: 9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. .

There will be a 1000 year period in which the devil and his angels are bound in human flesh with worms covering them that will not die.

Mark 9:43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

This punishment is for Satan and the devils exalting themselves above the Throne of God.  They are bound in flesh and cast in hell and have this special punishment for the 1000 years.  Then, they are resurrected and go to Final Armageddon after the 1000 years.  Jesus returns in the first Heaven.

At the return of Jesus, the fullness of the power of His glorified resurrected Person manifesting brings the power of the lake of fire to 7th vial level.  The flesh, this world, and the devils are fully destroyed according to evil.

As you see, there is no such thing as a "mere human being" going to hell.  Rather, the devils and his angels always were in hell, are bound in flesh, cast in hell -- and eventually destroyed fully at the Lord's return.

Therefore, there is no reason for any of us saints on earth to "pity" those persons who go to hell.  They were in hell all along.  Here on earth is the only "respite" they have ever had for a season since their fall.  (As some persons state, "Earth is the only Heaven some people will ever know".  Well, hell is not eternal -- but earth for devils in human bodies is a respite from hell.  They return to hell from which they came bound in flesh -- as their bodies are dead on earth.)  That devils are in hell should be no surprise to us.  (Hell is the substance of the spirit of the devil -- it's just their inward spirit manifesting in a "place" -- even as the Spirit of God manifests in a "place" called Heaven.  What is "inside" is the atmosphere in both cases.)

Also, there is no question that Satan and the devils are reconciled on the Last Day.  It is the devil and his angels in human form appearing before Jesus on His left cast into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The reconciliation of the "people" who are on the left of Jesus at Judgment Day IS the reconciliation of the devils and his angels.  (Other than Jesus who was born as God in human flesh appearing, there is no such thing as a "human being" who was not either an elect holy angel born from above as a saint in human flesh appearing or a devil born from below as a devil in human flesh appearing.)

The whole counsel of God is NOT "man-centered".  "Man" is not even a being apart from the spiritual reality of his spiritual being as either a holy angel born from above in Heaven or a devil born from below in hell.

God is completely 100% Sovereign.  There is no such thing as "free will salvation".  All salvation is pre-destined in substantive predestination on earth.

Then, through the process God has wrought -- God restores all the fallen angels through the power of the cross in the lake of fire on the Last Day -- restoring all creation.

This sound doctrine of the Word of God is revelation to correct the perceptions of the saints - to gain proper framework and focus -- and to unite the body of Christ as we prepare for rapture.

There is much more that could be said.  But, I am sharing this theological framework of Ultimate Reconciliation in Substantive Predestination.

[Beloved Servant]

Your review appears to ignore:

Acts 10:34;
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.

[eaglesway]

Systematic theology subverts the truth.... I AM the Way the Truth and the Life. The foundations must be inclusive of all the scriptures, not a select few- and where we see through a glass darkly because of conflicts within the word(conflicts in our understanding of the word)... we must humble ourselves and press further into the mystery. The Logos is complete. It is not completely understood. The whole counsel of God is not cut out of whole cloth. The way that predestination works according to the for-knowledge of God is definitely a mystery.

[leelee]

Beloved Servant, this is the scripture to which you refer:  Acts 10:34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:  35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

At that time, the church consisted only of Jewish believers.  But, the Holy Spirit Himself directed Peter to Cornelius.  Acts 10:34 means that the elect of God are not only of Jewish lineage as the first believers at first supposed.  Rather, the elect of God in Christ include Gentiles and believers of all nations who are granted the grace of living faith in Jesus.

Your attempt to quote that scripture to refute my scriptural case has no application and does not refute the scriptural case.

[leelee]

Systematic theology subverts the truth.... I AM the Way the Truth and the Life. The foundations must be inclusive of all the scriptures, not a select few- and where we see through a glass darkly because of conflicts within the word(conflicts in our understanding of the word)... we must humble ourselves and press further into the mystery. The Logos is complete. It is not completely understood. The whole counsel of God is not cut out of whole cloth. The way that predestination works according to the for-knowledge of God is definitely a mystery.

I was born again seeing Jesus face to face in the 3rd Heaven.  I have been reading the Bible for over 40 years.  Systematic theology is very simply "putting together the Big Picture".  Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.  This foundation is inclusive of all the scriptures.  You are stating the objection that I haven't studied the Word of God.  I have.  You are stating an objection that the view must be inclusive of all scripture.  It is.  Apostles reveal mysteries.  An apostle is speaking stating forth the whole counsel. 

It would be helpful to address the scriptural view, grapple with it, try to understand it, respond -- rather than stating that it's a mystery that cannot be known. 

1 Corinthians 2:9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Ephesians 3:4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

I meet every "qualification" to reveal mysteries of the Word of God.  So, I'd really like to discuss the doctrine itself and the "big picture view" I am presenting -- rather than declarations that it's automatically "beyond me". 

My calling is to release the Whole Counsel of God to the body for unification.  I'd like to discuss the scripture.

It's quite simple.

God is Sovereign and His Sovereign plan is redemption through the cross.  He has a plan -- and the fact is -- the reprobate on the left of Jesus are the devil and his angels in human form appearing.

Substantive predestination is the topic presented.... not my qualifications to set it forth.  But, since my qualifications were challenged, I've addressed that point.  I'm an apostle, it's my calling, and I've spent the requisite time in study of the Word and can see this and am sharing.

[leelee]

I'll state this succinctly.  The human population of all human history pre-exists in:

1.  Jesus Christ born as God and Savior into the body of the virgin Mary.

2.  The population of the elect holy angels (born into human bodies as the elect saints).

3.  The population of the devil and his demons (born into human bodies as the damned).

Thus pre-destination is the substance and evidence of the pre-existing unseen manifesting into time and space in the earth realm.

You start there -- and everything begins to "come into vision" of the whole counsel of God.  I can speak further to every point of the end from the beginning.

[leelee]

I will give some "short points"... starting from the beginning.

Genesis 1:  1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.  5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Darkness upon the face of the deep -- and darkness in and of itself -- reveals the kingdom of hell.  Darkness upon the "face of the deep" -- is the face of Satan in the kingdom of hell (the kingdom of darkness).

Satan and 1/3 of the angels fell.  Thus the manifestation of darkness on the face of the deep in "chaos" came into being.  The ruin of sin.  God Himself hovered over the face of hell, the face of Satan -- face to face -- and created earth from His own Spirit straight into the abyss of hell.

This is "how and why" the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (with Satan in it) was in the Garden of Eden.

The plan of redemption -- of the fallen angels -- had begun.  A "new dimension" of a "convergence" of Heaven and earth -- a "mediating ground" and "mediating dimension" was established by God in the creation of the first Heaven and earth.

Satan, himself, was bound in the earth -- and thus the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil appeared in the Garden of Eden.  (I'll continue more later.  Please consider this in general and I will give more overview later.)

[eaglesway]

Systematic theology subverts the truth.... I AM the Way the Truth and the Life. The foundations must be inclusive of all the scriptures, not a select few- and where we see through a glass darkly because of conflicts within the word(conflicts in our understanding of the word)... we must humble ourselves and press further into the mystery. The Logos is complete. It is not completely understood. The whole counsel of God is not cut out of whole cloth. The way that predestination works according to the for-knowledge of God is definitely a mystery.

I was born again seeing Jesus face to face in the 3rd Heaven.  I have been reading the Bible for over 40 years.  Systematic theology is very simply "putting together the Big Picture".  Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.  This foundation is inclusive of all the scriptures.  You are stating the objection that I haven't studied the Word of God.  I have.  You are stating an objection that the view must be inclusive of all scripture.  It is.  Apostles reveal mysteries.  An apostle is speaking stating forth the whole counsel. 

It would be helpful to address the scriptural view, grapple with it, try to understand it, respond -- rather than stating that it's a mystery that cannot be known. 

1 Corinthians 2:9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Ephesians 3:4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

I meet every "qualification" to reveal mysteries of the Word of God.  So, I'd really like to discuss the doctrine itself and the "big picture view" I am presenting -- rather than declarations that it's automatically "beyond me". 

My calling is to release the Whole Counsel of God to the body for unification.  I'd like to discuss the scripture.

It's quite simple.

God is Sovereign and His Sovereign plan is redemption through the cross.  He has a plan -- and the fact is -- the reprobate on the left of Jesus are the devil and his angels in human form appearing.

Substantive predestination is the topic presented.... not my qualifications to set it forth.  But, since my qualifications were challenged, I've addressed that point.  I'm an apostle, it's my calling, and I've spent the requisite time in study of the Word and can see this and am sharing.

I'd be glad to discuss 'the Scriptures'. Whatever your 'propers' are mean nothing to me. Any man can be in error. Remember the lying prophet? The day after he delivered an awesome word to Jeroboam, he was dead because of arrogance.  So lets drop the hyperbole and discuss :o)

There is no evidence in the scriptures, that I can see, presenting humans as incarnated angels and demons. I think that is confusion.

As to your apostleship, perhaps..... I have met many internet 'apostles of letters'. Every man has a testimony of himself. The Lord testifies to apostles with "all the signs and wonders of an apostle" and "weapons mighty through God for the pulling down of every stronghold and fortress that exalts itself against the true knowledge of God". As a wise master builder Paul demonstrated his apostleship in the churches he raised up and with the 'demonstration of the Spirit with power'. I believe in the five-fold ministry, but as far as apostles are concerned, the ones who have declared themselves to me thus far have been mostly a disappointment.

My experience in Christ thus far is this, "If the disciple be too much in his head, Christ is not enough, Head over said disciple".

[leelee]

Now, to comprehend the plan of redemption -- we must leave time and space not thinking as men from earth.  Rather, the view must be seen in the eternal view of God.  In pre-destination.  Substantive predestination is the key to unraveling the mystery.

[jabcat]

Hi Lee.  A few points;

here folks are encouraged to share "as I understand", "in my opinion", "I believe", etc. - not as "my view is the absolute truth" and/or "others are wrong".  I personally discourage an "absolute expert" presentation, as the scriptures say we see through a glass darkly, and I don't believe any of us have arrived at all truth or have all knowledge.  Also, one will likely meet resistance here presenting in that fashion.  We tend to value each others' opinions, but on the other hand, believe in each person's ability to read the scriptures for themselves and go to God directly to ask for understanding, revelation, and direction;
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/rules_and_faq/posting_as_i_understand_in_my_opinion.._8684.msg105066.html#msg105066

huge bodies of personal teaching are discouraged, as it's a discussion forum, not a personal blog; 

the free will/all sovereign topic is discouraged as an ongoing topic and is addressed here -  http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/rules_and_faq/free_willall_sovereign_and_trinity_discussions_8565.msg102846.html#msg102846               ;


Regarding your post specifically, I agree that the "God is not a respector of persons" point has to do with Peter's received revelation that the ecclesia/elect are made up of Jews and Gentiles, not just Jews as was previously assumed before his vision.  Connected to that, I also believe in predestination - that the ecclesia are called out now - at least in part, for the purpose of bringing the rest in at the consummation.  So I believe the ecclesia are pre-destined, the rest, destined - to be included when God is All in All.

If we're going to do this, let's make this a respectful, give and take discussion.

P.S.  It's usually helpful if folks will introduce themselves, and become part of the community.  The handle 'leelee' sounds familiar...

[leelee]

Systematic theology subverts the truth.... I AM the Way the Truth and the Life. The foundations must be inclusive of all the scriptures, not a select few- and where we see through a glass darkly because of conflicts within the word(conflicts in our understanding of the word)... we must humble ourselves and press further into the mystery. The Logos is complete. It is not completely understood. The whole counsel of God is not cut out of whole cloth. The way that predestination works according to the for-knowledge of God is definitely a mystery.

I was born again seeing Jesus face to face in the 3rd Heaven.  I have been reading the Bible for over 40 years.  Systematic theology is very simply "putting together the Big Picture".  Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.  This foundation is inclusive of all the scriptures.  You are stating the objection that I haven't studied the Word of God.  I have.  You are stating an objection that the view must be inclusive of all scripture.  It is.  Apostles reveal mysteries.  An apostle is speaking stating forth the whole counsel. 

It would be helpful to address the scriptural view, grapple with it, try to understand it, respond -- rather than stating that it's a mystery that cannot be known. 

1 Corinthians 2:9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Ephesians 3:4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

I meet every "qualification" to reveal mysteries of the Word of God.  So, I'd really like to discuss the doctrine itself and the "big picture view" I am presenting -- rather than declarations that it's automatically "beyond me". 

My calling is to release the Whole Counsel of God to the body for unification.  I'd like to discuss the scripture.

It's quite simple.

God is Sovereign and His Sovereign plan is redemption through the cross.  He has a plan -- and the fact is -- the reprobate on the left of Jesus are the devil and his angels in human form appearing.

Substantive predestination is the topic presented.... not my qualifications to set it forth.  But, since my qualifications were challenged, I've addressed that point.  I'm an apostle, it's my calling, and I've spent the requisite time in study of the Word and can see this and am sharing.

I'd be glad to discuss 'the Scriptures'. Whatever your 'propers' are mean nothing to me. Any man can be in error. Remember the lying prophet? The day after he delivered an awesome word to Jeroboam, he was dead because of arrogance.  So lets drop the hyperbole and discuss :o)

There is no evidence in the scriptures, that I can see, presenting humans as incarnated angels and demons. I think that is confusion.

As to your apostleship, perhaps..... I have met many internet 'apostles of letters'. Every man has a testimony of himself. The Lord testifies to apostles with "all the signs and wonders of an apostle" and "weapons mighty through God for the pulling down of every stronghold and fortress that exalts itself against the true knowledge of God". As a wise master builder Paul demonstrated his apostleship in the churches he raised up and with the 'demonstration of the Spirit with power'. I believe in the five-fold ministry, but as far as apostles are concerned, the ones who have declared themselves to me thus far have been mostly a disappointment.

My experience in Christ thus far is this, "If the disciple be too much in his head, Christ is not enough, Head over said disciple".

One would suppose, that as I move to reveal the Whole Counsel of God -- that Satan would tempt persons to get into "spitting matches" with me.  Such is the nature of the accuser of the brethren -- and this doctrine is the doctrine that will produce unification of the body of Christ through revelation of Jesus.  Revelation of Jesus is revelation of the Whole Counsel of God.  Until we see the Whole Counsel of God -- as stated, we speak through the glass darkly.

Paul, likewise, was often accused falsely.  Now, have I asked you for any money?? Have I done anything but set forth a scriptural case??  No, I simply stated a scriptural case.  My "qualifications" to do so were challenged.  I answered with my office and commission direct from the Lord Jesus Christ -- and directed back to the scriptural case.

And, again, a challenge is presented that is basically a struggle for pre-eminence.  I would suggest we resist Satan and focus on the Word of God.  I've stated my qualifications -- and am directing back to the Word of God.

Rest assured, Satan is raging that this truth is being discussed.  It's the power to release unification of the church in revelation of Jesus Christ via revelation of the Whole Counsel of God.  Jesus is the Grace of God appearing.... and the Savior of all men.

And, I am telling you, that the men who appear on His left on Judgment Day -- are the devil and his angels.

I would like to now set aside all of this wrangling over my "qualifications" and assaults on my character for my spiritual testimony, and return to the Word of God asking for focus on the Word of God and resistance against attacks... on the messenger.

[leelee]

Hi Lee.  A few points;

here folks are encouraged to share "as I understand", "in my opinion", "I believe", etc. - not as "my view is the absolute truth" and/or "others are wrong".  I personally discourage an "absolute expert" presentation, as the scriptures say we see through a glass darkly, and I don't believe any of us have arrived at all truth or have all knowledge.  Also, one will likely meet resistance here presenting in that fashion.  We tend to value each others' opinions, but on the other hand, believe in each person's ability to read the scriptures for themselves and go to God directly to ask for understanding and revelation;
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/rules_and_faq/posting_as_i_understand_in_my_opinion.._8684.msg105066.html#msg105066

huge bodies of personal teaching are discouraged, as it's a discussion forum, not a personal blog; 

the free will/all sovereign topic is discouraged as an ongoing topic and is addressed here -  http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/rules_and_faq/free_willall_sovereign_and_trinity_discussions_8565.msg102846.html#msg102846               ;


Regarding your post specifically, I agree that the "God is not a respector of persons" point has to do with Peter's received revelation that the ecclesia/elect are made up of Jews and Gentiles, not just Jews as was previously assumed before his vision.  Connected to that, I also believe in predestination - that the ecclesia are called out now - at least in part, for the purpose of bringing the rest in at the consummation.  So I believe the ecclesia are pre-destined, the rest, destined - to be included when God is All in All.

If we're going to do this, let's make this a respectful, give and take discussion.

P.S.  It's usually helpful if folks will introduce themselves, and become part of the community.  The handle 'leelee' sounds familiar...

The focus on the Word of God is what I am calling to.  I have a case to present.  I would like discussion of the topic.  As a moderator, perhaps it would be helpful to call to focus on the Word of God.  My presenting the Word of God does not preclude others from knowing the Word of God themselves.  This is a discussion board of Apologetics. 

If it was a social discussion board -- I'd be having social discussion.  I'm setting forth a scriptural case -- and stated my qualifications upon challenge.  But, there seems to be a focus on that rather than the Word for which I am not responsible. 

[jabcat]

First of all, I'd discourage you from telling us how to moderate.  Secondly, I'd ENCOURAGE very strongly to take to heart what I've posted, or this will have a very short run on the boards.

[leelee]

*I'm not really interested in joining a topic on "free will" vs. "predestination".  I'm not discussing "predestination".

I raised a topic of "substantive predestination".  So far the responses to a scriptural discussion are attacks on my character -- or my ability to address such a topic.  I sincerely doubt I will be here very long.

I think I would have stopped commenting -- making further points -- had there been sufficient grace of persons to stick to the subject at hand.  If people don't want to discuss the Word of God -- well, I want to discuss the Word with people who are interested in Apologetics... and persons who would respond to a scriptural case -- rather than engaging in "something else".

God bless.

[leelee]

First of all, I'd discourage you from telling us how to moderate.  Secondly, I'd ENCOURAGE very strongly to take to heart what I've posted, or this will have a very short run on the boards.

I am going to tell you something.  When you walk into a church, they are often more interested in their "community" than they are about truth.  It's not about Jesus.  It's about flesh and egos and a social club.

Jesus and I... are leaving.

[jabcat]

Goodbye.

[jabcat]

Lee won't be posting anymore...respond to his posts if you wish, but he won't see them.  FYI.   :sigh:

[sheila]

SOS   You who dwell in the gardens with freinds in attendance,let me hear your voice.

   the garden,paradise of God is the third heaven...and you must always stay,press in,to Christ for the  guidance you need..

   Rebecca alluded to spirits/snakes in the garden,as in Adam and Eve's expierence.  The Gregori are not bound until the 5th heaven...and you must be accompanied by the spirit

   of the Lord to safely transit powers and principalities in high places and safely grow into the fullness.

   a spirit hath not flesh and blood/so God did not 'prepare' a body for them,as He did for us in Christ.  what has happened is they 'coveted' dominion

  of this earth/throne/footstool of God[I will walk in them][by they I mean evil contrast spirit,satan,dev8il,demons. after coveting they led away and basically hi-jacked

  man's body,through his lack of knowledge and weaknes and failing to adhere to God's instructionss/knowing it would lead to death of man's body.

    after acessing man they then brought forth fruit after their own kind/murderer,liar...and thus 'the man of sin' the reprobate, the carnal animal base nature of man

  is evidenced as fruit...the man doomed to destruction[death]

    Now, I truly beleive God can show us things and we fail to understand what He is telling us.example...when Peter made the suggestion that three temples be erected

   we all have to agree that a lot of these spiritual things are way over our head[if it not be Jesus Christ/Holy spirit leading]   when the spirit shows us something,

   it is better to wait,and not fill in with our own reasoning what it meant.   the spirit of Christ will declare to you what these things mean and where they fit

  in into the Divine order of the Kingdom of Heaven.

   there are orders in the Kingdom of Heaven,and each man is placed in his own order by the Father Himself

[Beloved Servant]

I guess He was born one of the devils,
                                                      tsk, tsk, tsk, 
                                                                       that God did not love him more and make him an angel instead.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: When God lowered Himself into His creation, He fragmented Himself (the measure of faith He gives every man), thus the command to eat of ALL THE TREES in the garden, EXCEPT the one (carnal beastly mind).

We should not be offended by anything that comes thru anyone, but rather listening for the Spirit to translate the fragment that they possess, out of the kingdom of darkness (carnal mind) and into the kingdom of light (mind of Christ), else we are in the snare of respect of persons, ie. giving place to the flesh and not the Spirit, just as Eve did.

This is why after He fed them the fishes and loaves, the disciples took up (RAISED UP) 12 (the whole of the shewbread that is Christ in man) baskets (feast of Tabernacles) of FRAGMENTS.

Sometimes it's harder to hear thru some more than others, because the "package" gets in the way more, but rest assured that when John said he heard things IN THE 7TH DAY, that were not lawful for men to speak (but the Spirit can speak them), he meant it. My  :2c: Blessings...

[sheila]

Amen!

[Beloved Servant]

And The Parable of the Mustard Seed is immediately followed by the Parable of the Leaven!

[sheila]

Exactly! Beloved.

   when Father gives us a talent ...we must be careful not to bury it in the earth[carnal flesh hide the light of it]  for doing that does not build up

  the interest of the kingdom[that all share and be edified/raised up]

    God knows what lies in the darkness...and everything hidden will be revealed....for in Christ are all the treasures/riches of the Kingdom

    Father said to Cyrus....I will give you all the treasures hidden in the darkness  Christ is the Greater Cyrus

[Beloved Servant]

The destroyer of Babylon.

[sheila]

Amen....