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Apologetics - Universal Reconciliation => Word Studies => Topic started by: WhiteWings on July 08, 2011, 09:01:31 AM

Title: What exactly is Koine Greek?
Post by: WhiteWings on July 08, 2011, 09:01:31 AM
It's often said the NT is written in a Greek dialect called Koine Greek.
I'm starting to wonder if Koine Hebrew isn't a equally correct term...

For me it's sure the NT was largely written in Hebrew (many say Armiac but that I'm doubting that too)
Many church fathers give hints about the language the NT was written in. They quite often mention the first 4 books and almost always Matthew.
"...he wrote in their tongue",  "... in their language", "In the Hebrew letter", etc.

What makes a language? We can discus that in great depth but I think for this topic I can mention a few common points all can agree on.
1] Words. Obviously every language has words written in a certain way with a certain meaning.
2] Grammar. Basically that are the rules that determine word order (among other things)
3] Cultural bagage. Sayings require a deeper understanding of the language than a simple translation of words. Saying (sometimes) are little parables.

So what exactly makes a language a language or a dialect?Just the words?

If we take the NT we see:
1] Words -> Greek
2] Grammar -> Hebrew
3] Cultural bagage -> Hebrew

According to some scholars Koine Greek is missing about everything normal Greek has.
It's nothing more than a 1 on 1 translation of Hebrew to Greek words.
The NT Greek is missing 'flow' within chapters, paragraphs and often within a single verse.
But when doing a one on one Greek to Hebrew translation suddenly we have a text with correct grammar and a good flow.

So my thought is this:
For a good NT translation we need a simple program that does a one on one translation from untouched Greek to Hebrew.
Then let a Hebrew scholar translate that to English.

Scholars love to go to war with their exegesis weapons.
I think that's often a waste of time because it makes no sense to build a scholarly work on a translation of a first grader....
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Title: Re: What exactly is Koine Greek?
Post by: sheila on July 08, 2011, 06:41:55 PM

...He purposely confounded their language to keep them from building a tower unto the Heavens. through KNOWLEDGE THAT PUFF'S UP

  that is why 7 seals are opened by Christ. Take a c[k]oin..whose image is on it...the Greeks seek after wisdom...but Wisdom is a tree of Life

  to those who embrace her. Wisdom is knowledge expressed through/with love.

   take a [k]coin...glance at it's opposing sides...evil condemned eternally forever..the other side..good..mercy and restoration..salvation

  of all...Is the c[k]oin PURE GOLD...is there slag/dross in it's makeup.  And then the people's language will be pure. this flipflopping trying to get life out of

  knowledge of good and evil/mix..is like flipping a coin/condemnation eternally/or mercy eternally. Spirit of Christ opens the seal..and leads unto the tree of life

  where there is NO condemnation[no law/grace fluctuation..as to who why when where what,how divisons] wrestling that two=sided coin..damnation/salvation

  Jacob wrestled that angel[messenger] all night...and refused to let himgo..until he blessed him/though his thigh was 'put out of joint' 

  he saw a stairway/ladder unto heaven and the angels of God ascending and descending[Christ/heaven opene/seals opened]

  Now struggling with the messenger will make your thigh out of joint/just as limping along on two opinions make you unstablePsalms 48;8 and 87;5

  As we have heard,so have we seen,in the city of the Lord Almighty,in the city of our God.GOD MAKES HER SECURE FOREVER

  Indeed of Zion it will be said,'THIS ONE AND THAT ONE WERE BORN IN HER,AND THE MOST HIGH HIMSELF,will establish her. The Lord will write

  in the register of the peoples..THIS ONE WAS BORN IN ZION.   He has sat His foundation on the Holy Mountain, the Lord LOVES the gates of Zion

more than all the dwellings of Jacob.  Glorious things are said of you O'CITY OF GOD