Vivified in Christ (Help with a Word)

[Tim B]

1 Cor. 15:22

22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.

This is from the Concordant Literal Version of the New Testament. Does anybody have any information on what exactly the original Greek word for "vivified" means? I think I've heard it means more than simply to be "made alive," but rather has a stronger meaning.

BTW: where do some of you guys find the original Greek meaning behinds certain words? I mean, I can search the internet through Google or something, but it's hard to find a site worth trusting.

[Seth]

Go to http://www.e-sword.net and download the program, then download all the modules. If the program is not working for you, you can use the online version: http://live.e-sword.net/app/

zōopoieō is the word used: G2227 — Strong meaning to vitalize or make alive. I think the reason the Concordant version uses "vivify" is due to the fact that the word for "resurrection" (anastasis) is decidedly NOT used in that scripture. ETers will often go that route, that it means to resurrect, but if that were so, using a "sound pattern of words" Paul would have said so.

So the Concordant folks use the word to distinguish from physical resurrection, being that zōopoieō is applied to those who were once dead IN Adam, and made alive IN Christ. Being IN CHRIST is the revealing reason why the Apostle did not use the word anastasis/resurrection. There is a much greater life than that to be found in Christ.

Zōopoieō is rooted in to the primative word "zaō" which "zōē" comes. It all means "life" and the NT writers used "life" (aionios zoe) to describe a life in Christ which transcended the concept of earthly physical consciousness. It's a spiritual life. The connotation in the word "vivify" is that Christ will go beyond earthly matters of physical resurrection (as ETers assume it to be) and is really saying that all who were dead in Adam will find spiritual life in Christ. The following verses confirm that as Christ subjects all enemies to the kingdom, gives it to God to be all in all. When God is IN someone, that is what gives them life.

[Tim B]

So the word zōopoieō would then suggest that all of mankind will be made spiritually alive (as opposed to simply resurrected)? That's what I seem to understand from you're post.

Oh, and can modules be used on the online e-Sword App.? Because I have a Mac and there's not a downloadable e-Sword version for the Mac OS.  :sigh:

[WhiteWings]

Tim,

What about a PC emulator?
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=13804

[Molly]

"be made alive'

G2227
ζωοποιέω
zōopoieō
dzo-op-oy-eh'-o
From the same as G2226 and G4160; to (re-) vitalize (literally or figuratively): - make alive, give life, quicken.


Unless we are quickened, we are the walking dead, asleep on our feet.



Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

[chuckt]

zōopoieō
Pronunciation

zō-o-poi-e'-ō (Key)

Part of Speech
verb

Root Word (Etymology)

from the same as G2226 and G4160

TDNT Reference
2:874,290
Vines
View Entry


Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

b) to restore to life

c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life

3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

[WhiteWings]

This is from the Concordant Literal Version of the New Testament. Does anybody have any information on what exactly the original Greek word for "vivified" means? I think I've heard it means more than simply to be "made alive," but rather has a stronger meaning.

Having to dig up the article.
When made alive you can die again. Like Lazarus.
When vivified you are imortal.

[Seth]

ETers also believe that unbelievers are immortal. They just believe they are immortal in hell (which is what they call "spiritual death"). However Paul sidesteps reference to immortality, or incorruption, or resurrection and uses zōopoieō. This is a clear connection to "aionios zoe" which is the life of Christ within us. The NT writers often used the word "life" in connection with the life of Christ within us, rather than literal immortality/consciousness.

I think the use of zōopoieō in connection with the phrase "IN Christ" reveals more than just immortality or resurrection, but life in Christ, by which sin is made dead.

[Molly]

This is from the Concordant Literal Version of the New Testament. Does anybody have any information on what exactly the original Greek word for "vivified" means? I think I've heard it means more than simply to be "made alive," but rather has a stronger meaning.

Having to dig up the article.
When made alive you can die again. Like Lazarus.
When vivified you are imortal.

That is so cool, ww.  There is an immortal component to it, yes. 



John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

[chuckt]

ETers also believe that unbelievers are immortal. They just believe they are immortal in hell (which is what they call "spiritual death"). However Paul sidesteps reference to immortality, or incorruption, or resurrection and uses zōopoieō. This is a clear connection to "aionios zoe" which is the life of Christ within us. The NT writers often used the word "life" in connection with the life of Christ within us, rather than literal immortality/consciousness.

I think the use of zōopoieō in connection with the phrase "IN Christ" reveals more than just immortality or resurrection, but life in Christ, by which sin is made dead.

BAM.

can or will we be immortal apart from God?  how are those with immortality being tormented kept immortal apart from God.

yet the church players spin it and say death is seperation FROM God.

on and on the sand castles crumble.

people will even say we are kept immortal by continually eating from the tree of life, well just how the heck do they think the ones burning for all eternity ""keep"" imortality ? their very words give more power to those in ""hell"".......argh.

peace
chuckt

[Tim B]

Tim,

What about a PC emulator?
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=13804

This sounds interesting. Right now it says it can only open a few Windows programs, but I wonder if e-Sword is one of'em. lol Thanks for the link! ^_^

[Tim B]

Wow, I looked up "zoopoieo" on Google and I found this website: http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/vines/get_defn.pl?num=2280

1.     Quicken

zoopoieo "to make alive:" see zoopoieo_under_LIFE.
See also : zoopoieo in other topics
2.     Quicken

zoogoneo "to endue with life, produce alive, preserve alive:" see zoogoneo_under_LIVE.
See also : zoogoneo in other topics
3.     Quicken

suzoopoieo or sunzoopoieo "to quicken together with, make alive with" (sun, "with" and zoopoieo), is used in Eph_2:5; Col_2:13, of the spiritual life with Christ, imparted to believers at their conversion.

Ephesians 5

5   even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Colossians 2

13   And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

So, it seems that "zoopoieo" has a very strong sense of life in Christ attached to it, rather than simply resurrection.  :bigGrin:

Thanks for all the help guys!  :thumbsup:

[Molly]

So, it seems that "zoopoieo" has a very strong sense of life in Christ attached to it, rather than simply resurrection. 

Yes, although one could argue whether this is the first resurrection, the resurrection while still in the body (Paul and the apostles) as we are doing in another thread.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

[WhiteWings]

Tim,

What about a PC emulator?
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=13804

This sounds interesting. Right now it says it can only open a few Windows programs, but I wonder if e-Sword is one of'em. lol Thanks for the link! ^_^

http://www.winehq.org/

I often read Linux users promoting that one. Quality seems to be very good. Guess Mac version is equally good.
I'm 99% sure eSword will run on it. It has no copy protection. No fancy screen access. Whole Office runs under Wine on Linux


http://www.parallels.com/eu/products/desktop?gclid=CNu2quG2t5sCFYuB3god1WlCAg
http://www.iemulator.com/getiemulator.php
http://www.macwindows.com/pcemul.html

[WhiteWings]

Found an article of Ray L. Smith on my PC. (will post more as I find it)

"And I saw thrones ... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" (Rev. 20:4).
Would anyone suggest that at the end of the thousand years the subjects of this prophecy all died?
"Immortality" likewise does not mean by definition, "eternity." The Greek word is athanasa and means UN-DEATH(or deathlessness). Of course, contrary to popular Christian teaching,
"He is King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality ... " (I Tim. 6:16).
We must be given immortality (I Cor. 15:53-54). Believers are promised "eonian life" so they are given "immortality," which sees them through and beyond eonian life. Unbelievers are NOT given "eonian life" or "immortality" at the same time we are given it. Hence they can die in the second death.
However, after the eons end, they too, (all unsaved from Adam on) are "vivified" [Greek: zoopoieo]
(LIVE-DO)--given life beyond the reach of death. This confers immortality (Jn 5:21-22, Rom. 4:17, I Tim. 6:13). Read I Cor. 15:22-28.
"For even as in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all (this is the same "all" used both times) be vivified." There is a "class" or "order" to the vivification of all. First Christ, Second those who are Christ's in His presence,
Third the consummation. Christ reigns only until He nullifies all sovereignty and all authority and power, and has placed all enemies under His feet. The last enemy being abolished is death. Then Christ Himself gives up the kingdom to
His Father and becomes subject to His Father and God becomes " ... All in All."

[WhiteWings]

Resurrection Versus "Being Made Alive"
The Greek word translated destroy in the above scripture (1Cor. 15:26,27) is not "apollumi." The word used here is "katageo" and means to nullify, discard, exempt, abolish, to make unproductive. This "last enemy" of Christ will ultimately be "nullified, discarded, abolished, or destroyed." Therefore, this clearly teaches that death is the last enemy and that in the future "death" will be destroyed. Hence, there can be no "eternal death." To teach an "eternal death" is to contradict the scriptures.
How will death be destroyed? Paul give the answer in the context, "For as in Adam all die, even so, in Christ shall all be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22, KJV) Now I know that some say that Paul is teaching in this verse that all will be resurrected, but the word used by Paul is "zoopoiethesontai" and this is a future passive verb meaning to vivify, to make alive beyond the reach of death.The Greek word "anastasis" means resurrection and is used in verse 21. We know that Jesus resurrected several people as
recorded in the Gospels, but that does not mean they received unending life at that point. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 teaches that
there are three classes of orders that will be made alive. First, Christ, the first fruit. The word "first fruit" is singular in the Greek, not first fruits plural as in the King James Version. Second, they that are Christ's at His coming (Greek, parousia, appearing). This class includes all the Christians dead or alive. (See 1 Thess. 4:13-18) The third class is referred to as "then cometh the end." This includes the residue of all mankind who died in Adam. This is clearly taught in 1 Cor. 15:22-28. Therefore, these scriptures teach that all mankind who die in Adam will be made alive in Christ and I repeat, this is not resurrection. Unfortunately, many translations put a period between the second and third order of being made alive. The Greek does not have a period here. (1 Cor. 15:23,24) It is supplied by some translators.
The scriptures teach that all will be resurrected. (Study John 5:28,29) The dead in Christ when made alive will be resurrected as being "made alive" which includes resurrection but being "made alive" means more than resurrection. "Made alive" means make alive beyond death. May I remind you that not all Christians will be resurrected. Many Christians will be alive when Christ returns.
Therefore, living Christians will not be resurrected, but they will be made alive or vivified. Notice these scriptures: "Behold, I show
you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. For the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality." (1 Cor. 15:51-53) "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep,. That ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words." (1 Thess. 4:13-18, KJV; here is an example of a KJV word "prevent" which has completely lost its meaning. In the 1600's the word meant "precede," not "hinder.")
It is most important to remember vivification or being made alive cannot be limited to resurrection of the dead. Resurrection is limited to the dead. You cannot resurrect the living, yet the living in Christ will be "made alive" at Christ's coming (Gr. Parousia). I am speaking of the literal meaning of the resurrection.

[Seth]

That article helped me get off annihilationism.

Check this out annihilationism. "Nihil" is from the Latin: "nothing."
Nihilism: the rejection of all religious and moral principles often in the belief that life is meaningless.

LOL, I'd probably add that annihilationsm take the Gospel and makes it nihil.  :laughing7: