thanatos - 119 / hades - 11

[marie glen]

The Greek word "thanatos" (death) is used 119 times in the New Testament. And Hades is used 11 times.

Here are the verses - copy and pasted from - www.bibletools.org

Both words are used both literally and figuratively.

Thanatos (death) - used 119 times:
Matthew 4:16: "the region and shadow of death light is sprung up."
Matthew 10:21: "shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and"
Matthew 15:4: "or mother, let him die the death."
Matthew 16:28: "which shall not taste of death, till they see the"
Matthew 20:18: "and they shall condemn him to death,"
Matthew 26:38: "is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch"
Matthew 26:66: "answered and said, He is guilty of death."
Mark 7:10: "or mother, let him die the death:"
Mark 9:1: "which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the"
Mark 10:33: "and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the"
Mark 13:12: "shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and"
Mark 14:34: "is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch."
Mark 14:64: "him to be guilty of death."
Luke 1:79: "darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into"
Luke 2:26: "Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ."
Luke 9:27: "which shall not taste of death, till they see the"
Luke 22:33: "prison, and to death."
Luke 23:15: "lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him."
Luke 23:22: "I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise"
Luke 24:20: "him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him."
John 5:24: "but is passed from death unto life."
John 8:51: "saying, he shall never see death."
John 8:52: "saying, he shall never taste of death."
John 11:4: "is not unto death, but for the glory"
John 11:13: "spake of his death: but they thought that"
John 12:33: "he said, signifying what death he should die."
John 18:32: "he spake, signifying what death he should die."
John 21:19: "spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken"
Acts 2:24: "having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible"
Acts 13:28: "though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain."
Acts 22:4: "this way unto the death, binding and delivering into"
Acts 23:29: "nothing laid to his charge worthy of death or of bonds."
Acts 25:11: "have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but"
Acts 25:25: "had committed nothing worthy of death, and that he himself hath"
Acts 26:31: "man doeth nothing worthy of death or of bonds."
Acts 28:18: "because there was no cause of death in me."
Romans 1:32: "such things are worthy of death, not only do the same,"
Romans 5:10: "to God by the death of his Son, much more,"
Romans 5:12: "into the world, and death by sin; and"
Romans 5:12: "by sin; and so death passed upon all"
Romans 5:14: "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even"
Romans 5:17: "if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much"
Romans 5:21: "sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign"
Romans 6:3: "were baptized into his death?"
Romans 6:4: "by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up"
Romans 6:5: "in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
Romans 6:9: "the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him."
Romans 6:16: "whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
Romans 6:21: "for the end of those things is death."
Romans 6:23: "the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God"
Romans 7:5: "our members to bring forth fruit unto death."
Romans 7:10: "found to be unto death."
Romans 7:13: "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But"
Romans 7:13: "that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good;"
Romans 7:24: "the body of this death?"
Romans 8:2: "the law of sin and death."
Romans 8:6: "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life"
Romans 8:38: "I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels,"
1 Corinthians 3:22: "or life, or death, or things present, or things to come;"
1 Corinthians 11:26: "this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till"
1 Corinthians 15:21: "since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection"
1 Corinthians 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:54: "the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
1 Corinthians 15:55: " O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
1 Corinthians 15:56: "The sting of death is sin; and the strength"
2 Corinthians 1:9: "had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should"
2 Corinthians 1:10: "us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom"
2 Corinthians 2:16: "To the one we are the savor of death unto death; and to the other"
2 Corinthians 2:16: "To the one we are the savor of death unto death; and to the other the savor"
2 Corinthians 3:7: "if the ministration of death, written and engraven in"
2 Corinthians 4:11: "are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the"
2 Corinthians 4:12: "So then death worketh in us, but life"
2 Corinthians 7:10: "sorrow of the world worketh death."
2 Corinthians 11:23: "prisons more frequent, in deaths oft."
Philippians 1:20: "life, or by death."
Philippians 2:8: "and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Philippians 2:8: "unto death, even the death of the cross."
Philippians 2:27: "indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him;"
Philippians 2:30: "of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply"
Philippians 3:10: "sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;"
Colossians 1:22: "of his flesh through death, to present you holy and"
2 Timothy 1:10: "Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light"
Hebrews 2:9: "than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory"
Hebrews 2:9: "honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Hebrews 2:14: "same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power"
Hebrews 2:14: "him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
Hebrews 2:15: "them who through fear of death were all their lifetime"
Hebrews 5:7: "to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"
Hebrews 7:23: "priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:"
Hebrews 9:15: "the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption"
Hebrews 9:16: "a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."
Hebrews 11:5: "was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because"
James 1:15: "sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
James 5:20: "shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
1 John 3:14: "that we have passed from death unto life, because we love"
1 John 3:14: "his brother abideth in death."
1 John 5:16: "a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him"
1 John 5:16: "for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death:"
1 John 5:16: "There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray"
1 John 5:17: "a sin not unto death."
Revelation 1:18: "have the keys of hell and of death."
Revelation 2:10: "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown"
Revelation 2:11: "of the second death."
Revelation 2:23: "her children with death; and all the churches"
Revelation 6:8: "that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with"
Revelation 6:8: "hunger, and with death, and with the beasts"
Revelation 9:6: "days shall men seek death, and shall not find it;"
Revelation 9:6: "shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."
Revelation 12:11: "their lives unto the death."
Revelation 13:3: "as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound"
Revelation 13:3: "death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all"
Revelation 13:12: "the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
Revelation 18:8: "come in one day, death, and mourning, and"
Revelation 20:6: "such the second death hath no power, but"
Revelation 20:13: "which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the"
Revelation 20:14: "And death and hell were cast into the lake"
Revelation 20:14: "is the second death."
Revelation 21:4: "there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,"
Revelation 21:8: "brimstone: which is the second death."


Hades (place of the dead) - used 11 times:
Matthew 11:23: "heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works,"
Matthew 16:18: "my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Luke 10:15: "heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell."
Luke 16:23: "And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in"
Acts 2:27: "my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One"
Acts 2:31: "was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see"
1 Corinthians 15:55: "where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
Revelation 1:18: "Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Revelation 6:8: "him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And"
                       (4th horseman - "whose name is thanatos and hades" including the mass one "follows after him")
Revelation 20:13: "and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in"
Revelation 20:14: "And death and hell were cast into the lake"

"death and hell" - Revelation 20:13-14 ("thanatos and hades")
13 "and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death/thanatos."

[marie glen]

OLD TESTAMENT :

"maveth" - "death" is used 156 times:

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H4194/maveth.htm

and "sheol" is used 65 times:

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H7585/showl.htm

..I think the differences are obvious

[rosered]

 
  Thanks sis Marie for sharing that deeper study!!   oh,  death where is your sting ???  always harming   the innocent   for the guilty     :HeartThrob:
Love that   you brought all these out ...

  :dsunny:

I do believe there are the two wisdoms    one is of the world and still in darkness and  does not KNOW GOD at all

  His wisdom is above and   Full    light and life ..

I do believe learning   between the    two   types   of wisdom and having some faith    than GOD helps us to see Clearly   by more  truth and grace added ,  these are blessings and rewards for being    honest and   trusting Him 

I never like to discuss , any dreams and visions   , in general with folks ,    and have my  reasons  as not to stumble  , plant seeds of doubt in the   weak in faith   or the   casting of     holy things before the   carnal , dog and hog types  minded
  But    love this place where  most spiritually mature   folks come and   share what is in their hearts   without being "pegged "  a nut job and liar     and deceived

Most all know the Love of God  and new Life in that  peace  here and that is to me the most glorious state    in the earthly realm you can experience while on this side   of the river .


I remember years ago , receiving a  vision in the night and it was dark in that place all around me    except what I was looking into  ,
I was in a state of outside looking into     at that time       and saw  a  great     magnificent    cylinder    , tunnel  of fire   going  down all  around    the waist of   I believed to be the LORD JESUS CHRIST / OR WORD OF GOD     IT was whirling and  powerful    almost described as the PILLAR OF FIRE with the Children of Israel by night
  Except    upwardly       there was a  absolute magnificent  brilliant light         above  the waist  and it  bothered me because I could NOT  understand the meaning of it ..

I have always considered these things very  personal and not to be shared with just anyone  , especially if you do not have a clue to what is going on yourself

  and so many  come  up   FAKE and   seeking some kind of glory for them , thinking they are special   or something and "God knows ", they are not .

A lot of those  dante's fire     stuff was seeking some kind of   fame in the carnal wisdom of  interpreting them  " things of God "   and  put up all kinds of stumbling blocks    of torment   and pain and  misrepresenting GOD s  true nature    ,,,,
Being liars  and such    adding more fear  to the masses and fueling the  fire   for many centuries  , if you even believed in it in the slightest .

We all start out   born here  in complete darkness   , not knowing God at all    , the dead know nothing       , they  start out blind and  deaf and  hard   hearted   [carnal  in nature and  nurtured] from birth , we see this in creation    , and not to worship creation but the Creator   of all  things .
If we really  sat down and thought about it , we know    it is God whom has given us by the Holy Spirit anything we have  at all ! , even that breath in us is from God Himself  . 

I do believe we have to be awakened    by the Light  shining in a dark place  [born again] , some would even speak as this place being the  grave   and the  outer darkness   , thick with gloom and doom      and a  lot  of this has to do with our reasoning  skills and  understanding  what the SPIRIT of truth is and means

It is LIFE in and of itself      contained   in and by and though" all things ".

  If you ever done a study on "all things "    it sure helps   and  we must learn to take it very personally     and honestly  and truly      , not rejecting the things of God and calling them evil , but wait on the Lord  to reveal them   by His light .

One thing most do and was guilty of  for many years was reject any   thing that did not make any sense to me and " kept " what I thought was   HOLY 

and  judged everything else as   "of the devil"        :sigh:     and remained "stuck "   in my own little   Babylonian    cage  , a spiritual prison  and would not  get out til I had paid the last penny    , a days wage      ... bearing the "heat of the day"

There is so much more ,about life and death we get to experience  in the here and now ,   

but we wait on the Lord till the Christ be formed in you   ,   in all of us   fully

  Gal 4 18 But it is good always to be eagerly sought in a commendable manner,

and not only when I am present with you.

19My children, with whom I am again in labor[  pains of childbirth ] until Christ is formed in you--

20but I could wish to be present with you now and to change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.

   Being found in a good place   and not a bad one  has lots to do with our attitude   in how we handle the Word of life    and how we treat one another   

  Love is a   powerful thing  and ultimately   death cannot destroy it    . so we put every bit of   our  faith and hope in  the LOVE OF GOD   for all mankind ,  not just our own selves   in this time/age  and place / earth as it is in heaven ...

I believe the   thing I saw was  the LORD touching the earth and being   heaven as well  [Lord of the dead and the Living ] that flaming SWORD     and as we rise up  from the earth  though the flames  of fire   we can see the LIGHT AND  SHINE     forth as new creatures in Christ  , called the holy  things    that was formed by Gods   work and desire

Gen 3 ...23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.


24So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword [/b]which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

Hebrews 1:7
In speaking of the angels he says, "He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire."

   Hebrews  9

The Earthly Tabernacle
...4having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold,

in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron's rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;


5and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat; but of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

6Now when these things have been so prepared, the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing the divine worship,...

God helps us to understand what the Spirit is saying    , by giving us ear to hear   and  eyes to see and heart to understand  by placing all this within our hearts   to be   discovered and   worked out    within us , as we grow in truth and grace   and by being healed    and made new   for His holy presence .

[marie glen]

    :thumbsup: :banana:

   :Chinscratch: hmmm, all the studies we've done and all the discussion we've done about "fire" but I never thought about how "His messengers are flames of fire"!  !What is it, that both sets us free and convinces and convicts us concerning sin? Truth.. Which of course is what a "messenger" carries. Truth purifies.. And even burns away the dross.. Truth will consume every untruth. ..His "eyes which are a flame of fire" (Is that a verse, or did I just imagine that one? eyes which penetrate..)

Amen, Rose.. the flame of fire which leads us.. it led the children of Israel through the wilderness / desert.. "a column of smoke by day and flame of fire by night.."

Truth is a beacon, like a lighthouse, showing us the way - and the way to avoid! Lest we crash on the rocky shores.. How blessed we are to be led by the truth, the logos, the true knowledge which sets free.. led by the truth, logos, the Word, the true knowledge, now, during this (brief) lifetime..

I've recently become convinced that from the very beginning, instead of following (humbly) that light and that flame which is truth light, love.. there was the "I will" the first rebel said "ascend to the heights" -- No thank you God, he thought, he could do it all on his own.. Life apart from God. He, would "be like the most high".. this I believe has even gotten mixed into the faith.. Instead of being in spirit like little children.. No wisdom, no power comes from us.. anything we receive, as you said, Rose, is from him.. is Him..

He is the light. No one, absolutely no one, comes to the Father but through Him.. "This is the decree.." (of life?) (ps 2)
   :girlheart:

[darryl]

    :thumbsup: :banana:

   :Chinscratch: hmmm, all the studies we've done and all the discussion we've done about "fire" but I never thought about how "His messengers are flames of fire"!  !What is it, that both sets us free and convinces and convicts us concerning sin? Truth.. Which of course is what a "messenger" carries. Truth purifies.. And even burns away the dross.. Truth will consume every untruth. ..His "eyes which are a flame of fire" (Is that a verse, or did I just imagine that one? eyes which penetrate..)

Amen, Rose.. the flame of fire which leads us.. it led the children of Israel through the wilderness / desert.. "a column of smoke by day and flame of fire by night.."

Truth is a beacon, like a lighthouse, showing us the way - and the way to avoid! Lest we crash on the rocky shores.. How blessed we are to be led by the truth, the logos, the true knowledge which sets free.. led by the truth, logos, the Word, the true knowledge, now, during this (brief) lifetime..

I've recently become convinced that from the very beginning, instead of following (humbly) that light and that flame which is truth light, love.. there was the "I will" the first rebel said "ascend to the heights" -- No thank you God, he thought, he could do it all on his own.. Life apart from God. He, would "be like the most high".. this I believe has even gotten mixed into the faith.. Instead of being in spirit like little children.. No wisdom, no power comes from us.. anything we receive, as you said, Rose, is from him.. is Him..

He is the light. No one, absolutely no one, comes to the Father but through Him.. "This is the decree.." (of life?) (ps 2)
   :girlheart:

:thumbsup: :iagree: :banana: :banana: :gimmefive: :dsunny:

[rosered]

    :thumbsup: :banana:

   :Chinscratch: hmmm, all the studies we've done and all the discussion we've done about "fire" but I never thought about how "His messengers are flames of fire"!  !What is it, that both sets us free and convinces and convicts us concerning sin? Truth.. Which of course is what a "messenger" carries. Truth purifies.. And even burns away the dross.. Truth will consume every untruth. ..His "eyes which are a flame of fire" (Is that a verse, or did I just imagine that one? eyes which penetrate..)

Amen, Rose.. the flame of fire which leads us.. it led the children of Israel through the wilderness / desert.. "a column of smoke by day and flame of fire by night.."

Truth is a beacon, like a lighthouse, showing us the way - and the way to avoid! Lest we crash on the rocky shores.. How blessed we are to be led by the truth, the logos, the true knowledge which sets free.. led by the truth, logos, the Word, the true knowledge, now, during this (brief) lifetime..

I've recently become convinced that from the very beginning, instead of following (humbly) that light and that flame which is truth light, love.. there was the "I will" the first rebel said "ascend to the heights" -- No thank you God, he thought, he could do it all on his own.. Life apart from God. He, would "be like the most high".. this I believe has even gotten mixed into the faith.. Instead of being in spirit like little children.. No wisdom, no power comes from us.. anything we receive, as you said, Rose, is from him.. is Him..

He is the light. No one, absolutely no one, comes to the Father but through Him.. "This is the decree.." (of life?) (ps 2)
   :girlheart:

:thumbsup: :iagree: :banana: :banana: :gimmefive: :dsunny:

:HeartThrob:  Amen sista !!!    :dsunny:  and  bro Daryl   :banana:   Glorrrrry    to God

[marie glen]

 :eek: I didn't intend this post to be as long as it is.. just wanted to post the one line.. (been researching and prayerfully studying)

1 Timothy 3:6
..not a novice, lest being puffed up, into the crime he may fall of the devil; (into the devil's crime he may fall)
--- from the interlinear Greek Version - http://studybible.info/IGNT/1%20Timothy%203:6

I know not all believe these following verses from Isaiah chapter 14 refer to "that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan" (quote is from Revelation 12:9 [YL]- and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.)

..but I've been trying to trace the adversary's false religion, getting the sense in my spirit that it is a thought out, cohesive whole which has manifested throughout the world and centuries.

Equipped with thinking ability (angel and man) it was only a matter of time before it became realized that with rationality comes the ability to make choices. What a Pandora's box!! ..but of course, not too difficult for our all wise, all knowing, heavenly Father :smile:

Yahweh, of course, is perfect. And isn't he also life itself? The spark of life (the force be with us! :laughing7: ) But in all seriousness.. what else would the spark we call "life" be? Surely not simply chemicals, as some believe, or synapses of chemicals in the brain.. But is "the light which lights eveRy person which comes into the world".. So if He is perfection and life, then as soon as someone chooses anything in thought, word, or deed (in any tiny way) which differs with what He chooses, they become imperfect. (The opposite of life.)

What's a supreme creator to do? we may ask ourselves.. (or more ideally ask Him :laughing7: )

We (surely?) can't help but note that when God (through and with Jesus) created the universe and man and woman, the first bound to occur rebel thought had not only occurred, but had matured into outright rebellion and sedition (and trickery!) when the adversary, via the serpent, went down to the garden and conversed with Eve.

We know it was the adversary because of the promise and prophecy of Yahweh concerning the "seed of the woman, and the seed of the 'serpent' who would be bruised on his head".. I don't think the literal "serpent" creature, is that deeply involved in world affairs..

Recognizing that the adversary has thought processes.. his "I will" surely took time to develop and came about through reasoning.. So from his "I will" to Cain's offering, to Babel Tower, and its ascending levels belief spreading out from the tower after the separating of the languages.. with the myths of it taking shape in the different languages and handed down.. to the gnostic 'christians' we read about from Paul, Peter and John's day, to today's new age, etc.. right up to the et phenomenon - not ed here :laughing7: tho they are rather alien :laughing7: but the whole x-files, stargate type theory which is also taught by satanists.. how the adversary was the savior.. brought enlightenment ("angel/messenger of light") - they teach the legend that our "origin" is that we were seeded from elsewhere.. first their was the dragon 'gods' whose benevolence went next to the lesser serpent 'gods', who seeded the earth.. but the mean usurper God (YHWH! :faint: ) intervened and whatnot with Adam and Eve (as a class so they say) so Lucifer/Satan from the wise and wonderful serpent 'gods' came and enlightened Eve.. and the rest is history..

For example, Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard with Aleister Crowley (do you know who he is? high satanist from some years ago) did some rituals to bring other dimensional entities through portals to the earth.. (dark entities! fallen rebel angels, ..I think we have plenty active on the planet already thank you very much). They claimed they brought through an entity called "Lam" (typo "LaM"). Picture a grey version of our ever popular big eyed, big headed, green extra-terrestrial image of today.. And funny how man's adult fairy tale of 'evolution' in some quarters is beginning to "look to the stars" as to our "origins"... "Nothing new under the sun". ..."A strong delusion". The "I will be like the Most High" ..a 'god' with a planet of worshipers.. Earthly life is carbon based. The atomic number of carbon is 6, meaning it has 6 neutrons, 6 protons, and 6 electrons. New age/esoteric groups have been saying humanity, which is carbon based, is going to change. Something to do with "from 666 to 616", an evolutionary change in consciousness. (And I'm thinking a revolutionary technology? A desolating apparatus? ...and how in veRy late days many will "wish to die but cannot" - wishing to leave 'evil' matter and flesh - as the faith goes, insulting Yahweh's glorious and awesome creation! A last days idea of "ascension"? Our esteemed "thanatos". And there it is - death - the enlightenment from the adversary, that olde serpent.. [But! "God is the savior of all.."!! as we know - 1 Tim 4:10]

...not a novice, lest being puffed up, into the crime he may fall of the devil - 1 Tim 3:6.

THE CRIME of the devil :
Isaiah 14:14
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
13 And thou saidst in thy heart: the heavens I go up, Above stars of God I raise my throne, And I sit in the mount of meeting in the sides of the north.

Thanks for putting up with my ramblings as I organized my thoughts.. thanks! :gsmile:

[rosered]

:eek: I didn't intend this post to be as long as it is.. just wanted to post the one line.. (been researching and prayerfully studying)

1 Timothy 3:6
..not a novice, lest being puffed up, into the crime he may fall of the devil; (into the devil's crime he may fall)
--- from the interlinear Greek Version - http://studybible.info/IGNT/1%20Timothy%203:6

I know not all believe these following verses from Isaiah chapter 14 refer to "that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan" (quote is from Revelation 12:9 [YL]- and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.)

..but I've been trying to trace the adversary's false religion, getting the sense in my spirit that it is a thought out, cohesive whole which has manifested throughout the world and centuries.

Equipped with thinking ability (angel and man) it was only a matter of time before it became realized that with rationality comes the ability to make choices. What a Pandora's box!! ..but of course, not too difficult for our all wise, all knowing, heavenly Father :smile:

  Two different  scriptures come to mind when reading this  sis Marie   , about being a novice  , newly planted [ knowing good and evil  tree of knowledge ] ?   

one being the knowledge of   the law of sin and the other good   that is where we  follow Jesus Christ  to the tree of Life  and grace of God  perhaps

  every plant my father has not planted will be uprooted  Matt 15 What Defiles a Man
...12Then the disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?"

13But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted.


14"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."...

  Also   making one newbie  or  , novice or proselyte   two fold the child of hell /gehenna/ fire 

  For me this all has to do with   being  false judges  and  an accuser of the brethren     day and night   as satan does in Rev 12  cast down into   earthly and sensual and devilish     wisdom    being   unholy or impure   thoughts     hate , not love    despising one another , not  gathering  in the Spirit of Life  but scattering of  the flesh   /dust as   the serpents food ,,   by a spirit    in them of the world making them gods and idols of the heart worshipping one another and  NOT THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD though Jesus Christ the Light of the world  and knowledge of God ,   that gave them life in the first place     this of pride of life  is of the world and serpents curse in the beginning   that is the lowest form of all animals [beasts ]  , cursed on your belly you shall go And dust you will eat All the days of your life

  1 John 2 Do Not Love the World
15Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world,

the love of the Father is not in him.


16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

Matt23 Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
...14"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Is this greater  condemnation  the curse above all beasts  being of  the serpents  curse ?     I believe it is  , they only have the  flesh   to glory in and it is temporary till they die   and are last      . 
15"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte;[note the  beast of land and sea  being what will no longer  exist in Revelation 13  of Jesus Christ    when God    does His mighty  work  in WORD & DEED /ACT destroying them   in Rev 14   till Rev 19  ?

and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

16"Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.'...
  every plant

    satan/gods of this world  is   blinding    mankind  2 Cor The Light of the Gospel
...3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,

4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake....


Blind from birth ?  spiritual blindness  ?    the carnal mind is an enemy  against the Spirit of Life  and to be carnally minded is death  [  carnal= beastly minded ]    John 9   
Forgive them Father for they know not what they do , Jesus said on that   painful torturous  cross .  the gospel is the Light of the world but men loved  darkness more than the Light because their deeds are evil from their own hearts ...   JOHN 3 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.   :sigh:


 

[marie glen]

Amen Rose! :thumbsup:

   ...To turn away from Him is potentially a bottomless pit! how low can one go? history proves, pretty dang low.. :sigh:

And how the pharisees (and all hypocrites) have the greater damnation.. they don't go in (to His Presence/Spirit) and they block the door so others don't either! :mshock: (and sadly and though most don't mean to, but I think the hell gospel does the same thing.. blocks the door :faint: )

But praise God.. His resounding victory will be complete..  I am ever SO thankful to be blessed to know that.. (All else? but for the grace of God go I..)
                  :girlheart:

[rosered]

...To turn away from Him is potentially a bottomless pit! how low can one go? history proves, pretty dang low.. :sigh:

And how the pharisees (and all hypocrites) have the greater damnation.. they don't go in (to His Presence/Spirit) and they block the door so others don't either! :mshock: (and sadly and though most don't mean to, but I think the hell gospel does the same thing.. blocks the door :faint: )

But praise God.. His resounding victory will be complete..  I am ever SO thankful to be blessed to know that.. (All else? but for the grace of God go I..)
                  :girlheart:

:laughing7:  Good one Marie  !!      Its the pits      :laugh:   

    The more I look at the Word of God   I am  beginning to   think ,  our sin is our perception  :dsunny:    '' repentance ''is changing your MIND

per·cep·tion
pərˈsepSH(ə)n/
noun
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
"the normal limits to human perception"
the state of being or process of becoming aware of something through the senses.
"the perception of pain"
synonyms:   recognition, awareness, consciousness, appreciation, realization, knowledge, grasp, understanding, comprehension, apprehension; formal cognizance
"our perception of our own limitations"
a way of regarding, understanding, or interpreting something; a mental impression.
"Hollywood's perception of the tastes of the American public"
synonyms:   impression, idea, conception, notion, thought, belief, judgment, estimation
"popular perceptions of old age"


our perception of the world   and how to overcome it ,,,      , Jesus said greater is HE that is IN YOU  than in the world  , this is the mind of Christ 

Our stronger  Spiritual reliant   and dependant upon  for   all    need and help

[rosered]

Here is a truth   to consider about the worldly wisdom [serpent ]and the Wisdom of God [Christ] and  how they are at odds   and where is the power    to overcome ?


1Cor 1 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside."

Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe?

Where is the debater of this age?

Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God,


God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;

but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.



For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh,

not many mighty, not many noble;

but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise,


and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,


and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen,


the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,


so that no man may boast before God.


But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written,

"Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord."    Praise God   for what he has DONE !!!!!