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Apologetics - Universal Reconciliation => Word Studies => Topic started by: Joanna on May 09, 2015, 01:11:17 PM

Title: No condemnation
Post by: Joanna on May 09, 2015, 01:11:17 PM
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

What does this Bible verse mean from a universal salvation prospective?
Title: Re: No condemnation
Post by: Joanna on May 09, 2015, 01:29:10 PM
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Can you explain this verse as well.
Title: Re: No condemnation
Post by: Joanna on May 09, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
Many chuches say that the basis for their faith is: the Bible is without error the Word of God.

I can accept that the original Hebrew and Greek texts before translation are the Word of God.

How can I accept my version of the Bible as the Word of God if it contains translation errors?  Is there a Bible version on the Internet in modern English which is the correct translation for universalists to read and I'll use it for Bible study?   I have the Young's Literal Translation of the Bible but I don't understand it very well as it is written in Old English and I need a more modern version.
Title: Re: No condemnation
Post by: rosered on May 09, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
  Hi Joanna

    You could use several ,,,,Have  many  myself to compare  with     and use the ones    line ones too  :HeartThrob:

  the WORD OF GOD IS JESUS CHRIST    His witness /testimony   also it is the Spirit of prophecy

  pray sis and ask  for Gods help    , we seek his praises , not the praises of men

  He promises   to  give us the    HOLY SPIRIT and   many good things      making you strong in Spirit and truth
  In His  own  time 

  You are already well on your way  , seeking and asking   and knocking on the DOOR   Jesus is the door to the sheepfold     
you have heard His voice and are    now on your way to following His narrow path      made for you to  walk in the Spirit   that leads to His Life  that has become your life

I just want to say there is no just one Bible    translation     perfect , only His Word is perfect by His own Spirit   within  us     and that is for the time appointed making it   complete   in Him 

We grow in Truth and grace    and its not  anything to do with   mankind , it is everything to with   His Word and Spirit dwelling in mankind    by the increase of the Living God Himself 

  If you are hungering and thirsting after  HIS   righteousness  , you will be filled !!  none have doubts about that

   hunger  and thirst    https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=hunger+thirst+&qs_version=EXB

   http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-6.htm


I use these  on line a lot

  But Tom  and a few other use the inner linear    and concordant   versions


I have tried them    but they are hindering to me , not as much help  , because   some like  me,  are simple and  need better explaining  and easier words to express the thoughts  ,  as plain speech    .

  I have a very hard time writing  and processing thoughts down  specifically   :sigh: but keep trying  anyways 

God gives us a strong  desire   for more of Him     so we keep on trying   and not give up   

God bless you  in all your efforts   sis !! :HeartThrob:


     




Title: Re: No condemnation
Post by: rosered on May 09, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Joanna on May 09, 2015, 01:11:17 PM
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

What does this Bible verse mean from a universal salvation prospective?

  walking in the Spirit and not according to the flesh any longer ,,, that carnally  mindedness  with  worldly   wisdom      is an enemy against the Spirit of Gods wisdom & truth to me sis   

Its Paul   witnessing   and  telling us   ,   we are free in the Spirit   of Christ Life and Loving God and  wanting to please Him    ,


no longer loving the worldly    things    of our lives           the carnal  nature is the beast nature  of animals that love to do there own thing naturally  of whatever comes to mind  by impulse and need  to satisfy     the craving  of lusts , desired things of the world offerings       ,

  also it is    trying to bring the Living God  down to our own level    of intelligence      , making us the   foolish ones  being yet carnal in nature     

   It is the  first nature trying to rule over this new nature of Christ in us  and not the other way around    , we are to let the Christ nature rule over the carnal nature in us all   allowing Him   His rightful place seated in our hearts and minds as we are the temple of the Living God     ,  We want Him to be our  King and  owner

One is slave to the other  one  , which  one is ruling and reigning is    declared and open as seen in our deeds  /works    as obvious  to all


     

Title: Re: No condemnation
Post by: Tom on May 09, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
I believe the original ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts were inspired by God, but they don't exist anymore. There are thousands of imperfect copies from which come all the different versions. I was a die hard King James fan for many years until I became aware of the inaccuracies of translation. That's when I switched to Young's Literal Translation. By the way, there's a newer version of that with more modern English. But I switched to the Concordant Version when I became aware of some things that Young's Literal Translation shares with the King James Version, 1 John 5:7 being a prime example. The problem is the manuscript used. I use the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer, and even it has the adulterated Greek text shown because it uses the Textus Receptus. Older Greek manuscripts don't contain the added words, and they are considered to be more authentic. The Romans committed forgery in the translation of scripture to propagate their church doctrine after they were unsuccessful at suppressing scripture by torturing people and burning them at the stake. I think the Concordant Version is the most accurate translation, Joanna, even though I realize that there is no perfect translation because something is always lost in translation. Some people who try it go back to their King James because they're not used to it, but after you read it for awhile you don't even think about it being a problem. I think having to read the literal language is a small price to pay for knowing the truth of scripture. Here are links to free PDF files of the Old & New Testaments and the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer with synchronized Commentary. You have to figure out a few tricks to setting up the ISA to be most helpful, but I'll be glad to help if you want to check it out.

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.scripture4all.org/cbrowser/cbrowser.htm