Life in the Spirit

[Taffy]

Jesus Christ is absolutely the center of my walk with God.

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Blessings
Taffy

[pickr]

Well I guess Im just different in how I view things

Nothing wrong with that. If you weren't different, you wouldn't be you!  :thumbsup:

Paul says we are to encourage one another and be of like mind. But he also says that each member of the body has unique gifts.

Keep on keepin on, Kept. Hold fast to that which is good.

Peace and blessings,

Andy

[james.goetz]

My concern is that taking this one false foundational stone out of our Christianity seems to have made it too easy to question many other things that we just do not "think" sounds right to us. Except now, we do not have to prove what we question in light of the original translations of the Bible, we can just trust our feelings of what is true over the written Word. If you have followed my posts, this may work for some, but it does not work for me.

In the last few months, I have heard there is no free will, no virgin birth, no Satan, no demons, no 5-fold ministry, and no need for assembling together in person with a local body of believers. I have heard medical science exalted over God's healing power and man's ideas of mental illness exalted over what the Bible says is not natural, but spiritual in nature. Mainly, I have heard that the Bible is not really the Word of God unless what we read is what we already think that the Spirit is saying.

I honestly do not know how much longer I can go this way with you all. I seem to post less and less and shake my head more and more. Why? Because I believe that the unsaved soul of man is still the knowledge of good and evil and it still brings spiritual death. Spending our time at that tree discussing what we think and what we feel is right and what we have decided to do instead of going to the other tree of life and seeing what saith the Lord is not good for people of God.

Hi John,

I share many of your concerns, but I am a newbie. And while a I appreciate a forum where evidently the only common thread in the moderators is the belief that Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all people, I believe that the Church has deeper needs in regards to the theology of UR. For example, Protestant orthodoxy holds to the following beliefs: Jesus is the incarnation of God the Son; Jesus physically died and physically resurrected; "all" of the original manuscripts for all the books in the Old and New Testament are the Word of God.

Here I need to clarify that I am not opposing anybody in Tentmaker who rejects that all of the original manuscripts of all the books in the Old and New Testament are the Word of God, which for all I know could be the majority of the Tentmaker moderators. But I am addressing a need for many Christians. For example, many Christians have little confidence in consulting a Bible resource which chooses what parts of the Bible are the Word of God. Many Christians want to work out their biblical doctrines with other Christians who believe that all of the Bible is the Word of God. So Christians who want to consider UR while they are coming from the perspective of Protestant orthodoxy may lose confidence in Tentmaker.

I hope that nobody is offended by what I am saying, but I wish to suggest that Tentmaker forum includes a section that is dedicated to some doctrinal statements related to Protestant orthodoxy. For example, the section could be dedicated to reaching evangelical churches with UR. And John, perhaps you would be one the best people here to head up such a section.

Blessings:)

[firstborn888]

All I can say John is that we need balance here. Tentmaker is at the forefront of UR, which is the real gospel that will change the world. It's hard to believe that the state of the church is as far off as it is, but It's becoming more and more clear that, even at it's best, the present system is not even close to representing the God to His creation. I've only recently come to grips with the fact that TBN, which is 'Spirit Filled' and adhere's to all the basic creeds and to the infallibility of the 'Word' etc. is corrupt beyond repair. I have personally worked with some of these folks in decades past - and it was great, but it's now about greed from the foundation up.

It's a bit scary, the treck to the outskirts of the camp, but Christ is there. If anyone in charge around here starts denying Christ - I'll be out the door with you in a heartbeat, but until then - it's just you and the others here and a few local friends who I can really share with. 

- byron

[Hennessey]

All I can say John is that we need balance here. Tentmaker is at the forefront of UR, which is the real gospel that will change the world. It's hard to believe that the state of the church is as far off as it is, but It's becoming more and more clear that, even at it's best, the present system is not even close to representing the God to His creation. I've only recently come to grips with the fact that TBN, which is 'Spirit Filled' and adhere's to all the basic creeds and to the infallibility of the 'Word' etc. is corrupt beyond repair. I have personally worked with some of these folks in decades past - and it was great, but it's now about greed from the foundation up.

It's a bit scary, the treck to the outskirts of the camp, but Christ is there. If anyone in charge around here starts denying Christ - I'll be out the door with you in a heartbeat, but until then - it's just you and the others here and a few local friends who I can really share with. 

- byron

I concur with all you said here Byron and it was about three weeks ago that it dawned on me that most all in the organized church with it's five fold ministry do not know Jesus. I was afraid to think this but I painfully came to grips with this conclusion as I found these people are being led by their souls and have fallen back into the religion of the law and works while mouthing grace with their lips.  God seems to be separating as the system has been corrupted almost beyond belief. So much seems to be falling in Babylon recently and I can only hope some will see to flee.   

I wrestle with these questions but maybe from the opposite end. I haven't yet received a response here on this topic but I was so hoping to get other's views. If people believe in Hell fire how can they know Christ who is the embodiment of the Father's Agape?

http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=1359.0

I feel like I have been stunned and thrown back by the darkness in the organized church. I never would have imagined how strong the deception.  Be blessed and please know I sincerely and painfully am trying to work through what I have seen and experieinced of late.

Jack

[AbbasChild]

Jack, I can so relate to this,  though I also find it hard to think this way. When I used to work with mentaly handicaped people- because the home was run by the  roman catholic church- we went with them to some of the services that were especially designed for them. All they heard there was about the Love of God (anything else wouldn't have interested them or even gotten through to them) and I was very thankfull for that. They just loved it when I would bring them to bed and pray for them. But the institution itself was so corrupt and if they would have known that I prayde for and wittnessed to folks they would have kicked me out, even though I only shared Christ and nothng about any denomination.

At this time I was part of one of the local churches and held a leadership position there, Before Father told me to leave it I got more and more frustrated because people were so dysfunctional but thought themselves so spiritula and sophisticated. But to tell you the truth my patiences at work seemed to have more sanity than my friends at 'church'.

Latley I got really frustrated because I discoverd that all the guys that are labeled 'men of God' in our area are very much involved in churchpolitics and are excellent in manipulating people through guilt and shame. After I cried out to Father, He made it clear to me that this is all they got. Because there is no real anointing if one needs to rely on this kind of methods. I still find it hard to accept this, but it seems to turn out that this is the truth and it absolutley shocks me.

Where is the real Jesus? Where are the people that display His character and His power?
More and more I've become aware of my own lack of reality and all I can do is fall on my knees and ask for more of Himself. This all makes me really, really sad.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: LT, this is the revelation He gave me on the Seed......this is what He's actually accomplishing in us by taking us outside the camp...

:cloud9: All of creation is waiting on the manifestation of the sons of God, that's true.  And the word manifestation there means, of course, to uncover or reveal. But what is actually to be revealed or uncovered? It's not the Christ, for He has been revealed in varying degrees for 2 days now , the 2 days of the inner court realm of Pentecost. Christ is a many membered body that is Spirit, and it is Christ that is/are the son(s), the seed of the Father. So who is it then, that all of creation is waiting to have uncovered?

  :cloud9: God the Father was IN Christ, reconciling all men unto Himself. Christ is the  seed that COVERS the Father, and it is THIS uncovering of the true spiritual sons of God of the Father, that all of creation is waiting for. This is why it says that unless a grain (seed) of wheat fall to the ground and die, it abideth alone, ie. without the fullness of the Father, too, in full manifestation.

:cloud9: We, are not the sons; the flesh profiteth nothing. This is why there are sons/Christ raising up, that are according to the flesh, both male and female. There is terrestrial flesh, and there is celestial flesh, and it is the celestial flesh of the Christ that must be laid down as it is that seed that beareth fruit after it's own kind, because it's own kind is the FATHER. What we sow, we reap. This is why if we sow the flesh (ours) we only reap corruption, but if we sow the Christ seed, His flesh, we reap incorruption of the Father, the everlasting life!

:cloud9: The Christ seed, if you will, is the life that covers the everlasting life of the Father within. It is everything He has given us in this inner court experience, that literally forms what is Christ in us. The gifts, the titles, even the doctrines must be laid down as crowns at His feet. THIS IS the circumcision of Abraham, the father of our faith, who was declared righteous because of the SEAL of circumcision. Abraham was called to leave country (the land/earth you are comfortable in/your comfort zone), kindred (who are my brethren? those that do the will of my Father), and his father's house (carnal mind or the carnal minds you are submitted to), and lay his promised seed, his only begotten son of promise, on the altar.

:cloud9: We are called to do only what we see our Father do, and He laid His only begotten son, the Christ on the altar, too. Christ IS the firstfruits offering! This is why it says you can't have the Son without the Father, nor the Father without the son, for each comes to REVEAL/UNCOVER the other.

:cloud9: Hebrews 10 tells us the tabernacle is the pattern of things in the heavenly realms. The tabernacle had TWO partitions. The first, represents the veil of our terrestrial "flesh" that is "rent" when we go from the outer court experience of initial salvation to the inner court experience of the inner court/baptism of the Holy Spirit, as we partake of true communion, the bread/word eaten in the light of the candlestick/ wine to the renewing of our mind. Those that hunger (bread) and thirst (wine) for righteousness shall be filled (with the fullness of God the Father=Holy of Holies experience).

:cloud9: Christ apportioned Himself to us in the inner court realm of Pentecost in gifts, titles, ect. and as great as it's been, it is still only a portion, the earnest of our
inheritance. We laid down our flesh, our "veil" to enter into the Christ, and it is this veil that is done away with when we are no longer under the letter of the law that killeth, but under subjection to and IN the Christ, for the strength of the law is sin but if the flesh is "dead" then we are no more debtors to the law.

:cloud9: We "died", (if we have appropriated it) if you will, and were resurrected into the SPIRIT of Christ. Christ laid down His flesh, which is celestial flesh, to enter into the Father, because flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God (represented as Holy of Holies). This is the second resurrection, and the rending of the SECOND veil, that is between the inner court and the Holy of Holies, which is the flesh of Him, that we must lay down. Blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection (rending of our veil to enter into Christ), upon whom the second death (laying down the flesh of Him-rending the second veil) will have no effect.

:cloud9: If we die with Him (the Christ seed), then shall we also be raised with Him, into
the presence of God the Father. Positionally, we received it, but not experientially, because we could not, for the time had not come---until now. So the promise therefore is IN Isaac/Christ/ the flesh of Him being rent/laid down, not in Ishmael/the flesh of us being rent, for our life is hid IN Christ, and that life that is hid is the Father. For if Christ the Spirit had not risen then we would be as those that have no hope. Why? Because if the Christ had not ascended to the Father, then neither would we able to, because there is only one mediator between man and the Father and that is the Christ.

:cloud9: The promise is the FATHER, who is IN Christ reconciling all men unto Himself. Ever wonder why when He arose He still had the marks? It was so we would
know we could lay down the FLESH of HIM and still live, for it was not just the natural marks they were looking at, but the marks of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world, for flesh and blood (terrestrial) cannot enter the kingdom of God. First natural, then spiritual. But He has flesh and He has blood and it was this that went thru walls and ascended to the Father, when THAT veil was rent. This is why the Holy GHOST was not given until after He ascended to the Father. A ghost is a spirit that has lived in a body. A HOLY GHOST is one that has lived in a HOLY BODY, i.e.. the CHRIST body/veil that the FATHER lived/lives in, therefore that veil had to be rent as well, for He said if I don't go away (the celestial flesh of the Christ that was risen), another comforter will not come to you.

:cloud9: The "another comforter" that is to come to us in the FULLNESS IN US, IS THE
FATHER, as the Holy GHOST. Job lost everything the Lord God had given to him, which represented the flesh of the Christ, at the hand of the LORD, but that is the requirement for the double portion, for Job received double. Job said in the beginning I heard of God with mine ears (inner court) experience of hearing Him thru the gifts, but NOW I see Him with mine eyes. We are changed by what we perceive from glory to glory, thru the mind of Christ. It is our carnal fleshly nature to want to hang onto the FRUIT (gifts and callings)  that looks so good to the lust of the flesh of our "Eve", but He was marred so badly so that none should desire Him. None desire us out here in the wilderness. We appear backslidden at best.

:cloud9: Laying down the flesh of Him, looks bad to the lust of the eyes. That's why when He told the disciples the manner in which He should die, many left Him that same hour. Taking on the image of sinful flesh is not pretty, not something the lust of the eyes covets. But Elijah, a type of the Christ, told Elisha what the requirement for receiving the double portion was; if you see (perceive thru the mind of Christ) the FLESH OF ME leave, then you shall have it.

:cloud9: The veil was made of GOAT'S hair and linen (image of sinful flesh) and about 9(9 speaks of the fullness of His love manifested as the Christ=9 gifts, 9 fruits) inches thick. Only the hand of God the Father can rend this veil of the Christ, because no man can come to the Father except the Father call him. In Song of Sol. it says thou hast DOVE'S EYES (the only thing left in this flesh is the mind/perception of Christ within this image of sinful flesh) within thy locks (hair=glory) ; thy hair is as a flock of GOATS, that appear from mount Gilead. The word appear there means to caper as a GOAT.

:cloud9: Gilead is a region EAST (kings come from the east) of the JORDAN (past the death of the first veil of flesh), and comes from root word that means something ROLLED away, heap of stones (lively stones=the Christ in each one), by analogy a SPRING of WATERS (He comes with a voice of many waters). This is why Gideon laid TWO offerings on the altar--one a cake, and one a kid (male goat). We must see Him as He is to be conformed into His image from glory to glory. Has He given you dove's eyes so that you can see Him as the image of sinful flesh, and thereby be changed into that glory? Do you see Him as the veil of goat's hair/linen that must be rent/flesh of Him laid down, to reveal the Father inside?

:cloud9: When Jesus said "I am the resurrection AND the life", it was because He heard the FATHER speak this. The Father is the resurrection and the life! The Father also said, "I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will hear my voice (inner court) and OPEN (rend the veil) the door, then I (the Father) will come in and sup with him and him with Me." Christ, the Son, seed of God, is the door that must be opened. Open there runs into a meaning of opening the EYES. Father, open the eyes of our understanding, that we may see You as you are now, and dance/cavort as David did when He was stripped of the garments YOU had given him. The garments He gave us are anything not of ourselves, but of Christ who dwells within us and upon us. Blessings... .....

[joian]

I've read this through about 3 times  to this point-

The Christ seed, if you will, is the life that covers the everlasting life of the Father within.

I must be seeing/hearing better because I actually understood 50% of what you said..........lol

I printed off a hard copy to just take with me.........

How long has it been Cardinal since I thanked God for you...........

Keep on.......I get glimpses into the spirit when you share........

Love you,

Joian

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Thanks Joian, that's encouraging. When He makes something life in you, it's hard to put into words sometimes, but I try to make it as plain as I can, and trust at the appropriate time according to the will of the HS, it will "click" in someone. Blessings to you....... :HeartThrob:

[Loveroftruth]

Card,

I am going to print it off and read it before bed  :Book:

Thanks sis  :friendstu: