Firstfruits -- Birthed -- Elohim -- Aleph-Tau--Abode of God-- Aleph-Tau -- Abode of men
Quote from: redhotmagma on October 30, 2011, 02:27:57 PM
Firstfruits -- Birthed -- Elohim -- Aleph-Tau--Abode of God-- Aleph-Tau -- Abode of men
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Quote from: redhotmagma on October 30, 2011, 02:27:57 PM
Firstfruits -- Birthed -- Elohim -- Aleph-Tau--Abode of God-- Aleph-Tau -- Abode of men
What does that mean? I am only desiring to understand. Thanks :HeartThrob:
Micah, the word beginning, is translated firstfruits very often.
Christ is birthed from Father, He is the firstfruits, He is the Aleph-Tau(alpha-omega), in Him the fullness dwelt, in Him we live and move and breathe
I just took other definitions strongs gives. heaven= abode of God, earth= abode of men
Firstfruits just kept jumping out at me.
John 1:1 has always seemed like a parallel to Genesis 1:1 to me.
Christ is the ALPHA and Omega....Beginning and END...
Aleph[Hebrew] being the first letter represents the birth of all things.
Tav (whose symbolic meaning is the cross) is the last letter and represents the completion of all things. Together they represent all the other letter in-between and through which God expressed his truth.
The word 'truth' in Hebrew is emet. It is comprised of three letters: aleph " mem " tav. As such it represents the alpha and omega (aleph " tav). The letter mem signifies water and is shaped like the womb. meaning, truth must flow and also birth that which is above. The word heaven (H.8064 sha-mayim) is founded on the Hebrew word for water (H.4325 mayim). The letter shin represents fire. So together, heaven rains down fire and water. The two things we are baptised in.
Quote from: redhotmagma on October 31, 2011, 02:17:36 PM
Micah, the word beginning, is translated firstfruits very often.
Christ is birthed from Father, He is the firstfruits, He is the Aleph-Tau(alpha-omega), in Him the fullness dwelt, in Him we live and move and breathe
I just took other definitions strongs gives. heaven= abode of God, earth= abode of men
Firstfruits just kept jumping out at me.
John 1:1 has always seemed like a parallel to Genesis 1:1 to me.
Yes, you got it. "in the beginning" =Bereshyt and it means in the very house or dwelling place of ALL things. And as you say Christ for He is the firstfruits of all of that house. That is why it is very important to KNOW that all of what we read is in a true sense being yet "becoming" (a work in progress so to speak,) and why to continue to teach that Gen.1:27 is what God "did" rather than what He is DOING now. And why as you "see" that Jo. 1:1 is part of Gen.1:1 I say Amen and Glory!
Ahhh..... micah!
Now I see what you have been getting at all this time.
Not that man became a living soul but that we are still becoming that living soul.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on October 31, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Ahhh..... micah!
Now I see what you have been getting at all this time.
Not that man became a living soul but that we are still becoming that living soul.
The Pattern of the Earthly man is after that of the Spiritual Man, but alas, the earthly man{Soul that Sinneth SHALL Die~] :icon_flower:
Quote from: Beloved Servant on October 31, 2011, 07:51:49 PM
Ahhh..... micah!
Now I see what you have been getting at all this time.
Not that man became a living soul but that we are still becoming that living soul.
Not exactly, man/adam did become a living soul [ a start] but that START is becoming.
1Jn 3:1 See ye what love the Father hath given to us, that children of God we may be called; because of this the world doth not know us, because it did not know Him;
1Jn 3:2 beloved, now, children of God are we, and it was not yet manifested what we shall be, and we have known that if he may be manifested,
like him we shall be, because we shall see him as he is; 1Jn 3:3 and every one who is having this hope on him, doth purify himself, even as he is pure.
I understand.
The Earnest.
Quote from: micah7:9 on November 01, 2011, 02:32:12 AM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on October 31, 2011, 11:42:17 PM
The Earnest.
Yes, and that is a very precious word!
entwined, as Betrothed ~ Covered and Entwined with GOLD~ for we are one~
Quote from: redhotmagma on October 31, 2011, 02:17:36 PM
Micah, the word beginning, is translated firstfruits very often.
Christ is birthed from Father, He is the firstfruits, He is the Aleph-Tau(alpha-omega), in Him the fullness dwelt, in Him we live and move and breathe
I just took other definitions strongs gives. heaven= abode of God, earth= abode of men
Firstfruits just kept jumping out at me.
John 1:1 has always seemed like a parallel to Genesis 1:1 to me.
:cloud9: Amen, it is.....
In the beginning (firstfruits), God created the heaven (mind of Christ) and the earth (glorified body).
Also....
In the beginning was the Word (outer court/Jesus the flesh man), the Word was with God (inner court/Emmanuel/Christ), and the Word was God (Holy of Holies/Lord).
the Father speaking the commandment of life to His creature?
Aleph , as symbol of the OX\Pough[ He ]who gives Life[ furrows] the earth[ Female]~ :icon_flower:
4 living creatures...head of ox,eagle,lion and man...wherever the spirit would go......problably another thread topic :bigGrin:
ox also 'to sprinkle" I plant the heavens and the earth
Quote from: sheila on November 11, 2011, 05:31:24 PM
4 living creatures...head of ox,eagle,lion and man...wherever the spirit would go......problably another thread topic :bigGrin:
ox also 'to sprinkle" I plant the heavens and the earth
:icon_flower: :Sparkletooth:
:cloud9: Loving this :thumbsup:
Quote from: Cardinal on November 11, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: redhotmagma on October 31, 2011, 02:17:36 PM
Micah, the word beginning, is translated firstfruits very often.
Christ is birthed from Father, He is the firstfruits, He is the Aleph-Tau(alpha-omega), in Him the fullness dwelt, in Him we live and move and breathe
I just took other definitions strongs gives. heaven= abode of God, earth= abode of men
Firstfruits just kept jumping out at me.
John 1:1 has always seemed like a parallel to Genesis 1:1 to me.
:cloud9: Amen, it is.....
In the beginning (firstfruits), God created the heaven (mind of Christ) and the earth (glorified body).
Also....
In the beginning was the Word (outer court/Jesus the flesh man), the Word was with God (inner court/Emmanuel/Christ), and the Word was God (Holy of Holies/Lord).
It is amazing to me anyway, how all this stuff comes together to some in the way that it does. Not that it ain't so, but for me a lot of the "similarities" that are set into there place when things are found "relative" is amazing to me. I say this only because I see it, but I cannot accept a lot of it, perhaps I have to mature more, or maybe it just ain't so Joe?
This is but my humble opinion, I will add that there was a time when I to, did accept this type of teaching, "usetah." :icon_flower: :cloud9: :HeartThrob: :2c: :dontknow:
Micah, believe me you are not alone in your thinking of this. When I first read this I thought I was really lacking in understanding and I tried to see the things that Cardinal, Taffy, or Nathan saw but just couldn't wrap my mind around most of it. Paul said to be content with whatever state you were in, so I decided that if God wanted me to see things differently he would show me, so I will just have to be content with the understanding I have at this point and wait on the Lord to show me whatever he desires me to know.
I guess I am just to literal a person, or maybe not. :dontknow:
CHB
Quote from: CHB on November 11, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Micah, believe me you are not alone in your thinking of this. When I first read this I thought I was really lacking in understanding and I tried to see the things that Cardinal, Taffy, or Nathan saw but just couldn't wrap my mind around most of it. Paul said to be content with whatever state you were in, so I decided that if God wanted me to see things differently he would show me, so I will just have to be content with the understanding I have at this point and wait on the Lord to show me whatever he desires me to know.
I guess I am just to literal a person, or maybe not. :dontknow:
CHB
Hi Charlotte~is Christ not the Lamb, The Living Manna , The Dove ,The Lion[ of Judah]. The Eagle[ Wings that heal] , The WOLF of Benjamin ? He also The OX, [Power and Strength] ~ Another part of His NATURE shown in the Literal highlighting the Spiritual~~~ I believe all are above the Literal in some way ~Just some more then others, Tis all~ :HeartThrob:
Most Patterns , types declare the very same message~all relating to the Birth of the Man child within, His Bride to BE, through the slaying of the Serpents seed[ Cain]~just the other day I was Given to discover the Half Shekel is our covering too~ :HeartThrob:
Quote from: CHB on November 11, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Micah, believe me you are not alone in your thinking of this. When I first read this I thought I was really lacking in understanding and I tried to see the things that Cardinal, Taffy, or Nathan saw but just couldn't wrap my mind around most of it. Paul said to be content with whatever state you were in, so I decided that if God wanted me to see things differently he would show me, so I will just have to be content with the understanding I have at this point and wait on the Lord to show me whatever he desires me to know.
I guess I am just to literal a person, or maybe not. :dontknow:
CHB
CHB
I have been given to reason that you and perhaps I are "literal" persons in the view that we need the Holy Spirit to confirm
our understanding in spirit, and not in the sense that we are "literal" as the word is generally understood. Not sure if that made any sense to you or not.
I "ustah" do the very things that some do today, until I was awakened to understand that just because it fits to make it look and sound proper and corrrect and deep to cause oo's ah's, as I grown in studying and knowledge, does not mean that I set those findings in concrete and begin to use that same similarity, relative design, to work on ALL, of what we are given to sift through. In other words its not a one size fits all, this is all in my humble opinion. :HeartThrob:
I don't even know if I used the correct words to make this thought clear. Pray for all of us. Thank you.
Quote from: Taffy on November 11, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: CHB on November 11, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Micah, believe me you are not alone in your thinking of this. When I first read this I thought I was really lacking in understanding and I tried to see the things that Cardinal, Taffy, or Nathan saw but just couldn't wrap my mind around most of it. Paul said to be content with whatever state you were in, so I decided that if God wanted me to see things differently he would show me, so I will just have to be content with the understanding I have at this point and wait on the Lord to show me whatever he desires me to know.
I guess I am just to literal a person, or maybe not. :dontknow:
CHB
Hi Charlotte~is Christ not the Lamb, The Living Manna , The Dove ,The Lion[ of Judah]. The Eagle[ Wings that heal] , The WOLF of Benjamin ? He also The OX, [Power and Strength] ~ Another part of His NATURE shown in the Literal highlighting the Spiritual~~~ I believe all are above the Literal in some way ~Just some more then others, Tis all~ :HeartThrob:
Yes, I agree with this?
Quote from: Taffy
Most Patterns , types declare the very same message~all relating to the Birth of the Man child within, His Bride to BE, through the slaying of the Serpents seen[ Cain]~just the other day I was Given to discover the Half Shekel is our covering too~ :HeartThrob:
Now it is as if you are speaking foreign language. Maybe I am just too much of a home grown country girl.
You know, redneck? :happy3: :girlheart:
CHB
QuoteNow it is as if you are speaking foreign language. Maybe I am just too much of a home grown country girl.
:icon_flower: :HeartThrob:
No worries at all Charlotte
a Brotherly hug to you~ :HeartThrob:
Quote from: micah7:9 on November 11, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
I have been given to reason that you and perhaps I are "literal" persons in the view that we need the Holy Spirit to confirm
our understanding in spirit, and not in the sense that we are "literal" as the word is generally understood. Not sure if that made any sense to you or not.
I "ustah" do the very things that some do today, until I was awakened to understand that just because it fits to make it look and sound proper and corrrect and deep to cause oo's ah's, as I grown in studying and knowledge, does not mean that I set those findings in concrete and begin to use that same similarity, relative design, to work on ALL, of what we are given to sift through. In other words its not a one size fits all, this is all in my humble opinion. :HeartThrob:
I don't even know if I used the correct words to make this thought clear. Pray for all of us. Thank you.
:cloud9: Micah, the Lord teaches us on whatever level He's already brought us to in our understanding, building upon the last "row" He previously laid as a Master mason.
As He graciously gave us in Hebrews 10, the pattern of the heavenlies or spiritual things is the Tabernacle of Moses, so it should not be confounding to anyone that He would give understanding illuminating and building upon that foundational principle. My :2c: Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on November 11, 2011, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on November 11, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
I have been given to reason that you and perhaps I are "literal" persons in the view that we need the Holy Spirit to confirm
our understanding in spirit, and not in the sense that we are "literal" as the word is generally understood. Not sure if that made any sense to you or not.
I "ustah" do the very things that some do today, until I was awakened to understand that just because it fits to make it look and sound proper and corrrect and deep to cause oo's ah's, as I grown in studying and knowledge, does not mean that I set those findings in concrete and begin to use that same similarity, relative design, to work on ALL, of what we are given to sift through. In other words its not a one size fits all, this is all in my humble opinion. :HeartThrob:
I don't even know if I used the correct words to make this thought clear. Pray for all of us. Thank you.
:cloud9: Micah, the Lord teaches us on whatever level He's already brought us to in our understanding, building upon the last "row" He previously laid as a Master mason.
As He graciously gave us in Hebrews 10, the pattern of the heavenlies or spiritual things is the Tabernacle of Moses, so it should not be confounding to anyone that He would give understanding illuminating and building upon that foundational principle. My :2c: Blessings....
True and it must be agreed to totally, but should that first brick or stone that "man" lays be set in error, will not the rest of
the building continue to go awry, yet accepted as proper because it seems or sounds like that's the way it should go? :dontknow: :HeartThrob:
If it's built on sand it will collapse
Quote from: micah7:9 on November 12, 2011, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on November 11, 2011, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on November 11, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
I have been given to reason that you and perhaps I are "literal" persons in the view that we need the Holy Spirit to confirm
our understanding in spirit, and not in the sense that we are "literal" as the word is generally understood. Not sure if that made any sense to you or not.
I "ustah" do the very things that some do today, until I was awakened to understand that just because it fits to make it look and sound proper and corrrect and deep to cause oo's ah's, as I grown in studying and knowledge, does not mean that I set those findings in concrete and begin to use that same similarity, relative design, to work on ALL, of what we are given to sift through. In other words its not a one size fits all, this is all in my humble opinion. :HeartThrob:
I don't even know if I used the correct words to make this thought clear. Pray for all of us. Thank you.
:cloud9: Micah, the Lord teaches us on whatever level He's already brought us to in our understanding, building upon the last "row" He previously laid as a Master mason.
As He graciously gave us in Hebrews 10, the pattern of the heavenlies or spiritual things is the Tabernacle of Moses, so it should not be confounding to anyone that He would give understanding illuminating and building upon that foundational principle. My :2c: Blessings....
True and it must be agreed to totally, but should that first brick or stone that "man" lays be set in error, will not the rest of
the building continue to go awry, yet accepted as proper because it seems or sounds like that's the way it should go? :dontknow: :HeartThrob:
:cloud9: Yes, but how many thousands of witnesses (scriptures) do you need before you trust the foundation is sure?
"Yes, but how many thousands of witnesses (scriptures) do you need before you trust the foundation is sure?" Cardinal
I don't really understand what you mean? Are you alluding to the witnesses(scriptures) of how "we" interpret what "we" consider to be the interpretation that is building a foundation?
"i", myself, personally can see much of what you Cardinal brings forth, there have been many truths it what you offer. My foundation in the Lord Jesus Christ is sound. I fall I get up...I fall.. HE helps me get up, one thing that He has let me know is that for me, myself to act like what He has taught me, what He has offered me, that it will not and cannot, line up with the plumb line that man's thinking has struck.
This much He has made me to know Genesis Chapter one is not a finished chapter, the man of Gen.1:26-27 is not YET made in the image and likeness of "US." And when the foundation has been started with the doctrine/teaching that the man of Gen.2:7 is made in the image and likeness, male and female....well He just plain and simple has given me to reason and consider that, what started out in error will not line up with HIS plumb line. If this must be taken as my opinion, so be it. :HeartThrob:
What is it that keeps us from knowing God? The simple answer is us.
And what would be our next course of action then?
I must decrease, he must increase.
At Genesis 1:1, it states: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." By distinguishing the earth separate from "the heavens", our Creator, Jehovah God, is identifying the earth as very special to him, the unique planet in all the universe for life, from the microscopic to the huge, such as the sperm whale, to his final creative act, mankind, to call earth "home".
Thus, in the opening verse of the Bible at Genesis 1:1, God clearly identifies the earth as of vital importance to him, preparing it over the course of 6 "creative" days (in which each "creative" day is several thousand years long) for us as his final act of creation.(Gen 1:26-28) This is like building a beautiful home, making sure everything is just right before moving in.
At Isaiah 45:18, God says: "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
At Isaiah 66, Jehovah says: "The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool."(Isa 66:1) Jesus pointed toward Isaiah 66:1, saying concerning swearing: "However, I say to you: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God's throne; nor by earth, because it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King."(Matt 5:34, 35)
Jehovah God purposed for the earth to be home for "meek" or teachable ones forever. David wrote: "But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.....The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."(Ps 37:11, 29)
There are none righteous, no, not one.....
He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.
(Eph 1:9-10)
For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--
(Col 1:19-22)
Have you read these verses before, and considered their meaning, or do you believe what you were taught by men with an interest in dominion by fear?