Hi Everybody,
i am new to all this but i had a friend who quoted this scripture and it stumped me.
33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Deos anyone have any thoughts on how they would respond to that?
PS... Really glad to have found this site...looking forward to reading and posting
Cheers
Jake
Welcome Jake :thumbsup:
I hope you find what you are looking for.
This is actually quite similar to the statement that if you don't forgive others' debts, then yours won't be forgiven. There's no evidence whatsoever that it's speaking of a permanent status that someone can never escape thereafter.
Yep I agree with Gab. Every tongue will eventually confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. :smile:
:welcome: to the Tent! :hihat:
Paul
Hi Jake
tend to agree with Gab on this ..
but when reading Matt 10 its about discipleship and
being a student of Gods Word / Jesus Christ taking what you have a sharing this with others the learning and gathering
same as
the parable of the servant hiding his talent in the ground /earth and not shaing this gospel with others in the same need you have had
you give freely and you will recieve more of HIM
you deny Him , you dont get any more , even what you had will be removed / stagnate from
the increase of God
:2c:
:HeartThrob:
willieH: Hi Thoughtmocker... :hithere:
Quote from: Thoughtmocker on November 20, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Hi Everybody,
i am new to all this but i had a friend who quoted this scripture and it stumped me.
33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Deos anyone have any thoughts on how they would respond to that?
PS... Really glad to have found this site...looking forward to reading and posting
Cheers
Jake
My :2c:
Well Jake... let me begin where
JESUS said:
Heb 13:5 -- ...
I will NEVER LEAVE YOU, nor FORSAKE you -- this denotes that AT NO TIME" [never] shall he LEAVE us --- which means that He is WITH us at ALL TIMES! This statement, is followed closely by this one:
Heb 13:8 --
JESUS CHRIST, the SAME -- YESTERDAY, TODAY and FOREVER -- He cannot BE with you and then NOT BE with you and remain UNCHANGING... IOW in BEING an UNCHANGING entity, ...He cannot be "with you" one day, and DISOWN (or NOT "BE" with) you the next... :dontknow: He
IS what He
IS at ALL TIMES...
What is actually being conveyed is that until REVELATION of
CHRIST is availed in ones heart, he/she remains "disowned"...
So...
CHRIST's statement of "disowning" simply means that whoever is not
IN CHRIST, is yet to
BE --
IN CHRIST... One that is
IN CHRIST, is thereby "believing" and thereby "confessed"...
Scripture notes -- As
IN ADAM -- ALL DIE, so
IN CHRIST shall ALL [the SAME "ALL"] be MADE ALIVE
[from DEATH] --
1 Cor 15:22 -- until one BELIEVES and CONFESSES, ...spiritually speaking, one remains DEAD.
"BELIEF and CONFESSION" is done by the REVELATION of
JESUS CHRIST in one's heart, which is done by
YHVH GOD.
This process occurs in "DUE TIME" [one at a time] --
1 Tim 2:6 -- if one's "due time" has not yet arrived... then he [in that "time prior"] is not
IN CHRIST and thereby [because he does NOT confess
CHRIST before men] "disowned" until he
IS --
IN CHRIST... which is YET to happen in that one's existence.
NO man
CAN come to
CHRIST, ...
EXCEPT... he be drawn to Him, by the Father --
John 6:44 -- and,
NO man
CAN say that
CHRIST is LORD [confess Him before men],
EXCEPT by the HOLY GHOST --
1 Cor 12:3 -- so until these things occur in one's experience, at the WILL of GOD, ...then that one remains "disowned" until they DO OCCUR!
Hope that helps you... :winkgrin:
...willieH :HeartThrob:
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Lee Damboise
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