Hello,
It's been a good while since i was here last. I think I can say my doctrines/beliefs have changed again since I was last here, but ain't that the way - they were only my beliefs anyway. The pursuit of truth with regards to the reality of how things are has to be a greater cause than personal belief. And in that regard, one has to dwell in the spiritual / Father.
My wife and I have entered a season of being trained in spiritual warfare; spiritual strongholds, curses, generational curses, harassing fallen angels, alters - you name it. We are being aided by a spiritual intercessor who has the gift of knowledge and revelation and is able to release things in the spirit, and we are seeing great benefits to that friendship, but we need to achieve fullness for ourselves in all areas of this warfare.
It's amazing how one seems to be having a nice life/time and then all of a sudden a storm kicks up out of nowhere, and multiple things kick off at once. So, there can only be one answer - to become masters of the winds and waves. Pressing into the Father for that is our new pursuit.
Regards,
Age
Hi Age
How did you come to believe in UR? Has UR been confirmed to you through prayer? I find that ET believers are usually the ones involved with spiritual warfare.
Very interesting. Just today I was thinking of how warfare with spiritual enemies can seem like an uneasy walking on water.. I guess that's where I'm at with that. Experiencing trying to keep certain waters subdued..
And realizing if I think spiritual enemies will fight fair, I should think again!
But the biggest key :iagree: is being aware there are spiritual enemies and we are given authority over them.. and I suppose that is a matter of believing also..
Quote from: Andrew on December 04, 2019, 03:48:38 AM
Hi Age
How did you come to believe in UR? Has UR been confirmed to you through prayer? I find that ET believers are usually the ones involved with spiritual warfare.
That's an interesting question; has UR been confirmed to me through prayer(?). The predicament with prayer is that for many people there are not definitive answers available through prayer, and that depends on what one perceives prayer as also. I've taken the view of mediation / thinking about the existential problem, of vast numbers either going to hell or with no awareness of their spiritual nature, as being a means to solve the issue, and having openness to Father to lead me in that pursuit - practicing the presence on an everyday adventure of discovery I suppose. I've contemplated the nature of the Father and had to contrast that with doctrines and orthodoxies and figure it out. There are some strong inconsistencies with the essence of being, the purpose of fire / refinement, and unloving punishment of people who have no awareness of something 'other' than their own thoughts.
I came to believe in spiritual warfare since we have had children, and I experienced the nature/nurture of a child from birth - we have 4, so it's a reasonable statistical spread to form a view from. How different they are, even though they've been brought up most similarly to one another. Such things as re-incarnation suddenly become much more plausible; and NDE testimonials indicate incarnation as being an elective process, not forced onto anyone. The veil of the flesh blocks pre-incarnate memory.
And when you've experienced praying for certain spirits to go and a child's behaviour changes, then you know that the flesh is a place for these things to lodge, whether it is generational or what have you. I've heard it said that spirits are disembodied souls of the preflood earth inhabitants living out their lives in us. And here's the kicker; when our spiritual man rises up, we are as smart as they are, because we're all as old as they are. If you never die, you were never born. It's a logical conclusion to the illusion of time.
So, I don't make that link of ET'ers only, to spiritual warfare. There is a model of how things are, and we have to continually update that model. When the demons in the man of the Garderenes referred to tormenting us 'before the time' we have to understand that that means something on many levels. The main one being that they have had an appointment (to oppress) for a time and in/under the right conditions we have authority over them. Believe it or not, many behaviours are a result of spiritual strongholds.
Age enduring, I have similar thoughts to the ones expressed in your post based on experience and prayer etc. as far as the nature of reality.
But I also believe that the more power and attention given to spiritual warfare, the potential to drag us down to a lower level is there, as we are giving too much strength to lower things. Some ET believers seem to do that IMO. So I believe part of spiritual warfare is keeping our minds on higher things and focusing on that. In my experience this can effect positive change as well. To meet everything with love (incredibly hard and I'm nowhere near attaining it) including the children's behaviors (I have 3 incredibly different kids as well), with the understanding that if it's a spiritual issue, the love can drive out the darkness (MLK Jr quote) and heal the child. Prayer and meditation also necessary as long as the focus is on higher things.
I myself would have to agree with Andrew and GodisLove, the reason is; Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace and are we not to understand that a prince is the Son of the King, therefore God the Father is Peace and Christ Jesus is the Son/Prince of Him ...
And if we are to be one with God/Peace, where is this Spirit if we are at war? Have we left Him/Peace/His Spirit to go to war?
IMO, to believe that evil has power is to give it life, for me, "evil" is just a word to be understood and in this belief it has no power.
When I look out into this world and see evil, I see people that have given power/life to it and because they have given it power/life by their belief, it is what rules in their life.
Is not our spiritual stronghold "what we believe"? and does not "what we believe" influence our behavior?
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Thanks Jugghead, I like the way you explained that!
Thank you for the challenge people. My spirit agrees with your responses. It is all too easy to get dragged down to lower things.
I think I was identifying that casting out spirits is an actual ministry and is an effective one, if the house is then appropriately filled. Would you agree with this?
Quote from: GodIsLove on December 11, 2019, 02:44:34 AM
Thanks Jugghead, I like the way you explained that!
me too!! well said Jug!!!,
I was thinking on my way to the vet yesterday in my car driving and speaking to the Holy Spirit for guidance and help hold my tongue and grant peace .
It must be THE HOLY presence of the Holy Spirit that is giving us this very thing , in the here and in the now .!
the Father son and Holy Spirit are as ONE and with us John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. 1 John 5 explains how we overcome the world , voices compared as waters from below .......
the voice of many waters from above or below , learning is also reasoning
with and discerning both types as we are willing to open our hearts up to as trials and errors and also small victories of overcoming or to be overcome .
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https://biblehub.com/bsb/1_john/5.htm (https://biblehub.com/bsb/1_john/5.htm) this was helpful to just read again ! thanks for that , the Power in the WORD is to practice what is preached / taught or explained . obey and get into the habit of doing it without thinking about it , as to coming forth naturally .
Seems the two natures oppose each other .
:thumbsup:
:thanks: TY Angela and Rose for your encouraging words
Quote from: Age-enduring on December 11, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Thank you for the challenge people. My spirit agrees with your responses. It is all too easy to get dragged down to lower things.
I think I was identifying that casting out spirits is an actual ministry and is an effective one, if the house is then appropriately filled. Would you agree with this?
Yes, I would agree if I was "at peace with going to war".
For me, it is easy to give a show of strength, the hard part is to walk away from the conflict despite the fact that you know you have the strength to fight.
A house divided will not stand, I myself prefer just the Spirit of Peace, not a spirit "at peace with going to war"
But this is just my opinion of how I feel and what I believe we are to become
Quote from: Age-enduring on December 11, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Thank you for the challenge people. My spirit agrees with your responses. It is all too easy to get dragged down to lower things.
I think I was identifying that casting out spirits is an actual ministry and is an effective one, if the house is then appropriately filled. Would you agree with this?
..Yes I would.
Quote from: jugghead on December 11, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: Age-enduring on December 11, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Thank you for the challenge people. My spirit agrees with your responses. It is all too easy to get dragged down to lower things.
I think I was identifying that casting out spirits is an actual ministry and is an effective one, if the house is then appropriately filled. Would you agree with this?
Yes, I would agree if I was "at peace with going to war".
For me, it is easy to give a show of strength, the hard part is to walk away from the conflict despite the fact that you know you have the strength to fight.
A house divided will not stand, I myself prefer just the Spirit of Peace, not a spirit "at peace with going to war"
But this is just my opinion of how I feel and what I believe we are to become
I agree! I think it's good if we can 'wage war' on other's account, but in a spirit of peace.. like speaking "peace" calmly over a place or situation, "in the name of Jesus".
If I come under attack it's the same.. maybe even picture literal words on a situation, peace.. love..
I think the deepest darkness called tartarus is the murderous spirit, whether a person falls to those depths, which happens obviously in the world and history, or the angels who left their first place.. and Paul said in one place offering to idols or 'the gods' was to make offering to demons.. And yes those most ancient nations were quite vicious and barbaric.. like 'the gods' they sought to please or appease or make war with.. and I think the angels/messengers who left their first place (Greek, orbit) are extremely vicious and murderous, and never come around to bless.
Mostly I think they threaten, or tempt.. or try to drag down.. play all angles and sides to all things, but if we resist them, they flee. :gsmile:
Again, thanks for wonderful replies.
Interestingly, I've not been able to get on here for a few days - my browser said the connection was unsafe. But then this morning it's fine. So, who knows...
It's a thin line between warring and standing firm, and I feel that faith tips the balance of our view / interpretation of the 'how' of what is to be done.
:cloud9: I was taken through what I call the "Lord's boot camp" for the first 3 years of my walk, with the friend He raised up with me. Deliverance became what we did, day in and day out, with His leading. The body has for the most part, lost the understanding of root and fruit. The reason murder is the same as hate is because hate is the root of murder, the fruit. Same for idolatry (root) and stubbornness (fruit), and lust (root) and adultery (fruit), rebellion (root) and witchcraft (fruit). The root is ALWAYS a spirit, the fruit is the outward manifestation of that spirit's nature, same as the fruit of His Spirit manifests His nature. Deliverance is the beginning of sanctification that the Holy Ghost leads us though, if we are pressing in to know Him. He searches the dark places in the heart of man, if we submit to it, and His fire consumes them. If you insist on hanging onto them, the fire will still come (eventually) only instead of JUST consuming them, it will also consume you and you will suffer loss (chaff, wood, stubble). Better if you submit of your own free will and as a result of wanting to do that which pleases Him, than go through judgment that makes you cry "uncle". Yeshua rebuked the Pharisees for only cleaning the outside of the cup (our heart), and the same will be our reward if we do not allow Him to clean our cup. Blessings....
Amen, He has spoken it clearly, over and over through the prophets.. Dissolution, decay cannot be a forever condition. A fallen world (the collective) and a fallen, unclean or cleansed heart, cannot endure (be/exist) forever. His will - and attribute, character, etc. - is perfection. I think it is the “iron rod” Jesus (Y’shua) will rule with. It is the unbreakable rule/rod/measure of life. Disobedience/imperfection - “missing the mark” results in / the “wages of” is death. Ruin (apocalypse, the ruin unveiled) and trouble/tribulation, and then “perishing” is the fruit of it. I have to think because God is life itself.. what else would/could be..? And He “is perfect” Mt.5:48, so imperfection is the opposite of life. How do you create genuinely able to think and readon beings, AND, keep paradise/perfection intact? I guess you put that tree of knowing both good and evil in the garden of life.. and engineer all things so “all in heaven and earth” (every, all, the whole) take this unavoidable journey/lesson all together at once.. Everything “coming up from the washing”.. Stamped with His character and essence - love. Everything forever a ‘trinity’ of Father, Most High, the Son forever Lord, and the individual-a speck in comparison. His law, love written upon every heart (with His very finger? poetically speaking). And written in every molecule of “all” beings and things.. in and upon all our spirit dna..
“...The restoration/restitution of ALL things” into His pristine perfection and purity.. which when the Son, all things having been subdued under His feet, hands the “all” back to the Father, who is that consuming/purifying fire (looks like a lake of fire to John? At which time the messengers/angels locked into deepest darkness, the murderous spirit, the legendary Tartarus - are cleansed? “Created for the devil and his angels) during the second death, the death of death? The first death being of (and in) Adam-(as a famous Christian Universalist has written).. But humans can be in the (what looked to John like a) lake of fire which occurs at the Lord’s return/appearing. I am thinking these things in part because of how the burning of Sodom is our example of ‘everlasting’ (a duration of) burning.. But which I finally realized is not a place at all. But was an event. :faint:
Hey Cardinal, I apologize if I already asked you this but did you and your friend who He raised up with you come to believe UR at around the same time? Was UR revealed to your friend in a similiar way as it was to you in your vision?
Thanks
Andrew
:cloud9: I don't remember how He showed her, but He did show her at some point. He has pretty consistently kept us on the same page all these years, even with large gaps of not sharing with one another. Blessings...
HI Cardinal,
There has been a thought provoking "twins" theme throughout my life. Would you say that you and your friend could be described as twins in some ways? If so, I would love to hear why you would think that is the case and some examples of ways that you see the two of you as twins? You can PM if you consider this too off topic.
Thanks
Andrew
A fellow Christian told me that two is the number of confirmation, so when she sees things twice, has the same dream twice, etc it is God reinforcing or confirming a message.