I'm working some things concerning the kingdom of God..........physical....spiritual ect. Why Pentecost? Is Pentecost the start of the "Son of man coming in power"? Is it the fulfillment of the "Son of man coming in power"?
Personally I don't like that it is on a religious day.......my bias, that God will heal, I'm sure.
I enjoyed this article:
http://hilltopshepherd.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/why-pentecost/
So this is interesting.
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B. Torah Festival. In later Judaism (two centuries before Christ) Pentecost was seven weeks to the day after the Passover Sabbath to celebrate the giving of the Law at Sinai where God had made a people for Himself. Akin to our Independence Day.
http://www.fatherpius.littleway.ca/ref03.html
Celebrating the giving of the law...........the new law of Spirit written on the heart. Was Jesus Crucified on Passover? It seems that I remember something like that from past studies.
Moses got the law during Pentecost. Lots of fire was involved.
Also keep in mind 50 is 7x7 (7 weeks) + 1
Quote from: ed on October 10, 2014, 05:24:25 PM
So this is interesting.
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B. Torah Festival. In later Judaism (two centuries before Christ) Pentecost was seven weeks to the day after the Passover Sabbath to celebrate the giving of the Law at Sinai where God had made a people for Himself. Akin to our Independence Day.
http://www.fatherpius.littleway.ca/ref03.html
Celebrating the giving of the law...........the new law of Spirit written on the heart. Was Jesus Crucified on Passover? It seems that I remember something like that from past studies.
It is a type and picture of the betrothal of the man to his woman, with the giving of the torah as the marriage ketubah. What is interesting about this is that the outward torah written and given at Sinai was about man's obligation toward their God, which would be akin to what the woman would do for her man...i.e. (The congregation of Israel says, 'All that you have said we will do'.)
The new covenant however, what you wrote as the new law of Spirit written on the heart, is all about God's obligation to man, which would be akin to what the man would do for the woman...(note the 5 'I will' statements in Jer 31:33, 34 concerning the first 'I will' of cutting a covenant with them.)
This is fascinating to me because all ketubah's in Jewish weddings only record the husbands obligations to his wife, nothing is written concerning her obligations toward him. So the marriage contract, if you will, the ketubah, given at Sinai had a hidden hint of failure attached to it, since it was not written the way ketubah's are written. I believe this was by the design of the Creator, where the ketubah he truly intended all along, the one given at Shavuot, with him being rightly given the ultimate responsibility, guarantees the outcome in the end for all who make up his bride.
And yes, Yeshua died on Pesach, at the exact day and hour given.
Shavuot also pictures the gathering of the wheat harvest, part of the bread necessary to complete the supper of the Lamb.
An actual Ketubah wriiten during the return of the Babylonian exile. (one of) the oldest ever found.
On...[date]...of the King, said As-hor the son of Teos, builder to the king, to Mahseia, an Aramaean of Seyne belong-ing to the quarter of Warizath, saying: I came to thy house that thou give me thy daughter Miphtahya to wife. She is my wife and I am her husband from this day and forever. I have given thee as a marriage settlement for they daugh-ter Miphtahya the sum of five shekels royal standard; it is accepted by thee and thy heart is content therewith. I have delivered unto the hand of thy daughter Miphtahya as money for an outfit 1 karash 2 shekels...1 woolen robe, new, striped, dyed on both sides...There is accepted by me and my heart is content therewith 1 couch of reeds with 4 sup-ports of stone...1 cosmetic box of ivory, new. If tomorrow or any other day, As-hor shall die having no issue whether male or female by Miphtahya his wife, Miphtahya shall have full right over the house of As-hor and his goods and chattels and all that he has on the face of the earth without exception. If tomorrow or any other day, Miphtahya shall stand up in the congregation and say: I divorce As-hor my husband, the price of divorce shall be on her head; she shall return to the scales and she shall weigh for As-hor the sum of five shekels (6?) and two d., and all which I have deliv-ered unto her she shall give back, both string and thread, in one day at one time, and she shall go away withersoever she will and no suit or process shall ensue. And if he shall rise up against Miphtahya to drive her away from the house of As-hor and his goods and his chattels, he shall pay the sum of 20 kebhes and this deed shall be annulled, and I shall have not power to say: I have another wife than Miphtahya and other children than the children which Miphtahya shall bear to me. If I shall say I have children and a wife other than Miphtahya and her children, I shall pay to Miphta-hya the sum of 20 kebhes royal standard, and I shall have no power to take away my goods and my chattels from Miphtahya. And if I shall have removed them from her...[erasure]...I will pay Miphtahya the sum of 20 kebhes royal standard. Nathan the son of Ananiah has written this deed at the dictation of As-hor, and the witnesses thereto are Penuliah the son of Jezaniah, Jezaniah the son of Uriah, Menaichem the son of Saccur: Witnesses."
Was Pentecost the beginning of this Kingdom?
Danial 7:
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away , and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed .
This festival Pentecost is known by several names that derive from its meaning and timing. Also known as the Feast of Harvest (Exodus 23:16), it represents the firstfruits (Numbers 28:26) gathered as the result of the labor of those who completed the spring grain harvests in ancient Israel (Exodus 23:16). It is also called the Feast of Weeks (Exodus 34:22), with this name coming from the seven weeks plus one day (50 days in all) that are counted to determine when to celebrate this festival (Leviticus 23:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, this festival is known as Pentecost (Pentekostos in the original), which means "fiftieth" (W.E. Vine, Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1985, "Pentecost"). But Pentecost doesn't just picture the giving of the law; it also shows—through a great miracle that occurred on the first Pentecost in the early Church—how we can persist in living by the spiritual intent of God's laws.
God chose the first Pentecost after Jesus Christ's resurrection to pour out His Holy Spirit on 120 believers (Acts 1:15). "Now when the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues [languages], as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:1-4). These astounding events demonstrated the presence of the Holy Spirit. The apostle Peter, now filled with the Holy Spirit, boldly explained the event to the crowd as a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh" (Acts 2:17; Joel 2:28). God used these miracles and Peter's preaching to add 3,000 people to His Church in one day. These converts were all baptized and received the Holy Spirit (verses 40-41. The Day or Feast of Pentecost is an annual reminder that God poured out His Spirit to establish His Church, the group of believers who are led by His Spirit. Firstfruits are the first agricultural products to mature and ripen. Throughout the Bible, God uses the analogy of the harvest—and, particularly on Pentecost, firstfruits—to illustrate aspects of His plan of salvation. Israel observed this day in the late spring after the barley and wheat harvests. A special offering of the first ripe grain during the Days of Unleavened Bread, called the wave-sheaf offering, marked the beginning of these harvests, which continued during the next 50 days and led up to Pentecost (Leviticus 23:11). This spring harvest was the firstfruits of the yearly agricultural cycle. One of the first harvest lessons of the New Testament is that Jesus Christ "is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep" (1 Corinthians 15:20). The wave-sheaf offering represented Jesus Christ, who was the "firstborn over all creation" and the "firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:15, 18). He presented Himself to God the Father on the Sunday after His resurrection, the same day during the Days of Unleavened Bread on which the first sheaf of grain of the spring harvest was to be waved before God. Pentecost, being the first harvest is followed in the autumn season by the fall harvest called the Feast of Tabernacles, which begins a large harvest of humanity.
Quote from: ed on October 10, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
Was Pentecost the beginning of this Kingdom?
Danial 7:
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away , and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed .
:thumbsup: Luke 1:33 : 2Sa 7:16; Ps 89:3, 4; Isa 9:7; Jer 33:17; Da 2:44; 7:14, 27; Mic 4:7; Heb 1:8
Quote from: joeteekay on October 10, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
This festival Pentecost is known by several names that derive from its meaning and timing. Also known as the Feast of Harvest (Exodus 23:16), it represents the firstfruits (Numbers 28:26)
I think, the second first fruits.
The first first fruits was shortly after Passover. It was the harvest of barley which was planted
70 days earlier.
The barley was beaten out of it's hulls without breaking it. Roasted without burning it.
Pentecost was the celebration of the second harvest. Wheat. Imo the highlights of this feast were the offering of 2 loaves of bread. Lots of symbolism behind them. The loaves contained leaven which is very odd when compared to other feasts. The loaves were also prepared complexity separately. The wheat for both loaves was harvested and prepared separately. Dough was prepared separately. Baking was done separately.
A lot of symbolism in the above :2c:
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 10, 2014, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: joeteekay on October 10, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
This festival Pentecost is known by several names that derive from its meaning and timing. Also known as the Feast of Harvest (Exodus 23:16), it represents the firstfruits (Numbers 28:26)
I think, the second first fruits.
The first first fruits was shortly after Passover. It was the harvest of barley which was planted 70 days earlier.
The barley was beaten out of it's hulls without breaking it. Roasted without burning it.
Pentecost was the celebration of the second harvest. Wheat. Imo the highlights of this feast were the offering of 2 loaves of bread. Lots of symbolism behind them. The loaves contained leaven which is very odd when compared to other feasts. The loaves were also prepared complexity separately. The wheat for both loaves was harvested and prepared separately. Dough was prepared separately. Baking was done separately.
A lot of symbolism in the above :2c:
You are correct WW. The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) was the second harvest of the first part of the year. It was a wheat harvest, whereas the first harvest was a barley harvest.
The first harvest was the wave-sheaf offering and is a type and shadow of one aspect of Jesus Christ's role in mankind's salvation.
The agricultural cycle of ancient Israel revolved around two harvests, one in the spring and the other in the autumn. Before any grain could be harvested in the spring, an unusual ceremony took place to inaugurate the spring harvest season.
This ceremony was the waving of the first sheaf of grain to be accepted by God. Instructions for this ceremony are detailed in Leviticus:23:10-14.
No one was to eat any of the grain of the harvest until the first sheaf of the harvest was brought to the priest, who in turn waved it before God.
All of the biblically ordained festivals are related to the harvest seasons in the Holy Land. Their purpose is to reveal the proper sequence of events and the key elements of God's salvation plan—His "harvest" of human beings to immortality.
What was the significance of this wave-sheaf offering ceremony?
What is the connection between the first grain offering, called the firstfruits, and Jesus Christ, the firstfruits and firstborn from the dead?
This understanding is tied in with the symbolism of the two harvests and the Feast of Pentecost, observed at the conclusion of 50 days that began with the day of the wave-sheaf offering. On Pentecost, two loaves were offered from the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, which followed several weeks after the barley harvest.
Why two leavened loaves on Pentecost? They represent the firstfruits, Christ's Elect. The leaven represents sin in our lives, as all have sinned. Why two? I do not know. Some have speculated it represents ths saints in the two eons. Some have speculated one is repetitive of males, the other of females.
:mshrug: :mshrug: :dontknow:
The word firstfruits suggests an initial harvest that will be followed by another harvest. The firstfruits of the wheat harvest are preceded by the wave-sheaf offering of the earlier-ripening barley harvest. The wave sheaf is symbolic of Jesus Christ.
Pentecost deals directly with our salvation, our ability to follow Christ's example through the power of God's Holy Spirit and our capacity for understanding God's spiritual truth.
Jesus Christ's preeminence as the first of a larger body of "firstfruits" is incredibly significant. The apostle John, referring to a particular segment of God's faithful servants, describes them as "redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb".
All of the symbolism of the physical wave-sheaf offering was fulfilled in reality by Jesus "that He might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Romans:8:29.
The Bible uses several analogies that compare salvation and God's Kingdom to a harvest.
:gthumbsup: :2thumbs:
Good stuff !!!
heads are ripe for harvest !!
John 4
31And in the midst of these things his disciples were begging him and were saying to him, "Our Master, eat."
32But he said to them, "I have food to eat of which you do not know."
33The disciples were saying among themselves, "Did someone bring him something to eat?"
34Yeshua said to them, "My personal food is that I do the will of him who has sent me and finish His work.
35Do you not say, 'After four months the harvest comes?'
Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and behold the fields that are white and are ready to harvest even now.
36And whoever reaps receives wages and he gathers fruit for life eternal and the sower and reaper shall rejoice together.
37For in this is a word of truth, that 'One sows and another reaps.'
38I sent you to harvest something in which you were not laboring, for another labored and you have entered upon their labors."
Quote from: joeteekay on October 12, 2014, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 10, 2014, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: joeteekay on October 10, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
This festival Pentecost is known by several names that derive from its meaning and timing. Also known as the Feast of Harvest (Exodus 23:16), it represents the firstfruits (Numbers 28:26)
I think, the second first fruits.
The first first fruits was shortly after Passover. It was the harvest of barley which was planted 70 days earlier.
The barley was beaten out of it's hulls without breaking it. Roasted without burning it.
Pentecost was the celebration of the second harvest. Wheat. Imo the highlights of this feast were the offering of 2 loaves of bread. Lots of symbolism behind them. The loaves contained leaven which is very odd when compared to other feasts. The loaves were also prepared complexity separately. The wheat for both loaves was harvested and prepared separately. Dough was prepared separately. Baking was done separately.
A lot of symbolism in the above :2c:
s and the key elements of God's salvation plan—His "harvest" of human beings to immortality.
What was the significance of this wave-sheaf offering ceremony?
What is the connection between the first grain offering, called the firstfruits, and Jesus Christ, the firstfruits and firstborn from the dead?
Why two leavened loaves on Pentecost? They represent the firstfruits, Christ's Elect.
I think the barley harvest reprents the elect and 1st resurrection.
QuoteThe leaven represents sin in our lives, as all have sinned. Why two? I do not know. Some have speculated it represents ths saints in the two eons
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I speculate it are the two olive trees. Jews and former pagans (Christians).
I think that the totally separate preparing of the loaves testifies to that.
quote]All of the symbolism of the physical wave-sheaf offering[/quote]Just a short note. wave sheave never existed. its a faulty Christian. translation.
It's called presenting the omer.
it was a bowl filled. with parched grain.
Omer is a measurement. a 10th of a epah.
Why Pentecost? Well according to a TV preacher here it is.
There was no church before Pentecost(disregard Act. 7:38) He said the church began in Acts 2, when the speaking of tongues happened......that is the church, and more less let the Holy Spirit in and speak in tongues. And then he began to shout, The church began in Act 2 and it ain't Through!And it rimes! Act 2 and it ain't through!
So now you know why Pentecost. If you want to know who this guy is ask me.
No thanks, I don't care who he is, but I think the church started with the Roman Empire intentionally mistranslating the Greek "ekklesia" as "church" instead of "ecclesia."
Quote from: Tom on October 13, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
No thanks, I don't care who he is, but I think the church started with the Roman Empire intentionally mistranslating the Greek "ekklesia" as "church" instead of "ecclesia."
Just wondering, wouldn't Israel being "called out" of Egypt be a beginning. Anyway I just posted what I did because when I saw the OP I thought of that preacher and the day was very close to the post. I have no desire to off track the OP. It was just a :2c:'s piece.
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 13, 2014, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: Tom on October 13, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
No thanks, I don't care who he is, but I think the church started with the Roman Empire intentionally mistranslating the Greek "ekklesia" as "church" instead of "ecclesia."
Just wondering, wouldn't Israel being "called out" of Egypt be a beginning. Anyway I just posted what I did because when I saw the OP I thought of that preacher and the day was very close to the post. I have no desire to off track the OP. It was just a :2c:'s piece.
No problem, bro. I realize Pentecostal folks like to believe their Pentecostal Church started with the mighty wind rushing into that upper room, but I think it started with the Azusa Street Revival.
Quote from: ed on October 10, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
I'm working some things concerning the kingdom of God..........physical....spiritual ect. Why Pentecost? Is Pentecost the start of the "Son of man coming in power"? Is it the fulfillment of the "Son of man coming in power"?
Personally I don't like that it is on a religious day.......my bias, that God will heal, I'm sure.
I enjoyed this article:
http://hilltopshepherd.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/why-pentecost/
"And at the fulfillment of the day of Pentecost they were all alike in the same place." (Acts 2:1)
"Pentecost is simply the Greek word "Fiftieth", because it was fifty days after the Passover. There were three festivals in Israel each year (Ex.23:14). The first was the feast of unleavened bread, after the Passover; the second, the feast of harvest, or first fruits (which is here called Pentecost because it was held seven weeks after the Passover), and the feast of ingathering. As the latter is a type of the time when all Israel shall be saved, so Pentecost is a picture of the salvation of a first fruit of the nation. This is what occurred, both on the day of Pentecost and during the entire period covered by this book (Jas.1:18)." (Concordant Commentary pg.179-Acts 2:1)
I think it's not 'simply' 50.
50 is also the number of years in a Jubilee cycle. --> All estates are returned to the original owner (slaves)
Imo it's not 50 but 49+1. Sure mathematically 49+1=50. That's a simple fact.
But it is 7 weeks (7 perfect sabbaths). 7 is the number of years in the Sabbath year cycle.
So I think there is a lot of deeper meaning packed in that number 50.
Pentecost is only a religious day, for the religious. It is a spiritual day, for the spiritual. I believe God chose it for the outpouring of the Spirit for several reasons.
For example, Why was the temple curtain torn when Jesus gave up the ghost?
Because God was speaking to the Jews.
In the same way, Because so many Jews from so many parts of the world would be in Jerusalem for Pentecost, I believe God timed the outpouring of the Spirit to "speak" to the Jews, and to send back into all those diverse communities Jews who had met their Messiah and were filled with the Holy Spirit and made ministers of reconciliation bearing "Good News".
God is a great tactician, and frequently kills many birds with one stone. While Christians seem to argue a lot, "was God doing this? or was God doing that?"- the answer is really, "God was doing all of this and that and more besides!" :laugh: