wedding garment

[mplsfitter539]

This is an interesting topic simply because people seem to differ so much on this one. Everyone seems to have their very own unique idea of what is a wedding garment? I would like to think that I know what it is and I am staying neutral by not saying what I think it is.

[dajomaco]

We will all be naked.

[dajomaco]

This is why a man leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife,
and they become one flesh.
25 Both the man and his wife were naked, yet felt no shame.

[mplsfitter539]

Matthew 22

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Notice here where the bible interprets itself where the wedding garment has a direct relationship to outer darkness and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

[sheila]

note...it is stipulated 'a man" among the many both good and bad....=tokogae=man of sin,son of pedition...or old man

  of sin in all people that is not properly clothed in Christ...

   the removal,also tied into..the wedding supper...the true words of God...with lies removed[spoken in name of God]

  also,same principal in wheat and tares...removal of tares..with the burning of them.


   all of these preceding..speaks of Him as a refiner,cleanser of people...the presenting spotless and blameless..as our

saviour. 

[Jock]

OK, I still don't understand what "outer darkness" is? I'm a bit dense so please humour me. It almost comes across as a place and that, without God.

Can somebody help me here?

Jock

[Molly]

The wedding garment is immortality.

Our nakedness is our mortality.

For this mortal must put on immortality... 1 Cor 15


I have a question and I'm just going to throw it in here--If you have the opportunity to help someone but it means hurting others, some innocent and  some guilty [if that matters]--what would you do?

Would you do nothing because it's better not to help than to hurt someone else?

Or would you help the one and hurt the others?

[Molly]

note...it is stipulated 'a man" among the many both good and bad....=tokogae=man of sin,son of pedition...or old man

  of sin in all people that is not properly clothed in Christ...

   the removal,also tied into..the wedding supper...the true words of God...with lies removed[spoken in name of God]

  also,same principal in wheat and tares...removal of tares..with the burning of them.


   all of these preceding..speaks of Him as a refiner,cleanser of people...the presenting spotless and blameless..as our

saviour.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

--Rom 13


"put ye on" [the Lord Jesus Christ]

G1746
ἐνδύω
enduō
en-doo'-o
From G1722 and G1416 (in the senese of sinking into a garment); to invest with clothing (literally or figuratively): - array, clothe (with), endue, have (put) on.

[rosered]

OK, I still don't understand what "outer darkness" is? I'm a bit dense so please humour me. It almost comes across as a place and that, without God.

Can somebody help me here?

Jock

Hi Jock , Everyone has their own    concept  of "outer darkness"

For me ,its easier  to understand   in this concept ,  like this 
what rewards are for obedience ?
a closer and protective and intimate relationship  with the Father and the Son  and the rewards of 30 , 60 100 , fold  in this life and  the promise of eternal life  and having the seal of God and Holy Spirit of truth the guide you , teach you and help you along the way ,under the proctetion of the Lords power and might , staying  clean ,pure .
 
now what are the rewards for disobedience ?   being cast into outer darkness , 
stumble , blind leading the  blind  ,   depart from me you worker of iniquity I dont know you , I belives its left in the dust to become serpents food [religious  rulers  prey]
  Others may have more to share   ,  just look under disobedience   in the Word  and see what those granted  are

[Molly]

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

--Isa 9



Luke 1:79 to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace."



Ephesians 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light.

[sheila]

well,  Isaaih 25;7   on this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare a fest for all the peoples,,a feast of rich food for

  all the people, a banquet of aged wine-the best of meats and the finest of wines..........

     ON THIS MOUNTAIN HE WILL DESTROY THE SHROUD THAT ENFOLDS ALL PEOPLES...

   that shroud is the deception of satan that deceives the whole earth.  the curtain was rent..with access to the Holy of Holies

  and intimacy with God... Those in the outer darkness do not enter in through Christ...He spoke....they do not enter

themselves..and hinder those who do[those blinded by the prince of this world]   Paul said..they are blinded for a time.

  and it is a decree of heaven that all men shall bear the image of the incorruptible one....the firstborn from the dead....


....surely the spiritually dead are in outer darkness....you have the 'quick' and the 'dead"  the last Adam is  a  'quickening

spirit"   this spirit 'quickens' mortal men with the spirit of eternal life in God.

   Jesus said..the hour comes when all men shall hear His voice and come forth from the grave....both the good and evil

  thus you have the good andbad at the wedding feast.....the man without a garment...as the 'evil" contrast is  cast outside

   lying spirits,murdering spirits,idolatrous spirits,fornicating spirits..all the wicked contrast elements are removed...

     Jesus Christ has the power by the finger of God to cast out wicked spirits from man..and He will and does do this for

  all men..as our saviour and deliverer.  The destruction of the ruler of this world whose works are wicked..and the

eternal reign of righteousness per the Kingdom of the love of His son...is great caue for rejoicing..and good news for

all the peoples..  The setting of captives and oppressed free,the binding up of the broken hearted...the recovery of sight

for the blind[those blinded by the prince of this world]


   the Lord appears again...seperate from sin...and when you see Him,you too,shall be just likeHIM,SEPERATE FROM SIN

  THERE SHALL BE NO SEEING THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY,BUT GREAT LIGHT! FOR THE SHROUD BE REMOVED

  OFF MAN.

   ARISE,SHINE FOR YOUR LIGHT HAS COME AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD RISES UPON YOU

   SEE DARKNESS COVERS THE EARTH AND THICK DARKNESS IS OVER THE PEOPLES

  BUT THE LORD RISES UPON YOU AND HIS GLORY APPEARS OVER YOU

[rosered]

The wedding garment is immortality.

Our nakedness is our mortality.

For this mortal must put on immortality... 1 Cor 15


I have a question and I'm just going to throw it in here--If you have the opportunity to help someone but it means hurting others, some innocent and  some guilty [if that matters]--what would you do?

Would you do nothing because it's better not to help than to hurt someone else?

Or would you help the one and hurt the others?

  Molly , Hi , you have to ask yourself   this question , Is it really helping them ? 

Sometimes no matter how much you help someone , they are going to always need help .
most learn from mistakes   from being shown mercy   and  , just as the woman caught in the act of adultery     , the Lord  said  this  to her   , after the other judges   we all convicted of sin in their own lives , they could not stone her according the the law   

But Jesus said neither do I judge you , BUT  GO and sin no more
 
If they are sorry  and do repent change their minds , they will not do  those things that  got them in a bind in the first place
Some just prey on others kindness  and always need your help   and they never learn  though suffering   for doing wrong because  they will get someone to bail them out  of it every time
  enabling  them  just   makes everyone suffer  loss  and they never change

  thats not always  the case , but  I do believe discernment  its what the Lord  is taking about in those cases .   
  I know  you pray about it , you will know  soon enough   what the Lord would have you to do .

[Molly]

well,  Isaaih 25;7   on this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare a fest for all the peoples,,a feast of rich food for

  all the people, a banquet of aged wine-the best of meats and the finest of wines..........

     ON THIS MOUNTAIN HE WILL DESTROY THE SHROUD THAT ENFOLDS ALL PEOPLES...

   that shroud is the deception of satan that deceives the whole earth.  the curtain was rent..with access to the Holy of Holies

  and intimacy with God... Those in the outer darkness do not enter in through Christ...He spoke....they do not enter

themselves..and hinder those who do[those blinded by the prince of this world]   Paul said..they are blinded for a time.

  and it is a decree of heaven that all men shall bear the image of the incorruptible one....the firstborn from the dead....


....surely the spiritually dead are in outer darkness....you have the 'quick' and the 'dead"  the last Adam is  a  'quickening

spirit"   this spirit 'quickens' mortal men with the spirit of eternal life in God.

   Jesus said..the hour comes when all men shall hear His voice and come forth from the grave....both the good and evil

  thus you have the good andbad at the wedding feast.....the man without a garment...as the 'evil" contrast is  cast outside

   lying spirits,murdering spirits,idolatrous spirits,fornicating spirits..all the wicked contrast elements are removed...

     Jesus Christ has the power by the finger of God to cast out wicked spirits from man..and He will and does do this for

  all men..as our saviour and deliverer.  The destruction of the ruler of this world whose works are wicked..and the

eternal reign of righteousness per the Kingdom of the love of His son...is great caue for rejoicing..and good news for

all the peoples..  The setting of captives and oppressed free,the binding up of the broken hearted...the recovery of sight

for the blind[those blinded by the prince of this world]


   the Lord appears again...seperate from sin...and when you see Him,you too,shall be just likeHIM,SEPERATE FROM SIN

  THERE SHALL BE NO SEEING THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY,BUT GREAT LIGHT! FOR THE SHROUD BE REMOVED

  OFF MAN.

   ARISE,SHINE FOR YOUR LIGHT HAS COME AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD RISES UPON YOU

   SEE DARKNESS COVERS THE EARTH AND THICK DARKNESS IS OVER THE PEOPLES

  BUT THE LORD RISES UPON YOU AND HIS GLORY APPEARS OVER YOU

9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

--Isa 40



Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

--Isa 60



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU6TzPvxrh8

[Molly]

The wedding garment is immortality.

Our nakedness is our mortality.

For this mortal must put on immortality... 1 Cor 15


I have a question and I'm just going to throw it in here--If you have the opportunity to help someone but it means hurting others, some innocent and  some guilty [if that matters]--what would you do?

Would you do nothing because it's better not to help than to hurt someone else?

Or would you help the one and hurt the others?

  Molly , Hi , you have to ask yourself   this question , Is it really helping them ? 

Sometimes no matter how much you help someone , they are going to always need help .
most learn from mistakes   from being shown mercy   and  , just as the woman caught in the act of adultery     , the Lord  said  this  to her   , after the other judges   we all convicted of sin in their own lives , they could not stone her according the the law   

But Jesus said neither do I judge you , BUT  GO and sin no more
 
If they are sorry  and do repent change their minds , they will not do  those things that  got them in a bind in the first place
Some just prey on others kindness  and always need your help   and they never learn  though suffering   for doing wrong because  they will get someone to bail them out  of it every time
  enabling  them  just   makes everyone suffer  loss  and they never change

  thats not always  the case , but  I do believe discernment  its what the Lord  is taking about in those cases .   
  I know  you pray about it , you will know  soon enough   what the Lord would have you to do .

Thanks, rosered.   :HeartThrob:

[Molly]

OK, I still don't understand what "outer darkness" is? I'm a bit dense so please humour me. It almost comes across as a place and that, without God.

Can somebody help me here?

Jock

It's the valley of the shadow of death--where we are now--well, where we were before Christ.



4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

-Psa 23

[rosered]

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

--Isa 9



Luke 1:79 to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace."



Ephesians 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light.

good ones  here is another 

Jesus Is the Light of the World
12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life


  the Light of Life  !    and outer darkness
   must mean  still in  death  , and   cast out of   the Lords  house finding more wicked spirits  to bind with .

  better to have never known the righteousness  of God  because   the last state of that man is worse than the first

   2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.





Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from where I came out; and when he is come, he finds  [it] empty, swept, and garnished.Then goes he, and takes with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. 

[rosered]

OK, I still don't understand what "outer darkness" is? I'm a bit dense so please humour me. It almost comes across as a place and that, without God.

Can somebody help me here?

Jock

It's the valley of the shadow of death--where we are now--well, where we were before Christ.



4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

-Psa 23

yes !! perfectly said , well done !!   my computer is downloading  and so slow  ,it took forever for this above reply  lol ... :iagree:     same things said !!!

[rosered]

well,  Isaaih 25;7   on this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare a fest for all the peoples,,a feast of rich food for

  all the people, a banquet of aged wine-the best of meats and the finest of wines..........

     ON THIS MOUNTAIN HE WILL DESTROY THE SHROUD THAT ENFOLDS ALL PEOPLES...

   that shroud is the deception of satan that deceives the whole earth.  the curtain was rent..with access to the Holy of Holies

  and intimacy with God... Those in the outer darkness do not enter in through Christ...He spoke....they do not enter

themselves..and hinder those who do[those blinded by the prince of this world]   Paul said..they are blinded for a time.

  and it is a decree of heaven that all men shall bear the image of the incorruptible one....the firstborn from the dead....


....surely the spiritually dead are in outer darkness....you have the 'quick' and the 'dead"  the last Adam is  a  'quickening

spirit"   this spirit 'quickens' mortal men with the spirit of eternal life in God.

   Jesus said..the hour comes when all men shall hear His voice and come forth from the grave....both the good and evil

  thus you have the good andbad at the wedding feast.....the man without a garment...as the 'evil" contrast is  cast outside

   lying spirits,murdering spirits,idolatrous spirits,fornicating spirits..all the wicked contrast elements are removed...

     Jesus Christ has the power by the finger of God to cast out wicked spirits from man..and He will and does do this for

  all men..as our saviour and deliverer.  The destruction of the ruler of this world whose works are wicked..and the

eternal reign of righteousness per the Kingdom of the love of His son...is great caue for rejoicing..and good news for

all the peoples..  The setting of captives and oppressed free,the binding up of the broken hearted...the recovery of sight

for the blind[those blinded by the prince of this world]


   the Lord appears again...seperate from sin...and when you see Him,you too,shall be just likeHIM,SEPERATE FROM SIN

  THERE SHALL BE NO SEEING THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY,BUT GREAT LIGHT! FOR THE SHROUD BE REMOVED

  OFF MAN.

   ARISE,SHINE FOR YOUR LIGHT HAS COME AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD RISES UPON YOU

   SEE DARKNESS COVERS THE EARTH AND THICK DARKNESS IS OVER THE PEOPLES

  BUT THE LORD RISES UPON YOU AND HIS GLORY APPEARS OVER YOU

9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

--Isa 40



Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

--Isa 60



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU6TzPvxrh8

   :HeartThrob: :iagree:  love both replies  :thumbsup:

[rosered]

This is an interesting topic simply because people seem to differ so much on this one. Everyone seems to have their very own unique idea of what is a wedding garment? I would like to think that I know what it is and I am staying neutral by not saying what I think it is.

I have always thought the wedding garment is  being clothed with Christ ,
  the Bride /true church  being  joined to Christ   is described as those  "is the righteousness of saints" 

  How does one become righteous  but by the Blood of Jesus Christ /Lamb of God  by coming out of the great tribulation  ,   going in  as Joshua  did in   ZECH 3 and changed though God  removing the iniquity  !
   Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir,you know . And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.  
  I put it here to read , without having to look it up
3 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and [a]Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. 2 The Lord said to Satan, "The Lord rebuke you, Satan! Indeed, the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?" 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments and standing before the angel.


4 He spoke and said to those who were standing before him, saying, "Remove the filthy garments from him." Again he said to him, "See, I have taken your iniquity away from you and will clothe you with festal robes."


5 Then I said, "Let them put a clean turban on his head." So they put a clean turban on his head and clothed him with garments, while the angel of the Lord was standing by.


6 And the angel of the Lord admonished Joshua, saying, 7 "Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'If you will walk in My ways and if you will perform My service, then you will also govern My house and also have charge of My courts, and I will grant you free access among these who are standing here.
comparing scripture with scriptures   

[mplsfitter539]

The wedding garment is immortality.

Our nakedness is our mortality.

For this mortal must put on immortality... 1 Cor 15


I have a question and I'm just going to throw it in here--If you have the opportunity to help someone but it means hurting others, some innocent and  some guilty [if that matters]--what would you do?

Would you do nothing because it's better not to help than to hurt someone else?
one
Or would you help the one and hurt the others?

Molly thank you for this reply. I agree that the garment is immortality.

As you can see there are many opinions on this. I didn't know if I would find anyone else who agreed on this.

[dajomaco]

The wedding celebration.

The man thrown out was the man in charge of the
temple and in charge of the sacrifices offered in the temple.

We do not bring our own clothes, we show up naked.
It is during the actual wedding vows that we are clothed with immortality.

The man thrown out of the wedding banquet is Satan.
IMO.

[lastpost]

"...Who are these which are arrayed in white robes? and from what condition (pothen) came they?..." "...These are they which came out of (erchomai) great affliction and anguish (thlipsis), and have washed (actively) their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

I understand these "robes" to be the spiritual body (in contrast to the natural body) which has become purified through suffering by following the Way and the Truth laid down by Christ, which is moral and noble in the truest spiritual sense. These are the "robes" which "clothe" the spirit within which was made out of the Image of God in the beginning. Robes which once were dirty but now are clean, because the spiritual body must become "fashioned unto the likeness of Christ" - and He has ordained all shall attain such in due time.

This designates a process of spiritualisation so as to negate the absurdity of a belief that a man's life lived in foul grossness and utter debauchery from beginning to end does not become instantly transported to a spiritualised heaven by simply accepting, on his death bed, a metaphysical notion of salvation in his mind - a spiritual state to where those who, through tribulation, have attained no less.

Christ showed the Way, simple, uncomplicated, clear, pure - but man chooses to avoid it by surrounding it with dogmas of which He never spoke or never intended should be attributed to Him.

[mplsfitter539]

Jock,
Matthew 25
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

This is the parable of the talents. In verse thirty the unworthy slave is cast into outer darkness. Outer darkness exists right now and many are in it. Most here at Tentmaker are not in it (outer darkness). One thing I have learned is that seeking God every minute of every day will keep you from being in the "outer darkness" :banana:

[Jock]

mplsfitter539. Seeking God every minute of every day is impossible unless it is in the heart. In my heart, I seek him (pray without ceasing). God actually keeps me by His love and power, almost like a tractor beam in Star Wars. Is that what you mean?
:Peace2:

[Jock]

I tend to believe that outer darkness is "spiritual blindness". Saul was struck blind on the road to Damascus. It took God to send Ananias to lay hands on him.


And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I [am here], Lord. 
Act 9:11   And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for [one] called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 
Act 9:12   And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting [his] hand on him, that he might receive his sight. 
Act 9:13   Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:  Act 9:14   And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 
Act 9:15   But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 
Act 9:16   For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

The Lord can forgive sin and restore a man's sight, not only to see physically, but to see in Spirit. Glory to God.