Selling Your Soul to the Devil?

[KingKenny]

Hi folks,

Again, this could descend into a 'is the devil symbolic' or not discussion, but the topic is more along the lines of myths and legends.

Is it possible for this to happen i.e. Robert Johnson (blues guitarist), the Devil's Bible & the monk, or not?

God says 'all souls are mine', and I ask because of the prospective talents offered to people like the above mentioned in exchange for their 'souls'?

I

[Tom]

Hi folks,

Again, this could descend into a 'is the devil symbolic' or not discussion, but the topic is more along the lines of myths and legends.

Is it possible for this to happen i.e. Robert Johnson (blues guitarist), the Devil's Bible & the monk, or not?

God says 'all souls are mine', and I ask because of the prospective talents offered to people like the above mentioned in exchange for their 'souls'?

I

The soul is the sensation resulting from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit.

"And forming is Yahweh Elohim the human of soil from the ground, and He is blowing into his nostrils the breath of the living, and becoming is the human a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

The common concept of "the devil" with horns and hooves is not scriptural. The Concordant Version doesn't even use the word "devil."

"Satan," Hebrew for "Adversary," also known as "the Adversary," "the dragon," "the ancient serpent," "the Slanderer," and "the chief of the jurisdiction of the air" is head of the forces of evil.

God created evil and controls Satan.

"Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

"I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it." (Ecclesiastes 1:13)

God gives Satan power to try us (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7), but Satan will eventually lose that power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

Paul gave up "Hymeneus and Alexander...to Satan, that they may be trained not to calumniate." (1 Timothy 1:20)

I don't believe the so called "devil" is "symbolic" as you said some may say because scripture speaks of Satan as a real spirit being. Scripture indicates there are many invisible spirit beings. God is invisible, but Christ is God's image (2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15).

"There is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus, Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all" (1 Timothy 2:6)

Paul says he's a slave of Christ Jesus and a slave of God, but some folks seem to be slaves of Satan.

Can you sell your soul to Satan? I think you can be deceived into thinking Satan will do you some good, but you will find out the hard way that his promises are a trap. We all deal with this. It's called sin. 

Satan can't do you any good. Satan is a liar and a deceiver. Satan provides an experience of enchantment and delusion. That's how folks get addicted to various chemicals.

God is spirit that is the power of action, life, and intelligence. Only the spirit of God provides "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control" (Galatians 5:22).

Don't believe Satan no matter what he promises because it's a lie.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/WhatIsTheSoul.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/TheSoulAndTheUnseen.html

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[VineBranch]

Hi folks,

Again, this could descend into a 'is the devil symbolic' or not discussion, but the topic is more along the lines of myths and legends.

Is it possible for this to happen i.e. Robert Johnson (blues guitarist), the Devil's Bible & the monk, or not?

God says 'all souls are mine', and I ask because of the prospective talents offered to people like the above mentioned in exchange for their 'souls'?

I

The soul is the sensation resulting from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit.

"And forming is Yahweh Elohim the human of soil from the ground, and He is blowing into his nostrils the breath of the living, and becoming is the human a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

The common concept of "the devil" with horns and hooves is not scriptural. The Concordant Version doesn't even use the word "devil."

"Satan," Hebrew for "Adversary," also known as "the Adversary," "the dragon," "the ancient serpent," "the Slanderer," and "the chief of the jurisdiction of the air" is head of the forces of evil.

God created evil and controls Satan.

"Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

"I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it." (Ecclesiastes 1:13)

God gives Satan power to try us (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7), but Satan will eventually lose that power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

Paul gave up "Hymeneus and Alexander...to Satan, that they may be trained not to calumniate." (1 Timothy 1:20)

I don't believe the so called "devil" is "symbolic" as you said some may say because scripture speaks of Satan as a real spirit being. Scripture indicates there are many invisible spirit beings. God is invisible, but Christ is God's image.

"There is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus, Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all" (1 Timothy 2:6)

Paul says he's a slave of Christ Jesus and a slave of God, but some folks seem to be slaves of Satan.

Can you sell your soul to Satan? I think you can be deceived into thinking Satan will do you some good, but you will find out the hard way that his promises are a trap. We all deal with this. It's called sin. 

Satan can't do you any good. Satan is a liar and a deceiver. Satan provides an experience of enchantment and delusion. That's how folks get addicted to various chemicals.

God is spirit that is the power of action, life, and intelligence. Only the spirit of God provides "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control" (Galatians 5:22).

Don't believe Satan no matter what he promises because it's a lie.

So ... no?

[Tom]

Hi folks,

Again, this could descend into a 'is the devil symbolic' or not discussion, but the topic is more along the lines of myths and legends.

Is it possible for this to happen i.e. Robert Johnson (blues guitarist), the Devil's Bible & the monk, or not?

God says 'all souls are mine', and I ask because of the prospective talents offered to people like the above mentioned in exchange for their 'souls'?

I

The soul is the sensation resulting from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit.

"And forming is Yahweh Elohim the human of soil from the ground, and He is blowing into his nostrils the breath of the living, and becoming is the human a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

The common concept of "the devil" with horns and hooves is not scriptural. The Concordant Version doesn't even use the word "devil."

"Satan," Hebrew for "Adversary," also known as "the Adversary," "the dragon," "the ancient serpent," "the Slanderer," and "the chief of the jurisdiction of the air" is head of the forces of evil.

God created evil and controls Satan.

"Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

"I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it." (Ecclesiastes 1:13)

God gives Satan power to try us (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7), but Satan will eventually lose that power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

Paul gave up "Hymeneus and Alexander...to Satan, that they may be trained not to calumniate." (1 Timothy 1:20)

I don't believe the so called "devil" is "symbolic" as you said some may say because scripture speaks of Satan as a real spirit being. Scripture indicates there are many invisible spirit beings. God is invisible, but Christ is God's image.

"There is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus, Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all" (1 Timothy 2:6)

Paul says he's a slave of Christ Jesus and a slave of God, but some folks seem to be slaves of Satan.

Can you sell your soul to Satan? I think you can be deceived into thinking Satan will do you some good, but you will find out the hard way that his promises are a trap. We all deal with this. It's called sin. 

Satan can't do you any good. Satan is a liar and a deceiver. Satan provides an experience of enchantment and delusion. That's how folks get addicted to various chemicals.

God is spirit that is the power of action, life, and intelligence. Only the spirit of God provides "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control" (Galatians 5:22).

Don't believe Satan no matter what he promises because it's a lie.

So ... no?

I can see how you could say yes or no. I'd say Satan cons you into thinking you're "selling" him your soul for some temporary gain, but, since "soul" from the Greek "psuche," literally meaning "cool," is sensation, your sense may be that you have "sold" your soul because you are allowing yourself to be Satan's slave. I wouldn't really call it "selling" your soul though. I was enchanted by various chemicals in the past, but those types of experiences are just delusional. I don't think I sold my soul, but I allowed myself to be Satan's slave in the sense that the way I chose was not the truth. I knew some folks in the past who were actual Satan worshippers. I think folks would probably be more likely to say they "sold" their souls to Satan, but it wasn't a binding contract because some have become followers of Christ. I think the idea of "selling" your soul to Satan is simply Satan's deception because it is God who breathes the breath (spirit) of life into our bodies that causes the sensation called "soul." So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen," translated as "hell" in the King James, which is what happens when we die. This started out as a clarification of my perspective, but I don't think I've done a very good job. I'll tell you one thing for sure, even though I've been fooled by him in the past, Satan can't buy my soul.

"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor messengers, nor sovereignties, nor the present, nor what is impending, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord." (Romans 8:38,39)

[VineBranch]

I can see how you could say yes or no. I'd say Satan cons you into thinking you're "selling" him your soul for some temporary gain, but, since "soul" from the Greek "psuche," literally meaning "cool," is sensation, your sense may be that you have "sold" your soul because you are allowing yourself to be Satan's slave. I wouldn't really call it "selling" your soul though. I was enchanted by various chemicals in the past, but those types of experiences are just a delusion. I don't think I sold my soul, but I allowed myself to be Satan's slave in the sense that the way I chose was not the truth. I knew some folks in the past who were actual Satan worshippers. I think folks would probably be more likely to say they "sold" their souls to Satan, but it wasn't a binding contract because some have become followers of Christ. I think the idea of "selling" your soul to Satan is simply Satan's deception because it is God who breathes the breath (spirit) of life into our bodies that causes the sensation called "soul." So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen," translated as "hell" in the King James, which is what happens when we die. This started out as a clarification of my perspective, but I don't think I've done a very good job. I'll tell you one thing for sure, even though I've been fooled by him in the past, Satan can't buy my soul.

"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor messengers, nor sovereignties, nor the present, nor what is impending, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord." (Romans 8:38,39)

But doesn't psuche actually mean breath?  I don't think soul is a sensation caused by breath.  The other Greek word we use is pneuma, which also means breath;  the usual Hebrew word we use is nefesh, which is again breath or vitality.  That breath was breathed into people by God and by so doing He made us human.

In a plain reading of soul, and in the way I found most people to use it, we are usually referring to a person's essence when we talk about their soul.  True, this may be a modern way of using the word, but it's been used like that, at least in the popular literature, for centuries.  When we refer to selling one's soul, I think we mean selling the thing which actually makes you you, as an individual.  When we say we are getting to the soul of the matter, we mean we are getting to basics.

The phrasing seems to be used both figuratively and literally.  You can sell your soul to the devil (for example 30 pieces of silver), or you can sell your soul metaphorically:  I sold my soul to the company store, or my boss owns my soul (because I spend all my time at work).  You seem to be using them interchangeably.

This one however, has me stimed:  "So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen," translated as "hell" in the King James, which is what happens when we die."  Could you please walk me though what that means?  You seem to be saying that the soul becomes unseen after I die.  Does that mean it is seen before I die?

[Tom]

I can see how you could say yes or no. I'd say Satan cons you into thinking you're "selling" him your soul for some temporary gain, but, since "soul" from the Greek "psuche," literally meaning "cool," is sensation, your sense may be that you have "sold" your soul because you are allowing yourself to be Satan's slave. I wouldn't really call it "selling" your soul though. I was enchanted by various chemicals in the past, but those types of experiences are just a delusion. I don't think I sold my soul, but I allowed myself to be Satan's slave in the sense that the way I chose was not the truth. I knew some folks in the past who were actual Satan worshippers. I think folks would probably be more likely to say they "sold" their souls to Satan, but it wasn't a binding contract because some have become followers of Christ. I think the idea of "selling" your soul to Satan is simply Satan's deception because it is God who breathes the breath (spirit) of life into our bodies that causes the sensation called "soul." So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen," translated as "hell" in the King James, which is what happens when we die. This started out as a clarification of my perspective, but I don't think I've done a very good job. I'll tell you one thing for sure, even though I've been fooled by him in the past, Satan can't buy my soul.

"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor messengers, nor sovereignties, nor the present, nor what is impending, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord." (Romans 8:38,39)

But doesn't psuche actually mean breath?  I don't think soul is a sensation caused by breath.  The other Greek word we use is pneuma, which also means breath;  the usual Hebrew word we use is nefesh, which is again breath or vitality.  That breath was breathed into people by God and by so doing He made us human.

In a plain reading of soul, and in the way I found most people to use it, we are usually referring to a person's essence when we talk about their soul.  True, this may be a modern way of using the word, but it's been used like that, at least in the popular literature, for centuries.  When we refer to selling one's soul, I think we mean selling the thing which actually makes you you, as an individual.  When we say we are getting to the soul of the matter, we mean we are getting to basics.

The phrasing seems to be used both figuratively and literally.  You can sell your soul to the devil (for example 30 pieces of silver), or you can sell your soul metaphorically:  I sold my soul to the company store, or my boss owns my soul (because I spend all my time at work).  You seem to be using them interchangeably.

This one however, has me stimed:  "So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen," translated as "hell" in the King James, which is what happens when we die."  Could you please walk me though what that means?  You seem to be saying that the soul becomes unseen after I die.  Does that mean it is seen before I die?

You are a living soul, and you become "unseen" after you die.

"And forming is Yahweh Elohim the human of soil from the ground, and He is blowing into his nostrils the breath of the living, and becoming is the human a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

But scripture also speaks of having a soul.

"for the soul of the flesh, it is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11)

The word "spirit" from the Greek "pneuma," literally meaning "blow-effect," by implication means the imperceptible power of action, life, and intelligence.

The word "soul" from the Greek "psuche," literally meaning "cool," is the sensation resulting from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit.

Church doctrine has confused the spirit and soul with the false doctrine of immortality of the soul.

Immortality of the soul is the philosophy of Plato, adopted as church doctrine, that originally came from the serpent's lie in the garden of Eden.

"And saying is the serpent to the woman, 'Not to die shall you be dying'" (Genesis 3:4)

The dead are reposing. As far as their consciousness is concerned, from the moment they die, the very next thing they will know is that they are alive again regardless of how long they have been dead. There is no consciousness in death.

"The living know that they shall die, But the dead know nothing whatsoever." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Death is a return.

"I know that You are turning me back to death, To that house appointed for all the living." (Job 30:23)

The body returns to the soil.

"In the sweat of your face shall you eat your bread, till you return to the ground, for from it are you taken, for soil you are, and to soil are you returning." (Genesis 3:19)

The spirit returns to God.

"And the soil returns to the earth just as it was, And the spirit, it returns to the One, Elohim, Who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

And the soul returns to the "unseen."

"The wicked shall return to the unseen, All the nations, forgetful of Elohim." (Psalms 9:17)

"For Thou wilt not be forsaking my soul in the unseen, Nor wilt Thou be giving Thy Benign One to be acquainted with decay." (Acts 2:27)

"perceiving this before, he speaks concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither forsaken in the unseen, nor was His flesh acquainted with decay" (Acts 2:31)

Scripture says the soul dies.

"The soul that is sinning--it does die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

"The soul that does sin--it does die." (Ezekiel 18:20)

Christ alone has immortality.

"He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!" (1 Timothy 6:15,16)

Believers will be immortalized when we are snatched away to meet Christ in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17), and unbelievers condemned to "the second death" will be immortalized when death is abolished at the consummation of the eons (1 Corinthians 15:22-26).

"Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed, in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory." (1 Corinthians 15:51-54)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/WhatIsTheSoul.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/WhatIsDeath.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/TheSoulAndTheUnseen.html


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[JulieTang84]

Satan, is most likely the most misunderstood spirit ever. Likely more so than the Man, Judas.


Satan is the advesary, or devils advocate. He is no more evil or a liar than anyone of us.


If he was truly evil and truly apposed to the rule of Father, he would not "do" what he is told. The Bible has a number of proofs where Satan obeyed for the fulfilment of Scripture resulting the advancement of Fathers Plan.


Basically, Satan is used as a huge cop-out by any number of Churches. It is so easy to point the finger at Satan and blame him for everything. Why is it that there is only two accounts (to my knowledge) of Satan causing calmity? Job and Judas.


You see, with everything else, Satan just sows seeds of a different type. It is we who are so willing to water them, nuturing them until they form full disconcent. To say that Satan "Entered me" and made me do .......(fill in the blanks) is borderline childish.


In my mind, Satan is just the opposite polarity of Christ. Together they make the WHOLE. Seems to a lot of people profess who profess tofollow Christ have a harder time of that than following Satan.


It all comes down to the choices we make. (I wrote about this in The Lounge)


Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[mplsfitter539]

No you can't sell your soul it belongs to Yahweh. Yahweh purchased your soul and everyone else's with the perfect blood of His Son Yahshua. Anything you do here will not change the will of Yahweh who provided payment in full for all souls. All means all.

DuWayne

[Tom]

Satan, is most likely the most misunderstood spirit ever. Likely more so than the Man, Judas.


Satan is the advesary, or devils advocate. He is no more evil or a liar than anyone of us.


If he was truly evil and truly apposed to the rule of Father, he would not "do" what he is told. The Bible has a number of proofs where Satan obeyed for the fulfilment of Scripture resulting the advancement of Fathers Plan.


Basically, Satan is used as a huge cop-out by any number of Churches. It is so easy to point the finger at Satan and blame him for everything. Why is it that there is only two accounts (to my knowledge) of Satan causing calmity? Job and Judas.


You see, with everything else, Satan just sows seeds of a different type. It is we who are so willing to water them, nuturing them until they form full disconcent. To say that Satan "Entered me" and made me do .......(fill in the blanks) is borderline childish.


In my mind, Satan is just the opposite polarity of Christ. Together they make the WHOLE. Seems to a lot of people profess who profess tofollow Christ have a harder time of that than following Satan.


It all comes down to the choices we make. (I wrote about this in The Lounge)


Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

I'm flashing back to the Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil." I agree, Julie, that Satan is just God's messenger of evil. I believe Satan's just doing the job he was created for, and he is very effective. It's all part of God's plan which contains elements of contrast like darkness and light, evil and good, Satan and Christ, to ultimately demonstrate the power of God's love to overcome all.

I believe Satan is a real spirit being given the power by God to be the Adversary, but nothing is outside God's control including Satan.

"Satan" is Hebrew for "Adversary."

God created evil and Satan.

"Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

"I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it." (Ecclesiastes 1:13)

God gives Satan power to try us (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7), but Satan will eventually lose that power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

Then I believe Satan will be one of the "all" among "those on the earth or those in the heavens" that will be reconciled to God through Christ (Colossians 1:20).

But I believe Satan is what God created him to be, the Adversary. Despite the fact that church mythology says Satan is a "fallen" angel, all the verses of scripture used to promote the idea are misinterpretations.

Here are a few verses relevant to the so called "fall of Satan" that is not in the scriptures.

Ezekiel refers to the king of Tyre not Satan (Ezekiel 28:15). The king of Tyre is a man, and Satan is not a man (Ezekiel 28:2,9).

Isaiah refers to the King of Babylon in the future day of Israel's restoration not Satan's fall in the past (Isaiah 14:3-20). Then Satan will have been cast out of heaven (Revelation 12:9). The King of Babylon is a man (Isaiah 14:16), and Satan is not a man.

"Lucifer" is used once in the King James Version as a mistranslation of the Hebrew for "howl" (Isaiah 14:12). The same exact Hebrew word is used in (Zechariah 11:2). Variations of the word are in (Isaiah 14:31; 13:6; 15:2,3; 16:7; 23:1,6,14; 52:5; 65:14).

Luke refers to Satan's action in response to the casting out of demons in Christ's name not the so called "fall of Satan" (Luke 10:18).

"From the beginning is the Adversary sinning." (1 John 3:8)

"He was a man-killer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, for truth is not in him. Whenever he may be speaking a lie, he is speaking of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44)

Satan's most effective deception is the church using corrupt translation of scripture and tradition of man to invalidate the word of God.

"You invalidate the word of God because of your tradition." (Matthew 15:6)

"For such are false apostles, fraudulent workers, being transfigured into apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light. It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness -- whose consummation shall be according to their acts." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

Despite the fact that Satan is very adept at deception, I think believers have no reason to fear Satan.

"Put on the panoply of God, to enable you to stand up to the stratagems of the Adversary, for it is not ours to wrestle with blood and flesh, but with the sovereignties, with the authorities, with the world-mights of this darkness, with the spiritual forces of wickedness among the celestials. Therefore take up the panoply of God that you may be enabled to withstand in the wicked day, and having effected all, to stand. Stand, then, girded about your loins with truth, with the cuirass of righteousness put on, and your feet sandaled with the readiness of the evangel of peace; with all taking up the large shield of faith, by which you will be able to extinguish all the fiery arrows of the wicked one. And receive the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, which is a declaration of God." (Ephesians 6:11-17)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil001.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil004.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil005.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil021.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/GodAndChrist/TheDeityOfGod6.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/allinall.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheSpiritWorld/index.html



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[Tom]

No you can't sell your soul it belongs to Yahweh. Yahweh purchased your soul and everyone else's with the perfect blood of His Son Yahshua. Anything you do here will not change the will of Yahweh who provided payment in full for all souls. All means all.

DuWayne

Amen, brother.

"For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus, Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all" (1 Timothy 2:5,6)

[JulieTang84]

......

Despite the fact that Satan is very adept at deception, I think believers have no reason to fear Satan.

......

Tom you have such a beautiful way of putting things. Thank you Sir :HeartThrob:


Believers in and of Love certainly have nothing to fear. Father knows as with Adam and Eve, so too with each of us. Satan just provides a choice and we choose.  :gimmefive:


Love Julie :girlheart:

[VineBranch]

"for the soul of the flesh, it is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11)

In every translation I have ever read it actually says "... the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

The word "spirit" from the Greek "pneuma," literally meaning "blow-effect," by implication means the imperceptible power of action, life, and intelligence.

It literally means breath (or air) it is related to pneîn ( to blow, breathe).

And the soul returns to the "unseen."

But you said before:

So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen ...

Those are two vastly different statements, almost contradictory:  aren't then?

[JulieTang84]

"for the soul of the flesh, it is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11)

In every translation I have ever read it actually says "... the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

The word "spirit" from the Greek "pneuma," literally meaning "blow-effect," by implication means the imperceptible power of action, life, and intelligence.

It literally means breath (or air) it is related to pneîn ( to blow, breathe).

And the soul returns to the "unseen."

But you said before:

So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen ...

Those are two vastly different statements, almost contradictory:  aren't then?

I agree, that the transliteration of Lev 7:11 most commonly says "LIFE"

However, we must never assume that the popular consensus is correct until proven so.

Lev 17:11   [Darby] for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

'For the soul     נפש nephesh   Strongs h5315

1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
 
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 753
AV — soul 475, life 117, person 29, mind 15, heart 15, creature 9, body 8, himself 8, yourselves 6, dead 5, will 4, desire 4, man 3, themselves 3, any 3, appetite 2, misc 47

Clearly in this case, we can see that the word "nephesh" has been translated to mean SOUL 4x as often as LIFE.

As for the comment on the "soul returning to the unseen"

I do no see these two statements by Tom as being mutually exclusive. I do not think that Tom was indicating that the soul returns on it's own accord or compunction.

Just the way I see it. Tom certainly doesn't need me to answer for him.  :HeartThrob:

Love Julie 

[Tom]

"for the soul of the flesh, it is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11)

In every translation I have ever read it actually says "... the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

The word "spirit" from the Greek "pneuma," literally meaning "blow-effect," by implication means the imperceptible power of action, life, and intelligence.

It literally means breath (or air) it is related to pneîn ( to blow, breathe).

And the soul returns to the "unseen."

But you said before:

So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen ...

Those are two vastly different statements, almost contradictory:  aren't then?

The soul is the sensation resulting from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit.

"And forming is Yahweh Elohim the human of soil from the ground, and He is blowing into his nostrils the breath of the living, and becoming is the human a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

Death is a return.

"I know that You are turning me back to death, To that house appointed for all the living." (Job 30:23)

The body returns to the soil.

"In the sweat of your face shall you eat your bread, till you return to the ground, for from it are you taken, for soil you are, and to soil are you returning." (Genesis 3:19)

The spirit returns to God. Spirit is by implication the imperceptible power of action, life, and intelligence.

"And the soil returns to the earth just as it was, And the spirit, it returns to the One, Elohim, Who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

And the soul returns to the "unseen."

"The wicked shall return to the unseen, All the nations, forgetful of Elohim." (Psalms 9:17)

"For Thou wilt not be forsaking my soul in the unseen, Nor wilt Thou be giving Thy Benign One to be acquainted with decay." (Acts 2:27)

"perceiving this before, he speaks concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither forsaken in the unseen, nor was His flesh acquainted with decay" (Acts 2:31)

Scripture says the soul dies.

"The soul that is sinning--it does die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

"The soul that does sin--it does die." (Ezekiel 18:20)

The following link shows how "in a multitude of instances nphsh has been translated by other English expressions," but a consistent translation renders it "soul."

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/WhatIsTheSoul.html

See the attached file.

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[Tom]

"for the soul of the flesh, it is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11)

In every translation I have ever read it actually says "... the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

The word "spirit" from the Greek "pneuma," literally meaning "blow-effect," by implication means the imperceptible power of action, life, and intelligence.

It literally means breath (or air) it is related to pneîn ( to blow, breathe).

And the soul returns to the "unseen."

But you said before:

So it is only God that can withdraw the spirit to cause the soul to become the state of "unperceived" or "unseen ...

Those are two vastly different statements, almost contradictory:  aren't then?

I agree, that the transliteration of Lev 7:11 most commonly says "LIFE"

However, we must never assume that the popular consensus is correct until proven so.

Lev 17:11   [Darby] for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

'For the soul     נפש nephesh   Strongs h5315

1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
 
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 753
AV — soul 475, life 117, person 29, mind 15, heart 15, creature 9, body 8, himself 8, yourselves 6, dead 5, will 4, desire 4, man 3, themselves 3, any 3, appetite 2, misc 47

Clearly in this case, we can see that the word "nephesh" has been translated to mean SOUL 4x as often as LIFE.

As for the comment on the "soul returning to the unseen"

I do no see these two statements by Tom as being mutually exclusive. I do not think that Tom was indicating that the soul returns on it's own accord or compunction.

Just the way I see it. Tom certainly doesn't need me to answer for him.  :HeartThrob:

Love Julie

Thanks for your support, Julie. I quit using the King James years ago when I became aware of all the inconsistencies. I realize lots of folks don't want to give it up because they enjoy it. What's important to me is knowing that what I'm reading is as close as possible to what the original text meant not what some theological scholar thinks it should say. The version of scripture I study is shunned by churchianity because it doesn't propagate its doctrine. I don't believe there is a perfect translation, but I think the Concordant Version is the best I've seen. Lots of folks are surprised when they see quotes from it though because they don't read like the King James Version. The Hebrew "nphsh" translated as "soul" is just one example. I don't know why the two quotes about the "unseen" were interpreted as contradictory because I always say God is the one operating all according to his will. The soul returns to the state of the "unseen" when God withdraws spirit from our bodies. We as living souls cease to be perceived when our spirit returns to God. 

[VineBranch]

Lev 17:11   [Darby] for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Okay Julie ... but be fair.

Darby's translation of Leviticus 17 verse 11 says "the soul of the flesh is the blood".  The word he translates as soul is nefesh.  But, he translate Leviticus 17 verse 14 as, "for as to the life of all flesh, its blood is the life in it..."  The word he translates as life is nefesh.  So Darby picked and chose when nefesh would mean soul, and when nefesh would mean life.  That's not fair.  It surely can't be used as source/data to prove a point if the translation can be so capricious in usage of a word so important to understanding a concept.

[Tom]

Lev 17:11   [Darby] for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Okay Julie ... but be fair.

Darby's translation of Leviticus 17 verse 11 says "the soul of the flesh is the blood".  The word he translates as soul is nefesh.  But, he translate Leviticus 17 verse 14 as, "for as to the life of all flesh, its blood is the life in it..."  The word he translates as life is nefesh.  So Darby picked and chose when nefesh would mean soul, and when nefesh would mean life.  That's not fair.  It surely can't be used as source/data to prove a point if the translation can be so capricious in usage of a word so important to understanding a concept.

Look at the attached files, and you will see that the Concordant Version is consistent in the translation of the Hebrew word "nphsh" as "soul."

Access the link below, and you will see how inconsistent the King James Version is in the translation of the Hebrew word "nphsh."

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/WhatIsTheSoul.html

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[Tom]

Lev 17:11   [Darby] for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Okay Julie ... but be fair.

Darby's translation of Leviticus 17 verse 11 says "the soul of the flesh is the blood".  The word he translates as soul is nefesh.  But, he translate Leviticus 17 verse 14 as, "for as to the life of all flesh, its blood is the life in it..."  The word he translates as life is nefesh.  So Darby picked and chose when nefesh would mean soul, and when nefesh would mean life.  That's not fair.  It surely can't be used as source/data to prove a point if the translation can be so capricious in usage of a word so important to understanding a concept.

"Nevertheless, scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

The expression "living souls" speaks of the entire animate creation generally, "every animal of the field and every flyer of the heavens" (Gen.2:19; cp 1:24,30), even "the great sea monsters and all the moving living souls with which the waters swarm" (Gen.1:20,21).

Soul is a phenomenon; it is the perception of the senses. It encompasses all sensation, all that is experienced by means of the sentient faculties. By association, soul is the capacity for seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, and smelling. In itself, soul consists in the sensation of these things themselves. Man, like the animals, is a "living soul" (Gen.1:21; 2:7). While both are living creatures, they are termed (by association) living "souls." This is because they are not only living creatures but are living creatures which possess soul, that is, sentient capacity. Both man and beast are termed living souls because they are living creatures which, through sentient faculties, are capable of experience.

"Soul" (Hebrew, nephesh, Greek, psuchê) does not mean "life," though it is often incorrectly translated "life" in the Authorized Version. Soul is not life itself, though it is intimately connected with it. A man's "soul," speaks of a man's sensations or experiences. A man who is termed a "soul," speaks of a man from the standpoint of his sensations or experiences.

In Scripture, it is common to speak of men as "souls." Through this means man comes before us not simply as an organic entity such as a tree, but as a sentient creature partaking of experience. Literally, soul is not something that man is, but something that he partakes of.

When a man is spoken of as a "soul," the word is a figure of speech (metaphor [representation] and metonymy [association]). And, even when man is spoken of as possessing a soul, technically, this too is a figure of speech (ellipsis [omission]).

When man is spoken of as being a soul, he thus becomes representative of that with which he is closely associated. Yet when man is spoken of as possessing a soul, the evident thought in view, while understood, is not expressed. This is because it would be both tedious and needless to do so.

The inherent idea which is present though not expressed when man is spoken of as possessing "a" soul is, capacity of or means of experiencing. The full thought is that man has "a (capacity of] soul," or sensation. Strictly speaking, man does not have "a" soul but a capacity of soul, a means by which he engages in sentient activity, a facility by which he experiences life."

http://concordant.org/expohtml/DeathAndJudgment/TheSoulAndTheUnseen.html

[VineBranch]

I was kinda prepared to go head to head on this.  I find your use of English words and phrasing intriguing and would love to romp along with new ways of expression.  I was finding this really interesting.  I had already started trying to see how Darby and the AV differed.  Then I was looking forward to how the NIV and NKJ would handle it. 

So I started with:

"Nevertheless, scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

It says living in the AV:  "This is the law of cattle, and of fowl, and of every living [chay: alive] soul [nephesh] that moveth in the waters, and of every soul that crawleth on the earth ...".  I took the liberty of quoting this verse from the Darby Bible.  The AV translates nephesh as creature.

Then I came across this odious sentence ...

"Soul" (Hebrew, nephesh, Greek, psuchê) does not mean "life," though it is often incorrectly translated "life" in the Authorized Version.

I will follow any dialogue where-in the scriptures are respected.  To use 'incorrectly' means you have the definitive at your disposal.  As long as this is a debate, I'm in there.  But your words imply you are right and know the truth, and all that disagree are incorrect.  Sorry Tom, as far as this debate is concerned, I quit you.

[Tom]

I was kinda prepared to go head to head on this.  I find your use of English words and phrasing intriguing and would love to romp along with new ways of expression.  I was finding this really interesting.  I had already started trying to see how Darby and the AV differed.  Then I was looking forward to how the NIV and NKJ would handle it. 

So I started with:

"Nevertheless, scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

It says living in the AV:  "This is the law of cattle, and of fowl, and of every living [chay: alive] soul [nephesh] that moveth in the waters, and of every soul that crawleth on the earth ...".  I took the liberty of quoting this verse from the Darby Bible.  The AV translates nephesh as creature.

Then I came across this odious sentence ...

"Soul" (Hebrew, nephesh, Greek, psuchê) does not mean "life," though it is often incorrectly translated "life" in the Authorized Version.

I will follow any dialogue where-in the scriptures are respected.  To use 'incorrectly' means you have the definitive at your disposal.  As long as this is a debate, I'm in there.  But your words imply you are right and know the truth, and all that disagree are incorrect.  Sorry Tom, as far as this debate is concerned, I quit you.

I'm not debating anything, bro. I've just been providing some information to clarify a few things according to what I've read. Those last quotes were from the Concordant site, but I understand what they mean when they say "incorrectly translated" because a word is supposed to represent something not be anything somebody wants it to be. That's why I study a concordant literal translation. I would like to know the closest idea to what the original text is saying. If a word means "soul," then I don't think it should be translated as a whole bunch of other words for whatever reason. I have nothing to debate or defend here, brother. I just want to know the truth of scripture. If a translation is inconsistent, I prefer not to rely on it. I understand that there are other things to consider about reading scripture, but I can't ignore the fact that a word means what it is not what somebody thinks it should be interpreted to mean in different contexts. I've said there's no perfect translation because something is always lost in translation, but when I see a list such as the one I showed you in the link about the soul that shows the same word is translated by so many different words, that tells me to avoid that translation because it is more of an interpretation than a translation. I prefer to know what the words actually are and let the power of the holy spirit of God interpret them for me. I have said I'm no authority. I'm just sharing what the scripture text says, and the translation I study does not agree with the King James Version because the Concordant Version's idea is to translate each word according to what it means in a concordance not according to what a theological scholar interprets that it should mean. I think that's the best way to get to the true meaning of a word. Words are symbols that represent something. If you can't rely on a consistent representation of a given word, then I don't see how you can really know what it means unless you're just willing to take somebody else's word for it that claims to be an authority, but I'm not willing to do that. I don't read Hebrew or Greek. So I have to depend on others to translate them for me, but I cross check different references to confirm what I read to make sure I have the best idea of what the text means. I don't have all the answers. That's why I study, but I refuse to rely on inconsistent translations. I know folks cherish their King James Bibles. I don't seek to offend anybody, but I think the comparison of the text speaks for itself. That's why I use the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer http://www.scripture4all.org/ which needs some editing in the so called Old Testament section of the CLV module, but I always check what I search with the Concordant Version Old Testament PDF file. http://concordant.org/online/index.html It's hard to have a discussion about something if we're not using the same reference point. Either the Hebrew "nphsh" means "soul" or it doesn't. If it all depends on what somebody wants to say it should mean in different contexts, I don't think we can have a valid discussion about the word. It's not a debate, bro. Either the Hebrew "nphsh" means "soul" or it doesn't. I'm sorry if I offended you. I didn't intend to do so, and my intention was also not to say I'm right and you're wrong. I simply presented a list of the many definitions of the same word by the King James Version and showed a comparison where the word was translated consistently in the Concordant Version. I'm not the author of the Concordant Version, and I don't own the Concordant Publishing Concern. I've just come to prefer their version after spending many years reading the King James Version until I became aware of its inconsistencies. I come in peace, brother, to share holy spirit through the word of God. God bless you.

http://concordant.org/version/how1.html

[JulieTang84]

I was kinda prepared to go head to head on this.  I find your use of English words and phrasing intriguing and would love to romp along with new ways of expression.  I was finding this really interesting.  I had already started trying to see how Darby and the AV differed.  Then I was looking forward to how the NIV and NKJ would handle it. 

So I started with:

"Nevertheless, scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

It says living in the AV:  "This is the law of cattle, and of fowl, and of every living [chay: alive] soul [nephesh] that moveth in the waters, and of every soul that crawleth on the earth ...".  I took the liberty of quoting this verse from the Darby Bible.  The AV translates nephesh as creature.

Then I came across this odious sentence ...

"Soul" (Hebrew, nephesh, Greek, psuchê) does not mean "life," though it is often incorrectly translated "life" in the Authorized Version.

I will follow any dialogue where-in the scriptures are respected.  To use 'incorrectly' means you have the definitive at your disposal.  As long as this is a debate, I'm in there.  But your words imply you are right and know the truth, and all that disagree are incorrect.  Sorry Tom, as far as this debate is concerned, I quit you.

Hi VB, me again  :HeartThrob:

I can understand both sides here. Why is it that we feel comfortable in the translations (Bibles) that we use. Is it pride? Peace, Understandability or something else. I think it speaks to us concerning the truth we need to hear.

I myself use the NIV almost exclusively, but check it against Darby's and Young's Literal Translation. Even those two, do not always agree. I then pull out Strong's Concordance and a Greek or Hebrew Bible if needed. This is what works for me. You might say I have a healthy mistrust of all of the Bibles.

If Tom is stating that "His" Bible is the "Most" Correct and bests all others (something I do not believe he is doing) Then it MUST be understood that it is "ONLY" his opinion based on the truth that he has been given to know.

It would seem that the three of us here have a slightly different take on this. This is wonderful!!!!   :dsunny:

Not because we can laud it over the others, or take our bat and ball and go home.

Sometimes all that can be achieved is understanding that we are on different paths leading ultimately to the same place. However, we have LOVE as our guide and mentor. Love is our common ground.

I hope Tom does not feel less of me because I do not share his Love for the Concordant version.

The closer to home we become, the clearer we will see; however, how do we know who is closest?

This has always been  the question with no answer. Therefore, no understanding is ever truly wrong or right, because not even the beholder truly knows.  :dontknow:

Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[Tom]

I was kinda prepared to go head to head on this.  I find your use of English words and phrasing intriguing and would love to romp along with new ways of expression.  I was finding this really interesting.  I had already started trying to see how Darby and the AV differed.  Then I was looking forward to how the NIV and NKJ would handle it. 

So I started with:

"Nevertheless, scripturally speaking, the human "soul" is simply the human experience. Soul is the sensation which results from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit (Gen.2:7; cp 1:21). Soul is connected with the blood (Lev.17:14; "life" AV), and is possessed not only by man but by all living creatures that move or "roam" (Lev.11:46).

It says living in the AV:  "This is the law of cattle, and of fowl, and of every living [chay: alive] soul [nephesh] that moveth in the waters, and of every soul that crawleth on the earth ...".  I took the liberty of quoting this verse from the Darby Bible.  The AV translates nephesh as creature.

Then I came across this odious sentence ...

"Soul" (Hebrew, nephesh, Greek, psuchê) does not mean "life," though it is often incorrectly translated "life" in the Authorized Version.

I will follow any dialogue where-in the scriptures are respected.  To use 'incorrectly' means you have the definitive at your disposal.  As long as this is a debate, I'm in there.  But your words imply you are right and know the truth, and all that disagree are incorrect.  Sorry Tom, as far as this debate is concerned, I quit you.

Hi VB, me again  :HeartThrob:

I can understand both sides here. Why is it that we feel comfortable in the translations (Bibles) that we use. Is it pride? Peace, Understandability or something else. I think it speaks to us concerning the truth we need to hear.

I myself use the NIV almost exclusively, but check it against Darby's and Young's Literal Translation. Even those two, do not always agree. I then pull out Strong's Concordance and a Greek or Hebrew Bible if needed. This is what works for me. You might say I have a healthy mistrust of all of the Bibles.

If Tom is stating that "His" Bible is the "Most" Correct and bests all others (something I do not believe he is doing) Then it MUST be understood that it is "ONLY" his opinion based on the truth that he has been given to know.

It would seem that the three of us here have a slightly different take on this. This is wonderful!!!!   :dsunny:

Not because we can laud it over the others, or take our bat and ball and go home.

Sometimes all that can be achieved is understanding that we are on different paths leading ultimately to the same place. However, we have LOVE as our guide and mentor. Love is our common ground.

I hope Tom does not feel less of me because I do not share his Love for the Concordant version.

The closer to home we become, the clearer we will see; however, how do we know who is closest?

This has always been  the question with no answer. Therefore, no understanding is ever truly wrong or right, because not even the beholder truly knows.  :dontknow:

Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

I don't put anybody down for not liking the Concordant Version. It's just my personal preference. I tried others including Young's Literal Translation. I only consult Strong's numbers occasionally out of curiosity as a comparison because it is the King James concordance. It would be good if we could all be sharing the original manuscripts so we could read the text in the ancient languages they were written, but they don't exist. We can't even read the copies because I for one only read U.S. English. So we compare our different versions to see what we can come up with. We're all depending on others to translate for us. So we can't really be absolutely sure what we're reading is right, but we do the best we can. I think the truth will be revealed if we diligently seek for it.

"Seek and you shall find." (Matthew 7:7)

[mplsfitter539]

As far as all the different translations go I thought I would share my favorite with you.
Hebraic Roots Bible Literal Translation
http://coyhwh.com/
You can get a free copy of e-book on the website. This is the most UR friendly bible I have read yet.

[jabcat]

finding this really interesting. 

Then it MUST be understood that it is "ONLY" his opinion [understanding] based on the truth that he has been given to know.

I'm not debating anything, bro.  I come in peace, brother, to share holy spirit through the word of God. God bless you.

:2thumbs:

Hebraic Roots Bible Literal Translation
http://coyhwh.com/
You can get a free copy of e-book on the website.

Sounds interesting, I'd like to check it out.   :thumbsup:

[Tom]

As far as all the different translations go I thought I would share my favorite with you.
Hebraic Roots Bible Literal Translation
http://coyhwh.com/
You can get a free copy of e-book on the website. This is the most UR friendly bible I have read yet.

Thanks bro. I took a look at it. I was glad to see "Gehenna," but I was surprised to see "Hades" because I thought, since it was Aramaic that it wouldn't have the Greek word. I was disappointed to see "eternal," "everlasting," and "forever and ever" instead of "eonian." I was also disappointed to see "world" instead of "eon," but it uses "age" in some places which is a little better. It uses "forever and ever" for "eon of the eons." It also uses "course" instead of "eon." It also uses "forever" instead of "eon." It was good to see the proper names for Yahweh and Yeshuah even in the New Testament. I was glad to see 1 John 5:7 translated without the bogus addition from the Roman church.

I think I'm going to stick with the Concordant Version because I think it's important to translate the Greek "aion" and "aionion" as "eon" and "eonian" to establish the concept of time periods rather than eternity which I believe is the true intention of scripture.

I've checked out some other Aramaic versions. I thought some were better than others, but I didn't see any that convinced me to start reading them full time even though I saw some good points about them. I keep hearing about the example of the eye of the needle and the rope instead of a camel. I think it's good to compare versions to get different perspectives. That's why I use the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer to compare the King James Version, Young's Literal Translation, and the Concordant Version. I've checked out e-Sword and theWord, but I prefer the ISA for now even though I know the Old Testament section of the CLV module needs some editing. There is supposed to be a new version coming, but the author hasn't gotten around to it yet because he has had to work on some money making projects instead. So I always compare what I search with the Concordant Version Old Testament PDF file. 

I think the good thing about this forum is we all share different perspectives. We're all seeking the truth in scripture which is good. No two people are going to agree on everything, but I think we all learn from each other. It's good to communicate with like minded folks even if we all see some things differently.

I'm returning the favor with these links.

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://www.scripture4all.org/