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A rudder on the Ark ?
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QuoteWelcome to the group Rudder. Let us know if we can steer you in the right direction.
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A boat without a rudder is a Shipwrecked faith, or even an unbridled one, like a lot in Genesis , much is Hidden, thinking more in conjunction with the rudder being small and unseen, a Little member which defiles the WHOLE BODY.
Luke 6:24 Father Abraham, have
mercy on me, and send
Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and
COOL MY TONGUE; for
I am tormented in THIS FLAME.
anyways, Just seeking if others who may see any connections :icon_flower:
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A rudder on the Ark ?
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hello fadder, hello mudder
This boat needs a better rudder
But I'm really not complaining
and they say we'll have some fun if it stops raining
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A rudder on the Ark ?
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That picture made me seasick..... Kind of like the feeling I get when I know I've said too much.... :laughing7:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on December 30, 2008, 03:43:58 AM
Wow! So glad I found your post G, I thought now this is a good one, I cant agree more it sure does appear theres more in this and I too see it as the smallest part of a ship (that steers its course) even as James speaks of that small little member (our tongue) steering the whole course.
Heres what I got on this (by way of comparisons I see somehow applying) great starter post (buried back here) :grin:
Ships and Leviathan
Psalm 104:36 There go the ships: (((there))) is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play ~therein~.
Ships and small helm (tongue)
James 3:4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they ~turned about~ with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
James 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
No man can tame the tongue, it shows its "drawn out" Leviathan (his tongue) IS LET
Job 41:4 Canst thou ~draw out~ leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which THOU LETTEST down?
The mystery of Iniquity also IS LET
2Thes 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only HE who now LETTETH will LET, until he be taken out of the way.
The TONGUE is A WORLD of INIQUITY
James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity
Two in scripture hold the power of death, ironically its ~the tongue~ and ~the devil~
Shown here...
Heb 2:14... that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, ~the devil~;
And Shown here...
Prov 18:21 Death and life are in the power of ~the tongue~
Question to the false tongue
Psalm 120:3 What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?
That through death that he might DESTROY the one holding the power of death, which is the devil (as well as the tongue) which again speaks the same
Isaiah 11:15 And the LORD shall utterly ***destroy the tongue*** of the Egyptian sea
Keeping in mind the first part of this post (as it relates to) the ships, leviathan and the tongue (the helm) look whats destroyed
Rev 8:9 and the third part of the ships ***were destroyed***.
I always wondered about the "third part" of the ships. It never says how many ships there are or if they were destroyed in whole, it just speaks to a "the third part" of them among others things (and its the third part of them that is struck).
Now this is prior to other details left out, like a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the Sea. Mt Sinai the Lord descended upon in fire etc...The helm of the ship is shown as the tongue. So also is Leviathan shown as made to play ~therein~ (along with the ships). Theres the mystery of iniquity and the tongue is shown as a ~world of~ iniquity which are "let" but so also is leviathan. Both are drawn out of which no man can (neither) tame.
Ever notice weird things like that G?
Glad I found your post back here, I was digging back some and thought, "This is not too old to bring forward"
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So it seems this little helm is able to speak from the Grave itself, fit for destruction, for the cause of it is the Wisdom Beneath, speaking LIES\Guile\deceit against the TRUTH
Jam 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold,
how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Jam 3:6 And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the
tongue among our members,
that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. Jam 3:14 But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and
lie not against the truth.
Jam 3:15 This
wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is]
earthly, sensual, devilish For the Wisdom ABOVE is
1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. and did HE not Come to Destroy such WORDLY Wisdom
1Cr 1:19 For it is written, I will
destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to
nothing the understanding of the prudent. 1Cr 1:20 Where [is]
the wise? where [is]
the scribe? where [is]
the disputer of this world? hath not
God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cr 1:21 For after that in the
wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased
God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe In Relation,Didnt James also say this,TO BRIDLE, thats cool
James 1:26 If any man among you
seem to be religious and
bridleth not his tongue, but
deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Prov 21:23 Whoso
keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.
The keeping or Bridling of the TONGUE, Bridles the WHOLE BODY, THE SAME IS A
PERFECT man,..thats awesome
James 3:2 For in
many things we offend all. If any
man offend not in word, the
same is a perfect man,[/u] and able also to
bridle the whole body.Seems Paul understood this fact to sis
1Cr 9:27 But
I keep under my body, and
bring it into subjection:[/u] lest that by
any means, when I have
preached to others, I
myself should be a castaway. Back to that PERFECT MAN
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all
come in the unity of the faith, and of the
knowledge of the Son of God, unto
a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of ChristFor mine the scripts are saying a PERFECT MAN IS able to Bridle his tongue, speaking NOT the wisdom of this WORLD, but SPEAKING TRUTH, Therefore without FAULT.
Rev 14:5 And in their
mouth was found no guile: for
they are without fault before the throne of God.Seems there was FAULT with the FIRST COVENANAT sis, Lest there be No need of a Second
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been
faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
BUT again we see some FINDING fault .and wishing to go to """"law""""WITH ONE ANOTHER
1Cr 6:7 Now therefore there is
utterly a fault among you, because ye go to
law one with another.Why do ye not rather
take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
Best stop here Fire...tis getting long
other than, me neither with that Third Part of the ships...I seemed to have lost em( ships that is) during this post , wierd how ya led :icon_flower:
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:cloud9: Notice that in the parable of the wheat and the tares, He says the angels gather out of His kingdom, those things which offend and do INIQUITY. I know the tongue is part of where the worm dieth not, from a night vision He gave me. Specifically it has white and black worms in it, which was given me to understand that it is from speaking both good and evil. Sorry guys, I know it's a gross picture, but I always get the "reverse engineering" details, what can I say, LOL.........So once the tongue is controlled it becomes the tongue of the learned, like an arrow that always hits the mark. Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on December 30, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
:cloud9: Notice that in the parable of the wheat and the tares, He says the angels gather out of His kingdom, those things which offend and do INIQUITY. I know the tongue is part of where the worm dieth not, from a night vision He gave me. Specifically it has white and black worms in it, which was given me to understand that it is from speaking both good and evil. Sorry guys, I know it's a gross picture, but I always get the "reverse engineering" details, what can I say, LOL.........So once the tongue is controlled it becomes the tongue of the learned, like an arrow that always hits the mark. Blessings....
Thanks for me afternoon giggle card :icon_flower:
QuoteSo once the tongue is controlled it becomes the tongue of the learned, like an arrow that always hits the mark. Blessings
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Pro 15:4 A wholesome tongue [is] a tree of life: but perverseness therein [is] a breach in the spirit.
:cloud9: Glad I could oblige.... :winkgrin::
:cloud9: Yes, it is a huge study Fire. The last scripture you added reminded me of this. I was praying for a woman who was known to have a sharp tongue, always getting herself in trouble with it. I saw blood coming out of her mouth in the Spirit, making like a walkway suspended in the air in front of her. Then I saw why. These demonic little imps, unclean spirits were walking in the blood and into her via her mouth. Just then He spoke the scripture about it not being what goes in, but what comes out, and I sure got to see the fruit of that scripture in a whole new way..... :sigh: Blessings....
:cloud9: Opposition is from Him. Long teaching, but I learned to agree with my adversary when I was in the way with him. It sure beat trying to beat at the air :winkgrin:
great thread guys!
love it to pieces , AMEN CARD!
You know I told my hubby just today , that learning to accept everything as Gods will , no matter how rotten life seems to get at times , does give a peace and rest more so than struggling like a salmon up stream all the time !
rudder a helm or from a (presumed) derivative of pedon (the blade of an oar, from the same as G3976)
1) a fetter, shackle for the feet
we are bound by the things we keep , hold high , or wont let go of! :mshock: a prisoner in our own minds :mblush: and of course this body of death :sigh:...
Quote from: Fireinfolding on December 30, 2008, 10:55:25 PM
Quote from: rosered on December 30, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
great thread guys!
love it to pieces , AMEN CARD!
You know I told my hubby just today , that learning to accept everything as Gods will , no matter how rotten life seems to get at times , does give a peace and rest more so than struggling like a salmon up stream all the time !
rudder a helm or from a (presumed) derivative of pedon (the blade of an oar, from the same as G3976)
1) a fetter, shackle for the feet
we are bound by the things we keep , hold high , or wont let go of! :mshock: a prisoner in our own minds :mblush: and of course this body of death :sigh:...
gees Rose that definition sounds much like where that guy who was bound and somehow threw off His fetters :grin: and Or even how a great chain could play into the picture.
Recall no man could bind him? Sounds like the tongue too :grin: No man can tame the tongue?
Cutting himself day and night with the thing :grin:
Twas Legion..Not yet of SOUND mind :icon_flower:
:cloud9: Wow, Rose, rudder means fetter, shackle for the feet, LOL? That's too funny......in a been there, done that, limping shackled, sort of way..... :sigh: :winkgrin:
Oh Yeah :thumbsup:
Look Forward to responding to ya post come the morrow...kinda a Busy trying to keep up reading Posts out there....among other things. :icon_flower:
Quote from: rosered on December 30, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
great thread guys!
love it to pieces , AMEN CARD!
You know I told my hubby just today , that learning to accept everything as Gods will , no matter how rotten life seems to get at times , does give a peace and rest more so than struggling like a salmon up stream all the time !
rudder a helm or from a (presumed) derivative of pedon (the blade of an oar, from the same as G3976)
1) a fetter, shackle for the feet
we are bound by the things we keep , hold high , or wont let go of! :mshock: a prisoner in our own minds :mblush: and of course this body of death :sigh:...
Where di you come from Nosey Rosey :happygrin:
Great adage :icon_flower:
Quote from: Taffy on December 30, 2008, 11:01:38 PM
Quote from: rosered on December 30, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
great thread guys!
love it to pieces , AMEN CARD!
You know I told my hubby just today , that learning to accept everything as Gods will , no matter how rotten life seems to get at times , does give a peace and rest more so than struggling like a salmon up stream all the time !
rudder a helm or from a (presumed) derivative of pedon (the blade of an oar, from the same as G3976)
1) a fetter, shackle for the feet
we are bound by the things we keep , hold high , or wont let go of! :mshock: a prisoner in our own minds :mblush: and of course this body of death :sigh:...
Where di you come from Nosey Rosey :happygrin:
Great adage :icon_flower:
I dont know Bro G , where did I come from ?
my moma! as Nate so aptly put it once hee hee !!!
QuoteWe know his doctrine wasnt SOUND he kept saying have you come to TORMENT ME I dont think Jesus had any intention of doing that or that the guy understood that he was already being tormented NIGHT AND DAY already His thoughts were driving Him insane, whats weird is when He was of a sound mind and calm folks FEARED THAT
amen Kim ! maybe because he was like everyone else? freakin' out! trying to do all them works and laws right down to the jot and tittle ?
and when the Lord calmed his thoughts [mind] it seemed to threaten them? and their position?
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yup more than a Few sis
Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.( REWARD at the END) :icon_flower:
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yup more than a Few sis
Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.( REWARD at the END) :icon_flower:
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Show me this one G, I want to see it :grin: Can you expound on this for me?
Theres sure More to Dig sis But Im getting Glimples..was hoping some others may Chip in...
Gadra, The place where they Farmed PIGS is located
6 miles
East of the Jordan,
10 klm south East of Sea of Galililee..Considering EAST and West , as with the Temple ,sure to be connections...
There plenty of scrips which relate to the OTHER side,( both sides Two sides) the Disciples taking No Bread, Christ when noticing the Mulititudes moves to the OTHER side,...Tis much there but havent linked it as such
Its the REWARD at the END which GADARENES means intrigues me also, as It was With Legion...becoming of sound Mind, which starts the and ends the Passage...Much In the Middle is easier to see....
Talk more tomorrow sis
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Quote from: Fireinfolding on December 31, 2008, 12:39:59 AM
You know Rose, these appear to connect somehow to the situation of the man....
Duet 28:6 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: (the gospel comes with MUCH assurance, ironic thats there)
Which is sorta reflected here...
Mark 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and ~cutting himself~ with stones.
The gospel comes with MUCH assurance (and Jesus comes to this man) He certainly reflects a man with none assurance for his life. It says, "God has given us a SOUND MIND" (as G pointed out) and when Jesus comes to him he is now clothed and in his right mind, the torturing Jesus in this instance (that he thought to anticipate) was none other then a freind to him.
Theres alot of treasures in this story
Been offline, playing catch up now.......it is related because Deut. 28 is where all the generational curses were pronounced. Jesus came to reverse all the curses. All the NT has snipets of Deut. 28, in one way or another, for that reason. Blessings....
Hi Cardinal , Deut 28 and 32 33 are some of my most insightful chapters sis ! love them :thumbsup: you should see this old bible it looks like a mad man went though it , with little notes all though them pages :mshock:
some say its a sin to mark up your bible
but I say its more of a sin to never open it up ! only to lay it on the table for a show piece :dontknow: to each his own i reckin "
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yup more than a Few sis
Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.( REWARD at the END) :icon_flower:
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Show me this one G, I want to see it :grin: Can you expound on this for me?
Theres sure More to Dig sis But Im getting Glimples..was hoping some others may Chip in...
Gadra, The place where they Farmed PIGS is located 6 miles East of the Jordan,10 klm south East of Sea of Galililee..Considering EAST and West , as with the Temple ,sure to be connections...
There plenty of scrips which relate to the OTHER side,( both sides Two sides) the Disciples taking No Bread, Christ when noticing the Mulititudes moves to the OTHER side,...Tis much there but havent linked it as such
Its the REWARD at the END which GADARENES means intrigues me also, as It was With Legion...becoming of sound Mind, which starts the and ends the Passage...Much In the Middle is easier to see....
Talk more tomorrow sis
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hey Bro G , it also means Gergesenes , now that is something !!!
how can this be !?
Gergesenes = "a stranger drawing near" ?
1) also called Gadarenes, is assumed to have been located on the eastern shore of Lake Gennesaret
Gennesaret
(From Easton's Bible Dictionary)
a garden of riches. A town of Naphtali, called
Chinnereth (Joshua 19:35), sometimes in the plural form Chinneroth (11:2). In later times the name was gradually changed to Genezar and Gennesaret (Luke 5:1). This city stood on the western shore of the lake to which it gave its name. No trace of it remains. The plain of Gennesaret has been called, from its fertility and beauty, "the Paradise of Galilee." It is now called el-Ghuweir.
The Lake of Gennesaret, the Grecized form of CHINNERETH (q.v.). (See GALILEE, SEA OF .)
Mat 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. Gennesaret
(From Hitchcock's Bible Names)
garden of the prince there was a'' place of harps'' but I fogot what name that is ??? :dontknow:
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yup more than a Few sis
Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.( REWARD at the END) :icon_flower:
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Show me this one G, I want to see it :grin: Can you expound on this for me?
Theres sure More to Dig sis But Im getting Glimples..was hoping some others may Chip in...
Gadra, The place where they Farmed PIGS is located 6 miles East of the Jordan,10 klm south East of Sea of Galililee..Considering EAST and West , as with the Temple ,sure to be connections...
There plenty of scrips which relate to the OTHER side,( both sides Two sides) the Disciples taking No Bread, Christ when noticing the Mulititudes moves to the OTHER side,...Tis much there but havent linked it as such
Its the REWARD at the END which GADARENES means intrigues me also, as It was With Legion...becoming of sound Mind, which starts the and ends the Passage...Much In the Middle is easier to see....
Talk more tomorrow sis
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Absolutely G I realize theres many connections everywhere and since finding a few in there I was curious as to what you could show me in this one as you mention it because I hadnt made one yet in regards to it yet :grin: I'm curious though! They entered into Gaderenes (reward at the end) but that sure wasnt such a great place go was it?
I was just curious if you had some more you could tell me cause you know me I love that stuff :grin:
Thanks G :HeartThrob:
Nothing solid on that section sis...sorry. :icon_flower:
yeah I went too bed for an two hrs and lay there , had a Sneezing fit...so got up again..tis getting on for 2am :icon_flower:
:cloud9: rosered, I just love the way you pull up what's pertinent with the Strong's and all. It really is helpful to see it, it triggers more. Blessings....
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:cloud9: rosered, I just love the way you pull up what's pertinent with the Strong's and all. It really is helpful to see it, it triggers more. Blessings....
Thanks sis , I am so curious about it all , I am in awe and wonder of the ways of the Lord sis , even this desire to look I am certain He places within our being :cloud9: I do thank Him for every little thing given of Himself
the mysteries of God and the depth of Him are so past finding out .....
oh i knew it was something like that , so I just found it lol .. :mblush:
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen. :thumbsup:
:cloud9: Amen, the excitement of every little thing I discover has never lost it's thrill. I'm like a kid in a candy store, LOL, and I'm not ashamed to be. He just blows me away. Blessings....