Hopefully this is clearer.
Rom 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
I have always been told that this "one man" was/is adam. Here is where, for me anyway, I get to reasoning, the Bible does not say in Gen.3 that man/woman/adam sinned.
Now in Gen. 4:7 is the first time "sin" is used and it is in reference to Cain.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
I am given to see that Adam is man(kind) Cain/adam/man(kind) commited sin.
Just as in Adam all die. How does that statement affect your hypothesis? I don't know if I'm fully understanding what you meant, so sorry if you're talking apples and I'm talking oranges.
Well just who is adam in your question? Isnt adam/man/mankind of Gen.2:7 the first man or 1Co 15:45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, ?
I agree with your last statement. In your OP were you implying that cain was the first to sin? And that Adam in this case means cain (mankind)? :dontknow:
As above. If Adam did not sin then who is the one man, that death passed through mankind?
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 15, 2011, 09:09:59 PM
I agree with your last statement. In your OP were you implying that cain was the first to sin? And that Adam in this case means cain (mankind)? :dontknow:
Can you find anywhere or anyone else who commited a sin in Gen.3 or 4? I believe adam/man is mankind, yes
Quote from: thinktank on June 15, 2011, 09:17:56 PM
As above. If Adam did not sin then who is the one man, that death passed through mankind?
I cannot accept that the proper name adam is a seperate man. H120 H119 H121 =man, adam.
You think Adam = mankind. Interesting, sort of same idea as me, but I go back a bit further in Genesis 1 where we mankind lived before we were birthed into the world as souls, and I see Adam and Eve as one soul or two separate souls rather.
But what do you make of this scripture
Eve was in the transgression.
Isn't that a sin?
So was Cain a proper name? I'm open to this line of thought, but where do Cain and Able come from or is all that allegory too? Is the whole book of Genesis an allegory (only)? The whole Bible?
I'm not asking for the sake of argument btw, these are questions I have the more I think about the allegory.
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 15, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: thinktank on June 15, 2011, 09:17:56 PM
As above. If Adam did not sin then who is the one man, that death passed through mankind?
I cannot accept that the proper name adam is a seperate man. H120 H119 H121 =man, adam.
ACVGenesis 41 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from LORD.
Adam is mankind is a bit weird in this verse...
Whole mankind slept with Eve, and she gave birth to Cain.
Quote from: thinktank on June 15, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
You think Adam = mankind. Interesting, sort of same idea as me, but I go back a bit further in Genesis 1 where we mankind lived before we were birthed into the world as souls, and I see Adam and Eve as one soul or two separate souls rather.
But what do you make of this scripture
Eve was in the transgression.
Isn't that a sin?
"But what do you make of this scripture
Eve was in the transgression." What scripture?
And I am not questioning the transgression/sin/disobedience,...SIN is not mentioned until Gen.4:7
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 15, 2011, 09:37:31 PM
So was Cain a proper name? I'm open to this line of thought, but where do Cain and Able come from or is all that allegory too? Is the whole book of Genesis an allegory (only)? The whole Bible?
I'm not asking for the sake of argument btw, these are questions I have the more I think about the allegory.
Cain is a proper name Adam is a proper name, as well as Abel, I believe their meanings tell a good part of what I/we need to know.
Gen 4:1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, `I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
Now the word "knew" is for me very interesting. Its been said to mean "intercourse" yet its meaning has nothing to do with sex. There are about a dozen verses in the Bible were that word "knew" "yada" has to do with sexual intercourse, but the whole of the word H3045
ידע
yâda‛
yaw-dah'
A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment, etc.): - acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.
And by the way that very same word is used in Gen.3:7 and there is not sex involved.
conceived, H2029 A primitive root; to be (or become) pregnant, conceive
(literally of figuratively): - been, be with child, conceive, progenitor. See James 1:15 "conceived"G4815 sullambanō From G4862 and G2983; to clasp, that is, seize (arrest, capture); specifically to conceive (literally or figuratively); by implication to aid: - catch, conceive, help, take.
For me the words "knewand conceived I believe hold much and then to see that the word "knowledge" Gen. 2:17 is the same as knew.
To make it short, it was the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil that CONCEIVED Cain H7013 From H6969 in the original sense of fixity;
a lance (as striking fast): - spear. And Abel H1892 From H1891;
emptiness or vanity; figuratively something
transitory and unsatisfactory; often used as an adverb: - X altogether, vain, vanity.
For what we see is Good and Evil, the same situation we are in now, the fight between good and evil. That fact I believe that Abel was empty of all evil(bad) made him satisfactory for the purpose, now. Cain is the lance and striking fast, Cain was needed, Abel, well for me he is the path that takes us to completion.
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 15, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 15, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: thinktank on June 15, 2011, 09:17:56 PM
As above. If Adam did not sin then who is the one man, that death passed through mankind?
I cannot accept that the proper name adam is a seperate man. H120 H119 H121 =man, adam.
ACVGenesis 4
1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from LORD.
Adam is mankind is a bit weird in this verse...
Whole mankind slept with Eve, and she gave birth to Cain.
Hey my friend you are very good at study(layin on the butter) anyway check out the words, "knowledge" "knew" and "conceived" and tell me if you find anything to do with sex, as in intercourse. I believe that the word "conceived" can be a thought of imagination, something that will produce if worked with.
"....even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression..."
It appears to me that Paul is clearly saying that Adam sinned. Death reigned over all, even those who had not "sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression", which in another place Paul describes as "rebellion against a direct command"-(command from God) Cain's sin was murder- not after the similtude of Adams sin, but also sin, and death reigned over Cain because he was "in Adam". Death has reigned over all until Christ brought the Lordship of life. Now Life is "swallowing up" death.
"death where is thy sting" for the sting of sin is death, and the power of death is the grave- but Jesus has taken the keys to the grave and death. Death, "Where is thy victory?"
" death reigned over Cain because he was "in Adam"
I believe now it is being uncovered! Thanks and Praise the Lord :grin:
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 03:22:45 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 15, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 15, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: thinktank on June 15, 2011, 09:17:56 PM
As above. If Adam did not sin then who is the one man, that death passed through mankind?
I cannot accept that the proper name adam is a seperate man. H120 H119 H121 =man, adam.
ACVGenesis 4
1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from LORD.
Adam is mankind is a bit weird in this verse...
Whole mankind slept with Eve, and she gave birth to Cain.
Hey my friend you are very good at study(layin on the butter) anyway check out the words, "knowledge" "knew" and "conceived" and tell me if you find anything to do with sex, as in intercourse. I believe that the word "conceived" can be a thought of imagination, something that will produce if worked with.
Every time a man knew a woman the next verse speaks about birth. That one simple fact is a strong hint for me.
If "knew" simply means they were friends or neighbours then why even mention it? It's clear from other verses they lived together for a long time before.
Let's take a look at: Gen 4:1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, `I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
knewH3045:
ידע
yâda‛
BDB Definition:
1) to know
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to know
1a1a) to know, learn to know
1a1b) to perceive
1a1c) to perceive and see, find out and discern
1a1d) to discriminate, distinguish
1a1e) to know by experience
1a1f) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess
1a1g) to consider
1a2) to know, be acquainted with
1a3) to know (a person carnally)
1a4) to know how, be skilful in
1a5) to have knowledge, be wise
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be made known, be or become known, be revealed
1b2) to make oneself known
1b3) to be perceived
1b4) to be instructed
1c) (Piel) to cause to know
1d) (Poal) to cause to know
1e) (Pual)
1e1) to be known
1e2) known, one known, acquaintance (participle)
1f) (Hiphil) to make known, declare
1g) (Hophal) to be made known
1h) (Hithpael) to make oneself known, reveal oneself
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 848
H853.... off-topic alert! :winkgrin:
The famous 4th word (http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/word_studies/the_fourth_word_8391.msg99558.html#msg99558)
You don't read it in the English translations but the next word is ath
So it reads Adam knew ath Eve
את
'êth
BDB Definition:
1) sign of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative
Part of Speech: untranslated particle
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: apparent contracted from H226 (WW: miraculous sign) in the demonstrative sense of entity
Same Word by TWOT Number: 186
conceiveth simply means get pregnant
Bare means the same as in modern English
This word is also directly followed by eth.
and bare ath Cain
Followed you along to here "conceiveth simply means get pregnant" please show me where conceiveth "simply means get pregnant" in its definition.
I would say the same for "knew" YADA in a meaning of sexual intercourse, unless one goes by how religion has taught. Say like in
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;
And the fourth word has its purpose, love it.
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 06:23:49 PM
Followed you along to here "conceiveth simply means get pregnant" please show me where conceiveth "simply means get pregnant" in its definition.
הרה
hârâh
BDB Definition:
1) to conceive, become pregnant, bear, be with child, be conceived, progenitor
1a) (Qal) to conceive, become pregnant
1b) (Pual) to be conceived
1c) (Poel) to conceive, contrive, devise
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 515
QuoteI would say the same for "knew" YADA in a meaning of sexual intercourse, unless one goes by how religion has taught. Say like in
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;
I'm aware it's not even in the Strongs defenition. I don't have much time now and will be away most of the weekend but I checked a few verses and the translation of H3045 often is do with lots of fantasy.
First a list with all H3045 verses.
Gen 3:5
Gen 3:7
Gen 3:22
Gen 4:1
Gen 4:9
Gen 4:17
Gen 4:25
Gen 8:11
Gen 9:24
Gen 12:11
Gen 15:8
Gen 15:13
Gen 18:19
Gen 18:21
Gen 19:5
Gen 19:8
Gen 19:33
Gen 19:35
Gen 20:6
Gen 20:7
Gen 21:26
Gen 22:12
Gen 24:14
Gen 24:16
Gen 24:21
Gen 25:27
Gen 27:2
Gen 28:16
Gen 29:5
Gen 30:26
Gen 30:29
Gen 31:6
Gen 31:32
Gen 33:13
Gen 38:9
Gen 38:16
Gen 38:26
Gen 39:6
Gen 39:8
Gen 41:21
Gen 41:31
Gen 41:39
Gen 42:23
Gen 42:33
Gen 42:34
Gen 43:7
Gen 43:22
Gen 44:15
Gen 44:27
Gen 45:1
Gen 47:6
Gen 48:19
Exod 1:8
Exod 2:4
Exod 2:14
Exod 2:25
Exod 3:7
Exod 3:19
Exod 4:14
Exod 5:2
Exod 6:3
Exod 6:7
Exod 7:5
Exod 7:17
Exod 8:10
Exod 8:22
Exod 9:14
Exod 9:29
Exod 9:30
Exod 10:2
Exod 10:7
Exod 10:26
Exod 11:7
Exod 14:4
Exod 14:18
Exod 16:6
Exod 16:12
Exod 16:15
Exod 18:11
Exod 18:16
Exod 18:20
Exod 21:36
Exod 23:9
Exod 29:46
Exod 31:13
Exod 32:1
Exod 32:22
Exod 32:23
Exod 33:5
Exod 33:12
Exod 33:13
Exod 33:16
Exod 33:17
Exod 34:29
Exod 36:1
Lev 4:14
Lev 4:23
Lev 4:28
Lev 5:1
Lev 5:3
Lev 5:4
Lev 5:17
Lev 5:18
Lev 23:43
Num 10:31
Num 11:16
Num 12:6
Num 14:31
Num 14:34
Num 16:5
Num 16:28
Num 16:30
Num 20:14
Num 22:6
Num 22:19
Num 22:34
Num 24:16
Num 31:17
Num 31:18
Num 31:35
Num 32:23
Deut 1:13
Deut 1:15
Deut 1:39
Deut 2:7
Deut 3:19
Deut 4:9
Deut 4:35
Deut 4:39
Deut 7:9
Deut 7:15
Deut 8:2
Deut 8:3
Deut 8:5
Deut 8:16
Deut 9:2
Deut 9:3
Deut 9:6
Deut 9:24
Deut 11:2
Deut 11:28
Deut 13:2
Deut 13:3
Deut 13:6
Deut 13:13
Deut 18:21
Deut 20:20
Deut 21:1
Deut 22:2
Deut 28:33
Deut 28:36
Deut 28:64
Deut 29:4
Deut 29:6
Deut 29:16
Deut 29:26
Deut 31:13
Deut 31:21
Deut 31:27
Deut 31:29
Deut 32:17
Deut 33:9
Deut 34:6
Deut 34:10
Josh 2:4
Josh 2:5
Josh 2:9
Josh 3:4
Josh 3:7
Josh 3:10
Josh 4:22
Josh 4:24
Josh 8:14
Josh 14:6
Josh 22:22
Josh 22:31
Josh 23:13
Josh 23:14
Josh 24:31
Judg 2:10
Judg 3:1
Judg 3:2
Judg 3:4
Judg 6:37
Judg 8:16
Judg 11:39
Judg 13:16
Judg 13:21
Judg 14:4
Judg 15:11
Judg 16:9
Judg 16:20
Judg 17:13
Judg 18:5
Judg 18:14
Judg 19:22
Judg 19:25
Judg 20:34
Judg 21:11
Judg 21:12
Ruth 2:1
Ruth 2:11
Ruth 3:3
Ruth 3:4
Ruth 3:11
Ruth 3:14
Ruth 3:18
Ruth 4:4
1Sam 1:19
1Sam 2:12
1Sam 3:7
1Sam 3:13
1Sam 3:20
1Sam 4:6
1Sam 6:2
1Sam 6:3
1Sam 6:9
1Sam 10:8
1Sam 10:11
1Sam 12:17
1Sam 14:3
1Sam 14:12
1Sam 14:38
1Sam 16:3
1Sam 16:16
1Sam 16:18
1Sam 17:28
1Sam 17:46
1Sam 17:47
1Sam 17:55
1Sam 18:28
1Sam 20:3
1Sam 20:7
1Sam 20:9
1Sam 20:30
1Sam 20:33
1Sam 20:39
1Sam 21:2
1Sam 22:3
1Sam 22:6
1Sam 22:15
1Sam 22:17
1Sam 22:22
1Sam 23:9
1Sam 23:17
1Sam 23:22
1Sam 23:23
1Sam 24:11
1Sam 24:20
1Sam 25:11
1Sam 25:17
1Sam 26:4
1Sam 26:12
1Sam 28:1
1Sam 28:2
1Sam 28:9
1Sam 28:14
1Sam 28:15
1Sam 29:9
2Sam 1:5
2Sam 1:10
2Sam 2:26
2Sam 3:25
2Sam 3:26
2Sam 3:37
2Sam 3:38
2Sam 5:12
2Sam 7:20
2Sam 7:21
2Sam 11:16
2Sam 11:20
2Sam 12:22
2Sam 14:1
2Sam 14:20
2Sam 14:22
2Sam 15:11
2Sam 17:8
2Sam 17:10
2Sam 17:19
2Sam 18:29
2Sam 19:6
2Sam 19:20
2Sam 19:22
2Sam 19:35
2Sam 22:44
2Sam 24:2
2Sam 24:13
1Kgs 1:4
1Kgs 1:11
1Kgs 1:18
1Kgs 1:27
1Kgs 2:5
1Kgs 2:9
1Kgs 2:15
1Kgs 2:32
1Kgs 2:37
1Kgs 2:42
1Kgs 2:44
1Kgs 3:7
1Kgs 5:3
1Kgs 5:6
1Kgs 8:38
1Kgs 8:39
1Kgs 8:43
1Kgs 8:60
1Kgs 9:27
1Kgs 14:2
1Kgs 17:24
1Kgs 18:12
1Kgs 18:36
1Kgs 18:37
1Kgs 20:7
1Kgs 20:13
1Kgs 20:22
1Kgs 20:28
1Kgs 22:3
2Kgs 2:3
2Kgs 2:5
2Kgs 4:1
2Kgs 4:9
2Kgs 4:39
2Kgs 5:7
2Kgs 5:8
2Kgs 5:15
2Kgs 7:12
2Kgs 8:12
2Kgs 9:11
2Kgs 10:10
2Kgs 10:11
2Kgs 17:26
2Kgs 19:19
2Kgs 19:27
1Chr 12:32
1Chr 14:2
1Chr 16:8
1Chr 17:18
1Chr 17:19
1Chr 21:2
1Chr 28:9
1Chr 29:17
2Chr 2:7
2Chr 2:8
2Chr 2:12
2Chr 2:13
2Chr 2:14
2Chr 6:29
2Chr 6:30
2Chr 6:33
2Chr 8:18
2Chr 12:8
2Chr 13:5
2Chr 20:12
2Chr 23:13
2Chr 25:16
2Chr 32:13
2Chr 32:31
2Chr 33:13
Neh 2:16
Neh 4:11
Neh 4:15
Neh 6:16
Neh 8:12
Neh 9:10
Neh 9:14
Neh 10:28
Neh 13:10
Esth 1:13
Esth 2:11
Esth 2:22
Esth 4:1
Esth 4:5
Esth 4:11
Esth 4:14
Job 5:24
Job 5:25
Job 5:27
Job 8:9
Job 9:2
Job 9:5
Job 9:21
Job 9:28
Job 10:2
Job 10:13
Job 11:6
Job 11:8
Job 11:11
Job 12:9
Job 13:2
Job 13:18
Job 13:23
Job 14:21
Job 15:9
Job 15:23
Job 18:21
Job 19:6
Job 19:13
Job 19:14
Job 19:25
Job 19:29
Job 20:4
Job 20:20
Job 21:19
Job 21:27
Job 22:13
Job 23:3
Job 23:5
Job 23:10
Job 24:1
Job 24:16
Job 26:3
Job 28:7
Job 28:13
Job 28:23
Job 29:16
Job 30:23
Job 31:6
Job 32:7
Job 32:22
Job 34:2
Job 34:4
Job 34:33
Job 35:15
Job 36:26
Job 37:5
Job 37:7
Job 37:15
Job 37:16
Job 37:19
Job 38:3
Job 38:4
Job 38:5
Job 38:12
Job 38:18
Job 38:21
Job 38:33
Job 39:1
Job 39:2
Job 40:7
Job 42:2
Job 42:3
Job 42:4
Job 42:11
Ps 1:6
Ps 4:3
Ps 9:10
Ps 9:16
Ps 9:20
Ps 14:4
Ps 16:11
Ps 18:43
Ps 20:6
Ps 25:4
Ps 25:14
Ps 31:7
Ps 31:11
Ps 32:5
Ps 35:8
Ps 35:11
Ps 35:15
Ps 36:10
Ps 37:18
Ps 39:4
Ps 39:6
Ps 40:9
Ps 41:11
Ps 44:21
Ps 46:10
Ps 48:3
Ps 50:11
Ps 51:3
Ps 51:6
Ps 53:4
Ps 55:13
Ps 56:9
Ps 59:13
Ps 67:2
Ps 69:5
Ps 69:19
Ps 71:15
Ps 73:11
Ps 73:16
Ps 73:22
Ps 74:5
Ps 74:9
Ps 76:1
Ps 77:14
Ps 77:19
Ps 78:3
Ps 78:5
Ps 78:6
Ps 79:6
Ps 79:10
Ps 81:5
Ps 82:5
Ps 83:18
Ps 87:4
Ps 88:8
Ps 88:12
Ps 88:18
Ps 89:1
Ps 89:15
Ps 90:11
Ps 90:12
Ps 91:14
Ps 92:6
Ps 94:11
Ps 95:10
Ps 98:2
Ps 100:3
Ps 101:4
Ps 103:7
Ps 103:14
Ps 104:19
Ps 105:1
Ps 106:8
Ps 109:27
Ps 119:75
Ps 119:79
Ps 119:125
Ps 119:152
Ps 135:5
Ps 138:6
Ps 139:1
Ps 139:2
Ps 139:4
Ps 139:14
Ps 139:23
Ps 140:12
Ps 142:3
Ps 143:8
Ps 144:3
Ps 145:12
Ps 147:20
Prov 1:2
Prov 1:23
Prov 3:6
Prov 4:1
Prov 4:19
Prov 5:6
Prov 7:23
Prov 9:9
Prov 9:13
Prov 9:18
Prov 10:9
Prov 10:32
Prov 12:10
Prov 12:16
Prov 14:7
Prov 14:10
Prov 14:33
Prov 17:27
Prov 22:19
Prov 22:21
Prov 23:35
Prov 24:12
Prov 24:14
Prov 24:22
Prov 27:1
Prov 27:23
Prov 28:2
Prov 28:22
Prov 29:7
Prov 30:3
Prov 30:4
Prov 30:18
Prov 31:23
Eccl 1:17
Eccl 2:14
Eccl 2:19
Eccl 3:12
Eccl 3:14
Eccl 3:21
Eccl 4:13
Eccl 5:1
Eccl 6:5
Eccl 6:8
Eccl 6:10
Eccl 6:12
Eccl 7:22
Eccl 7:25
Eccl 8:1
Eccl 8:5
Eccl 8:7
Eccl 8:12
Eccl 8:16
Eccl 8:17
Eccl 9:1
Eccl 9:5
Eccl 9:11
Eccl 9:12
Eccl 10:14
Eccl 10:15
Eccl 11:2
Eccl 11:5
Eccl 11:6
Eccl 11:9
Song 1:8
Song 6:12
Isa 1:3
Isa 5:5
Isa 5:19
Isa 6:9
Isa 7:15
Isa 7:16
Isa 8:4
Isa 9:9
Isa 12:4
Isa 12:5
Isa 19:12
Isa 19:21
Isa 29:11
Isa 29:12
Isa 29:15
Isa 29:24
Isa 33:13
Isa 37:20
Isa 37:28
Isa 38:19
Isa 40:13
Isa 40:14
Isa 40:21
Isa 40:28
Isa 41:20
Isa 41:22
Isa 41:23
Isa 41:26
Isa 42:16
Isa 42:25
Isa 43:10
Isa 43:19
Isa 44:8
Isa 44:9
Isa 44:18
Isa 45:3
Isa 45:4
Isa 45:5
Isa 45:6
Isa 45:20
Isa 47:8
Isa 47:11
Isa 47:13
Isa 48:6
Isa 48:7
Isa 48:8
Isa 49:23
Isa 49:26
Isa 50:4
Isa 50:7
Isa 51:7
Isa 52:6
Isa 53:3
Isa 55:5
Isa 56:10
Isa 56:11
Isa 58:3
Isa 59:8
Isa 59:12
Isa 60:16
Isa 61:9
Isa 63:16
Isa 64:2
Isa 66:14
Jer 1:5
Jer 1:6
Jer 2:8
Jer 2:19
Jer 2:23
Jer 3:13
Jer 4:22
Jer 5:1
Jer 5:4
Jer 5:5
Jer 5:15
Jer 6:15
Jer 6:18
Jer 6:27
Jer 7:9
Jer 8:7
Jer 8:12
Jer 9:3
Jer 9:6
Jer 9:16
Jer 9:24
Jer 10:23
Jer 10:25
Jer 11:18
Jer 11:19
Jer 12:3
Jer 13:12
Jer 14:18
Jer 14:20
Jer 15:14
Jer 15:15
Jer 16:13
Jer 16:21
Jer 17:4
Jer 17:9
Jer 17:16
Jer 18:23
Jer 19:4
Jer 22:28
Jer 24:7
Jer 26:15
Jer 28:9
Jer 29:11
Jer 29:23
Jer 31:19
Jer 31:34
Jer 32:8
Jer 33:3
Jer 36:19
Jer 38:24
Jer 40:14
Jer 40:15
Jer 41:4
Jer 42:19
Jer 42:22
Jer 44:3
Jer 44:15
Jer 44:28
Jer 44:29
Jer 48:17
Jer 48:30
Jer 50:24
Ezek 2:5
Ezek 5:13
Ezek 6:7
Ezek 6:10
Ezek 6:13
Ezek 6:14
Ezek 7:4
Ezek 7:9
Ezek 7:27
Ezek 10:20
Ezek 11:5
Ezek 11:10
Ezek 11:12
Ezek 12:15
Ezek 12:16
Ezek 12:20
Ezek 13:9
Ezek 13:14
Ezek 13:21
Ezek 13:23
Ezek 14:8
Ezek 14:23
Ezek 15:7
Ezek 16:2
Ezek 16:62
Ezek 17:12
Ezek 17:21
Ezek 17:24
Ezek 19:7
Ezek 20:4
Ezek 20:5
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Ezek 20:11
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Ezek 20:26
Ezek 20:38
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Ezek 21:5
Ezek 22:2
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Ezek 23:49
Ezek 24:24
Ezek 24:27
Ezek 25:5
Ezek 25:7
Ezek 25:11
Ezek 25:14
Ezek 25:17
Ezek 26:6
Ezek 28:19
Ezek 28:22
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Ezek 28:24
Ezek 28:26
Ezek 29:6
Ezek 29:9
Ezek 29:16
Ezek 29:21
Ezek 30:8
Ezek 30:19
Ezek 30:25
Ezek 30:26
Ezek 32:9
Ezek 32:15
Ezek 33:29
Ezek 33:33
Ezek 34:27
Ezek 34:30
Ezek 35:4
Ezek 35:9
Ezek 35:11
Ezek 35:12
Ezek 35:15
Ezek 36:11
Ezek 36:23
Ezek 36:32
Ezek 36:36
Ezek 36:38
Ezek 37:3
Ezek 37:6
Ezek 37:13
Ezek 37:14
Ezek 37:28
Ezek 38:14
Ezek 38:16
Ezek 38:23
Ezek 39:6
Ezek 39:7
Ezek 39:22
Ezek 39:23
Ezek 39:28
Ezek 43:11
Ezek 44:23
Dan 1:4
Dan 2:3
Dan 8:19
Dan 9:25
Dan 10:20
Dan 11:32
Dan 11:38
Hos 2:8
Hos 2:20
Hos 5:3
Hos 5:4
Hos 5:9
Hos 6:3
Hos 7:9
Hos 8:2
Hos 8:4
Hos 9:7
Hos 11:3
Hos 13:4
Hos 13:5
Hos 14:9
Joel 2:14
Joel 2:27
Joel 3:17
Amos 3:2
Amos 3:10
Amos 5:12
Amos 5:16
Jonah 1:7
Jonah 1:10
Jonah 1:12
Jonah 3:9
Jonah 4:2
Jonah 4:11
Mic 3:1
Mic 4:12
Mic 6:5
Nah 1:7
Nah 3:17
Hab 2:14
Hab 3:2
Zeph 3:5
Zech 2:9
Zech 2:11
Zech 4:5
Zech 4:9
Zech 4:13
Zech 6:15
Zech 7:14
Zech 11:11
Zech 14:7
Mal 2:4
ACVGenesis 4
25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son, and called his name Seth. For, [she said], God has appointed for me another seed instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.
He knew his wife again and again she got a child....
KJV 1611Genesis 18
21 I will goe downe now, and see whether they haue done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come vnto me: and if not, I will know.
YLTGenesis 19
5 and they call unto Lot and say to him, `Where are the men who have come in unto thee to-night? bring them out unto us, and we know them.'
YLTGenesis 19
8 lo, I pray you, I have two daughters, who have not known any one; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do to them as is good in your eyes; only to these men do not anything, for therefore have they come in within the shadow of my roof.'
---> Is this verse about daughters who are still virgin? Or are don't they have any friends or similar?
ACVGenesis 3
22 And LORD God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us--to know good and evil--and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever--
-->why: of us ?
YLTGenesis 43
22 and other money have we brought down in our hand to buy food; we have not known who put our money in our bags.'
-> Not?
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. KJV+
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. KJV+
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. KJV+
Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. KJV+
Judg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD. KJV+
1Sam 1:19 And they rose up in the morning early, and worshipped before the LORD, and returned, and came to their house to Ramah: and Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the LORD remembered her. KJV+
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 07:27:54 AM
" death reigned over Cain because he was "in Adam"
I believe now it is being uncovered! Thanks and Praise the Lord :grin:
For as "in Adam" all men die, so also "in Christ" shall all men be made alive.(1 Cor 15:22) -but each in his own order!
We are the firstfruits
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That
in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will:
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.(Eph 1:9-12)
The gathering together of all things into one(anakephalaiomai Eph 1:10) "in Christ" is the taking of everything that is held by death(limit/separation/hostility/chaos) and liberating everything into "life eternal"(infinite-ness/union/communion/peace).
We are the kingdom of priests and of God "in Christ"- the vanguard of the restoration of all things.
For I consider that
the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with
the glory that is to be revealed in us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that
the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that
the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
(Rom 8:18-23)
We are the firstfruits
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
In the ages to come(Eph 2:7) we will participate in the "reconcilation of all things through the blood of His cross" (Col 1:16-20)This is part of why we "eagerly await" the redemption of our bodies- a declaration that we are sons, even as Christ was "declared to be the son of God by the resurrection of the dead"(Ro 1:4)
God was in Christ "reconciling the world unto Himself'"and we have been entrusted with the "ministry of reconciliation", carrying the "word of reconciliation"-(2 Cor 5:17-21)
"How beautiful on the mountainsides are the feet of them that bring good news"- the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ. YAYYY!
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
(Rev 5:13)
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(Php 2:9-11)
Glory! It is "in Christ" that all things are being made new!
Quote from: micah7:9 on Today at 10:23:49 AM
Followed you along to here "conceiveth simply means get pregnant" please show me where conceiveth "simply means get pregnant" in its definition.
הרה
hârâh
BDB Definition:
1) to conceive, become pregnant, bear, be with child, be conceived, progenitor
1a) (Qal) to conceive, become pregnant
1b) (Pual) to be conceived
1c) (Poel) to conceive, contrive, devise
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 515
become pregnant, PREGNANT 1) having (an) offspring developing in the uterus; that has concieved; with young or with child. 2) mentally fertile; prolific of ideas; inventive. 3) production of results; fruitful [a pregnant cause] 4) full of meaning,significance, etc, [a pregnant silence] 5) filled (with) abounding.
WW do you assume that I have not looked at all the space you took up on your post? I didnt just throw this thought out there for it to be devoured by some who may think Im stupid. I am trying to learn as the Lord leads. If you and others want to continue to accept the religious and controlling thinking of the christian and catholic churches go ahead, the Lord told me to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.
Peace and Love Through Jesus
WhiteWings you have good and nice enjoyable time at what ever it is that you are going to do. Be Safe and Gods Speed. :HeartThrob:
:cloud9: Obviously, like everything else in there, it's both literal AND spiritual.
Our "Eve" (our soul, stony heart) gets "pregnant" and conceives every day, birthing twins, until we become single eyed on Him (a double minded man is unstable in all of his ways).
One of the twins is a murderer (Choose ye this day whom ye will serve), because the wheat and the tares are raised up together. And so Jesus (the wheat) said to the ruling "tares" of His age, the Pharisees, ye are of your father the devil and the deeds of your father you will do.
Unfortunately, our fallen nature tends to lean towards having a murderer (a "Barrabas) released unto them, which means more tares sown.
However, God in His mercy and foreknowledge, established that we will have a "crop failure" every SEVEN YEARS (let the land lie fallow = cease from our own works, Christ IS the 7th day of no part darkness). My :2c: Blessings....
Personally, my :2c:, this is the where learning has stopped. "Obviousy, like everything else in there,"