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Title: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: Farlsborough on June 20, 2014, 06:05:17 AM
I'm realising how few types and shadows I understand. Is there a good resource to study them? I'm surprised there isn't a "types and shadows" area on this forum!

Anyway, are you guys able to help flesh this out? Jacob as a type of Jesus. Jacob "rolls away the stone", to provide water. When this shadow is directly referenced in the NT (with Jesus and the Samaritan woman), the well is still standing and is at that point providing water for Samaritans, which is wonderfully poignant in itself.

Furthermore, who does Jacob love, who is his beautiful bride-to-be? The church (Rachel), although they are fewer in numbers (Rachel bears fewer children). Ultimately that well remains for all to drink from (all will be saved), but you can see how Rachel and her sheep (again, Jesus's followers) are the ones that drink from it immediately in the story.

Laban - The Father, welcomes Jacob into his home once he has rolled away the stone, says "surely you are my bone and my flesh" - Jesus same as the father? He stays with Laban for a month... returned to the father? Between them, the daughters are Jacob's wage... "Everyone whom my Father has given me shall come to me".

What I'm still trying to work out what the two periods of labour for Rachel and Leah represent. Obviously Jesus doesn't toil in this sense; His death and resurrection were the victory. What I suspect is that although they are described one after the other, they represent two different options for us: toil for Rachel ("beautiful", work diligently for Christ in this life, a marriage of love) or toil for Leah: ugliness, her name means "weary" - ultimately she is still married to Jacob, but it is a harder, more bitter path. Again referring to the fact that whilst all will be saved, the Bride of Christ will attain a better resurrection.

...perhaps! What do you think?
Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: dougj7 on June 20, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Farlsborough on June 20, 2014, 06:05:17 AM
I'm realising how few types and shadows I understand. Is there a good resource to study them? I'm surprised there isn't a "types and shadows" area on this forum!

Anyway, are you guys able to help flesh this out? Jacob as a type of Jesus. Jacob "rolls away the stone", to provide water. When this shadow is directly referenced in the NT (with Jesus and the Samaritan woman), the well is still standing and is at that point providing water for Samaritans, which is wonderfully poignant in itself.

Furthermore, who does Jacob love, who is his beautiful bride-to-be? The church (Rachel), although they are fewer in numbers (Rachel bears fewer children). Ultimately that well remains for all to drink from (all will be saved), but you can see how Rachel and her sheep (again, Jesus's followers) are the ones that drink from it immediately in the story.

Laban - The Father, welcomes Jacob into his home once he has rolled away the stone, says "surely you are my bone and my flesh" - Jesus same as the father? He stays with Laban for a month... returned to the father? Between them, the daughters are Jacob's wage... "Everyone whom my Father has given me shall come to me".

What I'm still trying to work out what the two periods of labour for Rachel and Leah represent. Obviously Jesus doesn't toil in this sense; His death and resurrection were the victory. What I suspect is that although they are described one after the other, they represent two different options for us: toil for Rachel ("beautiful", work diligently for Christ in this life, a marriage of love) or toil for Leah: ugliness, her name means "weary" - ultimately she is still married to Jacob, but it is a harder, more bitter path. Again referring to the fact that whilst all will be saved, the Bride of Christ will attain a better resurrection.

...perhaps! What do you think?

Hi Farlsborough,

I don't have anything to add to your discussion regarding Rachel and Leah, but I just started reading a book called "Types in Genesis" by Andrew Jukes and the author reveals some of his perceived types and shadows he finds in the book of Genesis. You might find the book helpful in you studies.

Regards, Doug
Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: Farlsborough on June 25, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
Thanks Doug. I just downloaded the eBook so I look forward to delving into that. In the last month of Bible study I have learnt this: that I know nothing about scripture!
Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: gregoryfl on June 25, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: Farlsborough on June 25, 2014, 10:16:09 PMIn the last month of Bible study I have learnt this: that I know nothing about scripture!

And also growing in the knowledge of how much you are known.  :dsunny:

Ronen
Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: dougj7 on June 26, 2014, 02:53:29 AM
Many of Andrew Jukes writings can be found here:

http://www.alampthatburns.net/jukes/jukes.htm

Andrew Jukes wrote a book on Universal Reconciliation called "The Restitution of All Things" that can be found on the above link. His writing style uses very long sentences, and sometimes I have to re-read them because by the time I get to the end of the sentence, I forgot the beginning.  :doh: Ok, I admit that I don't have the best reading comprehension. I found it amazing, the amount of truth which he learned from the King James Bible. Maybe in his time, the words used in the KJV were not so archaic. Though I don't agree with Andrew Jukes writings all of the time, I still get so much information out of his writings.

Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: Cardinal on June 26, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: Farlsborough on June 25, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
Thanks Doug. I just downloaded the eBook so I look forward to delving into that. In the last month of Bible study I have learnt this: that I know nothing about scripture!

:cloud9: That is the paradox. The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know.

The word is like an inexhaustible mine of gold nuggets and precious stones. The more you dig, the more you find. Digging makes you look dirty in the appearance realm, too, so the more you dig and get glimpses of the nearly indescribable beauty of the plan for the ages, the more "unclean" you look to others that are NOT digging, because you have discarded everything you discovered religion taught that DOESN'T fit the plan.

Like David who discarded his garments (all false coverings) to truly worship the Lord, not all the viewing public (particularly those close to you) regard you with esteem for it.  :winkgrin: Happy digging! Blessings.....
Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: WhiteWings on June 27, 2014, 05:04:51 AM
Quote from: Farlsborough on June 25, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
Thanks Doug. I just downloaded the eBook so I look forward to delving into that. In the last month of Bible study I have learnt this: that I know nothing about scripture!
"Only a fool knows everything. A wise man knows how little he knows."
Title: Re: Rachel and Leah, types and shadows.
Post by: eaglesway on June 28, 2014, 08:36:05 AM
Andrew Jukes was a translator and renowned theologian in his day. Was most likely not limited to the KJV :o)