Hello again,
I've been discussing theology for a while over at christianforums.com and a guy came up to write about preterism. I don't know all the details about this theology but according to it Jesus has already come back in the 1st century when the Romans came to sack Jerusalem because the Jews had rebelled.
Isn't it in the bible that Jesus described the second coming and that "this generation would not pass away until it's all been fulfilled". Also, in the then jewish debate whether to accept Roman rule or not, Jesus seemed to have taken the stance to give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God's. The Jews seemed to have waited for a warlord Messiah that would, OT style, make victorious the jewish armies to win over all outsiders and establish Israel again.
Many portions of the Gospels can be seen in that light, Jesus resisting the phariseic notion of law religion, Jesus speaking parables of the kingdom of God having nothing to do with political structures but being within us, and so on. In the parable of the talents he describes the earthly systems of wealth that take away the little that the poor have to give to those who already have much.
This is what I have found so far. And in history, everyone who predicted a futurist second coming was wrong. Any thoughts?
:cloud9: What little I know about it came about from the occasional full preterists (they believe everything already happened) that came here over the years. The flaw in that as I see it, is that for their idea to work, all the books of the NT would have to been written before 70 AD and according to most scholars, that simply isn't true. blessings....
well,when they crucified and rejected Him..they said they had no king but Ceaser...so they were handed over to Caesear for the destruction
of their fleshly nation. In the parable He spoke of a young man that journeyed far and for a long time...to recieve power/authority
and a Kingdom....and to then return to take possesion of it. That is what we look for...when all the kingdoms of the
earth[Nebuchaddnezzers image/ten toes] is struck by this stone not cut out by human hands.
and He will seperate the nations,one from another[those who would not have Him be King over them[God help the USA!]
nation against nation/kingdom against kingdom
He told the nation of Israel'that you will not see me again,until you say 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"
my :2c:
currently..the Un and their NWO agenda has their own plans for their own kingdom over the earth. this represented by the fourth
terrifying beast in Daniel..which is a conglomerate..of body of the leopard/feet of bear/mouth of lion...and if a beast but touch the
Mountain of God..he is to be stoned....and the stone cut out not by human hands shall accomplish this.
Hosea 13;7-11 Daniel 6;7-28 Rev 13;2 beast out of sea
SOS 4;8 Come with me from Lebanon my bride;come with me from Lebanon[see the fire in your eyes!!!] Descend
from the crest of Amana,from the top of Senir,the summit of Hermon.....
FROM THE LION'S DENS AND THE HAUNTS OF THE LEOPARDS.
You have stolen my heart,my sister,my bride, WITH ONE GLANCE OF YOUR EYES[veil removed]
I'm not sure how to understand this yet. On the Tentmaker you can read about this too. Look under Topical Index for Eschatology.
Many things have yet to happen. The key of which is where the antichrist will sit in the temple and say he is god.
2 Thessalonians refers to this fact.
Many of the prophecies of Jesus were fulfilled in AD70 when Rome destroyed Jerusalem.
1.1 million Jews were burned in gehenna - the hell of the lesser translations.
Read this link for the e-book The Destruction of Jerusalem:
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/destruction-of-jerusalem.htm
...look for the scattering of the power of the Holy people[people of faith in Christ]is it not broken up into many many denominations?
the dashing of the power[Holy spirit that leads into all truth as it pertains to Christ]the saints were overcome....teachings of men
doctrines of demons[Constantine/dark ages etc] was not all that a 'great falling away of the church."
Prphesied to,and foreknew by God[Zechariah 13;7 The Shepherd struck the sheep scattered.........
Ezekiel 5;3 but take a few strands of hair and tuck them away in the fold of your garment[not a hair of your head will fall to the earth]
the kingdom of Heaven is like...a woman that took a small amount of leavening and hid it in a bowl with 3 measures of flour.
beware the leavenen of the Pharisees. let the leaven be representative of iniquity...and we see God's chosen people in both
Israel's account and the gentile/christian account doing greater evil than the nations/unbelievers around them.
Let the leaven..be the grace/free gift undeserved..and we see where iniquity abounded..Grace abounded even more in the salvation
of all men. What is impossible with men..is possible with God.
No flesh shall boast....Ezekiel 16;52 Bear your disgrace.for you have furnished some justification for your sister's.Because your
sins were more vile then theirs v 56 you would not even mention your sister Sodom in the day of your pride.
Restoration for all....Truly,truly He has bound up all men in disobedience..in order to have mercy on all..and that no flesh boast.
Sheile, when Jesus separates goat and sheep he speaks of all people. Including christians. What Jesus really says is that every human is his brother and righteousness consists of acknowledging the same and helping and loving everyone. Don't be fooled by the crisis in the Middle East ... muslims are our brothers too. We see that in Europe these days with the many refugees. They're all brethren of Jesus because they are suffering and in need. Don't belong to those who turn a blind eye to that. And the UN is an institution of help amidst the nations. In the former decades things went better with the blue helmet armies of the UN creating peace at many places. It was much easier to get peace work done. It was wrong that the Bush government withdrew help from the UN and went their own way with the invasion of Iraq. You cannot really force people to do what you want, over a long time. They wanted to keep Hussein, they should have been given that right epecially as they had nothing to do with terrorism.
a n reread my post.. :friendstu:
Dan 11'36-43...god of fortresses= a hedge against attack/war...=UN/NWO...attacks the mightiest fortresses[ex USSR]........
he will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god...and will greatly nonour those who acknolwedge him.
he will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price[UN..10 governmental parcels]
US is the major financial contributor to the UN.....there will be a fracas as to whose will the UN will carry out.
He will pitch his royal tents between the sea's at the beautiful holy mountain. seas can be peoples...and royal[ruler]
the beautiful holy mountain is the rulership/dominion of God who rules the earth........when sin entered man..and he bore
the corrupt image...dominion was actually usurped by the adversary.[sin rules]
I put no trust in men[knowing what is in man] especially any program to rule the whole earth and impose your will over
the whole earth. when the power of the holy people has finally been broken,all these things will be completed.
jews and christians have been like two wittness in the earth[God's just commandments of loving what is right/and treating
other's as you would like to be treated] the Beast will overcome and kill this testimony in the whole earth...look around..is not
truth and what is right not being put to death in front of our eyes daily.?
Sheila, we are not supposed to love any country more than others because nationalism is a sin if we want to learn from history. The UNO was founded after the world war to make sure such a war would not happen again. Almost every nation on Earth became a member and for decades the UN ensured peace on our planet. If wars became too threatening they would deploy peace-keeping forces and negotations were opened and the problems were solved diplomatically, not by war. This is really lacking on this world right now where some countries already do what they want without ever listening to the UN. That is why the UNO is to be seen favorably as it tries to make peace on this world. That's why we should not oppose it.
Some programs of the UNO may be unchristian but what do you expect from an organization that literally represents all people on Earth, not just christians. But that is why we christians must also have some humility in order to live in coexistence with people of other faiths like Muslims or Hindus.
We really need the UNO for this world.
LISTEN....the Best protection any man country nation has against the fear of war...IS GOD WITH US...to do right and Love
your fellowman as yourself...I am not patriotic!!!!
my country is Not my god,neither the UN?NWO
Hi Sheila, in that you are right, neither our countries nor the UNO shall be our gods.
I think you meant it that way all the time, right?
yes........... :HeartThrob;
Speaking of the UN, I recall that there is a statue of [pagan deity, name deleted by command of God] in the lobby of the UN building in NY. For that matter, the famous "Statue of Liberty" is very pagan too - a bearer of false light. The US Capitol building has the statue of some Roman goddess on top of the dome. It just goes on and on, and a lot of it is brought about by this country or that trying to emulate old Rome. Such countries will end in the same dustbin of history: United States, Great Britain, Italy, Germany, Russia, and that's just off the top of my head.
I almost forgot - making war with Afghanistan is a sure sign that your country is going down. It's like kicking a tar baby. The Soviet Union fell apart soon after pulling out of its military adventure in Afghanistan, and now it's our turn, I think... :2c:
Well, all I get from world news lately is that we have to try better to be more excellent to each other, also on a global scale. But much good has already transpired from the net where people from all over the world connect. I mean, I am from Germany and you are from America, Sheila and Lazarus, and we meet here and get along pretty well, at least I see nothing to make a fuss about.
About the UN and NWO, I don't know all too much about it. But what I know is that we need fairer systems of economy and politics for the sake of the poor and of societal outcasts, and from them the humility to do their share in life so that everyone can live well enough. That demands more taxes for the truly rich and also some modestry from anyone else so we can transform this world and make it a better place for all of us. The UNO is just a society of the world's diplomats and sometimes they have done much good to the planet, some of which was prompted by christians, but also the other people have the spirit of God in them as the divine spark that has enabled spiritual life for us since our beginning.
god of fortresses...ancient time..Queen of heaven/babylon etc. the last beast[4th] is a chimera of the mix of the preceding 3.
governmental beastly/carnal rulership of men of lawlessness[greedy/lacking natural affection,haters of truth,liars,blasphemers
proud,boastful]man in the corrupt image of the adversary.
I,too,have love for the everday people of this world...but there are powers and principalities who have their own agenda in
High positions of rulership.I'm not even saying the men rulers themselves know what they do...
destroy those who destroy the earth...the Animas river..EPA fiasco..of which a local retired geologist warned of what was coming.
the native americans water source contaminated...and they sent contaminated water in fracking tanks to water their animals etc with.
they ran McCain off the reservation. a possible land grab[uranium on the reservation] The elite are buying water rights/ GMO etc
it is critical...what do you think their intentions are?
the fish of the sea,the birds of the air and the beasts are dying..........all these things must occur[the scriptures be fulfilled]
read agenda 21 of the UN....anti-consumerism..and you will know that the beast turns on the harlot..and why the merchants that
grew rich from her excessive luxuries said what they did.
That's not the UNO which is causing such damage and evil. That's the rich and the powerful, and the UNO is neither of that.
....follow the money.....
It's not landing at the UNO. The rich and the powerful do not care about the UNO.
Jeremiah 28;8,9 from early times the prophets who have preceded you and me have prophesied war[there shall be wars and desolations
unto the end'] disaster and plagues against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be
recognized as one truly sent by the Lord 'only' if his prediction comes true. when they are saying 'Peace and security"
Rev 17; the woman on the beast[harlot that fornicates with 'kings of the earth" v8 the beast which you saw..once was/as league
of nations...now is not/and will come up out of the abyss[league of nations went down when ww2 broke out..reformed appeared after.
v 16 the beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute..they will bring her to ruin and leave her naked,they will
eat her flesh and burn her with fire. FOR GOD HAS PUT IT INTO THEIR HEART'S TO ACCOMPLISH HIS PURPOSE BY AGREEING
TO GIVE THE BEAST THEIR POWER TO RULE,UNTIL GOD'S WORD'S ARE FULFILLED
now Babylon false harlot religion..that commit's fornication with the King's of the earth..can be seen having 3 portions in
Jerusalem..Pope/Rabbi's Islam false religion that wars one with another as Kings of the earth. they each have their designated
areas on the temple mount and the city. Jesus said,'Now,my Kingdom is no part of this world" and these apostate religions
went about as a harlot fornicating with the kings of the earth...and have spilt blood in their wars.
so,most certainly the UN will hate the harlot religions and destroy them.....then thinking the world will have 'peace and security'
and they shall reign.
Zechariah ch 1;11 and they reported to the angel of the Lord standing among the myrtle tree's 'We have gone throughout the earth
and found the whole world at rest and in peace' v 14 'Proclaim this word; this is what the Lord almighty says; I am very jealous
for Jerusalem and Zion..but I am very angry with the nations that feel secure. I was only a little angry,but they added to the calamity"
1 Thess ch 5 Now brother's about times and dates we do not need to write to you,for you know very well that the day of the Lord
will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying 'Peace and Security" destruction will come on them suddenly..as
labour pains on a pregnant woman and they will not escape.
Rev 19;9 Blessed are those invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb 'THESE ARE THE TRUE WORDS OF GOD" not the lies/
confusion of false religion that kills robs and lies to men in the name of God.
in regard to....
; it's not landing at the UNO..the rich and powerful do not care about the UNO.......then why are the merchants/Rich and
Kings/powerful associated with the harlots.and why do they give the 'beast' their power to rule for 'one hour' to destroy her?
why is the harlot..in rich luxury using money to control the beast[first america/now rich muslim countries] the towers come up/
and the towers come down/the towers come up/and down. Buy and sell/trade and merchandise.
you may disagree... Heaven forbid that what appears 'good' unto men..be evil. There is only 'one' good...Jesus said......
'why do you call me good?"
because they desire to rule and trade unhindered by all the problems/ warring occurring because of these harlot religious systems.
Zechariah 12 v2 I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding people reeling. Judah will be beseiged as well
as Jerusalem. On that day when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her,I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock
for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. they may remove harlot religion but not true worship
of God from the earth....that is immovable.
Quote from: sheila on August 28, 2015, 07:46:22 PM
...now Babylon false harlot religion..that commit's fornication with the King's of the earth..can be seen having 3 portions in
Jerusalem..Pope/Rabbi's Islam false religion...
Would the three religions of the Pope, the Rabbi's, and Mohammad be then the three unclean spirits like frogs?
looks like it could be,don't it? egypt plagued with frogs/plagues of Babylon.....Exodus 8;7 but the magicians did the same things..
by their secret arts;they also made frogs come up on the land of Egypt.
...from now on call no man unclean.......croak croak croak infedels! goy! pagans! ? smh............
now... for the shrewd manager parable. the pope says'I think I don't have much time" the Rabbi says 'I expect the Messiah this Sept,
the Muslims..the Madhi is at the door and Jesus Christ comes with him." they start cutting the debt of their fellow man unto the
Master[after allit is the Year of releasing debt/Jubilee to the jews in Messiah/the forgiving as ye are forgiven in the Liberty of Christ/
and the One to lead aright,along with Yeshua unto the Muslims
Luke 16 'What is this I hear about you,give an account of your management,because you can not be manager any longer"
The Master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd
in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light.
I regard the catholic church as a christian church like all the others. And since Vatican 2, a religious council that happened in Rome, much good has been coming forward. Also the current pope is a treat. He really stands up for the poor and for tolerance. I also enjoy the world peace prayers and the meetings with other religions in the Vatican. I don't identify as a real protestant anymore. I'm just a christian loved by God like all the others.
More likely the Pope(europe and america), and the Muslims(arabs and africans), and the Communists(Russia, China N. Korea) imo.
As in the days of Jehoshaphat(2 Chron 20), and in the days of Hezekiah(2 Kings 19) and as prophesied in Revelation, they will surround the Holy City again, and God will be glorified in them when Messiah comes to break them on the wheel..... delivering this planet from the rule of demons and evil men. :dsunny: