Pray for our President Obama!

[reFORMer]

I heard a brother with a widely respected prophetic ministry (John Paul Jackson) say something to the effect that we need to pray for President Obama so the Moslem's extremists, who would make it look racialy motivated, would not be able to assassinate him; because, it would cause riots and murders in the USA that would make Rwanda look like a Sunday School picnic.

(There are some saying to pray for him according to Psalm 109:8:  "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." -- AV  They do not understand the difference between good and evil.  "Or can we say, 'Let's do evil so that good will come from it'? Some slander us and claim that this is what we say. They are condemned, and that's what they deserve." Romans 3:8, -- God's Word)

[Raggedy Anne]

I keep President Obama in my prayers for his safety (as well as his family).    He has had many assassination threats from the racist segments of America since he took office. 
If anything bad happens to him (God forbid), all hell will break loose in America.  Barack Obama identifies in many ways with Abraham Lincoln.  I sure hope he does not share the same fate that Lincoln had.  It would be devastating to our country.

Anne

[jabcat]

I believe we should pray for our leaders, whether we agree with their beliefs or agenda or not - as the scriptures instruct us to do.  Whether they remain in authority, whether God leads them, straightens them out, etc., all according to God's will.  Sometimes He protects us, sometimes He gives us what we "ask for" to wake us up, bring repentance, then healing.  It's a good reminder to pray for our leaders, and continually ask God's will be done - on earth, as it is heaven.

James.

[Beloved Servant]

Sorry Jab,
but I do not consider the brethren part of the Obama nation.
He is not my leader by any sense of the term.

[sparrow]

I believe we should pray for our leaders, whether we agree with their beliefs or agenda or not - as the scriptures instruct us to do.  Whether they remain in authority, whether God leads them, straightens them out, etc., all according to God's will.  Sometimes He protects us, sometimes He gives us what we "ask for" to wake us up, bring repentance, then healing.  It's a good reminder to pray for our leaders, and continually ask God's will be done - on earth, as it is heaven.

James.

I would have to say I really agree with this. Granted, I tend to keep all things political out of my mind lately. But I feel this is a good thing to do and I haven't been doing it.
Thanks for the reminder you guys.

[reFORMer]

Some have said we ought to pray for our President Obama according to Psalm 109:8, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office."  I don't think they have brought this idea to Lord for His opinion.  After all, He defeats His enemies by changing them into friends, overcoming evil with good.

"Or can we say, "Let's do evil so that good will come from it"? Some slander us and claim that this is what we say. They are condemned, and that's what they deserve." (Romans 3:8, God's Word)

I heard a brother with a widely respected prophetic ministry (John Paul Jackson) say something to the effect that we need to pray for President Obama so the Moslem's extremists, who would make it look racially motivated, would not be able to assassinate him.  And, if it should happen, it would cause riots and murders in the USA that would make Rwanda look like a Sunday School picnic.

How much we need God to reveal in us His Son Who says:

Matthew 5:43-48 (Young's Literal)...
43 `Ye heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and shalt hate thine enemy;
44 but I--I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you falsely, and persecuting you,
45 that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous.
46 `For, if ye may love those loving you, what reward have ye? do not also the tax-gatherers the same?
47 and if ye may salute your brethren only, what do ye abundant? do not also the tax-gatherers so?
48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is perfect.

Romans 12:14, 16-21 (Young's Literal)...
14 Bless those persecuting you; bless, and curse not;
16 ...become not wise in your own conceit...
17 giving back to no one evil for evil; providing right things before all men.
18 If possible--so far as in you--with all men being in peace;
19 not avenging yourselves, beloved, but give place to the wrath, for it hath been written, `Vengeance is Mine,
20 I will recompense again, saith the Lord;' if, then, thine enemy doth hunger, feed him; if he doth thirst, give him drink; for this doing, coals of fire thou shalt heap upon his head;
21 Be not overcome by the evil, but overcome, in the good, the evil.

Until Unconditional Love is established in us we are still under tutors and governors, subject to the elements of this world.  Grace is not based on something in youself or it would be unstable.  Grace is foundational to the nature of God Who changes not.  His is not a maybe, maybe not being.  He is the Absolute.  Unconditional Love is both the sum and the indispensable quality of the Divine nature we are partaking of to be being born from above.  Mercy is God's darling attribute.  He says, "I will mercy, and not sacrifice."  Mercy in Hebrew is chesed, "the ardor to fulfill," and is covenantal love in action.  Grace in Greek is charis, "the result of the need met, that which fills full."   The Glory rests upon the Mercy Throne, the Throne of Grace.  He rules by blessing.  As the seed of Abraham we inherit the world.  As the seed of David we have the right to rule it.  We must become Overcomers in the same way Jesus overcame to sit with Him in His Father's throne.   The Throne of Mercy must be established in us before we can rule.  At the center, ruling over all, the Word, Who is the Image and Glory of God, rests upon the Mercy Throne.

1 Timothy 2:1-6 (Authorized Version)...
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

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God's will in this matter is abundantly apparent.  We are to pray for good to overcome evil and to bring to naught evil schemes from depraved minds.  We are to pray "for," not "against" all persons in authority.  We should pray for their barrenness...O LORD, flood with fulfilling mercies!


your brother, James M. Rohde

[Molly]

I heard a brother with a widely respected prophetic ministry (John Paul Jackson) say something to the effect that we need to pray for President Obama so the Moslem's extremists, who would make it look racially motivated, would not be able to assassinate him.  And, if it should happen, it would cause riots and murders in the USA that would make Rwanda look like a Sunday School picnic.

I have been listening to him since you mentioned his name--enjoying it.  I think he is saying that if such a thing were to happen it would be made to look like it was done by a white 'supremist,' thereby motivating a race war in the states.

First of all, there are no white supremists of the variety that think that those of other races should be killed.   At least, none that are sane. This is mostly a made up story portrayed and spread by actors.   Secondly, if the whole country would become enlightened by the truth, there would be no race war ever.  They have been trying to start a race war for the last 40 years in this country and it has not yet worked.  I will pray that it remain that way.

PS If this were a 'racist' country, Obama never would have been elected in the first place.  Let's put that lie to rest once and for all, too.

[Raggedy Anne]

No racism in America?  You must be kidding!  Not only are there racists in America, but they invoke the name of God and Christ.

Baptist Pastor Prays for Obama's Death
Pastor Steven Anderson: "I hope that God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy."
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-obama-preacher,0,6513505.story

Phoenix Pastor Draws Protests After Telling Church He Prays for Obama's Death
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/31/phoenix-pastor-draws-protests-telling-church-prays-obamas-death/


Pastor Drake Prays For Obama's Death.
By John Amato
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pastor-drake-prays-obamas-death-im-not

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: They've clearly forgotten the principle of sowing and REAPING........ :sigh:

[Molly]

No racism in America?  You must be kidding!  Not only are there racists in America, but they invoke the name of God and Christ.

I said that America is not a racist country or Obama would never have been elected.  I am right about that.

We are also still a free country--where people are free to voice their opinions, even if you don't like them--and their opinions might have nothing to do with race.  ha!

[reFORMer]

...concerning those that pray for Obama's death:

:cloud9: They've clearly forgotten the principle of sowing and REAPING........ :sigh:

This reminds me of a time when I was told by a new manager at theg restaurant where I worked that was owned by Christians, as even he claimed to be, that I would be eliminated if I spoke to any more customers about God.  Now I had just prior to this been impressed to go and speak to a lady that had come through the buffet line because she was grieving.  I did and it turned out that her husband had just died two weeks before.  She sent me Christmas cards for years.  Understand the we had a house where many of us who worked there lived.  We had a Christian book nook at the front of the cafe.  Myself and others played hyms and spiritual songs for the lunch and dinner hour.  We had participatory gatherings every morning except Sunday and several evenings a week.  So when I was forbidden to speak on pain of banishment I went back to my post at the dishwasher, raised my hand to Jesus and started to ask God to just remove this manager.  Then I realized I shouldn't ask something for another I'm not willing to ask for myself.  So I thought about it and changed my prayer.  I said to God, "What if I'm not submitting to my elders as he said?  I don't know everything.  But it seems clear that we both can't work here.  I'm asking you to remove one of us."  Within 24 hours that man was gone.  As a family man He was glad to accept the offer of a better job selling cars in a coastal state half the North American continent away.

[Raggedy Anne]

Awesome, ReFORMer,

Who ever would have dreamed that America would have sunken so low as to have men from the pulpit
praying for God to curse the President of the nation.    It is no wonder I stay away from the churches.

[noname]

I said that America is not a racist country or Obama would never have been elected.  I am right about that.

I beg to differ...you might think that and wish that, but that is not what you are showing the rest of the world...

your "wars on civilizations" are nothing BUT racism, your disregard for human life and your support for murderers IS racism

[Molly]

I said that America is not a racist country or Obama would never have been elected.  I am right about that.

I beg to differ...you might think that and wish that, but that is not what you are showing the rest of the world...

your "wars on civilizations" are nothing BUT racism, your disregard for human life and your support for murderers IS racism

Noname, I know you have the heart of God.   The man was elected to stop the wars.  What do you want us to do if he doesn't?  Now all we can do is pray and vote again in 2010.

And, those speaking out against it are called 'racist.'

[WhiteWings]

I said that America is not a racist country or Obama would never have been elected.  I am right about that.

I beg to differ...you might think that and wish that, but that is not what you are showing the rest of the world...

your "wars on civilizations" are nothing BUT racism, your disregard for human life and your support for murderers IS racism

Explain me why it are racist wars? Or perhaps your definition of racism would clarify things also.
Is the war in Iraq as war based on racism? Personally I think it has nothing to do with racism. Just greed and other things.

[WhiteWings]

I said that America is not a racist country or Obama would never have been elected.  I am right about that.

I beg to differ...you might think that and wish that, but that is not what you are showing the rest of the world...

your "wars on civilizations" are nothing BUT racism, your disregard for human life and your support for murderers IS racism

Noname, I know you have the heart of God.   The man was elected to stop the wars.  What do you want us to do if he doesn't?  Now all we can do is pray and vote again in 2010.

And, those speaking out against it are called 'racist.'

Where I live the racist label is very often used by people that don't have arguments. Or just don't grasp what the real motivation of certain actions is. I guess it's pretty much the same elsewhere.
If teh average American is blamed of being racist because he/she voted for a president that wages war at several countries (with people of the same skin color) then also be fair and also claim apartheid in Africa was what the people wanted to have. If they didn't like it they shouldn't have supported it. Both claims are pure nonsense.

[noname]

I said that America is not a racist country or Obama would never have been elected.  I am right about that.

I beg to differ...you might think that and wish that, but that is not what you are showing the rest of the world...

your "wars on civilizations" are nothing BUT racism, your disregard for human life and your support for murderers IS racism

Noname, I know you have the heart of God.   The man was elected to stop the wars.  What do you want us to do if he doesn't?  Now all we can do is pray and vote again in 2010.

And, those speaking out against it are called 'racist.'

Where I live the racist label is very often used by people that don't have arguments. Or just don't grasp what the real motivation of certain actions is. I guess it's pretty much the same elsewhere.
If teh average American is blamed of being racist because he/she voted for a president that wages war at several countries (with people of the same skin color) then also be fair and also claim apartheid in Africa was what the people wanted to have. If they didn't like it they shouldn't have supported it. Both claims are pure nonsense.

racism is much bigger than just the hate between races...it extends to "countryism" or "spherism"...I'll explain...

when 13 US soldiers are killed like they were at Ft Hood...massive investigations must be launched by the FBI, government committees, the vice president...it must be run on all TV news channels over and over again to ad nauseum...BUT...
when almost 2 million people have already died in the ME due to American and NATO aggression, nobody wants to know about it...nobody wants to know about Pakistani civilians being bombed in their homes by US preditor drones...all we get is..."oops...sorry, we made a mistake"...and maybe one little line on this "unfortunate" event in a paper somewhere

or when the babies of Fallujah are born by the hundreds with deformities due depleted uranium exposure and Iraqi doctors send a plea to the UN stating the facts...what coverage or restoration do these families get?

when almost 2000 civilians died in Gaza due to israel's aggression...where was the outcry from the USA and/or Europe?
and when a report was given to all the nations of the earth regarding Israel's gross violations of international law and human rights by one of the world's most respected judges...the USA votes to silence this report

the USA and the so called western world does NOT care about anyone but themselves...this is racism or countryism or spherism of the worst kind

[Molly]

the USA and the so called western world does NOT care about anyone but themselves...this is racism or countryism or spherism of the worst kind

You are talking about a corrupted press.  But, even with the corruption of information, people do care.  Again, the man was elected to stop the wars.  We should pray that he fulfill his mandate, which includes upholding the Constitution of the United States, even if, at this point, it looks like we would be praying for a miracle.

[noname]

the USA and the so called western world does NOT care about anyone but themselves...this is racism or countryism or spherism of the worst kind

You are talking about a corrupted press.  But, even with the corruption of information, people do care.  Again, the man was elected to stop the wars.  We should pray that he fulfill his mandate, which includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

Molly, you have elected this man...it is now your responsibility to hold him accountable...whatever it takes
if your goverment is "for the people by the people", the people must act...else you are a partaker of his sins

[Molly]

the USA and the so called western world does NOT care about anyone but themselves...this is racism or countryism or spherism of the worst kind

You are talking about a corrupted press.  But, even with the corruption of information, people do care.  Again, the man was elected to stop the wars.  We should pray that he fulfill his mandate, which includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

Molly, you have elected this man...it is now your responsibility to hold him accountable...whatever it takes
if your goverment is "for the people by the people", the people must act...else you are a partaker of his sins

The only redress is Congress and the courts, which are also being pursued.  You know, that Congress that was elected to stop the wars four years ago?  People are acting.  But, our system does not protect us against politicians who lie.

[natcat86]

I think most people are a bit racist, it is very ingrained. Just claiming America is not racist is not helpful. By saying it is not racist just reinforces peoples ideas that those of ethnic minorities who say that it is are uppity, have a chip on their sholder, are an angry black woman, aggressive, ungreatful....etc.

Just because the majority voted Obama in doesn't mean the usa isn't racist, it sounds like, "I cant be racist I have a black friend"


the POTUS was voted in because people got to know him, but racism is based on pre judgement, people may have pre judged him but there was so much press coverage, two auto biographies we got to know him really well and people saw more than his race (although there is a very real, significant minority who cannot get passed his skin colour). THe problem is most black people do not get the same chance to be known for who they really are when they are walking down the street and you cluch your purse a little closer, or when they are running for a bus and get stopped by the police the list goes on. Those two examples are bad but I think they are examples of a racism so ingrained it isnt even a conscious behaviour.


The really damaging racism is to think that just because you do not see the country as racist you discount the thousands of testimonies of those who experience racism on a day to day basis and you just reinforce the stereo types I spoke of at the start.

[WhiteWings]

racism is much bigger than just the hate between races...it extends to "countryism" or "spherism"...I'll explain...

Let me start saying I snipped most of reply to make things easier to read.
I agree killing, torture etc etc is not good. No matter if the killed person is black, white, green or blue.
But I simply don't agree with your definition of racism. For me it's, for example, waging war against a country with the only reason that they have the wrong color. KKK style. It's the color that counts.
A country with only blue eyed people invading a country with dark skinned people isn't rascim per definition.
If they invade that country because of skin color... yes that is racism. But what if they invade it for cheap oil, steel, gold, diamonds? That's "just" as war based on greed. I wonder what the situation would be if the all Iraqi people had blond hair and blue eyes. I think that would not have made any difference.

when almost 2000 civilians died in Gaza due to israel's aggression...where was the outcry from the USA and/or Europe?

I can say it bothers some people that live here. Most don't know or don't care. Not because they are 'just Palistinians' but because they don't care about nothing when it doesn't affect them.
A little explanation that imo extremely well explains this topic.
If someone sees the obituaries in the newspaper it's nothing more than a 'news item' Likely to boring to spend time on.
But what if it's the obituary is of their wife or son? Then suddenly the impact is far greater. Why? Just one of many. Just like all the other millions of obituaries that were printed before and after that particular one.
And that's what's going on! Indifference!

So to summarize my opionion:
a- Many/most wars are about resources. => Greed.
b- Propaganda blinds the eyes. Just look at Nazi Germany. Goebels made it sound like there where 3 billion demons on earths. => Blinded.
c- War? We? Where? Ermm.... I don't even know where that country is....? => Uninformed
d- Who cares? Shut up now because I'm watching football on TV. => Hardened hearts

And the points mentioned above is the state of the world we are in. (IMO)
Sure my list wouldn't be complete if I added "e- Racism" but I think that's not the main reason for the current (US) wars.

:Peace:

[Molly]

The really damaging racism is to think that just because you do not see the country as racist you discount the thousands of testimonies of those who experience racism on a day to day basis and you just reinforce the stereo types I spoke of at the start.

We elected a man to the highest office in our land based on what he said he would do, not based on his skin color.  If skin color were an issue, he would not have been elected.  This is not the same as having a 'black friend.'

Everyone is a victim of stereotyping because people make snap judgments about other people, whether you are male or female, young or old, white or black, or a particular ethnic group---you will experience stereotyping, for one reason or another.

That's the human condition.  The human condition is what we must move beyond, not 'racism.'
And, I think we're making very good progress.



2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

[noname]

yes, i s'pose one can argue what racism is or not...it all basically comes down to a situation of "us" vs "them"...that's why I'm so longing for the Kingdom of God to be manifest...cause in the Kingdom there'd only be "us"

come Lord Jesus, come!

[natcat86]

We elected a man to the highest office in our land based on what he said he would do, not based on his skin color.  If skin color were an issue, he would not have been elected.  This is not the same as having a 'black friend.'



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I said that he was voted in because people saw past his race because you got to know him. So we dont disagree there, what I am saying is that voting Obama in doesnt make you a non racist any more thn not voting for him makes you a racist.