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[Tom]

"From those sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach for eonian repulsion." (Daniel 12:2)

But that's not the end of the story.


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[Seth]

I understand your concept of present life eonian, and I think that's in the same sense that we're new creations now. I think that is figuratively speaking, but we'll also literally be new creations when we're changed to spiritual bodies and literally be alive through the eons of the eons regardless of how long the last eon is.

Right I agree with the fact that we will be made immortal. But the idea of "present life eonian" is not MY concept, brother. I'm going off how the Bible defines it.

1 John 3
14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

This is talking about present day aionios life. So, how is it my concept when the Bible defines it for us?

"This is aionios life: that they may know you"

Why must I go beyond that definition to say that aionios zoe is some future two-age dispensation, when the Bible never defines it that way, especially when that viewpoint says that eonian life will end.

If I say that eonian life will end and the Bible says that "eonian life" is to know God, then logically that means that someday I won't know God. Again, if we are getting "nit-picky" why should we go off the Biblical script and define aionios life as life within two future eons that will end?

We're told the next eon is a thousand years even though some say that's figurative language simply indicating a long time. I think life is what it is unless you're a zombie, and eonian simply describes whatever it is associated with as pertaining to the eon or eons because it is the adjective of eon. You could interpret eonian life strictly figuratively if you want to, but it seems to me it can be interpreted both ways.

That's the thing Tom. I don't believe I need to interpret it. The Bible defines it. The Bible literally tells me what "aionios zoe" means, the intended meaning of the phrase. I am simply going by the definition it provides.

[rosered]

Tom, if you can find a scripture that says "and this is aionios life: being literally alive for two future aions" then present it. But for now, I believe the Bible explicitly and plainly defines it as "to know him" and "be in him." I know that doesn't fit very well with a "literal" viewpoint, but nothing in the Bible says that God has to define his own terminology from that viewpoint.

What is aionios life according to the Bible? To know God and to be in God. Did the apostles in the early church abide in God and know him? If the answer is yes, then they had aionios life already according to the Biblical definition, and did not need to wait for two future ages.

  EXACTLY !!! :dsunny:    :goodpost:

Spirit and Truth     is  the concept of   true worship of the Living God    and  life immortal though Jesus Christ ..

   TO KNOW

  THE REAL GOD 1Co 1:24   But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Christ is the anointing  of God though HIS SON         
I have noticed many places when Paul says , The" Christ "     and places where he calls  Him ",Jesus Christ"      and places where He is called the", Lord Jesus Christ"   
  to me they are important  and specific    in meanings      Wisdom is justified of Her children   

  For me   I see the place  in  Revelation  11 where    begin to reign  many hold to the thought that Jesus  has not begun yet , But to me He began to reign  the moment    rising in Acts 1       in  Acts   2    when Jesus Christ by the HOLY SPIRIT     gave those gifts to mankind     

The Ascension
...10And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."
   
...16And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying, "We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.


18"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."...



  The same urgency  back  than when the scriptures were   written , hold the  same   wisdom and power of this day[a day is the 1000 Years and  1000 years is a day  in the eyes of the Lord ]   and age to me ..
 
   

[Tom]

Like I said, bro, figuratively speaking "proceeded out of death into life" because lots of souls that experienced that have died or are dying, but, when we're immortalized, it will be literal eonian life. That's why the doctrine of inherent immortality of the soul confuses the issue. I believe many saints have died and will die and be really dead, not alive in some other form of life, but the dead and living saints will be immortalized when Christ meets us in the air and begin to experience literal life for the remaining eonian time and beyond. I've got to take a break now to take my dad his meds and make sure he eats something. I'll be back in a little while.

[rosered]

 

I believe being in a glorified body   now is being in Christ Body of believers  , this is reigning in /with Christ now  to me   

The Body of Christ Works Together
12 A person's body is ·one thing [a unity; L one], but it has many parts.


Though there are many parts to a body, all those parts make only one body. Christ is like that also.

13 Some of us are Jews, and some are Greeks. Some of us are slaves, and some are free. But we were all baptized into one body ·through [by; in] one Spirit. And we were all made to ·share in [L drink of] the one Spirit.

14 [L For] The ·human body [L body] is not made up of one part, but of many.


15 The foot might say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not part of the body." But saying this would not stop the foot from being a part of the body.


16 The ear might say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not part of the body." But saying this would not stop the ear from being a part of the body.


17 If the whole body were an eye, ·it would not be able to [L how would it...?] hear. If the whole body were an ear, ·it would not be able to [L how would it...?] smell. If each part of the body were the same part, ·there would be no body [L where would the body be?]. But truly God put all the parts, each one of them, in the body as he wanted them.


20 So then there are many parts, but only one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the foot, "I don't need you!"

22 ·No! [L On the contrary,] Those parts of the body that seem to be the weaker are ·really necessary [essential; indispensable].

23 And the parts of the body we think are less ·deserving [honorable] are the parts to which we give ·the most [special; greater] honor. We ·give special respect to [or treat with special modesty] the parts ·we want to hide [that are shameful/unpresentable].

24 The more ·respectable [presentable] parts of our body need no special care. But God put the body together and gave ·more [special] honor to the parts that need it


25 so ·our body would not be divided [or there would be no division in the body]. God wanted the different parts to care the same for each other.

26 If one part of the body suffers, all the other parts suffer with it. Or if one part of our body is ·honored [glorified], all the other parts ·share its honor [L rejoice with it].

27 ·Together you [L You; C the Greek is plural] are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of that body.


28 In the church God has ·given a place first to [appointed/placed first] apostles, second to prophets, and third to teachers, then those who do ·miracles [acts of powers], those who have gifts of healing, those who can help others, those who are able to ·govern [lead], and those who can speak ·in different languages [or with ecstatic utterance; L different kinds of tongues; v. 10].


29 ·Not all are apostles [L Not all are apostles, are they? C vv. 29–30 are all rhetorical questions assuming a negative answer]. Not all are prophets. Not all are teachers. Not all do miracles.


30 Not all have gifts of healing. Not all speak ·in different languages [or with ecstatic utterance; L in tongues]. Not all interpret those ·languages [L tongues].


31 But ·you should truly want to have [eagerly desire; be zealous for] the greater gifts.

And now I will show you ·the best way of all [a better/superior way].


Part of the  learning experience is discerning the Body of Christ     :icon_flower:

[Seth]

Like I said, bro, figuratively speaking "proceeded out of death into life" because lots of souls that experienced that have died or are dying, but, when we're immortalized, it will be literal eonian life. That's why the doctrine of inherent immortality of the soul confuses the issue. I believe many saints have died and will die and be really dead not alive in some other form of life, but the dead and living saints will be immortalized when Christ meets us in the air and begin to experience literal life for the remaining eonian time and beyond. I've got to take a break now to take my dad his meds and make sure he eats something. I'll be back in a little while.

I get it about the inherent immortality issue, and I agree with you about that. I just disagree that eonian life will end considering how the Bible defines eonian life. I know of no Biblical definition of it that relies on a "literal" or physical understanding of life. As Apostle John said, eonian life abides within.

[Tom]

"Verily, I am saying to you that there is no one who leaves a house, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or fields, on My account and on account of the evangel, who should not be getting back a hundredfold now, in this era, houses and brothers and sisters and mother and father and children and fields, with persecutions, and in the coming eon, life eonian." (Mark 10:29,30)

That speaks of life eonian in the coming eon. See the attachment for the difference in translations.

I believe that Christ spoke about having life without death in the future, and those he spoke to are all dead now until the time when they will be resurrected and immortalized to live "eonian life" and beyond. 

I'm sorry if I seem more incoherent than usual today. I've got a fever; my head feels like it's going to explode; and I'm having a hard time breathing. I'm hoping my 90 year old dad doesn't get whatever I have because, the last time he got sick, he had to spend a few days in the hospital.

I think eonian life will be experienced by those who have been immortalized, but the eons will eventually end at which time life during the eons, or eonian life, will end, but life will not because all mankind will have been immortalized. I think the eons had a beginning and will have an end. People die, but I believe all will eventually be given immortality. I think believers will experience that in the coming eons continuing beyond the end of the eons, and unbelievers will experience that beginning with the end of the eons when the last enemy, death, is abolished. That's why it's said that only believers will have eonian life. Unbelievers will be dead in the lake of fire during that time.

I understand the difference in interpretation of scripture with those who identify with Covenant Theology as opposed to Dispensationalism despite the fact that some may say they don't interpret scripture at all because they just believe what it says, but I think everybody interprets scripture according to what they believe. I'm not trying to put anybody down. I'm just offering my personal perspective. I know many people here believe they will never die, but I think an accurate translation of scripture says otherwise. I think the good news is, even though we are all dying and may eventually die, we will be roused from the dead and vivified just as Christ was. It just happens at two different times for believers and unbelievers. Scripture says we believers will be snatched away and vivified when Christ meets us in the air, and unbelievers will be vivified at the consummation of the eons.

If you want to believe that you have eonian life and/or immortality now, that's your thing, but that's not how I see it. At least we all agree that God is the savior of all mankind, and all on the earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross so that God may be all in all.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

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[Tom]

Bro, my head's in a fog right now. Give me chapter and verse for your quote. I want to check it out.

"This is aionios life: that they may know you"

[Seth]

No worries, check out reply 18 and 26. Get better soon

[rosered]

I understand the difference in interpretation of scripture with those who identify with Covenant Theology as opposed to Dispensationism despite the fact that some may say they don't interpret scripture at all because they just believe what it says, but I think everybody interprets scripture according to what they believe. I'm not trying to put anybody down. I'm just offering my personal perspective. I know many people here believe they will never die, but I think an accurate translation of scripture says otherwise. I think the good news is, even though we are all dying and may eventually die, we will be roused from the dead and vivified just as Christ was. It just happens at two different times for believers and unbelievers. Scripture says we believers will be snatched away and vivified when Christ meets us in the air, and unbelievers will be vivified at the consummation of the eons.

If you want to believe that you have eonian life and/or immortality now, that's your thing, but that's not how I see it. At least we all agree that God is the savior of all mankind, and all on the earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross so that God may be all in all.

I do believe this mortal body dies , never will deny that !!
  Hope you start feeling  much better soon !! God bless

I may have interrupted you and Seth If I did I am sorry about that , its just some things become clear  to me when discussing them  ,

it just  like a   flash  its there !!   Have a good evening   folks  :friendstu:

[Seth]

It didn't feel like an interruption. It's not a PM thread after all. I haven't gotten a chance to read your replies yet.  :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

It didn't feel like an interruption. It's not a PM thread after all. I haven't gotten a chance to read your replies yet.  :HeartThrob:

  :friendstu: 

[Tom]

"These things speaks Jesus, and lifting His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, come has the hour. Glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son should be glorifying Thee, according as Thou givest Him authority over all flesh, that everything which Thou hast given to Him, He should be giving it to them, even life eonian. Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ." (John 17:1-3)

I think the context there is not that the literal definition of eonian life is the knowledge of God, but that eonian life is given that they may be knowing him.

"Yet we are aware that the Son of God is arriving, and has given us a comprehension, that we know the True One, and we are in the True One, in His Son, Jesus Christ. This One is the true God and life eonian." (1 John 5:20)

That verse is telling me that God is the source of life during the eons, but we should know that doesn't mean just for the duration of the eons because God transcends time and space.

I don't see those verses as literal definitions of eonian life. So I don't think it's a matter of my opinion vs. a definition in scripture as you say. Instead it seems to me to be a matter of two different interpretations of eonian life.

That was what I thought about the first reply you told me to check out. Now to the next one.

"We are aware that we have proceeded out of death into life, for we are loving our brethren. He who is not loving is remaining in death. Everyone who is hating his brother is a man-killer, and you are aware that no man-killer at all has life eonian remaining in him." (1 John 3:14,15)

I think he's speaking figuratively about "we have proceeded out of death into life" and "no man-killer at all has life eonian remaining in him."

I think Christ is talking about the eonian time when believers will have immortality, the next eon and the one after. Unfortunately the King James confuses the issue by translating "aion" "never" and "forever," but an accurate translation says "for the eon."

As I said before, I don't think the verses you quoted were a literal definition of eonian life. I think all the verses containing "for the eon" or "eonian life" refer to when we will have immortality. I know some folks think we have that now, but I don't. I don't think it's about what you see as a definition vs. just an opinion or interpretation. I think we just have different interpretations of eonian life. I think you're just interpreting some verses as a definition, but I don't see them that way. I don't think the end of the eons means you won't know God anymore as you say. I think the eons will end, but life won't because we will be immortalized then. So it's just life during the eons that will end but not life or our knowledge of God. We should have a much greater knowledge of God then because God will be all in all. I understand your interpretation, but I just don't share it. I'm not condemning you for believing so, but I speak what I believe. We both look at the same verses and have different interpretations. Someday we'll see what's up. Until then I guess we'll just continue to believe our own interpretations of scripture.

I think, if you want a true definition of the phrase "eonian life," all you have to do is break it down to each word's definition. I think "life" is the activity of spirit especially as manifested in the organic creation. I think "eonian" is the adjective form of "eon" which simply means it describes whatever it is relevant to such as "eonian chastening" or "eonian life." I think you need to discern which eon is being spoken of though, and I think Christ is speaking of the eon or eons when we'll have immortality when he speaks of eonian life.

I don't agree that I'm going "off the Biblical script" as you say. I just think you see your interpretation as a "definition" but my interpretation as just my opinion. I don't think your interpretation is a definition, just your perspective just as my interpretation is my perspective. I think everybody interprets scripture, and we all agree on some things and disagree on other things. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this as we sometimes do, but, like I always say, at least we agree that all mankind will eventually have immortality, and all on the earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross so that God may be all in all. Peace, bro.

There was no interruption, sis, as far as I'm concerned. In my opinion everybody should be free to contribute. I like to hear what everybody has to say about anything even if I don't agree. I know you believe you'll never die, but I think that's coming from a King James perspective which ain't my thing anymore. When I say that, I'm not trying to offend folks who like that version. I used to be a die hard King James fan, but I'm not anymore. I think the "never die" thing is better translated "for the eon" rather than "never" because that's what the ancient text seems to indicate. So that's just something we have to agree to disagree about. I'm not trying to be disagreeable tonight just for the sake of making trouble. There are just some things that we see differently.

I hope I haven't been too confusing tonight trying to express my viewpoint. My head is really working with a diminished capacity due to a virus kickin my butt. God bless ya, and good night.

[Seth]

"These things speaks Jesus, and lifting His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, come has the hour. Glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son should be glorifying Thee, according as Thou givest Him authority over all flesh, that everything which Thou hast given to Him, He should be giving it to them, even life eonian. Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ." (John 17:1-3)

I think the context there says not that the definition of eonian life is the knowledge of God but that eonian life is given that they may be knowing him.

"Yet we are aware that the Son of God is arriving, and has given us a comprehension, that we know the True One, and we are in the True One, in His Son, Jesus Christ. This One is the true God and life eonian." (1 John 5:20)

That verse is telling me that God is life during the eons because God is not only the source of our life but life itself that existed before the eons, exists during the eons, and will exist after the eons. As has been said before, God transcends time and space. He created time and space. So although he is eonian life, he is also life beyond the eons in the past and future.

If eonian life refers to literal life, Jesus wouldn't need to give it to us in this present age. We were already literally alive. That's why nonbelievers don't have eonian life.

Look at that bolded part. I agree. GOD IS EONIAN LIFE. That means that it is possible to have life without being immortal. The Bible doesn't say that "immortality is life" and you didn't say it either. The Bible says that GOD is life along with knowing him and abiding in him. That means if we have God we have life, even if we are mortal.

When Jesus says "I am the way the truth and the life" he is defining HIMSELF as the life.
He does not says "immortality is the life."

If Jesus IS eonian life, is Jesus literal? If he is literal and we can have him now, then we have literal eonian life now by receiving him today. Not figurative, because Jesus isn't figurative.

That's why faith is necessary to receive life and we may have it now and without faith we don't. That means if we have Jesus (while mortal) we have eonian life and if we don't have Jesus we don't have life. That's regardless of whether we are literally alive. You must have faith to have life.

As a side note, I personally do not believe that time will end.

I don't see those verses as definitions of eonian life. I agree that we've received eonian life in the present but as a promise for the future when we will not die during the final two eons because we will have been immortalized. So we have it in a figurative sense now just as I said before about being a new creation figuratively now but will literally be so in the future when we're immortalized in spiritual bodies. So I don't think it's a matter of my opinion vs. a definition in scripture as you say. Instead it seems to me to be a matter of two different interpretations of eonian life.

The problem is that there is no explanation of eonian life that involves a literal death/life issue. All the explanations in the Bible about what eonian life is, has to do with ABIDING in God and knowing him. Life is in knowing God and abiding in him. This applies in ANY eon pre-resurrection.

"We are aware that we have proceeded out of death into life, for we are loving our brethren. He who is not loving is remaining in death. Everyone who is hating his brother is a man-killer, and you are aware that no man-killer at all has life eonian remaining in him." (1 John 3:14,15)

I think he's speaking figuratively about "we have proceeded out of death into life" and "no man-killer at all has life eonian remaining in him."

I think you could say we literally have life eonian if you're talking about simply being alive during the eons, but I don't think that's what Christ is talking about when he's talking about eonian life or living "for the eon." I think he's talking about the eon when there will be immortality, the next eon and the one after. Unfortunately the King James confuses the issue by translating "aion" "never" and "forever," but a concordant literal translation says "for the eon."

If the Bible says that God is eonian life and abiding in God and knowing him is having life, then that would mean Christ was talking about Pentecost and beyond, rather than talking about immortality.

Again, if "eonian life" refers to being literally alive, we would have received the promise without needing faith.

I think you're just interpreting some verses as a definition, but I don't see them that way. I don't think the end of the eons means you won't know God anymore as you say.

Whether you call it a "definition" or not, they are the only scriptures that explicitly say "this is aionios life" and then provide the information to explain. "This is aionios life" What is aionios life? This: that we may know him and we are in him. That is God and aionios life.

That is an explanation of what aionios life is. I see nothing in there about immortality or future eons. I just see that God is our life, and that knowing him is life, and that life abides within and that we have passed from death to life if we love the brethren.

[eaglesway]

Eonian life is a categorization of life. It can be literal, because it is what it is and it is real- it is just not mortal life. It is not life in Adam, it is life in Christ. Something can be literal and spiritual at the same time, if the thought is an actual representation of a spiritual reality.

[Seth]

I don't see a difference between spiritual and literal, and maybe is is just how we see words. Maybe a difference between literal and figurative. When Jesus says "I am the life," then that is what I think eonian life is, both literal and spiritual. In other words, I don't see Jesus as figurative life. I see him as in the manner John spoke about, that eonian life is within us, and that's Christ, the Spirit.

When Apostle John says that we know we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers and that no murderer has eonian life within them, he means they have literally not received the Holy Spirit. They have not received the literal indwelling of Christ.

When Jesus says that he is given all authority to give eonian life to all who were given to him, and this is eonian life, that they may know you, the true God, how do we know God? What did Jesus come to give? What was the promise? The Holy Spirit. The Bible says that Jesus IS life, and that Jesus HAS immortality. It never says that "the immortality is eonian life." Both life and immortality are brought to light through the gospel (2 tim 1:10). And for those seeking after immortality, God gives eonian life (Romans 2:6-7). In other words, if we seek after immortality, glory and honor, God will give the indwelling of the spirit, that we may know him.

[Tom]

I'm not thinking clearly today because I've been fighting a virus for a few days, but I was thinking about something Peter said that kind of relates to our discussion.

"All flesh is grass" (1 Peter 1:24)

I don't think that is a definition anymore than what's been said about "eonian life." 

All literature, including scripture, can say something is something else in a figurative sense without it being a definition. Like I said before, I think "eonian" is simply the adjective describing the kind of "life," but we have different interpretations about what that means.

I'm sorry if I haven't been expressing myself well for the last couple of days. I've been sick.

[Seth]

if Christ says, "I am the resurrection and the life" do you think that's a metaphor such as "all flesh is grass?"

[sheila]

all flesh is grass....wheat,rye barley are grasses...but He says..gather my wheat into the barn..to His angels......and the life[new]

is in the head of the grain of the grass.

[Psalm91:4]

People from our generation might interpret that ...all flesh is as marijuana.

That was "grass" too!   :banana:   :laughing7:

Ok...back to the serious.

[Tom]

Maybe some of that legal medical "grass" would help me right now, but my head's already so crazy today from this bug that it might just put me over the edge. I know some folks here think they will never die because that's what the King James tells them, and they also think that's so partly because Jesus said he was the resurrection. I think that's another case of figurative language because the resurrection for believers is said by Paul in scripture to come in the future when all believers, dead and alive, will be snatched away to meet Christ in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). I think the same thing applies to Christ being eonian life. I'm also thinking right now about Christ losing some of his disciples when they interpreted him literally about eating his flesh (John 6:51-66). I think Christ often spoke figuratively but was and is interpreted literally. So despite Christ being the resurrection and eonian life, I think there are literal interpretations of those things that are separate concepts. That's why I used the word "concept" a ways back in this thread, not intending to offend or to say something isn't scriptural, but just because a figurative interpretation is a different kind of idea than a literal one. Maybe I shouldn't even be on the forum right now in my even crazier than usual mental state due to this virus, but I'm trying my best to communicate intelligently. It seems there is a continuous debate of literal vs. figurative with scripture, and this is just the latest one to pop up on the forum.

[Tom]

I think maybe a good way to tell if something is figurative or not is if it could be interpreted more literally. In other words, "eonian" is describing whatever it's hooked up with as relating to an "eon" or "eons," and I think most folks have a basic understanding of what "life" is. So I think a more literal interpretation would be "life" of the "eon" or "eons," which is what I think "eonian life" refers to, specifically the next eon and the one after, but I understand the figurative interpretation also. So it seems to me like we're debating six or a half dozen. If anybody has a different interpretation than me about anything, that doesn't bother me because I think everybody will have a different perspective than me about everything. Sometimes we see things more or less the same, and other times we may be at the opposite ends of the spectrum. But I don't think we need to get too crazy about that. 

[Psalm91:4]

For me, it's not that I think I will never physically die.  Unless the Lord returns before that happens, I probably will, unless for some reason, the Lord takes me up in a whirlwind or something ( all things are possible ).  Or something like an Enoch experience....one can always hope!    :)   .....which, interestingly, was before the flood etc

What I'm identifying with most of all in scripture is the reality that we have been crucified with Christ nevertheless live.  That death He died had us in it....literally and figuratively. 

Back around '78 or so, I had the great privilege of meeting a brother named Norman Grubb, and hearing what he had to share about this very thing ....being crucified with Christ.
We have no independent self...we are all bearing fruit from either one tree or the other.

When one is in Christ, the very life of God abides in that person, by His Spirit.  That life is indestructable.  Even should our outer man perish ....that life inside, in Christ, cannot.   

[sheila]

 Psalms 12  may the Lord cut off all flATTERING LIPS..AND EVERY BOASTFUL TONGUE THAT SAYS,'WE WILL TRIUMPH WITH OUR TONGUE'

  we own our lips-who is our master?

  because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy,I will now arise,says the Lord. I will protect them from

  those who malign them. And the words of the Lord are flawless

   Proverbs 18;21  the tongue has the power of life and death..and those who love it will eat it's fruit.

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I believe GOD is Spirit, and I was made through the Christ-Spirit of the Godhead - therefore I am a spirit.

For me, Christ is raised in me both now and when the tabernacle of flesh is dropped, and I care not if men's thoughts pin to me the label of the fallen but expect it as a blessing.

My life feels unending now that the spirit, given to me through Christ, is aroused by the Holy Spirit.

I was awakened to the Loving Christ - the Tender Shepherd of mankind - by the Unending Spirit, before hearing the Holy Book or its readers - that is how I know my life is unending as it was awakened by Unending Spirit.

This life is only special because I feel it is unending - that is why I know it is Christ - if it did not feel unending, I would not know it was special.

I have escaped men's doctrines - I have the Spirit to instruct, and humility falls on one as Christ is revealed and further revealed, for He is greater and mightier than man can grasp - and more humble too.

Christ within, Christ without - what more should I desire of Him except the humility, strength and courage to learn how to serve His Holy Desire?

I could not detract one iota of blessing from the gift of life given so generously by the Creator of Life and the Father of Spirits.

For me, the Christ is always enlivened within me by His words and the Truth which is of Him - but men's' words cannot take anything away from this experience and understanding.