Spirit of God/Holy Spirit

[micah7:9]

Personally I don't believe that the Light and the sun have anything to do with what the Creator was doing. Beside when you look at it from what is considered "nature's law," God had grass and fruits growing before the sun.

A 6 day 24 hour creation week, is, I will offer, as, say weak.  :Chinscratch:

[marie glen]

Why would all powerful and all mighty God (Yahweh) need thousands of years to create? [He already displayed His great patience, imo, by waiting so very long, for the 1st bound to occur rebel thought - very long time, because when there was 'only' the Father, the Son and the angels, surely there wasn't thAt much to go astray about! hence.. loong wait]

But, the main thing is, if evolution is true as to origins, why would Yahweh say death entered the world through sin, and, before then, "behold, it was all good". No death.

That's if the thousands of years believed is for evolution.. which takes, so they say millions, er, now that's billions, of years of "death" before the 1st man and woman.

There's actually many ways of dating the earth, which suggest a much younger one than the scientists (man) prefer, and actually only a handful of ones which suggest the millions/billions/trillions/infinity of years needed for 'evolution' to be the origin of life..

Other than that, imo, the millions/trillions are not needed.

When Yahweh "makes a new heavens and a new earth" will it take thousands of years? :Peace2:

When the millions of sleeping in death believers are resurrected, will it take God a thousand years? or the blink/twinkling of the eye?

And when the trillions of nonbelieving dead are resurrected, will that take another thousands of years?

Note: I think folks confuse 'evolution' and natural selection, which can also be called macro evolution, which does occur. Changes, adaptations do occur [atheistic theology assumes "intelligent design" denies change :rolllol: ]

When bacteria 'evolves' immunity to antibiotic, it's not that it grew new traits. It's that the non-immune bacteria dies, and the immune bacteria multiplies. This is separation of traits "already present" not the developing of new.

jes sayin' :smile: :hiya:

Also, compromising with atheistic 'science' as to origins (which once we actually study it, in many opinions, is no "science" at all!!!) Compromising with man's adult fairy tale will not accomplish any good will. And is compromising God's Word, I don't think people can get their teeth into a diluted word, thus folks are falling away from the faith in droves.. education has undermined truth.

[marie glen]

1 Corinthians 2:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Why would Yahweh need more than 6 evenings and mornings? :smile: And if He spent longer, why make it sound like it only took 6 evenings and mornings? Saying at the end of the description of each day "an evening and a morning, a day"

Genesis 1:5

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

5 and God calleth to the light `Day,' and to the darkness He hath called `Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.

[micah7:9]

YOM

Alright, let's cover some more things about day. Day is used to represent many things other than, even the daylight part of a 24-hour solar cycle. Day is used to represent the word 'time' 67 times in the Old Testament. It just means time.

Genesis 4:3: And in the process of time (yom) it came to pass. Cane brought forth...

In the process of yom, days. It's the word day.  Day and days 2,291 times always comes from the word yom, it's pronounced like home, not yum. So in the process of time. If you say in the process of days it came to pass, well you would understand it. But time fits better. 

In Deuteronomy 10:10 it speaks about the time.

Deu 10:10  And I stayed in the mount, according to the first time (yom), forty days and forty nights;

Where it talks about forever or for the eon many times, Isaiah 30.

Isa 30:8  Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time (yom) to come forever and ever:

It's yom, day. Day can be used many ways.

1Kings 1:1  Now king David was old and stricken in years (yom)...

David was old and stricken in years. The word is yom. He was stricken in yom.

Gen 41:1  And it came to pass at the end of two full years (yom)...

Gen 47:28  And Jacob lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years: so the whole age (yom) of Jacob was a hundred forty and seven years.

The whole age of Jacob. It's yom. The yom of Jacob.

It's used to mean the word ago or always or season.

Joshua 24:7  ...and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season (yom).

They dwelt in the wilderness a long season, a long yom.

This word is used all kinds of ways that never ever insinuates 24-hours.

In Chronicles it's translated to the word 'chronicles' 37 times in the Old Testament. It's translated 'continually' or 'continuance' and 'ever' or 'evermore,' that's King James talk.

So yom is not for a 24-hour period. It stands for time in general, days, weeks, months, years, eons, ages.

Another interesting verse is Genesis 1.

Gen 1:14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day (yom) from the night;

How about that.  Is a day and a night, a day? No, God divided them. They're two different things. He divided the day from the night, how can they be the same thing? So when He says, "and the evening and the morning were day one," that could be millions or billions of years. There is no time limit set on that whatsoever. None.

[micah7:9]

The impact crater in Wetumpka, Alabama It was only about 10 years ago that Alabama University or one of those in the geology department got funds and so on.  They did core drillings down from the parapet wall and they established once and for all, yes indeed this was an impact crater.   They dated it 83 million years ago, that impact crater hit. 

The ocean (at that time) was right there at Wetumpka.  They are not sure if it hit on shore or out in the water slightly off shore, but right there is the dividing line.  If you look at a topographical of Alabama or the United States you will see, it will be in yellow sweeping up there towards Wetumpka and Montgomery and they call that the Coastal plateau.  That was all under water.  Actually when you go back  a little further than that, a couple of hundred million years ago and the ocean went all the way through the center of the United States and up to Canada, it was a giant waterway.  It was maybe 800 miles wide, right through the middle of the United States.  That was all ocean at one time. 

Then we have these large ones (craters).  Now the reason they believe that Chicxulub in the Yucatan... you know where the Yucatan Peninsula is, there between South America and the United States.  The reason they think that may be responsible for the demise of the dinosaurs is that they know from other ways of dating that the dinosaurs died out about 65 million years ago.  The Chicxulub impact crater dates to 65 millions years ago.  So we not only have the extinction of the dinosaurs, we've got the smoking gun.  So could an impact like that have destroyed all these huge beasts?  Absolutely. 

[dajomaco]

Time is an expression of God that man can measure.
God can not be measured .
God can use time in a way that man can not measure.

We will have to guess as to what time it is.

[eaglesway]

1 Corinthians 2:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Why would Yahweh need more than 6 evenings and mornings? :smile: And if He spent longer, why make it sound like it only took 6 evenings and mornings? Saying at the end of the description of each day "an evening and a morning, a day"

Genesis 1:5

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

5 and God calleth to the light `Day,' and to the darkness He hath called `Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.

Do not let this one fact escape your notice beloved, with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like one day". 1 Pet 4:8

We are always quantifying the unquantifiable :o)

[micah7:9]

Time is an expression of God that man can measure.
God can not be measured .
God can use time in a way that man can not measure.

We will have to guess as to what time it is.

Amen my friend! Amen. :dsunny:
I do not understand why people/believers find it so anti- Bible should The Creator have done what He did outside of man's comprehension of what a day/yom/age/years is?
It seems like such a small and closed mind. When science comes to the point where they can not explain things in the rational mind, they kick around the idea of a Higher Intelligence. And that is good.
In all my reading and study, science has proven the Lord God I believe in, more than all the religious denominations and their theologies combined. I believe in what is called the Bible, I believe in Jesus Christ the Savoir of the whole World and the more science is stumpted and has to fall back on that thought, I rejoice! :HeartThrob: :banana: :dsunny:

[mplsfitter539]

 :iagree:

[micah7:9]

I see this topic of creation that snuck in here is a sticky one. As for me, should it continue and don't really care one way or another, but when I once believed in the fundamentalist view of a 6-24 hr day creation, and I really read the Genesis account, there were just too much many questions that raised doubt. Questions around time and order. And the Lord God is all about time and order. :2c:

[mplsfitter539]

I see this topic of creation that snuck in here is a sticky one. As for me, should it continue and don't really care one way or another, but when I once believed in the fundamentalist view of a 6-24 hr day creation, and I really read the Genesis account, there were just too much many questions that raised doubt. Questions around time and order. And the Lord God is all about time and order. :2c:

Some people are locked into the literal translations and can't see outside of the religious box. The theory of literal translations over allegorical or better yet spiritual translations is best left to the  Holy Spirit to divide. :banana:

[dajomaco]

I hope this is not taken as a continuing of the thread about the "trinity" that I feel has run it's course.
This endeavor is to find, in the Bible, where the Spirit of God/Holy Spirit stands in the whole of what began(as far as where the Book begins) in what the Lord's plan and purpose is/was/will be, and where and how the Spirit/Holy Spirit has a place.


I think one of the places that the holy spirit is always is in the truth.

When I have recently discussed the creation week or the beginning.
I told Ron(a science guy ) you know me I am not insane or nuts LOL .
So when I tell you, how I think everything got started, I want you
to believe, that what I am telling you. Is what I actually believe in my heart.

I asked him to tell me what he believed not what this guy or that guy's opinion are
but what he actually believed .
I told him that we would not dissect what I believed or what he believed
until next time we meet.

I told him that God a supreme intelligence, spoke and the world came into existence.
I believe science is close to Identifying his voice in there study of atomic partials.

Ron when expressing and trying describe the beginning said that we come from nothing.

Later when we talked more about it, his stance was that no one could know.
He started mocking (softly) the idea that there was a God.

I had nothing to say about his believes.

I think IMO that if I tell some one what I believe and not defend it.
That they will have more opportunity search what they actually believe.
They will have nothing to defend.

I tease Ron when I see him " hey what are you doing"
he replies "nothing" I say "that's a good boy serving your God"

Not having to prove you are right is a blessing that the Lord has given me
that I did not ask for .He has opened my eyes to the raw power of the
Spirit of truth.