Matthew 26:25

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WhiteWings

Below a list with Matthew 26:25 from various translations.
There seems quite some diffrence between them.
So translated as "it is not me" and others "it is me"
Some even answer the question with another question.

Personally I think Judas didn't betray Judas at all because satan took control over Judas. Perhaps that's why the translations are so mixed? It was the body of Judas but the mind of satan.

CLV Luke 22:3 Yet Satan entered into Judas, called Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

As a sidenote (stating the obvious): It was all according to plan. Jesus knew satan would take control. But He didn't prevent it as He did with Peter.
Luke 22:31-32   "Simon, Simon, pay attention! Satan has demanded to have you all, to sift you like wheat,  32 but I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. When you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."

Also note the word "demanded". Satan asked permission. He didn't just try/do it.

Thoughts/feedback....




CB Now in response, Judas said, "It isn't I, is it Rabbi? He said to him, "It is as you have said."

(AMP) Judas, the betrayer, said, [4] Surely it is not I, is it, Master? He said to him, You have stated [the fact].

(AUV-NT)  Then Judas,  the one who betrayed Him asked,  "Am I the one,  Rabbi?" Jesus answered Him,  "You have said so."

(Complete Apostles' Bible)  Then Judas, the one betraying Him, answered and said, "Surely not I am the one, Rabbi?" He said to him, "You have said it."

(ASV)  And Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, Is it I, Rabbi? He saith unto him, Thou hast said.

(BBE)  And Judas, who was false to him, made answer and said, Is it I, Master? He says to him, Yes.

(VW)  Then Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, Rabbi, it is not I is it? He said to him, You have said it.

(Bishops)  Then Iudas, which betrayed [hym] aunswered and sayde: Maister, is it I? He sayde vnto hym, thou hast sayde.

(CEV)  Judas said, "Teacher, you surely don't mean me!" "That's what you say!" Jesus replied. But later, Judas did betray him.

(CLV)  Now, answering, Judas, who is giving Him up, said, "It is not I, Rabbi!" Jesus is saying to him, "You say it."

(EngSinaiticus)  And Judas who delivered him up answered and said: Rabbi, is it I? He says to him: Thou hast said.

(Mace)  then Judas, he who was to betray him, said, master, is it I? Jesus replied, yes.

(Darby)  And Judas, who delivered him up, answering said, Is it *I*, Rabbi? He says to him, *Thou* hast said.

(Diaglott-NT)  Answering and Judas, he delivering up him, said: Not I am, rabbi? He says to him: Thou hast said.

(DRB)  And Judas that betrayed him answering, said: Is it I, Rabbi? He saith to him: Thou hast said it.

(EMTV)  Then Judas, the one betraying Him, answered and said, "Surely not I am the one, Rabbi?" He said to him, "You have said it."

(ESV)  Judas, who would betray him, answered, "Is it I, Rabbi?" He said to him, "You have said so."

(Etheridge)  Then Jihuda the traitor answered and said, Am not I (he), Rabi? Jeshu replieth to him, Thou hast said!

(Geneva)  Then Iudas which betraied him, answered and sayde, Is it I, Master? He sayde vnto him, Thou hast sayd it.

(GNB)  Judas, the traitor, spoke up. "Surely, Teacher, you don't mean me?" he asked. Jesus answered, "So you say."

(GDBY_NT)  But Judas, the one betraying Him, responding said, Master, whether am I the one? He says to him, Thou hast said it.

(GSNT)  Judas, who betrayed him, said, "Can it be I, Master?" He said to him, "You are right!"

(GW)  Then Judas, who betrayed him, asked, "You don't mean me, do you, Rabbi?" "Yes, I do," Jesus replied.

(ISV)  Then Judas, who was going to betray him, said, "Rabbi, I'm not the one, am I?" Jesus said to him, "You have said so."

(Moffatt NT)  Then Judas his betrayer said, "Surely it is not me, rabbi?" He said to him, "Is it not?"

(WORNT)  And Judas, who betrayed Him, answered and said, Master, is it I? and He said unto him, It is.

(KJV)  Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

(KJV-1611)  Then Iudas, which betrayed him, answered, and said, Master, Is it I? He said vnto him, Thou hast said.

(KJVA)  Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

(Lamsa NT)  Then Judas the traitor answered and said, Master, perhaps it is I? Jesus said to him, You say that.

(LITV)  And answering, the one betraying Him, Judas, said, Not at all I is it, Rabbi? He said to him, You have said it.

(MKJV)  And answering, the one betraying Him, Judas, said, Master, Not am I the one? He said to him, You said it.

(Murdock)  Judas the betrayer answered and said: Rabbi, is it I? Jesus said to him: Thou hast said.

(NET.)  Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?" Jesus replied, "You have said it yourself."

(NET)  Then34 Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?" Jesus35 replied, "You have said it yourself."

(Noyes NT)  Then Judas, his betrayer, answering said, Is it I, Rabbi? He saith to him, It is.

(PNT1745)  Then Judas, who betrayed him, answered, and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

(RKJV-NT)  Then Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, Teacher, is it I? He said to him, You have said it.

(Rotherham) And Judas, who was delivering him up, answering, said—Can it be, I, Rabbi? He saith unto him—Thou, hast said.

(RV)  And Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Is it I, Rabbi? He saith unto him, Thou hast said.

(RNT)  Then Judas the traitor asked, "It is not I, Rabbi?" Jesus replied, "It is you."

(Webster)  Then Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said to him, Thou hast said.

(WmsNT)  Then Judas, who afterward betrayed Him, answered by asking, "It cannot be I, can it, Rabbi?" Jesus answered him, "Yes, you are the man."

(WNT)  Then Judas, the disciple who was betraying Him, asked, "Can it be I, Rabbi?" "It is you," He replied.

(WAS)  And Judas, who betrayed Him, answering, said, "Is it I, Rabbi?" He says to him, "You said it."

(YLT)  And Judas--he who delivered him up--answering said, `Is it I, Rabbi?' He saith to him, `Thou hast said.'


1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Gab

I suppose one could say that there is a bit of difference between "Is it I?" and "It isn't I, is it?" in that the first one seems to be a genuine question whereas the latter is more disbelief or protest against the idea that it is he.

If you're curious, the original Greek reads as follows:

apokritheis de ioudas o paradidous auton eipen meti ego eimi rabbi legei auto su eipas

answering yet Judas the one-giving-up him said not? I am Rabbi he-is-saying to-him you say-it

Literally translated into readable English, this is as follows:

"Answering then Judas, the one giving him up, said, 'Not I am, Rabbi?'  He says to him, 'You say it.'"

So the answer is that Judas is indeed intending to protest the notion that he is the one; it is not a genuine question whose answer is truly desired.

I'll leave the actual interpretation of the facts in this thread to one much more competent than I.