Luke 2:49

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thinktank

Quote from: WhiteWings on April 29, 2011, 07:45:58 AM
Quote from: thinktank on April 29, 2011, 04:10:59 AM
But Jesus was much older than 12 when he preached the acceptable day of the lord. John the baptist prepared the way for the mighty one of Israel to begin his ministry.
That's correct TT. Jesus was 30 year and 22 days;  John was 6 months older.

QuoteAlso notice that Jesus gave it again, the book to the minister and SAT DOWN, now that tells us something, that Jesus was willing to sit and listen.
He was quoting a verse.
Read the verse as a whole.
Then read only the part before He sat down.
Do you see a difference in the meaning of the verse?

Jesus didn't sit down as a way to repect His teachers. His pauze was a big statement.
It was certainly not showing respect because everybody was supposed to read a whole verse.

I wasn't on about the pause as such. I meant that Jesus actually attended the congregation and he only read one verse and then sat down, he gave the book back to the teacher. So if Jesus was against these teachers,

1. Why is he attending
2. Why is he sitting down and listening to the rest of the sermon
3. He gives the book to the teacher


Compare this, to the moment when Jesus, went angry at the money changers or accused some of the scribes, pharisses as being vile serpents.


WhiteWings

QuoteI wasn't on about the pause as such. I meant that Jesus actually attended the congregation and he only read one verse
I was a custom that on that festival day many people read a few verses aloud.

Quoteand then sat down, he gave the book back to the teacher. So if Jesus was against these teachers,

1. Why is he attending
Can you even imagine Jesus never being in a Synagoge?
Quote2. Why is he sitting down and listening to the rest of the sermon
I think there was no sermon on that day.
Quote3. He gives the book to the teacher
What else should He do? Steal the scroll? BTW the scoll wasn't handed by the teacher but a Temple attendant. The teacher was the one with the withered hand He healed. His first act of rebelion. Curing a High Priest on a Sabbath day. The priests saw curing as work. Jesus didn't.
QuoteCompare this, to the moment when Jesus, went angry at the money changers or accused some of the scribes, pharisses as being vile serpents.
The money changers were doing illegal things. He accused Scribes because He disagreed with things they did/thaught.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

thinktank

Quote from: WhiteWings on April 29, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
QuoteI wasn't on about the pause as such. I meant that Jesus actually attended the congregation and he only read one verse
I was a custom that on that festival day many people read a few verses aloud.


So Jesus is not totally against customs

Quoteand then sat down, he gave the book back to the teacher. So if Jesus was against these teachers,

1. Why is he attending
Can you even imagine Jesus never being in a Synagoge?

He got kicked out of one when the blind man.
Quote2. Why is he sitting down and listening to the rest of the sermon
I think there was no sermon on that day.
Quote3. He gives the book to the teacher
What else should He do? Steal the scroll? BTW the scoll wasn't handed by the teacher but a Temple attendant. The teacher was the one with the withered hand He healed. His first act of rebelion. Curing a High Priest on a Sabbath day. The priests saw curing as work. Jesus didn't.

But the man with the withered hand allowed Jesus to work. He could have opted not to participate with Jesus when being healed.
QuoteCompare this, to the moment when Jesus, went angry at the money changers or accused some of the scribes, pharisses as being vile serpents.
The money changers were doing illegal things. He accused Scribes because He disagreed with things they did/thaught.

TT
But he didn't sit and listen to these vipers. He asked them questions, whenever these accusers would arise to challenge him.

Taffy

Quote from: WWCan you even imagine Jesus never being in a Synagoge?

SORRY Tony-- but i havent laughed so much for ages--- :goodone: :Urock:

micah7:9

Quote from: thinktank on April 29, 2011, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on April 29, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
Jesus was quoting:

YLTIsa 61
1 The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is on me, Because Jehovah did anoint me To proclaim tidings to the humble, He sent me to bind the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives liberty, And to bound ones an opening of bands.
2 To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Jehovah, And the day of vengeance of our God, To comfort all mourners.

But He did not quote the blue part. That's why everybody looked at Him. They expected Him to finish the verse by speaking the blue words.
Instead of the blue words He said "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"

I read 2 things in that.
a] With the pauze He no longer is just reading the verse but claiming He was sent and He was the one from the verse.
b] The blue bit is no longer valid.

(Personally I think this was the exact moment His ministry began. Not at baptism or return from the 40 days in the wilderness)


Or perhaps , Jesus did not finish the verse, because the day of vengenace was not yet at hand.
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