Can you LIVE off the Written word being the BLACK AND WHITE ?# does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
This is an excerpt from an interesting article that doesn't separate it out as "either/or", but that it works together..the author states the life is given to the written by God/Spirit...that the divisions of written vs. spoken etc., is a recent phenomenon, and not what the scriptures actually say about themselves. I think he makes some interesting points if closely considered.
"3. That these visions and oral words were recorded in writing and that this was commanded to be done constitutes a third manner in which God speaks to man. The constant recurrence of "Thus saith the Lord," "The word of the Lord came . . ." (Hos. 1:1; Zeph. 1:1; Mal. 1:1; Jer. 47:1; Ezek. 14:2), "The mouth of the Lord hath spoken" (Is. 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 58:14. Cf. also Matt. 4:4; 1 Cor. 14:27; 2 Tim 3:16), "Hear the Word of the Lord" - these phrases, now in written form, indicate that God commonly spoke to His people through the writings of His prophets and apostles.
5. The final Word of God to man, His communication , is , through a Son (Heb.1:1). He is the personal Word who is with God and is God and who alone reveals God to us (John 1:18). God therefore directs us to hear Him (Matt.17:5). And we hear Him when we hear His apostles, whose word is His Word (John 17:14). He has sent them into the world to continue His prophetic office (John 20:21). Their word is the continuation of His Word (John 17:8, 18; 1 Cor. 1:10), their witnessing is the witnessing of the Spirit Himself. (John 15:26, 27; 16:13; 14:26)
Now when we consider these various ways in which God speaks to us, we find that there is a marvelous unity in the Word of God. There is no difference between God's direct speaking, His speaking through the mouth of a prophet or apostle and the formulation of this speech in writing. Scripture quite simply calls the words of God's servants and penmen the words of God. Furthermore, no distinction is made between their preached and written Word. It is all the same utterance of God to men. Whether they preach or write, they preface their message by "Thus saith the Lord," "Hear the Word of the Lord." Procksch comments concerning this fact: "This shows then that the entire book of the prophet was to be acknowledged and in the Scripture thought pattern therefore no distinction is made between the voice of God in the prophet and its formulation in poetry, language, and word."
This stress on the unity of the Word is necessary because of late a curious and subtle distinction has been made between the written Word of Scripture and the kerygmatic preaching of the church. According to this distinction (which is advanced by Barth and some other scholars) there is somehow more power in the preached Word, while Scripture, the written Word, remains in itself a dead letter. But Scripture knows no such distinction. The same Word which Jeremiah receives from God he dictates to his amanuensis, Baruch. These same words Baruch writes on a roll and later reads as the "words of the Lord . . . in the ears of the people" (Jer. 36). That which the apostle John saw and heard he wrote (1 John 1:3, 4 - 5 governs all the verbs in the passage). Paul says he makes known () the same gospel which he has formerly preached () (1 Cor. 15:1). And he asks that his message be accepted whether it be written or proclaimed by word of mouth (2 Thess.2:15).
. The written and spoken Word draws its energy and authority from its author, who is God. Although men wrote the Scriptures, these writings are nevertheless God's Word, God's utterances (Rom. 2:2), the product of His breath (Matt. 4:4; 2 Tim. 3:16). Although men preach the Gospel, it is nevertheless God's Gospel (Rom. 1:1; 15:16; 2 Cor. 7:11; 1 Thess. 2:2, 9). God's Word and Gospel are never empty and sterile, but active and creative. Paul makes this point eminently clear when he tells the Thessalonians (1 Thess. 2:13): "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because when ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God [], which effectually worketh also in you that believe" []. http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar101.htm
Blessings.
I think the word must pierce the heart as a sword. But many of the Jews who resisted Jesus, were told that their hearts were hardened, or that they were blind deaf etc even though some of them knew the scriptures very well indeed.
I think once the word pierces the soul begins to work its magic, it might convict e.g the Jews who desired stoning of the woman caught in adultery, or it might cause a person to cry out for help, such as the blind man. But Jesus gave a parable concerning this part of the process. He said
Luke 8
4And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:
5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
16No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
17For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
18Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Quote from: jabcat on October 26, 2011, 03:04:05 AM
This is an excerpt from an interesting article that doesn't separate it out as "either/or", but that it works together..the author states the life is given to the written by God/Spirit...that the divisions of written vs. spoken etc., is a recent phenomenon, and not what the scriptures actually say about themselves. I think he makes some interesting points if closely considered.
"3. That these visions and oral words were recorded in writing and that this was commanded to be done constitutes a third manner in which God speaks to man. The constant recurrence of "Thus saith the Lord," "The word of the Lord came . . ." (Hos. 1:1; Zeph. 1:1; Mal. 1:1; Jer. 47:1; Ezek. 14:2), "The mouth of the Lord hath spoken" (Is. 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 58:14. Cf. also Matt. 4:4; 1 Cor. 14:27; 2 Tim 3:16), "Hear the Word of the Lord" - these phrases, now in written form, indicate that God commonly spoke to His people through the writings of His prophets and apostles.
5. The final Word of God to man, His communication , is , through a Son (Heb.1:1). He is the personal Word who is with God and is God and who alone reveals God to us (John 1:18). God therefore directs us to hear Him (Matt.17:5). And we hear Him when we hear His apostles, whose word is His Word (John 17:14). He has sent them into the world to continue His prophetic office (John 20:21). Their word is the continuation of His Word (John 17:8, 18; 1 Cor. 1:10), their witnessing is the witnessing of the Spirit Himself. (John 15:26, 27; 16:13; 14:26)
Now when we consider these various ways in which God speaks to us, we find that there is a marvelous unity in the Word of God. There is no difference between God's direct speaking, His speaking through the mouth of a prophet or apostle and the formulation of this speech in writing. Scripture quite simply calls the words of God's servants and penmen the words of God. Furthermore, no distinction is made between their preached and written Word. It is all the same utterance of God to men. Whether they preach or write, they preface their message by "Thus saith the Lord," "Hear the Word of the Lord." Procksch comments concerning this fact: "This shows then that the entire book of the prophet was to be acknowledged and in the Scripture thought pattern therefore no distinction is made between the voice of God in the prophet and its formulation in poetry, language, and word."
This stress on the unity of the Word is necessary because of late a curious and subtle distinction has been made between the written Word of Scripture and the kerygmatic preaching of the church. According to this distinction (which is advanced by Barth and some other scholars) there is somehow more power in the preached Word, while Scripture, the written Word, remains in itself a dead letter. But Scripture knows no such distinction. The same Word which Jeremiah receives from God he dictates to his amanuensis, Baruch. These same words Baruch writes on a roll and later reads as the "words of the Lord . . . in the ears of the people" (Jer. 36). That which the apostle John saw and heard he wrote (1 John 1:3, 4 - 5 governs all the verbs in the passage). Paul says he makes known () the same gospel which he has formerly preached () (1 Cor. 15:1). And he asks that his message be accepted whether it be written or proclaimed by word of mouth (2 Thess.2:15).
. The written and spoken Word draws its energy and authority from its author, who is God. Although men wrote the Scriptures, these writings are nevertheless God's Word, God's utterances (Rom. 2:2), the product of His breath (Matt. 4:4; 2 Tim. 3:16). Although men preach the Gospel, it is nevertheless God's Gospel (Rom. 1:1; 15:16; 2 Cor. 7:11; 1 Thess. 2:2, 9). God's Word and Gospel are never empty and sterile, but active and creative. Paul makes this point eminently clear when he tells the Thessalonians (1 Thess. 2:13): "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because when ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God [], which effectually worketh also in you that believe" []. http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar101.htm
Blessings.
got your own words James~
The Words in the Book do indeed speak the LIFE of HIM# tis No Doubt# but we do not LIVE off this written# tis all~// they are NOT life# they SPEAK OF THE life who is~
Quote from: thinktank on October 26, 2011, 03:05:33 AM
I think the word must pierce the heart as a sword. But many of the Jews who resisted Jesus, were told that their hearts were hardened, or that they were blind deaf etc even though some of them knew the scriptures very well indeed.
I think once the word pierces the soul begins to work its magic, it might convict e.g the Jews who desired stoning of the woman caught in adultery, or it might cause a person to cry out for help, such as the blind man. But Jesus gave a parable concerning this part of the process. He said
Luke 8
4And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:
5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
16No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
17For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
18Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
The WORD is NOT the written which Cuts asunder# its HIS SPIRIT, SPERATING THE SOUL IN death to the SOULbeing life# its a TWO EDGED SWORD[ SPIRIT]SLAYING the SOUL[ carnal mind] withone edge# bringing FORTH LIFE with the other~do we not see the Spirit in His written word or continue to just read the Balck and White~
It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.
In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.
So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.
In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.
Book of acts I think!
Quote from: thinktank on October 26, 2011, 03:24:11 AM
It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.
In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.
So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.
In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.
Book of acts I think!
that's sort of what the article was pointing out. :thumbsup:
Quote from: jabcat on October 26, 2011, 03:30:11 AM
Quote from: thinktank on October 26, 2011, 03:24:11 AM
It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.
In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.
So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.
In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.
Book of acts I think!
that's sort of what the article was pointing out. :thumbsup:
Oh yeah :bigGrin: Interesting article glad I read it more thoroughly know.
Quote from: thinktank on October 26, 2011, 03:24:11 AM
It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.
In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.
So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.
In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.
Book of acts I think!
The art is to divideTT[ that can onlycome from above] HE is the spirit of TRUTH IN US~HE is the GLORY OF GOD IN US#~HE continues to Unfold himself and the TRUTH , BOTH IN THE writtenand the REALITY# lest we Divide##we will continue as manY to speak death not LIFE
Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.
One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.
Quote from: JabThe written and spoken Word draws its energy and authority from its author, who is God.
:thumbsup: THIS
I've read every sort of book, classical, contemporary, religious, secular, complicated, easy---I have never read another book like our Bible.
As living word, it speaks to everyone where they are today in their walk. It helps them to stretch and grow. As they progress, it unfolds more of its mysteries. It's like a miracle book which is alive!
Sometimes I think it is being written before my eyes, as I stumble on a phrase I never saw before and think, where did that come from? Suddenly, something new and wonderful is open to me by the grace of God--something I never saw before even though I undoubtedly read it 100 times.
These are God's words. Even if the soil is rocky and poor, they will never come back void.
he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. [Mat 4:4]
HIS TRUTH can not be denied~ we may Kick our heals In, but for sure youll get BLOWN AWAY by the spirit WHO IS#,when of Course ,HE gives us TO SEE#,REvelation is NOTof our selves ,Its HIS# Paul knew this, as when he mentioned, the Twinkling of an Eye, being KNOWN as we are, he often spoke to those who were YET to understand the THINGS HE REALLY KNEW##
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 26, 2011, 03:47:04 AM
Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.
One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.
alas I wouldnt Know as the WHOLE WORLD is Not American lol#Im Welsh, Wanna Talk Rugby Mines and Valleys~lol
But ya Nailed it# the ROCK## come again and explain the Saved by childbirth~~ what was It~or maybe Brother RAY hasnt wrote a Paper on it~ I just wonder why? ~ In the Big Picture it matters Not# as all was Finished before it began## selah~
So ........Selah Taffy. Hummmm. You do have your methods aye? Gee, and your not American, like that makes one wit of difference. Rugby? Great game love it, beats [American football all to pieces] oh yeah it was childbirth.......
New Zealand :first:
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word being the BLACK AND WHITE ?# does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
I once worked with an older gentleman, a well-read man who enjoyed reading the Bible.
The Book of Job he considered a masterpiece of literary history.
He could quote Scripture better than many churchgoers.
He died agnostic.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 04:28:44 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 26, 2011, 03:47:04 AM
Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.
One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.
alas I wouldnt Know as the WHOLE WORLD is Not American lol#Im Welsh, Wanna Talk Rugby Mines and Valleys~lol
But ya Nailed it# the ROCK## come again and explain the Saved by childbirth~~ what was It~or maybe Brother RAY hasnt wrote a Paper on it~ I just wonder why? ~ In the Big Picture it matters Not# as all was Finished before it began## selah~
O yeah I forgot OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! for the one for Ray. UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM you da man. :sigh:
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Quote from: thinktank on October 26, 2011, 05:32:33 AM
New Zealand :first:
Hello Kiwi!
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I found the sports forum! Great :grin:
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
f you can LIVE off the wrritten word? How long for? I know multitutes who read the Written word , or have read it, and dont believe it~we LIVE BY EVERY BREATH OF HIS WORD[ BREATH]for HIS WORD[ iIS spirit= Life in us~]
open the book WW the white is the paper, the Ink is mainly Black~ :thumbsup:
It CAN give life eternal.
HOW CAN I put this in Welsh ~ Utter complete Garbage WW~ :thumbdown:
Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his
word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Jhn 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye
think ye have eternal life: and they are
they which testify of me. Jhn 5:40 And ye
will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 26, 2011, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 04:28:44 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 26, 2011, 03:47:04 AM
Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.
One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.
alas I wouldnt Know as the WHOLE WORLD is Not American lol#Im Welsh, Wanna Talk Rugby Mines and Valleys~lol
But ya Nailed it# the ROCK## come again and explain the Saved by childbirth~~ what was It~or maybe Brother RAY hasnt wrote a Paper on it~ I just wonder why? ~ In the Big Picture it matters Not# as all was Finished before it began## selah~
O yeah I forgot OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! for the one for Ray. UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM you da man. :sigh:
YA know Micah # you have much to Criticise# But forever failing to answer##
let me ask you again~~Saved by Childbirth~~ and as Ray is Known to say~~ "I will now HOLD MY BREATH"#be well friend~
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
f you can LIVE off the wrritten word? How long for? I know multitutes who read the Written word , or have read it, and dont believe it~we LIVE BY EVERY BREATH OF HIS WORD[ BREATH]for HIS WORD[ iIS spirit= Life in us~]
You asked if it is possible not how many actually managed to do it.
Quoteopen the book WW the white is the paper, the Ink is mainly Black~ :thumbsup:
I assumed you weren't speaking about the color of the Book itself but the meaning of the verses.
QuoteIt CAN give life eternal.
HOW CAN I put this in Welsh ~ Utter complete Garbage WW~ :thumbdown:
No just your selective reading.
Reread my answers and see they are all have huge Biblical support.
Nothing hidden. Not hard to see. I would say it's the very heart of the Bible.
QuoteJhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
you can read Right WW~ How simple is This~
It's simple. You haven't understood a single word I wrote.
Seems to become a trend lately :winkgrin:
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
this is simple enough to understand # irrespective how you attempt to paint it~
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
this is simple enough to understand # irrespective how you attempt to paint it~
Weird answer but I'll show your replies are utter garbage :thumbdown:
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes. Jesus did.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
If it really was about the color of the ink it's black and white. Otherwise a lot of interpretation.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Jesus, didn't fail.
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
this is simple enough to understand # irrespective how you attempt to paint it~
Weird answer but I'll show your replies are utter garbage :thumbdown:
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes. Jesus did.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
If it really was about the color of the ink it's black and white. Otherwise a lot of interpretation.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Jesus, didn't fail.
you obviously the writen even without types shadows and Pattern~Weird answer but I'll show your replies are utter garbage
my bad typos WW# you obviously CANT read the the WRITTEN, even without types shadows and patterns~
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes. Jesus did.The written bore Testimony[wITNESS] to HIM# HE IS LIFE, ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND DOESNT NEED TO LIVE from the Black and white~~
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#.
It isn't in black and white.
If it really was about the color of the ink it's black and white. Otherwise a lot of interpretationMM what ever color ink you chose~ its still ink on PAPER
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Jesus, didn't fail.Jesus Dint fail as HE is SPIRIT, the WORD made flesh# who became Flesh For us~The fulfilment of the Letter~do believest This~
Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life
those scribes were very familier with the Letter too~ gained them Zilcho~ I stress again there is ,there will never wBE and never WWAS LIFE in the BLack and WHITE~ its a BOOK~Testifying to the LIFE WHO IS~ PERIOD # FULL STOP# END OF THE BALL GAME#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OT: He's coming, he's coming, he's coming!
NT: He's here!
Jews: No he's not.
The question really is--How did the Jews miss him?
And, Jesus, even though he knows they have been blinded on purpose, is still angry with them. Why?
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OT: He's coming, he's coming, he's coming!
NT: He's here!
Jews: No he's not.
The question really is--How did the Jews miss him?
And, Jesus, even though he knows they have been blinded on purpose, is still angry with them. Why?
THERE MIND blinded by the god of this world, the serpent zone,grasping only the Literal come the letter~ we are all part of HIS restoration, each in their order## the Jews were Shown after the Natural [ earthy man] as was Cain# # its for the Bigger purpose Molly~ as HE SAYS## HE will have Mercy on ALL~
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Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
this is simple enough to understand # irrespective how you attempt to paint it~
Weird answer but I'll show your replies are utter garbage :thumbdown:
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes. Jesus did.
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
If it really was about the color of the ink it's black and white. Otherwise a lot of interpretation.
Quote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Jesus, didn't fail.
you obviously the writen even without types shadows and Pattern~Weird answer but I'll show your replies are utter garbage
Suprise me.
QuoteCan you LIVE off the Written word
Yes. Jesus did.[/b]The written bore Testimony[wITNESS] to HIM# HE IS LIFE, ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND DOESNT NEED TO LIVE from the Black and white~~
Quote
being the BLACK AND WHITE ?#.
It isn't in black and white.
If it really was about the color of the ink it's black and white. Otherwise a lot of interpretationMM what ever color ink you chose~ its still ink on PAPER
A book, a magazine, a newspaper, a Bible... it's not about the ink and the paper. It's about the message. The Word of God.
QuoteQuote
does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
Jesus, didn't fail.
Jesus Dint fail as HE is SPIRIT, the WORD made flesh# who became Flesh For us~The fulfilment of the Letter~do believest This~
So you agree He didn't fail. So you agree He lived lived by the letter/laws?
Quotethose scribes were very familier with the Letter too~ gained them Zilcho~
The scribes didn't gain anything.
QuoteI stress again there is ,there will never wBE and never WWAS LIFE in the BLack and WHITE~ its a BOOK~Testifying to the LIFE WHO IS~
And that Life as a man didn't sin/break any of the laws. If He would have sinner there wouldn't have been resurrection. That sounds like life from a Book....
QuotePERIOD # FULL STOP# END OF THE BALL GAME# and foolish garbage from the mouths of men~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you don't like garbage of men why you keep typing?
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
It's not about literal or spiritual. It's about a veil covering the mind and heart. It's not up to the Book or up to us. It's up to Christ. This Book is not written for everyone. But, it's most surely written for everyone on this board, or they wouldn't be here.
2 Corinthians 3:15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
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But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
It's not about literal or spiritual. It's about a veil covering the mind and heart. It's not up to the Book or up to us. It's up to Christ. This Book is not written for everyone. But, it's most surely written for everyone on this board, or they wouldn't be here.
2 Corinthians 3:15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
:thumbsup: Everyone has something to add, and not one part is more important than the other. Blessings.
A book, a magazine, a newspaper, a Bible... it's not about the ink and the paper. It's about the message. The Word of God. A message about the LIFE WHO IS AND IN WHOM WE HAVE LIFE IN~ does a Magzine or book of anykind have life##you know..the very air that fills your LUNGS# well of course not# and neither does the bible~
QuoteSo you agree He didn't fail. So you agree He lived lived by the letter/laws?
mm he did fail it would be a waste of time discussing the life WHO IS# Hes the Fulfilment of the Letter #
I have not come to do away, BUT TO FULFILL
And that Life as a man didn't sin/break any of the laws. If He would have sinner there wouldn't have been resurrection. That sounds like life from a Book....lLife from a BOOK# you sure your not a scribe?
If you don't like garbage of men why you keep typing?the only garbage spoken is from your continual ignorance WW and failure to read the MOST SIMPLES ~SO read again and let this wash over you#### I pray HEabove shows the most simple of Truths~Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
It's not about literal or spiritual. It's about a veil covering the mind and heart. It's not up to the Book or up to us. It's up to Christ. This Book is not written for everyone. But, it's most surely written for everyone on this board, or they wouldn't be here.
2 Corinthians 3:15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
Life is In the Living Molly # the book is the witness to the Unfolding Fire within~
But the Life IS in the book.
The holy apostles are teling us they missed it IN THE BOOK, before they ever missed Jesus in the flesh.
They missed Christ in the Old Testament because they were veiled.
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
But the Life IS in the book.
The holy apostles are teling us they missed it IN THE BOOK, before they ever missed Jesus in the flesh.
They missed Christ in the Old Testament because they were veiled.
yes Molly They read the Black and white## failing to SEE WHO THE LIFE IS### listen Molly when your on ya death bed## try eating those pages of scripture and se if they give you LIFE### Tis all Im saying### LIFE is In the word BEING HIMPeriod
Christ said You are of YOUR FATHER, a Liar and murderer from the beginning# there mind Blinded by witchcraft caaused by the serpent[ carnal mind= veil}
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
But the Life IS in the book.
The holy apostles are teling us they missed it IN THE BOOK, before they ever missed Jesus in the flesh.
They missed Christ in the Old Testament because they were veiled.
yes Molly They read the Black and white## failing to SEE WHO THE LIFE IS### listen Molly when your on ya death bed## try eating those pages of scripture and se if they give you LIFE### Tis all Im saying### LIFE is In the word BEING HIMPeriod
Christ said You are of YOUR FATHER, a Liar and murderer from the beginning# there mind Blinded by witchcraft caaused by the serpent[ carnal mind= veil}
We've all heard stories of people in foreign prisons getting hold of pieces of scripture and the words did give them life.
The words gave me life in a hotel room in LA.
I don't think I"m really disagreeing with you but...
DO NOT underestimate the power of God's word, when it falls into the hands of those to whom it was written.
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Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
But the Life IS in the book.
The holy apostles are teling us they missed it IN THE BOOK, before they ever missed Jesus in the flesh.
They missed Christ in the Old Testament because they were veiled.
yes Molly They read the Black and white## failing to SEE WHO THE LIFE IS### listen Molly when your on ya death bed## try eating those pages of scripture and se if they give you LIFE### Tis all Im saying### LIFE is In the word BEING HIMPeriod
Christ said You are of YOUR FATHER, a Liar and murderer from the beginning# there mind Blinded by witchcraft caaused by the serpent[ carnal mind= veil}
We've all heard stories of people in foreign prisons getting hold of pieces of scripture and the words did give them life.
The words gave me life in a hotel room in LA.
I don't think I"m really disagreeing with you but...
DO NOT underestimate the power of God's word, when it falls into the hands of those to whom it was written.
yes Molly its tutor who teaches us OF him and the Life who is~ No ones throwing the baby out the water~
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
But the Life IS in the book.
The holy apostles are teling us they missed it IN THE BOOK, before they ever missed Jesus in the flesh.
They missed Christ in the Old Testament because they were veiled.
yes Molly They read the Black and white## failing to SEE WHO THE LIFE IS### listen Molly when your on ya death bed## try eating those pages of scripture and se if they give you LIFE### Tis all Im saying### LIFE is In the word BEING HIMPeriod
Christ said You are of YOUR FATHER, a Liar and murderer from the beginning# there mind Blinded by witchcraft caaused by the serpent[ carnal mind= veil}
We've all heard stories of people in foreign prisons getting hold of pieces of scripture and the words did give them life.
The words gave me life in a hotel room in LA.
I don't think I"m really disagreeing with you but...
DO NOT underestimate the power of God's word, when it falls into the hands of those to whom it was written.
yes Molly its tutor who teaches us OF him and the Life who is~ No ones throwing the baby out the water~
The words I have spoken to you are spirit and
they are life. John 6:63
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
But the Life IS in the book.
The holy apostles are teling us they missed it IN THE BOOK, before they ever missed Jesus in the flesh.
They missed Christ in the Old Testament because they were veiled.
yes Molly They read the Black and white## failing to SEE WHO THE LIFE IS### listen Molly when your on ya death bed## try eating those pages of scripture and se if they give you LIFE### Tis all Im saying### LIFE is In the word BEING HIMPeriod
Christ said You are of YOUR FATHER, a Liar and murderer from the beginning# there mind Blinded by witchcraft caaused by the serpent[ carnal mind= veil}
We've all heard stories of people in foreign prisons getting hold of pieces of scripture and the words did give them life.
The words gave me life in a hotel room in LA.
I don't think I"m really disagreeing with you but...
DO NOT underestimate the power of God's word, when it falls into the hands of those to whom it was written.
yes Molly its tutor who teaches us OF him and the Life who is~ No ones throwing the baby out the water~
The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. John 6:63
HIS VERY BREATH IS LIFE Molly# HE was Teaching the Disciples of the TRUE LIFE HE IS~For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. ~ THE ASCENDED CHRIST WHOWE FEED OFF# his spirit BEING LIFE~
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
And that is (and was) my whole point. The Bible IS life. It'd Word of God. It's the message of God. The message of God kills/is death?
It's just that people were/are unable to see that life in the Bible because of the veil.
The fact that Jesus/HS has to remove that veil doesn't mean the Book didn't contain life because people didn't see it, abused it, ignored it, etc.
So the Book contains life. But it's the veil that stops people finding, taking, recieving, etc that life.
So who/what is to blame?
Not the (message) in the book.
I think not even the person.
It's the veil.
whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth.This part of the verse doesn't say the OT isn't the truth. It says the truth is veiled.
That's a huge difference!
:2c:
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
And that is (and was) my whole point. The Bible IS life. It'd Word of God. It's the message of God. The message of God kills/is death?
It's just that people were/are unable to see that life in the Bible because of the veil.
The fact that Jesus/HS has to remove that veil doesn't mean the Book didn't contain life because people didn't see it, abused it, ignored it, etc.
So the Book contains life. But it's the veil that stops people finding, taking, recieving, etc that life.
So who/what is to blame?
Not the (message) in the book.
I think not even the person.
It's the veil.
whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth.
This part of the verse doesn't say the OT isn't the truth. It says the truth is veiled.
That's a huge difference!
:2c:
The Testimony witness is the LIFE ~ The blind cannot see~ the jews are testimony to the carnal Mind birthed in the Garden, they bear witness to the eartly man or natural as in ,First the natural and the spiriual##its why we this in Type written in Revelation as Old Jerusalem is again a TYPE of Sodom and Egypt being likened to Babylon~~The carnal Mind## the pattern never changes ~ The written bears testimony to the LIFE who is,if one can see# even so. we do not LIVE off the book# Tis all Ive been stating~
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
And that is (and was) my whole point. The Bible IS life. It'd Word of God. It's the message of God. The message of God kills/is death?
It's just that people were/are unable to see that life in the Bible because of the veil.
The fact that Jesus/HS has to remove that veil doesn't mean the Book didn't contain life because people didn't see it, abused it, ignored it, etc.
So the Book contains life. But it's the veil that stops people finding, taking, recieving, etc that life.
So who/what is to blame?
Not the (message) in the book.
I think not even the person.
It's the veil.
whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth.
This part of the verse doesn't say the OT isn't the truth. It says the truth is veiled.
That's a huge difference!
:2c:
Agree. He is saying the words are life. That means if you are not veiled, the very words themselves can quicken you, that is, give you LIFE.
There's a reason he is called the Word of life-- He whose very words impart life!
We evangelize to you that which was from the beginning, that which we have heard and we have seen, that which we have perceived with our eyes and we have touched with our hands- him who is The Word of Life. 1 John 1:1
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Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
And that is (and was) my whole point. The Bible IS life. It'd Word of God. It's the message of God. The message of God kills/is death?
It's just that people were/are unable to see that life in the Bible because of the veil.
The fact that Jesus/HS has to remove that veil doesn't mean the Book didn't contain life because people didn't see it, abused it, ignored it, etc.
So the Book contains life. But it's the veil that stops people finding, taking, recieving, etc that life.
So who/what is to blame?
Not the (message) in the book.
I think not even the person.
It's the veil.
whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth.
This part of the verse doesn't say the OT isn't the truth. It says the truth is veiled.
That's a huge difference!
:2c:
Agree. He is saying the words are life. That means if you are not veiled, the very words themselves can quicken you, that is, give you LIFE.
There's a reason he is called the Word of life-- He whose very words impart life!
We evangelize to you that which was from the beginning, that which we have heard and we have seen, that which we have perceived with our eyes and we have touched with our hands- him who is The Word of Life. 1 John 1:1
I think it's isn't by pure chance a Bible contains words and one of the names/titles of Jesus is The Word. Jews even believe that the first thing created was the alphabet. I think that's not such weird thought if we read the creation account. Everything is spoken (=words/letters) into existance. "And God said let there be ...."
In Revelation a Book of Life is mentioned. I think that's Jesus. Maybe even teh Bible itself is that Book of Life.
No... I'm not claiming Jesus is a book made in a factory.
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
--2 Cor 3:14
And that is (and was) my whole point. The Bible IS life. It'd Word of God. It's the message of God. The message of God kills/is death?
It's just that people were/are unable to see that life in the Bible because of the veil.
The fact that Jesus/HS has to remove that veil doesn't mean the Book didn't contain life because people didn't see it, abused it, ignored it, etc.
So the Book contains life. But it's the veil that stops people finding, taking, recieving, etc that life.
So who/what is to blame?
Not the (message) in the book.
I think not even the person.
It's the veil.
whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth.
This part of the verse doesn't say the OT isn't the truth. It says the truth is veiled.
That's a huge difference!
:2c:
Agree. He is saying the words are life. That means if you are not veiled, the very words themselves can quicken you, that is, give you LIFE.
There's a reason he is called the Word of life-- He whose very words impart life!
We evangelize to you that which was from the beginning, that which we have heard and we have seen, that which we have perceived with our eyes and we have touched with our hands- him who is The Word of Life. 1 John 1:1
I think it's isn't by pure chance a Bible contains words and one of the names/titles of Jesus is The Word. Jews even believe that the first thing created was the alphabet. I think that's not such weird thought if we read the creation account. Everything is spoken (=words/letters) into existance. "And God said let there be ...."
In Revelation a Book of Life is mentioned. I think that's Jesus. Maybe even teh Bible itself is that Book of Life.
No... I'm not claiming Jesus is a book made in a factory.
He calls himself the Alpha and the Omega--the first and last letters of the alphabet [and everything in between]
What did Adam have that no other animal possessed? High level language involving words.
God gave man language so that He could talk to him.
We are even told that our own words can impart life and death [we are made in his image].
His title is the Word of God.
QuoteIn Revelation a Book of Life is mentioned. I think that's Jesus. Maybe even teh Bible itself is that Book of Life.
How AbOUT this Book is symbolic~ One may come to find this book is likened to the Tree of life, the kingdom within, Paradise, New Jerusalem. The NC~ all which takeS part within , being HIM , the LIFE IN US being ONE IN HIMi,IN Soul and Spirit making one body~Happy Digging WW~
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QuoteIn Revelation a Book of Life is mentioned. I think that's Jesus. Maybe even teh Bible itself is that Book of Life.
How AOUT this Book is symbolic~ One may come to find this book is likened to the Tree of life, the kingdom within, Paradise, New Jerusalem~ all which take part within , being HIM , the LIFE IN US being ONE IN HIMi,IN Soul and Spirit making one body~Happy Digging WW~
I don't think it's symbolic. I think it's real food. Spiritual food. To grow the increasing Spirit within--that child you were speaking of on another thread.
The OT manna only lasted one day because they were veiled. No child could be conceived, developed, or birthed.
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." [John 6:58]
John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 06:59:48 PM
QuoteIn Revelation a Book of Life is mentioned. I think that's Jesus. Maybe even teh Bible itself is that Book of Life.
How AOUT this Book is symbolic~ One may come to find this book is likened to the Tree of life, the kingdom within, Paradise, New Jerusalem~ all which take part within , being HIM , the LIFE IN US being ONE IN HIMi,IN Soul and Spirit making one body~Happy Digging WW~
I don't think it's symbolic. I think it's real food. Spiritual food. To grow the increasing Spirit within--that child you were speaking of on another thread.
The OT manna only lasted one day because they were veiled. No child could be conceived, developed, or birthed.
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." [John 6:58]
John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
Asymbol doeesnt neagte a Reality its Purely a Symbol1.A thing that represents or stands for something else~ so yes one could add to the other types and symbols# the HOly of Holies, The Living Manna, the Crown of Life, a NEW NAME, a White Pebbleetc
HE IS all the above mentioned# the Resurrection to life within us## for we are ONE#
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 26, 2011, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 02:40:11 AM
Can you LIVE off the Written word
Yes.
Quotebeing the BLACK AND WHITE ?#
It isn't in black and white.
Quotedoes this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?
It CAN give life eternal. But all but one failed.
f you can LIVE off the wrritten word? How long for? I know multitutes who read the Written word , or have read it, and dont believe it~we LIVE BY EVERY BREATH OF HIS WORD[ BREATH]for HIS WORD[ iIS spirit= Life in us~]
open the book WW the white is the paper, the Ink is mainly Black~ :thumbsup:
It CAN give life eternal.
HOW CAN I put this in Welsh ~ Utter complete Garbage WW~ :thumbdown:
Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Jhn 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye
think ye have eternal life: and they are
they which testify of me. John 5:39
YOU search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those Scriptures that yield testimony concerning me;
IT IS BECAUSE HIS WORD IS SEALED UP...and no 'man' is worthy to unseal it. Revelations of Christ ch 5 the Scroll and the Lamb
DO NOT WEEP,See THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ,THE ROOT OF DAVID,HAS TRIUMPHED.HE IS ABLE TO OPEN THE SCROLL
AND IT'S SEVEN SEALS.
IT TAKES CHRIST TO OPEN IT 'ANNOINTING' SPIRIT[HOLY] IT TAKES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DECLARE TO YOU ALL THINGS PERTAINING
TO CHRIST AND THE FATHER.THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCROLL.
I COULD HAVE LIVED A THOUSAND YEARS TWICE OVER,READING AND STUDYING,AND STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING. I TRIED ALL MANNER
OF RELIGIOUS PERSUASIONS SEEKING HIM/UNDERSTANDING,TOO. T RAISED MY VOICE TO HEAVEN,WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOUR PEOPLE
I CONSIDERED PUTTING ADD IN NEWSPAPER,'SEEKING LIVING BREATHING BODY OF CHRIST'
[TELL ME,YOU WHOM MY HEART LOVES,WHERE YOU REST YOUR SHEEP AT MID-DAY[HIGHEST LIGHT] SOS.
SHEILA
QuoteIT IS BECAUSE HIS WORD IS SEALED UP...and no 'man' is worthy to unseal it. Revelations of Christ ch 5 the Scroll and the Lamb
DO NOT WEEP,See THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ,THE ROOT OF DAVID,HAS TRIUMPHED.HE IS ABLE TO OPEN THE SCROLL
AND IT'S SEVEN SEALS.
IT TAKES CHRIST TO OPEN IT 'ANNOINTING' SPIRIT[HOLY] IT TAKES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DECLARE TO YOU ALL THINGS PERTAINING
TO CHRIST AND THE FATHER.THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCROLL.
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This looks to me like good common ground sheila. you've said it well. :thumbsup:
None of God's Words are dead, but we can perceive/experience the Word as dead, if WE are dead/carnal/are not quickened by the Spirit. if we are re-birthed and quickened by the Spirit, walking in the Spirit vs. approaching carnally, then the Word (written/spoken/revealed) becomes Life in us. that's about the best i can personally see it right now.
it is sharper than a 2 edged sword, cutting asunder. it is forever settled in the heavens.
selah
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This looks to me like good common ground sheila. you've said it well. :thumbsup:
we can perceive/experience the Word as dead, if WE are dead/carnal/are not quickened by the Spirit. then the Word (written/spoken/revealed) becomes Life in us.
it is sharper than a 2 edged sword, cutting asunder. it is forever settled in the heavens.
selah
James# I believe the word is HIM, the very MIND in US who is LIFE# its veil being removed By HIM enabling us to be ONE~ which relates to why HE spoke in the Figurative, the Language above, Not the Earthly realm of The serpent # , what some of US call the SPIRITUAL Realm being the Heavenlies, ~The written WORD then raises from the Black and WHITE# for me this all goes hand in Hand~
the realm of the serpent is purely for the carnal minded# those from Beneath~hence again in pattern we Move from Death to LIFE~
I'm much in agreement with that Taf, I just don't believe He separates Himself from any of What/Who His Is, or What He says - either by written, spoken, or thought. As Tony said earlier, I believe it has to do with the veil, and His choice to lift or not.
For instance, speaking of [most of] those of the Jews [those that do not recognize the Messiah], Paul said "to this very day when they read the Law and prophets a veil remains".
(i will be out for awhile :)
Quote from: jabcat on October 26, 2011, 09:21:42 PM
I'm much in agreement with that Taf, I just don't believe He separates Himself from any of What/Who His Is, or What He says - either by written, spoken, or thought. As Tony said earlier, I believe it has to do with the veil, and His choice to lift or not.
Speaking of [most of] those of the Jews, Paul said "to this very day when they read the Law and prophets a veil remains".
If one was to read r what I wrote especially the scripture bearing TESTIMONY to the LIFE who is## i never said differently James# what I was implying was there No SPIRIT life In the book~ the book can not sustain US# I dare say that was the breakdown# when Tony stated you can Have eternal LIFE in the book# can be taken as LIFE itself~
FATHER--->WORD(christ)--->WORD(written)
The Living word proceeds from the Father, the written/spoken word proceeds from the Son
The purpose of the written/spoken word is to bring us to (one with)Christ, The purpose of (being one with)Christ is to bring us to the Father
FATHER<---CHRIST<---WRITTEN
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the
word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhemaRhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or
"thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 09:25:37 PMI dare say that was the breakdown# when Tony stated you can Have eternal LIFE in the book# can be taken as LIFE itself~
You are a real daredevil...
You really assumed I was suggeting eating the Bible as dinner or something similar? :dontknow:
I'm terror in the kitchen but that bad... :mshock:
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So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
I think that is so in every form we can think of.
Voice/sound.
Inpiration/Vision.
But also written verses.
:2c:
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
just MAYBE THEY ARE SYNONOMOUS Molly as they are used Interchangably~ :icon_flower:
14) The flesh of Christ therefore quickens us, because he that is man is God: and this mystery is only comprehended by faith, which is the gift of God, found only in the elect.
(x) Spirit, that is, that power which flows from the Godhead causes the flesh of Christ (which is otherwise nothing but flesh) both to live in itself and to give life to us
--Geneva Study Bible
The Bible as the word of God in the unveiled Christ = his flesh
I am that bread of life.
49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
--John 6
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So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
I think that is so in every form we can think of.
Voice/sound.
Inpiration/Vision.
But also written verses.
:2c:
Maybe, but in the context of this scripture it is very specifically referring to the Bible.
They are not hearing any words that are not in our Bible.
Steps 1) hearing the word of God 2) faith
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 11:38:33 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: Taffy on October 26, 2011, 11:13:09 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
just MAYBE THEY ARE SYNONOMOUS Molly as they are used Interchangably~ :icon_flower:
I'm trying to say they are synonomous. His words are Holy and true. You can't separate him from his word.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. [John 15:7]
Matthew 26:75 And Peter remembered the word (Strong's # 4487 – rhema) of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the **** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mark 14:72 And Peter called to mind the word (4487- rhema) that Jesus said unto him, Before the **** crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luke 22:61 And Peter remembered the word (Strong's # 3056 – logos) of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the **** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
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So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
just MAYBE THEY ARE SYNONOMOUS Molly as they are used Interchangably~ :icon_flower:
I'm trying to say they are synonomous. His words are Holy and true. You can't separate him from his word.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. [John 15:7]
:icon_flower: The word HE spoke are LIFE and Spirit always## Blessings~
Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
OT: He's coming, he's coming, he's coming!
NT: He's here!
Jews: No he's not.
The question really is--How did the Jews miss him?
And, Jesus, even though he knows they have been blinded on purpose, is still angry with them. Why?
I understand how they misse dhim back then, but I don't understand how they miss him now.
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God.
Take and eat this scroll,
'tasted sweet but bitter to the belly
People's New Testament
Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth. We may paraphrase this verse thus: I shall ascend to heaven so that my body cannot be literally eaten; the flesh literally profits nothing. It is the spirit that makes alive. The spirits of men must feed upon me by faith, that they may be made alive. My words are spirit and life. He who feeds upon them will be made alive.
Quote from: Molly on October 27, 2011, 02:11:14 AM
People's New Testament
Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth. We may paraphrase this verse thus: I shall ascend to heaven so that my body cannot be literally eaten; the flesh literally profits nothing. It is the spirit that makes alive. The spirits of men must feed upon me by faith, that they may be made alive. My words are spirit and life. He who feeds upon them will be made alive.
Good Version~
I've been away, and while I was driving, an interesting thought came to me that folks may have some input on;
it's regarding the veil, with the thought that the "problem" is in us, not ANY of God's Words to us, however they're given. An illustration; Jesus stood amongst the Jews, in person. The Word made flesh. Still most had no idea who He was nor benefitted from being in His presence. Was Jesus "dead"? Or were they veiled?
Good soil, rocky soil.
Another thought; it could be the letter kills, not because it's dead or "worthless", but because without the recipient being allowed to receive it effectually [BY THE SPIRIT], then it does indeed cut asunder - and Jesus isn't indwelling, to pick up the pieces and "make something of them". The carnal mind cannot understand the things of God. (I Cor. 2:14)
Back to the "soil". If one is veiled, cannot see Jesus, have not been reborn of the Spirit, then again, maybe they can perceive and experience it as "dead". When in fact, they're the ones that are dead (and such were we all, dead in our trespasses and sins). Just as in the example above with the Jews in Jesus' direct presence. Only when our eyes are opened and it's "our time" to receive - anything of God - does He make Himself known to any of us.
P.S. sometimes i think many of us are saying pieces of the same thing, with just some subtle differences from our own unique perspectives, and the problem can be communicating it and understanding it clearly. :2c:
Quoteit's regarding the veil, with the thought that the "problem" is in us, not ANY of God's Words to us, however they're given. An illustration; Jesus stood amongst the Jews, in person. The Word made flesh. Still most had no idea who He was nor benefitted from being in His presence. Was Jesus "dead"? Or were they veiled?
James I so DESIRE the LORD to unveil to all the Garden experience come the figurative and all this would become CLEAR~ :HeartThrob:
I hear ya, and it's a good desire. And one day we will know as we are known.
I was already looking this up before your post, and I'll go ahead and post it. It's a good reminder for me - always!
14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. I Cor. 12
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I hear ya, and it's a good desire. And one day we will know as we are known.
I was already looking this up before your post, and I'll go ahead and post it. It's a good reminder for me - always!
14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. I Cor. 12
:dsunny:
:HeartThrob:
By the new and living way which he made open for us through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [Heb 10:20]
"Through the veil (διὰ τοῦ καταπετάσματος)
The veil of the holy of holies is rent. Christ's work does not stop short of the believer's complete access to God himself.
That is to say his flesh (τοῦτ' ἔστιν τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ)
Const. with veil: the veil which consisted in his flesh. His flesh was the state through which he had to pass before he entered heaven for us. See Hebrews 2:9-18; Hebrews 5:7-9; Hebrews 10:5. When he put off that state, the veil of the temple was rent. He passed through humanity to glory as the forerunner of his people, Hebrews 6:20. "
Wesley's notes
10:20 By a living way - The way of faith, whereby we live indeed. Which he hath consecrated - Prepared, dedicated, and established for us. Through the veil, that is, his flesh - As by rending the veil in the temple, the holy of holies became visible and accessible; so by wounding the body of Christ, the God of heaven was manifested, and the way to heaven opened.
Quote from: Molly on October 27, 2011, 03:25:29 AM
By the new and living way which he made open for us through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [Heb 10:20]
"Through the veil (διὰ τοῦ καταπετάσματος)
The veil of the holy of holies is rent. Christ's work does not stop short of the believer's complete access to God himself.
That is to say his flesh (τοῦτ' ἔστιν τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ)
Const. with veil: the veil which consisted in his flesh. His flesh was the state through which he had to pass before he entered heaven for us. See Hebrews 2:9-18; Hebrews 5:7-9; Hebrews 10:5. When he put off that state, the veil of the temple was rent. He passed through humanity to glory as the forerunner of his people, Hebrews 6:20. "
Wesley's notes
10:20 By a living way - The way of faith, whereby we live indeed. Which he hath consecrated - Prepared, dedicated, and established for us. Through the veil, that is, his flesh - As by rending the veil in the temple, the holy of holies became visible and accessible; so by wounding the body of Christ, the God of heaven was manifested, and the way to heaven opened.
- heres another reality## the flesh is the CARNAL mind ~ he became the FLESH for us= the serpent- , as Chrrist stated~ the FLESH profits Nothing[carnal mind\soul] hence why HE SAYS"WHEN im RAISED from the EARTH~I will DRAG[ DRAG OFF] THE FLESH= CARNAL MIND OF ALL MEN"~ again the pattern is Shown in MATH 23, where The LORD uses Sarcasm# In the GREEK= to TEAR AT= Flesh]
The LORD HAD HIS FLESH TORN from HIS body which Types the carnal mind Being TORN FROM US= the FLESH PROFITS NOTHING~
Shalom~
LETS PUT THIS SIMPLY~ THE FLESH= The carnal Mind is the VEIL~~~~ hence why the FLESH profits NOTHING## and paul SAYS~~You are SPIRIT not FLESH#
now all we need is the LORD to teach us the serpent is not some fictional entity#### and many more things will clear##Shalom#
just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of [God's word. [Eph 5:25,26]
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. [Lk 24:45]
Luke 24:32 They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"
"opened" [the Scriptures]
G1272
διανοίγω
dianoigō
dee-an-oy'-go
From G1223 and G455; to open thoroughly, literally (as a first born) or figuratively (to expound): - open.
Quote from: Molly on October 27, 2011, 03:42:07 AM
just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of [God's word. [Eph 5:25,26]
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. [Lk 24:45]
Luke 24:32 They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"
"opened" [the Scriptures]
G1272
διανοίγω
dianoigō
dee-an-oy'-go
From G1223 and G455; to open thoroughly, literally (as a first born) or figuratively (to expound): - open.
the opening is the raelity ABOVE~ its why the LORD SPOKE FIGURATIVLY IN public## as he is NOT of the death[ serpent\Earthy realm] we are to Move from The beneath , Hades unto LIFE perceiving twe LIFE hidden often In HIS WORD~ sHALOM#
17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
--Heb 6
Quote from: Molly on October 27, 2011, 03:53:31 AM
17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
--Heb 6
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So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
I think that is so in every form we can think of.
Voice/sound.
Inpiration/Vision.
But also written verses.
:2c:
Maybe, but in the context of this scripture it is very specifically referring to the Bible.
They are not hearing any words that are not in our Bible.
Steps 1) hearing the word of God 2) faith
I wasn't meaing anything else. As an example several Bible translations are availble in audio format.
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Quote from: Molly on October 26, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]
[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~ HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~
Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.
rhema
Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.
My words....are life.
I think that is so in every form we can think of.
Voice/sound.
Inpiration/Vision.
But also written verses.
:2c:
Maybe, but in the context of this scripture it is very specifically referring to the Bible.
They are not hearing any words that are not in our Bible.
Steps 1) hearing the word of God 2) faith
I wasn't meaing anything else. As an example several Bible translations are availble in audio format.
Yeah, although I think a better translation might be the implied meaning of the Greek word for 'hearing' which is 'understanding.'
So faith comes from understanding, and understanding from [reading] the [spoken words] of God.
Although I don't see any translations that specifically say that, these are closer to it.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Therefore faith is from the hearing ear, and the hearing ear is from the word of God.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
So faith comes from hearing the message, and the message that is heard is what Christ spoke.
Weymouth New Testament
And this proves that faith comes from a Message heard, and that the Message comes through its having been spoken by Christ.
Quote from: Molly on October 27, 2011, 02:11:14 AM
People's New Testament
Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth. We may paraphrase this verse thus: I shall ascend to heaven so that my body cannot be literally eaten; the flesh literally profits nothing. It is the spirit that makes alive. The spirits of men must feed upon me by faith, that they may be made alive. My words are spirit and life. He who feeds upon them will be made alive.
Don't know if I'm taking things off topic here, but I'd like to ask this question while the opportunity is ripe for discussion. The question is if flesh profiteth nothing, then why does Jesus tell us to eat his flesh and drink his blood?
Quote from: thinktank on October 27, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Molly on October 27, 2011, 02:11:14 AM
People's New Testament
Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth. We may paraphrase this verse thus: I shall ascend to heaven so that my body cannot be literally eaten; the flesh literally profits nothing. It is the spirit that makes alive. The spirits of men must feed upon me by faith, that they may be made alive. My words are spirit and life. He who feeds upon them will be made alive.
Don't know if I'm taking things off topic here, but I'd like to ask this question while the opportunity is ripe for discussion. The question is if flesh profiteth nothing, then why does Jesus tell us to eat his flesh and drink his blood?
again we need to Divide~ After the earthy Man , Flesh is the carnal Mind , the enmity and Death, This is the Flesh[ carnal mind] which profits NOTHING~~ The pattern of eating HIS FLESH and drinking His Blood, IS LIFE~ we no longer eat broken pieces of Literal Bread and Drink Wine~ as HE is the ascendedChrist, the Spirit who Feeds US THE LIFE HE IS~
Shalom~